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... place your bets people.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
I guess the WarCry bands that have been teasered are a safe bet - maybe the next Killteam box on top of that, the cover of the next AoO book with Farsight that we basically know already, whatever for Heresy, and if'im allowed to dream: the next book for Necromunda.
Probably not gonna get all of that.
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Post by: zedmeister
Not much specialist games on there beyond heresy...
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Post by: Tsagualsa
The Arbites KT got sneak-peaked on GW social media:
Source: https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1617507727387013122
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Post by: Gert
I love it.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Careful, that dog may be a disguised Tempestus Scion 
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Post by: Matrindur
Killteam and Warcry will be their respective next boxsets thought i don't think we will see the full Warcry set already, probably only one side or single models for each.
For Horus Heresy we still have the Cerberus, "Librarian" and the "Assassin"? But since we have already seen the Typhon we basically already know how the Cerberus will looks like and the other two are probably resin or at least only small models so if they actually want a bigger reveal they will have to show something new.
Age of Sigmar will probably be Seraphon since they are rumoured to be the next book for March.
40k will probably be the next AoO book with Farsight and Snikrot but the question is if we will see more or if that will be all?
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Post by: Tsagualsa
 Matrindur wrote:Killteam and Warcry will be their respective next boxsets thought i don't think we will see the full Warcry set already, probably only one side or single models for each.
For Horus Heresy we still have the Cerberus, "Librarian" and the "Assassin"? But since we have already seen the Typhon we basically already know how the Cerberus will looks like and the other two are probably resin or at least only small models so if they actually want a bigger reveal they will have to show something new.
Age of Sigmar will probably be Seraphon since they are rumoured to be the next book for March.
40k will probably be the next AoO book with Farsight and Snikrot but the question is if we will see something else or if that will be all?
Last year had the following:
40k: Eldar Shining Spears, Maugan Ra, Avatar of Khaine
AoS: Arena of Shades Battlebox
Heresy: Ka'Bandha, general of Khorne
KT: single model for the Corsairs from the Nachmund Box
Necromunda: animated trailer for Ash Wastes, no models
WarCry: nil
Underworlds: nil
So, basically one big reveal, one big-ish reveal, a smattering of models for 2-3 other systems and some hype without models.
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Post by: Matrindur
Tsagualsa wrote:
Last year had the following:
40k: Eldar Shining Spears, Maugan Ra, Avatar of Khaine
AoS: Arena of Shades Battlebox
Heresy: Ka'Bandha, general of Khorne
KT: single model for the Corsairs from the Nachmund Box
Necromunda: animated trailer for Ash Wastes, no models
WarCry: nil
Underworlds: nil
So, basically one big reveal, one big-ish reveal, a smattering of models for 2-3 other systems and some hype without models.
I really hope Seraphon will be the big reveal this time both the faction and AoS could use some focus
Pessimistically I only expect the full Kill Team set, a single model for Warcry, the two small Heresy models with the Cerberus beeing revealed on Thursday, probably only one or two teaser models for Seraphon and Farsight for 40k
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
DOG!
Great mini.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
In the shot with background, it looks like it's standing on a larger scale tactical holo display, similar to the one that one GSC tactician has:
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Might be a new boarding action terrain accessory sprue. The other boxes had them.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Might be a new boarding action terrain accessory sprue. The other boxes had them.
Very likely, scatter terrain or objective marker probably.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
So KT Arbites vs unknown (Dark Eldar? Genestealers?).
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Post by: GaroRobe
It’s weird but I’m not in love with the dog. It’s okay I guess? But it’s not great enough for me to even look for it separately on eBay, even for my inquisitor retinue. Is something wrong with me? Automatically Appended Next Post:
Dark Eldar are the current rumor
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Post by: xttz
Dark Eldar were in the new year preview video so some kind of Beastmaster / Trueborn kit seems likely.
They will have kept the KT box aside to show at LVO because 40k likely doesn't have a ton of stuff in the near future aside from various single character models. Most probably it'll be Adepticon that gets to show off AoO Book 5, The Lion, and maybe those rumoured new marine models. Meanwhile the focus for this week will be on Seraphon and other games instead of 40k.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
 GaroRobe wrote:It’s weird but I’m not in love with the dog. It’s okay I guess? But it’s not great enough for me to even look for it separately on eBay, even for my inquisitor retinue. Is something wrong with me?
It is not a bad model but I am also not hyped for it.
