Warhammer Quest: Cursed City is coming back! The immersive co-op dungeon crawler set in the Age of Sigmar was first released in 2021 and returned earlier this year as a Made to Order product. It will return to store shelves for good this October, and in celebration we bring news of an expansion.
Warhammer Quest: Cursed City – Nightwars picks up where Cursed City left off, continuing the narrative with new journeys, powerful upgrades, and new rules for horrific enemies that a valiant adventuring party can fight during the Curse of Night Unending.
In the darkness suffocating Ulfenkarn, one guttering beacon of light stands alone – a survivor’s enclave, named Haven. What’s more, three vampiric lords have arrived in the Cursed City with plans for the throne of the Ebon Citadel – abandoned after a certain bestial vampire was sent packing with his tail between his legs.
To flush these new vampires out, your heroes must undertake new Journeys exclusive to Nightwars. Wipe out Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade’s vampiric taint from Ulfenkarn, disable Carmilla DuSang’s information networks, and raze the vermin-infested territory of Kritza, the Rat Prince. Then, face off against each one in a climactic and bloody Decapitation.
As they gain experience, your heroes will be able to unlock elite classes with new abilities. They’ll need all the help they can get to take down all three bloodsuckers and the monstrous creatures that still stalk the streets of Ulfenkarn.
Haven is rife with rumours that Radukar himself is among these creatures, having adopted a hideous new form…
This expansion contains no miniatures, so you can acquire each of the three vampires in turn as you head out on your quest to hunt them down one by one. You’ll need a set of Fell Bats and Radukar the Beast to start immediately. If you’ve already got a Soulblight Gravelords collection, this expansion unlocks a heap of new narrative opportunities.
EDIT: "This expansion contains no miniatures", so you'll need to buy the models separately...
My guess it, it initially was planned to include the vampires but then that fiasco happened. And if it would include them, people would complain to buy those twice
Definitely an odd one but if it would just be using the existing (or since re-purposed) Soulblight models anyway then I actually prefer this method of release.
The Crimson Court models could easily be used for this expansion. Practially four Vampire Lords + Underworld decks for £26, while the models intended for this expansion will be £61...
But then it still depends on how much GW is asking for Nightwars; Heroquest: Return of the Witchlord is £25 and is the same content plus models...
I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option.
Maybe it's more expensive getting everything separately but at least this way the people that want just the rules will buy just the rules and the people that want just the models (or one model) don’t have to buy the whole expansion. And because of the delay some people have already bought 1 or 2 miniatures and they don't have to buy a big expansion box and end up with duplicate miniatures.
That being said... I expect the next expansion to have new miniatures. Hopefully some FEC
Original Timmy wrote: Wow, just Wow, thats £126(GW prices) worth of minis that would need to be brought separately on top of the no doubt over inflated Xpac price!
"Need" isn't necessarily the case though with this. I'm not suggesting it's anything altruistic on their part or an advocation of using alternative models but it's at least more directly viable than usual with their expansions for games like WH:Q.
straken619 wrote: I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option. Maybe it's more expensive getting everything separately but at least this way the people that want just the rules will buy just the rules and the people that want just the models (or one model) don’t have to buy the whole expansion. And because of the delay some people have already bought 1 or 2 miniatures and they don't have to buy a big expansion box and end up with duplicate miniatures.
That being said... I expect the next expansion to have new miniatures. Hopefully some FEC
I agree completely. This damage control so people don't have to buy duplicates. Imagine the outrage in that case.
Another expansion with no new heroes, "bad guys expansions" are boring, now with no new miniature there're even less incentive to buy. As before most people buy those expansion to collect the miniature more than actually playing the game of Warhammer Quest.
Chopstick wrote: Another expansion with no new heroes, "bad guys expansions" are boring
Your reasoning seems a bit odd here - how is an expansion that gives you multiple new chapters to play with the existing... 9 (I think) heroes any worse than giving you a few new heroes to play the existing content with?
I do agree that not including any new models is bad, but I don't get how additional content to play with existing characters - especially if there is material to enhance those characters with, which was mentioned - can be described as "boring".
straken619 wrote: I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option.
Maybe it's more expensive getting everything separately but at least this way the people that want just the rules will buy just the rules and the people that want just the models (or one model) don’t have to buy the whole expansion. And because of the delay some people have already bought 1 or 2 miniatures and they don't have to buy a big expansion box and end up with duplicate miniatures.
That being said... I expect the next expansion to have new miniatures. Hopefully some FEC
I agree completely. This damage control so people don't have to buy duplicates. Imagine the outrage in that case.
GW didn't care about that with Blackstone Fortress and the Plague Marines you could pick up for cents on ebay otherwise.
Not going to buy this, and for the record I think not including models is lame, but I like the box art and design style of this release quite a bit. Very stylish, and perfectly suiting the theme.
I mean, the only thing in defence I can think of is not being A Competitive Game, but one best played with friends? Nowt wrong with just using cardboard counters or similar to represent the Big Nasties.
Still a poor excuse for including no models at all.
So the expansion doesn't include the very models that were obviously designed to be part of it? Here's some more cardboard for our mediocre rules! Go pay outrageous individual hero prices for the components that were the sole justification of the box's existence.
Well, this is gonna flop. If it came with the relevant miniatures you've gotta think for an expansion it'd be in the £40-50 region (or £50-60 in 2022 hyperinflation hell) but yeah, they haven't thought through the cost of buying all those miniatures at individual hero blister prices.
I do so love that the article mentions that "all you need" to get started is an AUD$84 character box and a AUD$84 unit box (couldn't possibly just use the bats from the core box, now could we?).
I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.
Togusa wrote: Excellent! This was starting to make me nervous thinking it's never coming. And I already have all of the miniatures for my Soulblight Force!
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Jesus tap-dancing Christ you all would complain about a free lunch. Damned if they did, damned if they didn't I guess.
No way dude. In a post that might some thinking if the real Mad Doc Grotsnik has been gimpnapped?
This is a poor showing.
Am I chuffed we get an expansion? Absolutely.
Am I very disappointed it’s pretty half arsed and comes with bugger all models? Absolutely I am. They could at least have split the difference and included a couple of them. But no.
All you need to start the lunch is the Citadel BattlePlate, and the Citadel Combat Cutlery.
Just to prove I am Mad Doc Grotsnik (I AM HIM!), I’d still buy the Citadel BattlePlate and Citadel Combat Cutlery. Because I freely admit I’m a slag for it.
Still disappointed in this set though. Well. Is it even a set?
Clearly there was no way GW could have won with this release. Put the minis in and have people complain about having to rebuy the same minis they already own, or not put them in and have people complain about having to buy them piecemeal.
Or, I suppose, commission new vampire sculpts and delay this expansion for another 2 years.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I do so love that the article mentions that "all you need" to get started is an AUD$84 character box and a AUD$84 unit box (couldn't possibly just use the bats from the core box, now could we?).
I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.
I mean that is just facts. Clearly these were part of the original release from the beginning.
lord_blackfang wrote: Clearly there was no way GW could have won with this release. Put the minis in and have people complain about having to rebuy the same minis they already own, or not put them in and have people complain about having to buy them piecemeal.
Or, I suppose, commission new vampire sculpts and delay this expansion for another 2 years.
Not such a binary situation.
Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.
It's no secret things did not go as planned with the release of Cursed City. I believe they are just trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
They probably made the rules for this expansion like 3-4 years ago and it is the first out of 4 or 5. They just have to get this out of the way in order to advance the story and release the next ones.
At least that's what I hope because I like the setting of Cursed City and I want to see more miniatures in that.
To play this expansion you need the following minis:
Lady Annika £21
Kritza £21
Radukar the beast £32.50
Vampire Lord £19
Fell bats £32.50
So that's £126 on minis plus the cost of the expansion.
Which makes this expansion more expensive than the core game?
Seems a bit odd.
The Blackstone Fortess expansions were really well thought out, but this one looks a bit like they didn't think this through.
Not really. What you need to play this are 4 character models (size to match whatever description is provided) and some bats. There happen to be some models produced by GW that you could use, if you want to spent quite a lot of money. There are no shortage of vampire type models and bats at all price points.
I didn't follow the CC debacle in detail, but it looks like it has led to an opportunity for those who enjoy the game. Depending of course on how much they charge for just the cardboard.
Somewhere in a parallel universe, GW released the expansion with the models and did a Made To Order run of it without models for the people who already got gouged on the plastic.
To play this expansion you need the following minis:
Lady Annika £21
Kritza £21
Radukar the beast £32.50
Vampire Lord £19
Fell bats £32.50
So that's £126 on minis plus the cost of the expansion.
Which makes this expansion more expensive than the core game?
Seems a bit odd.
The Blackstone Fortess expansions were really well thought out, but this one looks a bit like they didn't think this through.
Not really. What you need to play this are 4 character models (size to match whatever description is provided) and some bats. There happen to be some models produced by GW that you could use, if you want to spent quite a lot of money. There are no shortage of vampire type models and bats at all price points.
I didn't follow the CC debacle in detail, but it looks like it has led to an opportunity for those who enjoy the game. Depending of course on how much they charge for just the cardboard.