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Post by: Gert
GaroRobe wrote:It’s weird but I’m not in love with the dog. It’s okay I guess? But it’s not great enough for me to even look for it separately on eBay, even for my inquisitor retinue. Is something wrong with me?
Yes. All Warhammer dogs are instantly good.
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Post by: Kinetochore
I'd be more excited for follow up AoO books it it was actually possible to get hold of the first book....
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Post by: Theophony
Tactical dog poop on the base too
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Post by: Tsagualsa
We need at least one Arbite with one of these flimsy little plastic bags. Or, alternatively, a bag dispenser as an objective marker.
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Post by: Theophony
Tsagualsa wrote:
We need at least one Arbite with one of these flimsy little plastic bags. Or, alternatively, a bag dispenser as an objective marker.
Servo skull  , You really  up in life if you are brought back as a floating skull whose only job is to follow the cyber mastiff and clean up it's
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Post by: warboss
I like the cyberdog!
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Post by: Sabotage!
This made me laugh out loud. Well done! Automatically Appended Next Post:  Shadow Walker wrote: GaroRobe wrote:It’s weird but I’m not in love with the dog. It’s okay I guess? But it’s not great enough for me to even look for it separately on eBay, even for my inquisitor retinue. Is something wrong with me?
It is not a bad model but I am also not hyped for it.
Same. I love dogs, and logically I love dog miniatures. In the last few years GW has made some AWESOME ones (Starstriders puppy, FW promo Arbite Mastiff, Necromunda cyber mastiff, the dogs in the Underworlds Hexbane’s set….love them all). This one just seems fine.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's easy to mock when all you do is parrot rumormongers.
Anyway, I'm sold on the doggo. Guess we know why they didn't put more than one out for the Palanite Enforcers for Necromunda.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Stuff for 6 systems is pretty good, even without Munda.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Nothing for Specialist Games, in addition to no Specialist Games sneak preview for the year, at least lends credence to the various vague not-quite rumours of something huge coming from them later this year. Tinfoiled hope is hope too
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Kanluwen wrote:It's easy to mock when all you do is parrot rumormongers.
Anyway, I'm sold on the doggo. Guess we know why they didn't put more than one out for the Palanite Enforcers for Necromunda.
It’s easy to mock when you use visual clues and relatively reliable sources rather than picking an incredibly unlikely outcome and arguing it against any reason or sense.
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Post by: Geifer
 Sabotage! wrote: Shadow Walker wrote: GaroRobe wrote:It’s weird but I’m not in love with the dog. It’s okay I guess? But it’s not great enough for me to even look for it separately on eBay, even for my inquisitor retinue. Is something wrong with me?
It is not a bad model but I am also not hyped for it.
Same. I love dogs, and logically I love dog miniatures. In the last few years GW has made some AWESOME ones (Starstriders puppy, FW promo Arbite Mastiff, Necromunda cyber mastiff, the dogs in the Underworlds Hexbane’s set….love them all). This one just seems fine.
Starstrider puppy is the goodest boy. Hmm, maybe if you paint the Arbites doggo as as Cyber-Scooby...
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Post by: Binabik15
I love that doggo. He's majestic. And goofy.
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Post by: drbored
Alright, here's what I'm calling...
Warhammer 40k: They'll reveal Farsight and Snikrot and the last Arks of Omen book title.
Age of Sigmar: Seraphon, maybe teasers of Dawnbringer Crusades
Horus Heresy: More tanks, but gods above I hope it's Assault Marines.
Kill Team: Arbites vs Trueborn Kabalites
Warcry: Khorne Cultists vs Vampire Hunters
Underworlds: The last deck and warband for this season, which I'm going to guess is... Shadow Elves.
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Post by: Olthannon
Well I can't resist Arbites, providing they are in keeping with the originals of course.
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Post by: Tastyfish
Already shadow previewed Farsight and Snikrot seems a little thin on the ground for 40K, is Adepticon in March then the start of the three month hype train to 10th ed?
If that were the case it feels like that AoS would need a big preview
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Post by: Voss
Sadly, no. Its what they've been doing with all the KT/Voidborn stuff this season. Black bases with tiny piles of random stuff that we're supposed to take as metal debris from Space Hulk interiors.
Supposedly there will be proper sculpted bases at some point, but they apparently don't even have them for studio pictures yet.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
 Tastyfish wrote:Already shadow previewed Farsight and Snikrot seems a little thin on the ground for 40K, is Adepticon in March then the start of the three month hype train to 10th ed?
If that were the case it feels like that AoS would need a big preview
They can always show artwork of a single turd floating in a toilet bowl on the Rock™ to announce that the Lion finally took his morning dump to start the hypetrain on AoO book 5, the 'secret' one where totally nobody knows what it's about.
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Post by: Thargrim
I just want a Leagues of Votann killteam, whether it's a new kit or rules for the hearthkyn warriors.
A little disappointed to see no specialist games. I was hoping for a blood bowl team announcement, oh well.
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Post by: beast_gts
Voss wrote:Supposedly there will be proper sculpted bases at some point, but they apparently don't even have them for studio pictures yet.
Do you mean these ones?
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Post by: lost_lilliputian
I'm also someone a bit disappointed there is no Blood Bowl preview included at the LVO.
However it looks like they didn't do a Blood Bowl preview at LVO last year either.
Which makes me ask, when do they show any Blood Bowl? Would that be at Adepticon?
Anyway count me interested to see what these Arbites look like and what all the hype is about.
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Post by: Dread Master
It would blow if the Arbites kit is one of those that they’ve been sitting on a long time, and ends up looking like the Chaos Termies did when compared to the redone Legionnaires.
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Post by: Leggy
My wild guess is they'll do a Vs box for 40k with one of the Arks of Omen protagonists. They've got a new Azreal and some kind of Heavy Weapon Primaris, so maybe Dark Angels against... someone??
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Post by: ZergSmasher
I'm disappointed at the lack of Middle-Earth. They came out with several good things for that game last year and I was hoping they'd keep up the pace. Oh well. 
I wonder if this is the right venue to announce the return of The Lion...
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Post by: drbored
 ZergSmasher wrote:I'm disappointed at the lack of Middle-Earth. They came out with several good things for that game last year and I was hoping they'd keep up the pace. Oh well.
I wonder if this is the right venue to announce the return of The Lion...
Depends largely on whether or not the Lion is coming as a model before 10th edition, as a 10th edition reveal, or post-10th launch.
Which in and of itself depends on whether the starter box for 10th is going to be Dark Angels vs Tyranids or the rumored Blood Angels. Could go either way.
If they release the Lion before 10th ed, then it'd likely be part of the narrative of the Arks of Omen, which I don't really see happening...
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Would GW release 2 Primarch models so close to each other? Angron is about to come out.
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Post by: flaherty
I have a feeling we'll see the next "ascended" primarch as the Horus Heresy entry. Perhaps a radiant Sanguinius to bookend the new Horus?
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Post by: Bob Lorgar
How does the dog bite things? It looks like it has a speaker grill for a mouth.
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Post by: lost_lilliputian
Bob Lorgar wrote:How does the dog bite things? It looks like it has a speaker grill for a mouth.
It does. To make its bark sound louder.
The Arbites release the dogs. The dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Bob Lorgar wrote:How does the dog bite things? It looks like it has a speaker grill for a mouth.
I think that that grill is actually a muzzle, possibly remoted-controlled. You hit the button and seargant chompers is let loose. It's probably the same button that makes his sunglasses come down
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Post by: Shadow Walker
 MajorWesJanson wrote:Would GW release 2 Primarch models so close to each other? Angron is about to come out.
He is a deamon so do not count as a living Primarch 
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Post by: aracersss
... EC?
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Post by: Geifer
Emprah's Kiddies already got a set of characters and that doesn't look like a Marine. Can we look forward to eighteen Horus Heresy Thursdays featuring vehicle upgrade sets?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
"We've heard the requests. We know you want Mk.VI Assault Troops and other specialist infantry units for your Age of Darkness armies, so Forge World are proud to announce a series of 18 different sets of resin doors that will fit with the new plastic vehicle kits! We will show two new sets every week for the next 9 weeks!"
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Post by: Nevelon
That looks like the old marking from the vehicle transfer sheet for vehicle squad/number markings.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Bob Lorgar wrote:How does the dog bite things? It looks like it has a speaker grill for a mouth.
If you look closely on the version with white background, those are hinged to act as an automatic muzzle.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Thats a "3" in roman numerals on what is clearly a space marine vehicle door. The 3rd legion was the Emperors Children, and that appears to be their pre-heresy color scheme. Its probably a preview for Horus Heresy which means *gasp* GUYS, PLASTIC Mk3 marines resculpt confirmed!!!
Am I doing this over-analysis thing correctly?