Exactly that! I would sure love some new cool-looking models. But because of that has happened with Cursed City I now have the option to buy just the rules and not the models. And to be honest I really don't like the 3 Vampires but I do like my Crimson Court from Underworlds that I am gonna use to proxy them, if the cardboard box is not super expensive or anything. It's not how I am supposed to play the game but who cares.
Billicus wrote: In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.
Then don't buy it.
You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"
Or just bundled the models together. I don’t mind the approach, just the cost - it’s essentially a £150 expansion to a £120 game if you actually want the minis.
It may also be that they want to see what the actual demand for more WHQ is. A box where there are no minis gives them the actual demand for the game itself. As opposed to people buying it for minis and then throwing out the cardboard.
Exactly. For the later Blackstone expansions, I picked up the cardboard only off E-bay so I could play the expansion if I wanted, but without the expense of more models, when I already have so many that I could use to play the game with.
I can understand the desire to want to see more new awesome plastic, but that doesn't make this a foolish method of release.
Billicus wrote: In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.
Then don't buy it.
You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"
Well yeah, because either option is bad for one group of people and this board has people from both groups in it.
Even if they had released a bundle of the minis at a massively reduced price, people who already had them would be complaining they’d overpaid for them. And that would be legitimate too.
The real issue here is GW pricing single, regular size minis at £30 in the first place.
Billicus wrote: In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.
Then don't buy it.
You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"
Well yeah, because either option is bad for one group of people and this board has people from both groups in it.
Even if they had released a bundle of the minis at a massively reduced price, people who already had them would be complaining they’d overpaid for them. And that would be legitimate too.
The real issue here is GW pricing single, regular size minis at £30 in the first place.
But this issue is entirely negated by GW releasing the cardboard without the model. You can use what you like then.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I do so love that the article mentions that "all you need" to get started is an AUD$84 character box and a AUD$84 unit box (couldn't possibly just use the bats from the core box, now could we?).
I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.
That's obviously exactly what happened. They even named the nameless Vampire Lord model. There is zero chance those models were not originally intended for this until they fethed the Cursed City launch. I just can't understand why they don't admit what happened and explain. Instead they maintain this ridiculous facade that this was "always the plan" and just look more painfully stupid every time they say it.
When Cursed City originally came out, I jumped in and planned to go all-in. Then, well, we know where things went. Since then, I've discovered Shadows of Brimstone which satisfies my dungeon-crawler itch quite nicely, and seeing this expansion for Cursed City requires also buying model packs which will put it, together, at a much higher price point, I'll pass.
This needs to fail, if this is a financial success, it send the message to GW that they can sell expansion for miniatures without the miniatures in the expansion, thus avoiding a discount price from being bundled together.
Chopstick wrote: Another expansion with no new heroes, "bad guys expansions" are boring
Your reasoning seems a bit odd here - how is an expansion that gives you multiple new chapters to play with the existing... 9 (I think) heroes any worse than giving you a few new heroes to play the existing content with?
I do agree that not including any new models is bad, but I don't get how additional content to play with existing characters - especially if there is material to enhance those characters with, which was mentioned - can be described as "boring".
The New Warhammer Quest 40k during its entire run has a single expansion with new heroes, the rest are "bad guys expansions", but come with exclusive miniatures, so many people bought it for the mini, not for the actual game itself, this New Warhammer Quest AoS seem to follow the same path, except there're no mini.
So what's the reason behind designers being so stingy on giving players new heroes to play with? Did the "competitive warhammer quest committee" decide against it? Did you know in these games the miniature you will be attached to and staring at for several hours is your hero miniature? While the "bad guys" are just different flavor of targets, you killed them, then you moved on to the next one, so in a shocking revelation having new heroes is actually much better than having a one off bad guys, and those things aren't even mutual exclusive, you can have an expansion that including both. And you might actually bring in more people into the game if they didn't like any of the heroes from the main box.
Billicus wrote: In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.
Then don't buy it.
You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"
I'm not planning to, why are you going on like this?
I'm surprised they aren't at least doing a store bundle for this.
Then again perhaps its a field test to see if people actually want the cardstock in the first place or if GW can avoid the whole fiasco of cards because people just want the sets for the models alone.
Even if they can't rebox things or adjust production you'd have thought they've had come up with the idea of an optional bundle approach. Throw a bit of discount on the bundle and offer up the characters and the cardstock in one easy buy bundle that they market alongside "hey you can get the cards on their own if you've already bought your soulblight characters for your army".
In a way I feel like this is one of those situations where how they deliver the information and package it up has a massive impact on how people interpret things.
I would wager this is perhaps 2 expansions worth of individual content in one based on the model prices outside of the set.
GW were incompetent before and that forced them to be incompetent now. Plus, if they quit being incompetent someone, somewhere would have complained too, and you know they're so very sensitive to that sort of thing. It was a real lose, lose situation.
There are people in religious cults who would look at GW fans and be like, "Come on now, have some expectations. You're only harming them in the long run giving every failure an A+."
straken619 wrote: I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option.
I feel there is some big problem with expansions still and GW basically had to do filler (much like DG trio for BSF) 'expansion' (to not lose slot at the printer/pay penalty fees maybe?). This clearly wasn't planned from the start and just exists to plug the gap between game and first 'real' expansion so people don't lose interest.
Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.
Card printy bits need to be made regardless.
That would be two SKUs, two different boxes needing to be made and shipped, complains from customers who bought 'wrong' one by mistake, and a huge risk one option would tank the other leaving it completely unsold. Why bother when people can just buy the models or use whatever extra Vampire lords they have on hand and skip on all the headache?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.
Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GWnever does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...
Irbis wrote: Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GWnever does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...
That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.
This will bite GW as many will buy expansion but use alternate, cheaper models, or just use existing models from their collection. Or people will just hard pass, period.
No way I will be buying the models separately, and the lack of models in the expansion will likely make me ignore it.
It really depends. GW might think that only Soulblight players would have bought the expansions so those people will already have those models or a need for them.
It might also be internal sabatage toward the quest game by bundling it like this and thus discouraging casual play of the game by not including models.
It's a strange choice, but Cursed City has been, well, Cursed since its launch. Still fantastic models, still a neat game and I greatly enjoyed the greater unity of models to the core game.
I hope Quest continues as I think its a neat way to give us a little more flavour on the side in a different way to Warcry or Underworlds.
Billicus wrote: In this scenario the "free lunch" would just be a plate and you're expected to provide the food.
Then don't buy it.
You all know if this was reversed, the thread would be filled with "Oh thanks GW! I already own these models, now I have to buy them again! Screw you capitalist pig-dogs! GW so GREEDY!"
Well yeah, because either option is bad for one group of people and this board has people from both groups in it.
Even if they had released a bundle of the minis at a massively reduced price, people who already had them would be complaining they’d overpaid for them. And that would be legitimate too.
The real issue here is GW pricing single, regular size minis at £30 in the first place.
But this issue is entirely negated by GW releasing the cardboard without the model. You can use what you like then.
Unless, y’know, you like your game minis to look like the characters on the cards and create a coherent thematic experience. Yes, I’ll probably get it and use The Crimson Court and some bats from Descent but it’s still frustrating. This isn’t a war game where people are happy to do “counts as” and one marine is essentially the same as another.
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Overread wrote: I'm surprised they aren't at least doing a store bundle for this.
Then again perhaps its a field test to see if people actually want the cardstock in the first place or if GW can avoid the whole fiasco of cards because people just want the sets for the models alone.
Even if they can't rebox things or adjust production you'd have thought they've had come up with the idea of an optional bundle approach. Throw a bit of discount on the bundle and offer up the characters and the cardstock in one easy buy bundle that they market alongside "hey you can get the cards on their own if you've already bought your soulblight characters for your army".
In a way I feel like this is one of those situations where how they deliver the information and package it up has a massive impact on how people interpret things.
I would wager this is perhaps 2 expansions worth of individual content in one based on the model prices outside of the set.
The problem is that even if you make this a £75 expansion, you’d need to be offering a 50% off bundle, which would cause problems in itself.
Voss wrote: The worst part of all this is when this (rightfully) flops, the GW conclusion will be that people just aren't interested in Warhammer Quest.
So glad (yes, sarcasm) they made this disaster worse.
It'll probably sell out because scalpers will be hoping they only produced limited quantities again.
Voss wrote: The worst part of all this is when this (rightfully) flops, the GW conclusion will be that people just aren't interested in Warhammer Quest.
So glad (yes, sarcasm) they made this disaster worse.
It'll probably sell out because scalpers will be hoping they only produced limited quantities again.
If scalpers can find oodles of people to resell cardboard to, I'll have to revise my opinion of humanity even further downwards.
And considering what I got to see adults fail at last year while helping out with the general public (including hard fails with toilets), I'm not sure I can deal with that.
straken619 wrote: I’m not sure if the "no models" part is what they originally planned or not but I believe after one year or so from the original release of Cursed City and these Vampire models it was the only option.
I feel there is some big problem with expansions still and GW basically had to do filler (much like DG trio for BSF) 'expansion' (to not lose slot at the printer/pay penalty fees maybe?). This clearly wasn't planned from the start and just exists to plug the gap between game and first 'real' expansion so people don't lose interest.
Sell one With Models and commensurate price. One without.
Card printy bits need to be made regardless.
That would be two SKUs, two different boxes needing to be made and shipped, complains from customers who bought 'wrong' one by mistake, and a huge risk one option would tank the other leaving it completely unsold. Why bother when people can just buy the models or use whatever extra Vampire lords they have on hand and skip on all the headache?
H.B.M.C. wrote: I still maintain that a lot of what came out for Soulblight Dumbnames were repurposed Cursed City miniatures that they released because they couldn't make/didn't know if they were going ever make the expansion packs.
Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GWnever does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...
I think this is right.
It’s easier to whip up a cardstock expansion as a filler, and chuck out in the mean time.
Surely the timeframe for just quickly adding all the stuff to the Soulblight book people can’t think is feasible.
And if this was all meant to be in an expansion originally, 4 models and bats, but all on their own sprues, sprues nothing like the usual prior Quest releases set ups, it would have been a super expensive expansion surely.
Given the costs involved, there's nothing "easy" about whipping up a cardstock expansion. Cardstock issues are the reason Cursed City vanished in the first place.
On paper I really don't mind the box not containing mini... if it means the box is cheaper.
Now, let's see if GW will sell that miniless box at a reasonable price (20 bucks max) of if their greed will get the best of them once again.
Who am I kidding, ofc they'll go full greed and sell it 75 buck min.
Still it's pretty weird of them to no include the minies that were obvious designed for it since repackaging stuff is their favorite past time.
Irbis wrote: Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GWnever does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...
That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.
Does mean though whatever went wrong with CC happened well over year before launch date. Wonder what the hell happened that far away.
Irbis wrote: Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GWnever does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...
That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.
Does mean though whatever went wrong with CC happened well over year before launch date. Wonder what the hell happened that far away.
Nobody will ever know. The years between 2019 and 2022 are shrouded in mystery and no on will know because Dr. Strange cast some powerful magic that erased the events of those years completely from mind. Some speak of a worldwide plague while others talk of government conspiracies.
its not impossible that this is content that has been re-written to use these existing minis instead of some new push fit ones that were originally planned but have now been shelved as there just isn't space on the production schedule
there has been time for them to have done it, especially if it's a fairly simplistic swapping (or if they've just dropped them in without much or any playtesting), so it will be interesting to see what players think of it, and how well they think it works compared to the main game
I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.
I have plenty of old vampire minis in my collection that could easily take the place of the minis gw wants us to buy. I also have a few of the old fellbats that I could stick on a new base.
That's all without venturing into the world of 3d printing.
Obviously we all love new minis but there's something almost refreshing about gw putting out a rules only supplement. If the rules aren't good it won't sell; there are no minis to hide behind. The gameplay of the main game isn't great out of the box but there are some homebrew rules that improve it considerably.
I wonder if there has been time to incorporate any of those tweaks into the expansion.
I don’t collect vampires for AOS but will likely buy this box and some mins to use it. I love cursed city as a game and want more.
I was surprised at no new minis but if the three we would have got were the ones In the article I’m ok. Not that keen on them.
All this talk of incompetence and greed is a bit of a joke really. GW got bit on the arse by international supply lines in this day and age, it happens to the best companies. And they are a profit making company with shareholders. It’s not greed, it business, they have a responsibility to the shareholders to make money, as much as possible. They did a lot of decent things during the pandemic, they gave back any money they got from government for support because they actually did well out of us all being stuck at home, many firms over here didn't do that at all and others needed shaming into doing it. Now I’m sure I will get called a white knight or what ever for this but at the end of the day they are a company that provides lots of local jobs that could’ve been outsourced, produce stuff in the uk and pay taxes here. A lot better than most multinational firms.
It does seem like cursed city has been an example of damage limitation, and now they are adapting to the policies that forced on them. There will be a market for this set, all the minis/cards sets they sell, there is a huge after market just for card stock, I have sold on unwanted underworlds and killteam stuff at a decent price.
Chikout wrote: I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.
Again, it's all down to the price they'll be asking for a bod full of cheap cardboard.
If it's under 20$ then it's anice idea, if it's over that then its just GW trying to find another avenue to nickle and dime their consumer even more.
Chopstick wrote: It's a book with cardboards and cards, likely 60USD, same price as your average warhammer quest expansion. Maybe adjusted to price hike, so 65-75.
Isn't the usual warhammer quest expension shipped with 5 or so miniatures at least tho?
Chopstick wrote: It's a book with cardboards and cards, likely 60USD, same price as your average warhammer quest expansion. Maybe adjusted to price hike, so 65-75.
Isn't the usual warhammer quest expension shipped with 5 or so miniatures at least tho?
It varies a lot. Some have more models, some have less. I think one for Black Fortress was just one model - the Zoat. Meanwhile other expansions were full on two large teams of new models for both sides.
So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .
I think £30 would be my absolute limit for an expansion like this but I'd definitely want to read a few reviews first.
As always my fear is that GW's insane pricing system will teach them the wrong lessons. The new warcry box has fewer sprues of terrain and fewer minis than into the dark but costs more. It's no wonder that it hasn't sold that well, but I could imagine some gw exec looking at the numbers, shrugging and cancelling warcry. I worry that Warhammer quest could be headed down the same path.
Overread wrote: So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .
Yup. These ones in particular REALLY fest random and out of nowhere, they felt straight out of CC.
Chikout wrote: I think £30 would be my absolute limit for an expansion like this but I'd definitely want to read a few reviews first.
As always my fear is that GW's insane pricing system will teach them the wrong lessons. The new warcry box has fewer sprues of terrain and fewer minis than into the dark but costs more. It's no wonder that it hasn't sold that well, but I could imagine some gw exec looking at the numbers, shrugging and cancelling warcry. I worry that Warhammer quest could be headed down the same path.
I'll be surprise if they cancelled the thing. They just grossly overestimated the impact a new edition would have.
Honestly, both Warcry and Kill Team should just be free, and not even have a specific mini line. It should be a way to play skirmish AoS/40k with your armies rather than a weird tumor that grow on the back of thos games and drain some of the resources that they really need (just compare the number of kits Warcry got compared to AoS, especially the 1st ed army, and you realize something silly is going on here.
Obviously we all love new minis but there's something almost refreshing about gw putting out a rules only supplement.
A rules only supplement from GW isn't refreshing at all. They do it a -lot-. And they, generally, really suck.
The entire span of psychic awakening, various campaign books and etc. Even a lot of the army books these days.
GW is at its absolute worst when it skips models and just does rules.
If the rules aren't good it won't sell; there are no minis to hide behind. The gameplay of the main game isn't great out of the box but there are some homebrew rules that improve it considerably.
Buying something to fix it for them isn't a thing anyone should be doing.
Overread wrote: So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .
Yup. These ones in particular REALLY fest random and out of nowhere, they felt straight out of CC.
Chikout wrote: I think £30 would be my absolute limit for an expansion like this but I'd definitely want to read a few reviews first.
As always my fear is that GW's insane pricing system will teach them the wrong lessons. The new warcry box has fewer sprues of terrain and fewer minis than into the dark but costs more. It's no wonder that it hasn't sold that well, but I could imagine some gw exec looking at the numbers, shrugging and cancelling warcry. I worry that Warhammer quest could be headed down the same path.
I'll be surprise if they cancelled the thing. They just grossly overestimated the impact a new edition would have.
Honestly, both Warcry and Kill Team should just be free, and not even have a specific mini line. It should be a way to play skirmish AoS/40k with your armies rather than a weird tumor that grow on the back of thos games and drain some of the resources that they really need (just compare the number of kits Warcry got compared to AoS, especially the 1st ed army, and you realize something silly is going on here.
There’s already ways to play smaller 40k/AoS isn’t there though? In those rulesets. I guess not that small size but still.
This is a reason to make more offshoot interesting minis, that may appeal to someone who doesn’t want to collect a whole army.
Like Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Underworlds and then those two.
Seems to have sold relatively well in Warcry circles.
Certainly many picked it up in the Warcry groups/discord’s and such.
Is there numbers or facts to say it hasn’t done well?
Chikout wrote: I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.
Any chance you could clarify what you mean by the bit in bold, Chikout? AFAIK, this WHC article was the first confirmation of anything to do with a CC expansion, and everyone posting in here is reacting to the information conveyed in that article, including the lack of miniatures...
Chikout wrote: I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.
Any chance you could clarify what you mean by the bit in bold, Chikout? AFAIK, this WHC article was the first confirmation of anything to do with a CC expansion, and everyone posting in here is reacting to the information conveyed in that article, including the lack of miniatures...
The existence of expansions was announced at the same time as the return of Cursed city was announced back in December. Over on TGA there is a rumour munger with a 100% track record who said on the day the return of Cursed city was announced "notice how they said new adventures but not new minis" or something to that effect. So the tga community has been braced for this news for a while.