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Nah that's a vehicle marking for the studios SM poster boys, the Ultramarines 2nd company.
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Post by: xttz
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Nah that's a vehicle marking for the studios SM poster boys, the Ultramarines 2nd company.
Looks like it either the Ultramarines 2rd company or their 3nd company...
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Post by: Gadzilla666
Mark V Assault Marines please? Barring that, an announcement of the Agents of the Warmaster book with Daemons of the Ruinstorm and Cults and Militia? Because at this point, I think that the free PDFs for those are out the window.......
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Post by: The Phazer
Yep, that's the Codex Astartes third squad Rhino or third of any given support tank marking to a tank assigned to the Ultramarines 2nd company. I assume it's a Brutalis Dreadnought tease honestly - note that the studio army Redemptor Dreadnaught has exactly the same marking on it's left breast but number 2. I assume it'll have some panelling similar to the Ironclad.
It's nothing to do with any known EC marking.
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Post by: Azreal13
I mean, that's a pretty strong statement given these exist..
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Post by: drbored
 Gadzilla666 wrote: Mark V Assault Marines please? Barring that, an announcement of the Agents of the Warmaster book with Daemons of the Ruinstorm and Cults and Militia? Because at this point, I think that the free PDFs for those are out the window.......
Yeah, would be nice. 30k is basically in a very confused state with certain armies.
If you're Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, or Iron Warriors, you're having a grand old time.
If you are nearly anything else, you're missing at least 1/4th of your army in units that aren't in plastic yet, or books that aren't available yet.
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Post by: Tallonian4th
The Lion coming so close to another Primarch and EC coming so close to World Eaters seems like GW releasing too much too soon. I'd not be surprised if Lion was saved to be a 'tent pole' model next year, woven into the narrative of 10th. EC wise I could see them being the launch faction for 11th and getting a range more comparable to DG. We would then have two 'fleshed out' Heretic factions and two 'minor' ones (then hopefully they can finally flesh out TSons).
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Tallonian4th wrote:The Lion coming so close to another Primarch and EC coming so close to World Eaters seems like GW releasing too much too soon. I'd not be surprised if Lion was saved to be a 'tent pole' model next year, woven into the narrative of 10th. EC wise I could see them being the launch faction for 11th and getting a range more comparable to DG. We would then have two 'fleshed out' Heretic factions and two 'minor' ones (then hopefully they can finally flesh out TSons).
If the current predictions are true, the Lion will be introduced in May with book 5 of AoO, and probably be previewed/revealed at Adepticon in March or even Warhammer Fest in April - at that point, it will be 8 to 10 months since the first image leak of Angron. It only feels close because Angron was known almost half a year before he was commercially available. If their original plan had worked out, they would have been released practically at the same time.
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Post by: xttz
Tsagualsa wrote:Tallonian4th wrote:The Lion coming so close to another Primarch and EC coming so close to World Eaters seems like GW releasing too much too soon. I'd not be surprised if Lion was saved to be a 'tent pole' model next year, woven into the narrative of 10th. EC wise I could see them being the launch faction for 11th and getting a range more comparable to DG. We would then have two 'fleshed out' Heretic factions and two 'minor' ones (then hopefully they can finally flesh out TSons).
If the current predictions are true, the Lion will be introduced in May with book 5 of AoO, and probably be previewed/revealed at Adepticon in March or even Warhammer Fest in April - at that point, it will be 8 to 10 months since the first image leak of Angron. It only feels close because Angron was known almost half a year before he was commercially available. If their original plan had worked out, they would have been released practically at the same time.
Yeah I think they'll show The Lion at Adepticon, and save Warhammerfest to focus on the new edition stuff. If today's teaser really is the rumoured new 40k dreadnought I expect it'll only be that shown, with the rest of the boxed set kept for Adepticon too.
Realistically between Guard wave 2 / World Eaters in February and 10th edition in likely late June, 40k doesn't seem to have a lot coming in terms of new kits. We're looking at 4-5 single character models plus whatever new space marine units to cover 3-4 months.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
Tallonian4th wrote:The Lion coming so close to another Primarch and EC coming so close to World Eaters seems like GW releasing too much too soon. I'd not be surprised if Lion was saved to be a 'tent pole' model next year, woven into the narrative of 10th. EC wise I could see them being the launch faction for 11th and getting a range more comparable to DG. We would then have two 'fleshed out' Heretic factions and two 'minor' ones (then hopefully they can finally flesh out TSons).