Irbis wrote: Which would be completely wrong as both A) they aren't easy build, like pretty much every miniature in both AoS and 40K board games, but regular AoS multipiece sprue (and single hero format with multiple options, too), and C) they were featured front and center in Vampire book, even having dedicated faction, something GWnever does with side game models. Just look at the afterthought pre-Hulk Radukar himself was in that book, you pretty much had to use him as generic Vampire lord to be usable. Then there is the fact one Vampire is completely wrong style/family for the city, and point about wrong bases for game people made multiple times...
That is some next level denial. This was always the expansion plan. They just screwed up and here you are trying to explain away GW's incompetence. Just give it a rest, you aren't fooling anyone.
Does mean though whatever went wrong with CC happened well over year before launch date. Wonder what the hell happened that far away.
Nobody will ever know. The years between 2019 and 2022 are shrouded in mystery and no on will know because Dr. Strange cast some powerful magic that erased the events of those years completely from mind. Some speak of a worldwide plague while others talk of government conspiracies.
We may never know.
Last i checked gw releasea loads of stufd 2019-2022 so theory of yours is bollocks.
They knew early 2020 they wouldn't post expansions if they repurposed the models for the sbgl.
Chikout wrote: I'm a bit surprised at the reaction to this. Maybe it's because I've known there would be no minis since the box was announced, but I don't think this is a bad idea.
Any chance you could clarify what you mean by the bit in bold, Chikout? AFAIK, this WHC article was the first confirmation of anything to do with a CC expansion, and everyone posting in here is reacting to the information conveyed in that article, including the lack of miniatures...
The existence of expansions was announced at the same time as the return of Cursed city was announced back in December. Over on TGA there is a rumour munger with a 100% track record who said on the day the return of Cursed city was announced "notice how they said new adventures but not new minis" or something to that effect. So the tga community has been braced for this news for a while.
No new models is different from no models at all.
I think most of us expected to see sets with the character style models that came out. We just expected to see them bundled up with cards and sold both ways like GW sells warcry sets in both card and plain versions.
I think most people prefer the tiny Warhammer underworld box kinda expansions (which is much cheaper to produce than Warcry kit) but what we got is horribly overpriced box like Orgyn and his pal for 60, which got a re-release alongside the traitor guardsmen for the same price in Killteam :Blooded,
I will not buy a expansion without mini's. I do like cc as a game. i can make my own story's with the cards in the game it self. the mini's would sell an expansion not the cardstock.
Bummer no miniatures. The game never really struck me as something to write home about, so I'm not sure why they think selling the game alone is the way to go.
Pretty interested in an expension for CC. Hopefully the price is real cheap here considering it wont have minis (which is a bummer).
I think that no minis was the best way to go with it tho, after they seemingly released the models planned for it when they thought the whole game was getting scrapped after the botched launch. So people bought some or all of them in the mean time, and they must think its better to keep the now revived expension free of mini in case people wont want to double dip on the minis.
I would like to see a discounted bundle of the minis, but I'll keep dreaming on that, no chance they'd do more than a one-click bundle.
I though it was odd that they released all these vampire characters and the those father/daughter witch hunters back when they did as they didn’t feel they fit with gerneral release.
But they do seem to have been models intended for cursed city that they just decided to get out there. It all makes sense now. But it has messed up this and future releases.
Would love to know the full story of how this game went soo wrong release wise.
Thinking about it, they did bundles for the hero packs in Silver Tower. The app came with hero rules for a bunch of characters and there were two boxes at £35 each that had 4/5 heroes in that were £20 figures individually.
Difference there of course is they were different factions so no-one felt so ripped off. Yes, they paid £26 for a Knight Ventator and for £9 they could have also got a Sorcerer Lord, Slaughterpriest and Runemaster but most people had no need for all four faction heroes outside of Silver Tower.
Also the final nail in the coffin for the theory that the various vampire lord models weren't just repurposed Cursed City sculpts.
Not really. They aren’t push-fit, like every Warhammer Quest model since Blackstone Fortress, and I don’t think they big bases even fit the squares on the board. If they were repurposed, it was much earlier than the whole debacle.
And it could be soulblight models repurposed for expansions
As is even at best of case soulblight book(with pictures of models) would have come first anyway. Would be unusual to say the least to have pictures of non-book related unreleased models.
Did they start cranking out Cursed City again under cover of darkness, and everyone already picked up their copies?
I was listening to a YT channel, and point came up was-
" This expansion contains no miniatures, so you can acquire each of the three vampires in turn as you head out on your quest to hunt them down one by one. You’ll need a set of Fell Bats and Radukar the Beast to start immediately."
I've seen the Vampires in the shop, but no Cursed City. I have been looking for the Father and Daughter Vampire Hunter team for quite sometime, now. STILL NONE.
Did they start cranking out Cursed City again under cover of darkness, and everyone already picked up their copies?
I was listening to a YT channel, and point came up was-
" This expansion contains no miniatures, so you can acquire each of the three vampires in turn as you head out on your quest to hunt them down one by one. You’ll need a set of Fell Bats and Radukar the Beast to start immediately."
I've seen the Vampires in the shop, but no Cursed City. I have been looking for the Father and Daughter Vampire Hunter team for quite sometime, now. STILL NONE.
Flinty wrote: Exactly. For the later Blackstone expansions, I picked up the cardboard only off E-bay so I could play the expansion if I wanted, but without the expense of more models, when I already have so many that I could use to play the game with.
I can understand the desire to want to see more new awesome plastic, but that doesn't make this a foolish method of release.
Agreed. While I was a bit perplexed that the expansion doesn't come with any models, a bit of reflection made me realise that this approach appeals both to buyers like Flinty (who don't want the models) and myself (who don't want the cardboard). Here, I did the exact opposite to Flinty. I only wanted the models, but had to pay over the odds for a zoat and an ambull as they came bundled with the game material, which I then flogged second-hand.
While I agree that:
* The gap between release of the models and the box would have been better
* The overall price could be somehow reduced for people who want both
* Everything could have been better communicated
...I don't think a release without models is inherently a bad idea, as it gives flexbility. There's certainly precedent, in the form of hte old campaign packs and things (and arguably Codices and Army Books).
Flinty wrote: Exactly. For the later Blackstone expansions, I picked up the cardboard only off E-bay so I could play the expansion if I wanted, but without the expense of more models, when I already have so many that I could use to play the game with.
I can understand the desire to want to see more new awesome plastic, but that doesn't make this a foolish method of release.
Agreed. While I was a bit perplexed that the expansion doesn't come with any models, a bit of reflection made me realise that this approach appeals both to buyers like Flinty (who don't want the models) and myself (who don't want the cardboard). Here, I did the exact opposite to Flinty. I only wanted the models, but had to pay over the odds for a zoat and an ambull as they came bundled with the game material, which I then flogged second-hand.
Yeah, the reason it's so bizarre is it's a great release for those who want the game content but don't want to pay a premium for GW models when they can use proxies or standees. Obviously it's great for those who don't want the game content and just want the models for use in AoS...
The one group of people it's not so great for are those of us who want to play the board game as it was intended! Which is bizarre on the face of it, though I accept we may be in the minority!
But you can play as intended with all the relevant models. They are just eye wateringly expensive. There remains a question as to whether GW might have applied some kind of discount, but as they are apparently directly operable in AoS, I'm not sure how likely that is, as their stock would be utterly smashed by re-sellers and AOS players, such that people who wanted to actually platy the game may not be able to actually get a set.
That last point is possible needless hyperbole, though... (sounded good in my head though )
In theory CC was/should have been a means to boost Soulblight armies by an insane amount. Discount the models in CC to and then launch the Battletome where you can use all of the same side in one army. BOOM you have one popular game loads of people play and by the end of its 2-3 year season you've got people who own probably at least 1K points worth of vampires that they weren't going to otherwise buy.
They then go on to buy another 1K of models plus more and suddenly GW has a successful Quest game AND a really big popularity spike for Soulblight.
In that context short term discounts on the CC models isn't an issue because they result in increased sales elsewhere.
SamusDrake wrote: Radukar might be a case of reusing the Vargskyr from the core box, so long as the two characters aren't taking part in the same mission.
No idea how to get around the giant bats though.
You buy a pack of bats from Reaper etc?
Hell, you can buy several for the price of GW bats....
Come October it should be pretty easy to find cheap plastic bats from all the Halloween tat that fills the shops. Obviously they won't be as cool as the fell bats but with a bit of effort it should be possible to spruce them up a bit.
Up for pre-order on Saturday, for now the third time, is Cursed City along with the accompanying Black Library book, and it's first expansion Night Wars...
"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"
So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know
"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"
So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know
And that's the huge problem. CC works because the models inside are discounted from GW's standard prices.
Same for all the other Quest boxed sets.
Trying to sell it all retail split up prices is nuts because it means that the expansion with half a dozen hero models only and card stock ends up costing MORE than the core set which comes with perhaps four times the content.
If GW don't do any bundle sale this first expansion will only be bought by people who currently play soulblight armies and thus already have or will eventually get the hero models anyway.
Of course if everyone who plays CC went out and got a soulblight army anyway it "might" work out ok; but I just get a feeling this first expansion is going to fall flat on its face. Possibly might happen with the second expansion too since we did have that father and daughter tag team get released and they are clearly expansion material as well.
"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"
So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know
And that's the huge problem. CC works because the models inside are discounted from GW's standard prices.
Same for all the other Quest boxed sets.
Trying to sell it all retail split up prices is nuts because it means that the expansion with half a dozen hero models only and card stock ends up costing MORE than the core set which comes with perhaps four times the content.
If GW don't do any bundle sale this first expansion will only be bought by people who currently play soulblight armies and thus already have or will eventually get the hero models anyway.
Of course if everyone who plays CC went out and got a soulblight army anyway it "might" work out ok; but I just get a feeling this first expansion is going to fall flat on its face. Possibly might happen with the second expansion too since we did have that father and daughter tag team get released and they are clearly expansion material as well.
I'd be worried about the opposite of the underlined part. If there are enough Soulblight players, or people who would use other stand ins for the models, who figure they already have the expensive part of the expansion and decide to bite the bullet and get the paper part, it might prop up the expansion and give GW the wrong idea about what people think of the absence of models, and the price for that matter.
Personally I don't see why you would want a pure game from GW. The good part about their games are the models. Take those away and there isn't anything left to justify GW prices. So I certainly hope they won't get the impression that Warhammer Quest expansions without models are something they can get away with.
Ouch! I didn't mind it not coming with the minis since I already had them, but that's a bit pricey.
If I played the game more I might still have picked it up, but as it is, I think it's a no.
Hopefully the bean-counters have tempered their sales expectations. Would hate for them to get the wrong idea when this sells as poorly as I think it will.
"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"
So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know
Well, you're assuming you only need one box of fell bats.
"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"
So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know
Well, you're assuming you only need one box of fell bats.
Oh, I noticed, yes ^^. It was getting depressing enough.
But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones. The main gripe here is paying 40 bucks for a cardboard punch sheet and like 30 cards.
But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones.
That still leaves it in a weird no-mans-land of appeal though. GW games aren't good enough to pick over any other board game, with the exception that the models are great, lots of fun to paint, and look amazing on the table. The only thing Cursed City has going for it over, for example, Descent, is that it looks amazing. Because of the GW models.
Yes I guess I could use my Descent models to play this but at that point... well, why not just play Descent? It's better.
And then the other reason people buy GW board games is because they want the models anyway, and the game is a bonus (or not even that, just thrown away) in which case, again, no appeal to those folks with this game.
Overread wrote: So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .
Honestly, both Warcry and Kill Team should just be free, and not even have a specific mini line. It should be a way to play skirmish AoS/40k with your armies rather than a weird tumor that grow on the back of thos games and drain some of the resources that they really need (just compare the number of kits Warcry got compared to AoS, especially the 1st ed army, and you realize something silly is going on here.
I don't know about that, KT and BSF brought back some awesome redesigned minis and some never before seen minis that only existed previously in art and background text. I dont own Cursed City, though id like to, and I think this new supplement is a nice addition. I dont know the price but it lets you change things up a bit from what ive seen. Back when the original WHQ was around we had Lair of the Orc Lord, Catacombs of terror and the like as well as some White dwarf scenarios. In the 90's the release schedule was much slower however. Nowadays there is so much choice for everyone which is revealed so quickly its hard to keep up
But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones.
That still leaves it in a weird no-mans-land of appeal though. GW games aren't good enough to pick over any other board game, with the exception that the models are great, lots of fun to paint, and look amazing on the table. The only thing Cursed City has going for it over, for example, Descent, is that it looks amazing. Because of the GW models.
Yes I guess I could use my Descent models to play this but at that point... well, why not just play Descent? It's better.
And then the other reason people buy GW board games is because they want the models anyway, and the game is a bonus (or not even that, just thrown away) in which case, again, no appeal to those folks with this game.
Cursed City is actually quite fun to play. I think because the majority of board game releases in the past have simply been mostly bundles to get models, people tend to want to write it off. But it's got a lot of depth and fun to it, especially if you treat it like a campaign and run with the same group of folks.
But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones.
That still leaves it in a weird no-mans-land of appeal though. GW games aren't good enough to pick over any other board game, with the exception that the models are great, lots of fun to paint, and look amazing on the table. The only thing Cursed City has going for it over, for example, Descent, is that it looks amazing. Because of the GW models.
Yes I guess I could use my Descent models to play this but at that point... well, why not just play Descent? It's better.
And then the other reason people buy GW board games is because they want the models anyway, and the game is a bonus (or not even that, just thrown away) in which case, again, no appeal to those folks with this game.
Which version of Descent are you comparing CC to? The 1st which is ancient and has lots of flaws, the 2nd that is IMO the best version but is out of print (and ironically all of the villian leaders have to be bought seperately), or the 3rd that can't be played without an app (and is therefore an automatic no play for many)?
It's fine of course for you to prefer to play another game, but it's not an either or situation. It's not like it's a straight choice between buying a CC or Descent expansion. For people who enjoy CC, more official content is obviously a good thing.
Again fine for you to disagree, but FWIW specific examples of what CC does better than 2nd edition Descent IMO other than production values:
Destiny dice mechanic vs custom dice;
Killing enemies gives you rewards;
More interesting setting and lore;
Automated selection of enemies that rotates quickly.
I wonder if any of the Underworlds teams will be co opted into Underworlds?
The new undead team would be great to introduce heavier armored skeletons, as well as wight king.
And the electric vampire could easily be another boss.
Plus GW wouldn't have to put in much effort for the expansion
But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones.
That still leaves it in a weird no-mans-land of appeal though. GW games aren't good enough to pick over any other board game, with the exception that the models are great, lots of fun to paint, and look amazing on the table. The only thing Cursed City has going for it over, for example, Descent, is that it looks amazing. Because of the GW models.
Yes I guess I could use my Descent models to play this but at that point... well, why not just play Descent? It's better.
And then the other reason people buy GW board games is because they want the models anyway, and the game is a bonus (or not even that, just thrown away) in which case, again, no appeal to those folks with this game.
Which version of Descent are you comparing CC to? The 1st which is ancient and has lots of flaws, the 2nd that is IMO the best version but is out of print (and ironically all of the villian leaders have to be bought seperately), or the 3rd that can't be played without an app (and is therefore an automatic no play for many)?
It's fine of course for you to prefer to play another game, but it's not an either or situation. It's not like it's a straight choice between buying a CC or Descent expansion. For people who enjoy CC, more official content is obviously a good thing.
Mix of 2 and 3 - 2e because that's where I'd get my bats from, 3e because that's in a box waiting to be painted and played.
I agree it's not either/or. I also agree CC is a good game. It's just if you take the minis out, it's not just Descent, I could name many, many other dungeon crawlers than are better and if we sat down and had a chat about exactly what you do and don't like in games I could probably find you one you'd like more and it'd be cheaper than this expansion with the minis. There's a good chance you'd be able to get it and every expansion ever made for it for the price of this expansion with the minis!
In a weird way it sort of is a straight choice too, if I want to pick this up it probably won't be available that long, albeit I can put off getting the models longer if I wanted. But also the Kingdom Death expansions are up for pre-order again for the first time in years for a few more days. Probably can't afford both. And the fact I could buy three expansions for Kingdom Death Monster for the cost of buying this with the models puts stuff into stark perspective. When you're three times the cost of the most boutique, frankly overpriced, expansions currently in the board game world....
Since the Blackstone Fortress traitor captain and Ogryn were included in the recent Kill Team box, I am now looking for just the cards and other bits from the BF:TC expansion. Exactly what this CC expansion is offering.
So, I see what GW is trying to do, after people whinged about the price of the BF sets, and that people just bought them for the models. This CC release gets around that.
£30 though? Not cool, GW.
Even if these CC models are released as UW or Warcry kits, the expansion is a huge price for what you get.
There was nothing to stop GW from releasing those exclusive Blackstone Fortress models separately close to the expansion releases (and advertise that fact for a change) and take pressure off people who genuinely bought the expansions to expand their game, and not just for the miniatures. Except, of course, for the calculation that selling exclusive models in overpriced expansions would yield the highest profit.
Had GW been so inclined, there wouldn't have been a need for people to buy useless paper to get the miniatures, or Warhammer Quest players missing out because because of the needless competition.
Nightwars isn't any different. It's not GW trying to do anybody any favors. They aren't releasing a paper only expansion to spare some people from buying the same models twice. They want the boost to overpriced clampack character sales. Any benefit to any subsection of GW's customers is entirely unintended.
This months free model offer is amazing if they have done a run of the full sprue sets as implied by the pic. They have used the 'may be different to pictured' get out before but that was usually more because the sprue contained multiple models and you could get any one rather then saying you won't get the pictured one.
Seems they are already sliding on the 'specific model' sprues they introduced 2 months ago.
Id be utterly amazed if the free model is anything other than the zombies or skeletons from the box set. No way will they be offering any of the named characters or large monsters.
For anyone who has all the coins that pair with said models.
Are we missing any of the earlier numbers in the set, since they started coming out of order.
The point when the specific sprues started coming for the free model, any coin coming that’s numbered after that, is all down the individual sprue route as that’s the new plan for it.
But we might still be missing a few numbers from it right? I’ve not kept up, early on I know we had missed out on a few numbers, but we might have gotten back round to those since..
Danny76 wrote: For anyone who has all the coins that pair with said models.
Are we missing any of the earlier numbers in the set, since they started coming out of order.
The point when the specific sprues started coming for the free model, any coin coming that’s numbered after that, is all down the individual sprue route as that’s the new plan for it.
But we might still be missing a few numbers from it right? I’ve not kept up, early on I know we had missed out on a few numbers, but we might have gotten back round to those since..
I think the only coin that got missed was the Craftworld Eldar. Those appeared on Ebay being sold by 1 store by the boxload along with a bunch of forgeworld models.
It appears it was a theft from the warehouse at around the same time GW had had a flood of sewage from a local pipe failure. My guess is a bunch of contaminated or potentially contaminated stock was set for disposal and a few people decided to pinch a chunk of it and flog it. I've no idea what happened after that, the ebay store was at the time up for a good length of time.
Well right now the price is $0, as this just came through from one of the stores I use:
Gap Games wrote:We have just been informed by Games Workshop Australia that the Nightwars Expansion pre-order and release will be delayed until sometime prior to X-MASS 2022.
Related to next month being Cursed City mini of the month.
Went into my local GW today and asked the redshirt exactly what mini was up for grabs. Turns out it's all of them. According to him, each GW has been sent 1 CC box and is doling out the minis on a first come first serve basis, all the way from Radukar down to the skeleton cat markers. The 8th is when they are available.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Is it worth pointing out that 30GBP=30USD these days?
Certainly is. But given in the UK the past 30 odd years if an American product has an RRP of $400 we have been charged £400 it probably makes no difference. It is a two way street that relevant companies and retailers never want to travel down, it is not like shipping, wages etc have also gotten cheaper.
I usually give GW some leeway...but this is ridiculous. The expansion seems to be sold out everywhere... "how can the same stuff happen to the same guy twice?".
It is acceptable to drop the ball, but to then take the ball, puncture it and bury it deep in the ground seems a bit much.
It makes you wonder what the thinking was. Maybe gw deliberately charged a stupidly high price because they knew they hadn't made many. Here in Japan the expansion is the equivalent of £45 and it still sold out in a flash.
This feels so weird. Both the German and English version of Nightwars are still available on the German webstore after an hour and a half.
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Chikout wrote: It makes you wonder what the thinking was. Maybe gw deliberately charged a stupidly high price because they knew they hadn't made many. Here in Japan the expansion is the equivalent of £45 and it still sold out in a flash.
The thinking may have been that a lot of people buy expansions for the models, not the paper. If they make an expansion without models, much less will sell. It would be in line for GW to underproduce for fear of being left with excess stock.
Geifer wrote: This feels so weird. Both the German and English version of Nightwars are still available on the German webstore after an hour and a half.
Geifer wrote: This feels so weird. Both the German and English version of Nightwars are still available on the German webstore after an hour and a half.
A testament to your level-headedness.
I wish.
Checking after two hours, the English version is gone. Everyone just sleeping in, I guess.
At this rate I'm almost convinced someone at GW management HATES CC and wants it to fail.
I'm more shocked at there being zero bundle discount or anything. You will spend more for the expansion than the core game and have not even half the models!
From GW website £156 for the 5 models and Nightwars expansion
Or
£125 for Cursed City which contains 60 models, rulebooks, cardstock, game boards
Honestly unlikely on this one. If it had models sure, but with how bumpy a road CC has been release wise and how much of it is still on sale on ebay at pretty cheap prices, I'd wager scalpers are saving coin for other releases.
Don't forget their intent is to buy low sell high. The CC cardstock expansion is already selling high. It's far more likely GW has under-ordered compared to expected demand than it is scalpers have swooped in for the kill.
Overread wrote: Honestly unlikely on this one. If it had models sure, but with how bumpy a road CC has been release wise and how much of it is still on sale on ebay at pretty cheap prices, I'd wager scalpers are saving coin for other releases.
Don't forget their intent is to buy low sell high. The CC cardstock expansion is already selling high. It's far more likely GW has under-ordered compared to expected demand than it is scalpers have swooped in for the kill.
The re-release made it 'cheap', but before it was announced they were going for more than double RRP.
Really annoyed by lack of stock for this. I had a marathon start at the same time as preorders went live and it was sold out everywhere by the time I finished. Given how stock has been so much better recently I didn’t think I would need to stop mid run to preorder. The expansion has now been completely removed from the GW website which is never a good sign for it getting a reprint.
For those who are interested and for whom it is an option to order from Germany: kutami.de seems to still have stock of the English language version (20% off rrp). In German it's already gone.
Plenty of copies still available for those looking to immigrate to the States.
If I were GW I wouldn't have made a lot of copies just because who could say if it would be popular? Then again that silly knight expansion for HeroQuest sold like crazy, people like expansions.
It is what it is, but I would've at least included the easy-to-build Sepulchral Guard and the quest book content for them to be the opening act of the expansion. That would have provided the missing value.
What are all the giant eyeball, vampire faces and raven tokens for, anyway?
1) They have some use in the game.
2) They're completely useless.
3) They're just in there to annoy you.
You can just say you don't know, or simply say nothing.
Presumably someone familiar with the base game has a guess as to why oversized cardstock tokens the size of map squares are useful for this miniatures game?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Well right now the price is $0, as this just came through from one of the stores I use:
Gap Games wrote:We have just been informed by Games Workshop Australia that the Nightwars Expansion pre-order and release will be delayed until sometime prior to X-MASS 2022.
Of course, I may have an alternative...
Yep, that was a price check since prices can be wonky for some things now with currency fluctuations and a new competitive discount from one AU retailer in particular. I've got mine on order.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Why are people complaining the item nobody wants to buy is sold out?
Might be that the few people saying that they won't buy it on one particular forum aren't full representative of the wider market?
Also, we all know what happend with the initial release, so people who want the thing probably are less likely to decide to wait and see on this expansion...
Fair enough. I don't like the format for this release, but I do like CC and have the models that I like from the "proper" ones anyway - and nice WHU models for the others.
What are all the giant eyeball, vampire faces and raven tokens for, anyway?
1) They have some use in the game.
2) They're completely useless.
3) They're just in there to annoy you.
You can just say you don't know, or simply say nothing.
Presumably someone familiar with the base game has a guess as to why oversized cardstock tokens the size of map squares are useful for this miniatures game?
Well, I thought you are familiar with the game, sorry. The large markers with the rats are presumably the same as the gravetide - some kind of rampaging endless spell. With the rats I guess it's something Kritza would use, not just in specific quests like the gravetide. The vampires and their gravestones are self-explaining. The eyes... the weird Vampire Lord with bats in the hair turned out to be Carmilla DuSang with a huge spy network in Ulfenkarn. Eye tokens would be natural.
frankelee wrote: Plenty of copies still available for those looking to immigrate to the States.
If I were GW I wouldn't have made a lot of copies just because who could say if it would be popular? Then again that silly knight expansion for HeroQuest sold like crazy, people like expansions.
Tinfoil hat on
GW may be pushing more copies to the US to take advantage of the current currency situation.
Tinfoil hat off
The $50 price tag is around what what we're looking at for books from GW. I don't see it as out of the range of other GW expansion products. It's expensive, but in the normal range for GW. Would the complaints be any different if it had been an expansion book instead of a board game expansion?
frankelee wrote: Plenty of copies still available for those looking to immigrate to the States.
If I were GW I wouldn't have made a lot of copies just because who could say if it would be popular? Then again that silly knight expansion for HeroQuest sold like crazy, people like expansions.
Tinfoil hat on
GW may be pushing more copies to the US to take advantage of the current currency situation.
Tinfoil hat off
The $50 price tag is around what what we're looking at for books from GW. I don't see it as out of the range of other GW expansion products. It's expensive, but in the normal range for GW. Would the complaints be any different if it had been an expansion book instead of a board game expansion?
It wouldn't surprise if they sent a lot of copies to America, maybe Cursed City sold best there, I don't know, but they're making $34 selling it in the UK, $41 in the EU, and $50 in the US. So why not send most of your copies there?
The price is in the normal range for GW, that's true. Though I think their luxury prices put them on a high wire of delivering at a high level, and when they miss that mark the consumer really notices. I think that was a bit of a problem for companies like FFG and CMON when they first tried to do wargames at relatively expensive prices like GW does, but didn't understand you have to put the bow on it to the same level as GW does too. In this case doing a book instead (wrapped in cellophane with a pack of cards and sheet of tokens) would have been a fantastic idea. Don't invest your creativity in four villains, spread it around to a bunch of the current model range, like 16 villains or distinct minion groups, and put it in a book of fluff and narrative missions. Then they just could have said, if you have these models, or proxy these models, you can add all this new content to Cursed City, and nobody would have batted an eye. People would have been widely clamoring for it, instead of questioning how terrible a value it was.
It wouldn't surprise if they sent a lot of copies to America, maybe Cursed City sold best there, I don't know, but they're making $34 selling it in the UK, $41 in the EU, and $50 in the US. So why not send most of your copies there?
Well, by that logic, they'd send them all to AU NZ and Japan!
Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.
"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?
Clockpunk wrote: Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.
"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?
Thats a real kick in the nuts.
Not sure if this is your cup of tea but someone named Peter Cooper has made two fan expansions that might be worth checking out; Exile of Ulfenkarn and VerminHollow. I see rules for not only the models for Nightwars but also the Crimson Court models and the explorers from Silver Tower. Oh, and the Ven Densts.
Clockpunk wrote: Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.
"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?
Because yes, a retailer is totally to blame for a manufacturer shorting them…
And here in Canada it's still readily available and had no trouble ordering mine.
Kinda sad it didn't come with any models, but that was probably the best scenario for them considering the original botched release. That still didn't stop them to charge as much as they could though!
Skywave wrote: And here in Canada it's still readily available and had no trouble ordering mine.
Kinda sad it didn't come with any models, but that was probably the best scenario for them considering the original botched release. That still didn't stop them to charge as much as they could though!
Oh, I know - I tried a Canadian retailer (even at *that* level of full cost and shipping), but they cancelled right away - not being able to sell new product internationally. >.<
Clockpunk wrote: Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.
"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?
Because yes, a retailer is totally to blame for a manufacturer shorting them…
It is if they oversell without confirming their stock first.
From what I gather its when they get more sales on the webstore and then redirect stock from stores to the webstore.
The problem is we on the outside can sometimes never tell if its because a 3rd party store is overselling or if GW is changing delivery amounts last moment and leaving 3rd party stores high and dry without stock that they were expecting to get.
Clockpunk wrote: Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.
"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?
Don’t know if it helps anyone abroad, but here‘s a German shop where you can still order Nightwars in English (at a 20% discount):
Scalpers would be daft to go the extra expense of spending five times the price of the Expansion on Stock Models. Models which aren’t going anywhere. Models which will be in various shops already because they originally launched months ago. They’re just not going to get a return on that - and would be absolutely risking a loss, because at that point the models just become Second Hand.
Because….FOMO can’t be applied to Stock Models. Sure it’s a pain when GW goes out of stock - but that’s not the same as Out Of Production. Because they’ll be back on sale in a few weeks. And yes, they will. They’re a formal part of the Soulbliggt army. The characters even an integral part of said army.
Not only did the expansion sell out in the U.K.? But…so did the models needed.
No. Really.
Which I’m afraid kind of suggest “what does Dakka know?”. And I say that in a rare case of me being on the side of the critics here.
Presumably the part of Dakka that can get on board with this style of expansion knows just fine, and the part that believes GW fans are a bunch of cultists is sure to have more fuel for their belief?
Albertorius wrote: It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.
So welcome to the new normal I guess?
I’d argue there’s nothing new about it. We know GW has been doing…exceptionally well over the past few years, recording record profits year after year.
And for clarity folks, I’m not “Nyeh nyeh told you so” on this. I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.
Albertorius wrote: It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.
So welcome to the new normal I guess?
I’d argue there’s nothing new about it. We know GW has been doing…exceptionally well over the past few years, recording record profits year after year.
And for clarity folks, I’m not “Nyeh nyeh told you so” on this. I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.
I actually meant the "separately sold minis" part. It clearly works out for them. So I expect we will be seeing more of it.
Albertorius wrote: It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.
So welcome to the new normal I guess?
Truth be told I wouldn't infer anything about the customer side of this. GW might not have all that much stock of those characters lying around at any given time and the cross compatibility with AoS means there's a chance that much of it can be accounted for as Soulblight players who also like Warhammer Quest getting the final nudge they needed to add them to their collection.
But you're right, the worry here is that GW is going to read it as approval and keeps putting out this kind of expansion.
It's not even like it's a terrible idea in principle. I'm sure a lot of us would love to see paper only expansions if they included new tiles, matching campaigns and large bestiaries, and if GW made an open dungeon crawler more akin to Warhammer Quest of old instead of the narrowly focused ones with cut down RPG elements we get these days. Of course these days GW's prices make that a less tempting proposition, but a good core game with a steady stream of campaign expansions that gradually add rules for the entire AoS line seems a lot more appealing than a narrowly focused core game and an expansion that looks like a sales vehicle for super expensive character packs. I mean, both ideas effectively describe the same thing when it comes to making GW money, but one of them just looks better. At least to me.
Geifer wrote: It's not even like it's a terrible idea in principle. I'm sure a lot of us would love to see paper only expansions if they included new tiles, matching campaigns and large bestiaries, and if GW made an open dungeon crawler more akin to Warhammer Quest of old instead of the narrowly focused ones with cut down RPG elements we get these days. Of course these days GW's prices make that a less tempting proposition, but a good core game with a steady stream of campaign expansions that gradually add rules for the entire AoS line seems a lot more appealing than a narrowly focused core game and an expansion that looks like a sales vehicle for super expensive character packs. I mean, both ideas effectively describe the same thing when it comes to making GW money, but one of them just looks better. At least to me.
On principle I absolutely agree. But not at that price point.
If they decided to make and sell these kinds of expansions for like 20 euros, though... I mean, is there anything at the "impulsive buy" level anymore? Other than maybe paints, I guess? Back when I was working at the GW store, we did a lot of money out of those, and I don't feel GW makes any anymore.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.
It's in the same area as a codex. That too is just expansion rules for a game which requires buying models separately. If one gets into that mindset, shelling out for a thin box with some card and paper explaining how to use some vampires in Quest isn't too different.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.
It's in the same area as a codex. That too is just expansion rules for a game which requires buying models separately. If one gets into that mindset, shelling out for a thin box with some card and paper explaining how to use some vampires in Quest isn't too different.
I mean, my 2nd Ed Eldar Project is ultimately an impulse buy. Started as an idea, hyped by the new Eldar releases, and turned into a few hundred quid dropped, because at that precise time my disposable income allowed for such.
I mean, my 2nd Ed Eldar Project is ultimately an impulse buy. Started as an idea, hyped by the new Eldar releases, and turned into a few hundred quid dropped, because at that precise time my disposable income allowed for such.
..Ok. By "impulse buy", in a store, one usually means "article cheap enough that it's pocket money for most of the store's traffic". Sure, it will vary from person to person, but you need a "fit for most" definition for that kinda stuff to be of any use at all. Usually, an "impulse buy" item would be something you could buy with, at most, a tenner. Like a paint pot. Or (back in the day) the WD. Or one of the cheap push fit boxes with IG or the like. Or yes, back in 2nd edition, a blister of minis. So everytime someone comes to the store, even if they don't buy anything "substantial", they can get something that they weren't specifically looking for.
I feel like you might not be in the "most of the store's traffic" category, though ^^, but rather in the "frequent miles" one .
But nowadays, I don't think there's much outside paints and the like that would qualify as "impulse buy".
Even the £20 bracket is getting pretty limited on options. Even a lot of single leader models can be just over that threshold and products that fit into it now might be something like a parts upgrade pack rather than a full model.
Nightwars is already appearing on eBay - £63 bid on an auction ending in a couple of days. £120 buy it now!
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I actually meant the "separately sold minis" part. It clearly works out for them. So I expect we will be seeing more of it.
Considering how hard it was to find certain "separately sold minis" for Descent 1st Ed, I'd say it's just a case of Dakka not knowing how fanatical board gamers get.
I mean, my 2nd Ed Eldar Project is ultimately an impulse buy. Started as an idea, hyped by the new Eldar releases, and turned into a few hundred quid dropped, because at that precise time my disposable income allowed for such.
..Ok. By "impulse buy", in a store, one usually means "article cheap enough that it's pocket money for most of the store's traffic".
Not in any economics text I've ever seen it hasn't. "Impulse buy" just means "bought without a plan or on a whim". There isn't a price tag tied to it.
There might be no fixed price range in general, but I'd wager most stores consider them to be on the cheaper end for the target market of a select product range.
Eg MTG might consider boosters an impulse purchase product. Sure its also one of the main product lines, but its also pretty cheap within the hobby itself to be affordable and tempting to a purchase without much thought or on a whim.
A booster box on the other hand would be a much more serious purchase for the average fan.
It's much easier to entice someone to a "bought without plan or on a whim" if the item is cheap/affordable. Because as soon as you start dealing in more serious costs (based on target demographic) the brain kicks in and goes "hey maybe we should think about this"
OF course if your target market is rich oil barons then the costs are vastly higher than if they are teenagers of average middleclass families
Platuan4th wrote: Not in any economics text I've ever seen it hasn't. "Impulse buy" just means "bought without a plan or on a whim". There isn't a price tag tied to it.
By GW's redshirt training documents it's exactly that, specifically the cheap stuff that people that comes in the store didn't plan to buy but can end up doing so. Or was, back when I had to go through them. Even had a monthly store target.
According to those, if you as a store worker manage to entice a customer to buy a, say, Land Raider they were not planning to buy, that's not impulse buy. That's a good sales pitch from the worker. You were still supposed to ask the customers if they wanted any of the impulse buy stuff ("need any paint, glue, etc?" and all), but they were clearly defined as different for them.
Yeah the impulse buy is "Oh and you need some more paint to go with that new Land Raider right"
Or a brush, glue - I'd almost put tools in there but GW's prices on tools are very steep now and honestly you shouldn't need to be buying clippers regularly (that's a welcome new customer product)
H.B.M.C. wrote: Unfortunately you cannot pick the Cursed City miniature of the month. I got... a Skeleton.
Was your store manager not letting you choose, or did you just only have a choice of skeletons?
According to my store manager each store only got sent 1 box and were they told it was a first in best dressed situation as far as picking a mini went. I got there as my store opened but was still 4th in line. Missed out on my preferred choice which was the big bat monster, which the lady in front of me nabbed, but I was able to pick the Ogre.
Can't help but think this was a touch ill-conceived. Certainly would have been better if they'd been more open about it being 1st come 1st serve in the WarCom article that announced it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The store I went to had de-sprued everything and put them into the little boxes that come with this promotion.
I was told to pick one from the tray. No way of knowing what was inside until I opened it.
Well honestly that seems like a fairer, if somewhat potentially disappointment inducing, way of doing it. I didn't see hide nor hair of little promotional boxes though.
So, as it turns out, my store isn't just putting random Cursed City minaitures in there. They're also putting accessory pieces in there. Friend of mine got the little gargoyle with the chest.
This means that you could randomly pull a Raven with a key or a gravestone as your mini.
JohnnyHell wrote: Oh no the thing I got for free isn’t the best thing I could have got for free
Yeah but when people hear "Cursed City mini" they're not thinking of gibbet skeleton or gargoyle on a treasure chest, they're thinking one of the Heroes or one of the Bosses/Monsters.
Again, as I said above, this was a bit ill-conceived given that GW only supplied 1 box per store and didn't tell people how the minis were being distributed to punters.
I can see being pretty annoyed if all you get is a stupid gravestone. The other tokens are alright, though the imp would have a lot more uses if there wasn't a treasure chest molded to him
GaroRobe wrote:I brought my girlfriend with me to increase my chances of getting a good free mini
That's cheating! I'd thought about asking my brother along for the same reasons, but that would have run the risk of him keeping whatever he chose instead of giving it to me.
lord_blackfang wrote:Personally I would rather get a fancy signpost than skeleton, but that's me.
Oh me too. There's a lot you can do with a fun little piece like that, but still smacks of "losing out" when you might have been expecting, or at least hoping for, something "better".
Half? It's a free model, most of the shoppers going into the store are likely buying something else at the same time or they are going to play and a model is a bonus. Asides the real target market isn't people going to the store as shoppers, its people totally new or very new where any free model is already temptation for them to stick around, build, paint and get involved.
lord_blackfang wrote: When you split a box of 60 models you can't all get the Varghulf.
Yeah but I doubt any of us thought they'd be handing out the accessories. That'd be like if they got copies of the first major Kill Team box and rather than a Kriegsman or a Kommando you got one of the measuring devices as your free "miniature" of the month.
I'd be happy if they release a standalone Vargskyr. Hands down the coolest Soulblight model by far, and the other Cursed City models are just cramping it's style...
My biggest regret is my old GW manager is back. Her replacement never remembers faces, and so I was able to get 5 csm over the course of a month. I could have gotten so many free skeletons 🥲
I'd be willing to bet any smart GW store manager might
1) Combine smaller token parts and give one person more than one to make up for them being token style
2) Might not include some of the token parts
3) Might give token parts to people they know are regular gamers and thus already customers who can buy CC themselves; whilst giving larger models to newer people who might well be far newer to the hobby or known beginners.
In the end its a free model and if someone gets a tiny free model and it ends their hobby experience; chances are they were going to end their GW hobby anyway.
"As with Nightwars, this expansion contains no miniatures, but you can acquire each of the required units in turn as you head out on your quest to hunt them down one by one. You’ll need a Wight King and a Necromancer, and a unit each of Grave Guard, Vargheists, and Dire Wolves. "
Well then. I guess the expansions are a cheap effort to recover some of the development cost after the initial release sunk Cursed City as a continuously available Warhammer Quest entry, and now they release them quickly to make way for a new, non-cursed entry next year? Possibly 40k again?
So only 2 expansions. Both require you to buy the miniatures seperately at no discount. And the second expansion is only playable if you have the first expansion.
Grail Seeker wrote: So only 2 expansions. Both require you to buy the miniatures seperately at no discount. And the second expansion is only playable if you have the first expansion.
Thats terrible design.
Well... at least the chars are the rather inexpensive ones...
I said it before and I'll say it again - someone at GW management level wants CC to fail/dislikes the designer of thegame/something internal politics.
I can see how they might have made the story aspects of the expansions tighter and thus needing A to get into B - that's honestly fine. The problem comes when its no models, again, and when its a one and done print run of cardstock.
If they done some bundle discounts; if they'd at least made the expansions medium term with new print runs not one and done at least then it would have had a chance.
I'm sure it will sell out, but I'd wager they could have sold way more than whatever stock they've got inventoried for it. Just such a shame - the core box is fantastic.
PS that OR CC was an experiment in making a Quest system focused on 1 army, soulblight. At which point it actually makes some sense and works - you build CC and then alongside you've invested enough to build a Soulblight army. Which is valid, viable and honestly the only sane way to buy into it now. It's just sort of backwards in that instead of CC encouraging you into Soulblight, Soulblight is encouraging you into CC
My main disappointment is that this is the final expansion!
The new unit cards together with their encounter cards are what I'm mostly looking forward to, as these add variety to the base game. As a Underworlds player I now have an additional reason to get the new grave guard warband. The rest of the models I'll likely proxy.
Hopeful we'll get a hero or two (through white dwarf?)
This "expansion" just proves how stupid conspiracy theories about other Ulfenkarn vampires or Inquisitor duo being "obviously" CC models (despite oh, having options, wrong sprues, wrong bases, not being ETB, etc, etc) were. It's obvious GW just thrown random models into both "expansions" - unless someone is going to seriously claim that Necromancer was ""intended"" for CC too?
That said, I am now really curious what happened. CC disappearing for a year, all expansions for it being totally scrapped, two low effort ones being pushed out instead to not make past press releases about planned "expansions" false advertising - it starts to look more and more like someone pushed nuclear button on IP rights or something equally critical and we're now seeing fallout from it...
PS that OR CC was an experiment in making a Quest system focused on 1 army, soulblight. At which point it actually makes some sense and works - you build CC and then alongside you've invested enough to build a Soulblight army. Which is valid, viable and honestly the only sane way to buy into it now. It's just sort of backwards in that instead of CC encouraging you into Soulblight, Soulblight is encouraging you into CC
It's a bit of a return to Silver Tower which gave you a good starter for a Tzeetch army.
I do wonder if Soulblight Gravelords are getting a Christmas bundle with a lot of the stuff for these two expansions.
Irbis wrote: That said, I am now really curious what happened. CC disappearing for a year, all expansions for it being totally scrapped, two low effort ones being pushed out instead to not make past press releases about planned "expansions" false advertising - it starts to look more and more like someone pushed nuclear button on IP rights or something equally critical and we're now seeing fallout from it...
There's nothing in CC that you could push an IP button on.
And if it was GW could easily just change bits of the lore and fluff to fit. The idea of the game is super common - witch hunters and vampire hunters against bestial vampires in a city setting. It's bog standard generic that GW have been doing for decades.
I think its much more likely some internal politics, resource allocation and such. For whatever reason CC started with the green light to be a major project and then at some point things went wrong and it lost and became a side project. Heck it might even just be that CC did "ok" but other projects (eg Old World?) came along and gobbled up the production, mound and design slots leaving CC with nothing to work with.
It’s such a shame about whatever happened to this game and how they’ve decided to deal with it. A lot of possibilities and they seem to be shutting it down in a hurry.
In this case you can buy the mins for £117 which is a bit cheaper, and there's lots more (25) of them. Unlike the last box, I actually think they could have put this out as a £90 boxed expansion and it would have looked reasonable in terms of content.
Despite having a similar cost of mins (£125) Nightwars it was just 7 of them, which would have just looked ridiculous.
I for one would love if they rolled with the current warcry theme and made the next WQ about a team up of various chaos types infiltrating a Seraphon city to plunder stuff.
Because warcry has great character models, and I would just looooove to see new Saurus warriors in whatever form.
And of course the novelty of 'good guys' being the 'bad guys'.
Not sure that's novel anymore. Lots of IPs have done or are doing the 'Order is secretly bad authoritarianism' gimmick. The new AoS novel (Godeater's Son) is being billed as exactly that by WarCom.
Early warhammer flirted with it too (the Gods of Law were not good), not surprising given the Moorcock influence.
Voss wrote: Not sure that's novel anymore. Lots of IPs have done or are doing the 'Order is secretly bad authoritarianism' gimmick. The new AoS novel (Godeater's Son) is being billed as exactly that by WarCom.
Early warhammer flirted with it too (the Gods of Law were not good), not surprising given the Moorcock influence.
No, you're not understanding- I'm not saying the Seraphon are the mustache twirling "the good guys are bad guys!" that warhammer has always kinda flirted with - its just that the mooks and mobs just happen to be from a good guy faction and -perhaps finally- your group of murder hobos that RPGs are always made of has ever reason and excuse to live out their best murder hobo life without regrets or apologies.
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