It's hard to be fleshed out when you're nothing but dust.
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Post by: tneva82
Tallonian4th wrote:The Lion coming so close to another Primarch and EC coming so close to World Eaters seems like GW releasing too much too soon. I'd not be surprised if Lion was saved to be a 'tent pole' model next year, woven into the narrative of 10th. EC wise I could see them being the launch faction for 11th and getting a range more comparable to DG. We would then have two 'fleshed out' Heretic factions and two 'minor' ones (then hopefully they can finally flesh out TSons).
Seeing they have been releasing god dedicated marines one per edition pace i expect ec in 10th
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Post by: drbored
Tallonian4th wrote:The Lion coming so close to another Primarch and EC coming so close to World Eaters seems like GW releasing too much too soon. I'd not be surprised if Lion was saved to be a 'tent pole' model next year, woven into the narrative of 10th. EC wise I could see them being the launch faction for 11th and getting a range more comparable to DG. We would then have two 'fleshed out' Heretic factions and two 'minor' ones (then hopefully they can finally flesh out TSons).
When Magnus came out, Guilliman was right behind.
Mortarion then came out.
So now we're getting Angron and potentially the Lion right behind.
And then later on, Fulgrim will come out.
Pattern-detecting monkey-brain says this checks out.
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Post by: DaveC
Well that’s Seraphon confirmed
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Post by: Scottywan82
Please be plastic Kroxigor. Please be plastic Kroxigor. Please be plastic Kroxigor.
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Post by: NAVARRO
I see bugs in there... Nids?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
 Scottywan82 wrote:Please be plastic Kroxigor. Please be plastic Kroxigor. Please be plastic Kroxigor.
And new Saurus Cavalry.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
A new single plastic Skink Priest on Floaty Chair... and a book/dice/cards set.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Exodite Genestealer Cult.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
H.B.M.C. wrote:A new single plastic Skink Priest on Floaty Chair... and a book/dice/cards set.
Perhaps new Skinks in general? As old kits go they’re not awful, but I’d love to see what sort of sculpting they’re capable of.
Note I almost said “see what they can do these days” but that would include halve the contents and increase the price. So I shan’t.
Oh.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Tsagualsa wrote:
Nothing for Specialist Games, in addition to no Specialist Games sneak preview for the year, at least lends credence to the various vague not-quite rumours of something huge coming from them later this year. Tinfoiled hope is hope too
Eh there are 4 game systems on the list that aren't 40k or AoS. I'm not sure if being a Specialist Game or not is still a meaningful distinction.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:A new single plastic Skink Priest on Floaty Chair... and a book/dice/cards set.
Perhaps new Skinks in general? As old kits go they’re not awful, but I’d love to see what sort of sculpting they’re capable of.
Note I almost said “see what they can do these days” but that would include halve the contents and increase the price. So I shan’t.
Oh.
Of the 2, I’d much rather Saurus got redone if it’s one or the other. I think the Skinks have aged a lot better.
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Post by: GaroRobe
It honestly bugs me how inconsistent they are with skinks. The bastilodon and ripperdactyl riders came out before AOS, but are relatively new models in the range. Then the underworlds team came out and now skinks have ear holes and other differences that slightly irk me.
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Post by: EviscerationPlague
Nah, the snake #2 thing has teeth, much like a Lion.
Lionel Johnson confirmed
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Post by: Tsagualsa
If they do the Dark Angels ''I'' numeral tomorrow people are gonna go insane
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Post by: aracersss
... speaking of the devil ...
Fixing a points error
We’ve spotted a slight points error on the latest Munitorum Field Manual. It seems Space Marine Inceptors were running around with a pair of free plasma exterminators – which is a little unfair to their assault bolter-wielding battle brothers. Rather than wait three months for the next quarterly update, we thought we’d better make a quick change now – it’s +10 points each. Still deadly, but you have to pay for it.
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Post by: Dudeface
There's some rumours on B&C re 10th that I cba copying over or creating a thread for, but supposedly first 10th tidbits will drop at adepticon, so whatever is shown at LVO isn't 10th apparently.
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Post by: tneva82
Not a surprise,. Gw hasn't shown editions this early generally. Usually more of may so even adepticon would be unusually early
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Post by: chaos0xomega
iirc 9th ed 40k and 3rd ed aos were both previewed at adepticon in prior years. i remember watching the adepticon livestream and seeing the first reveal for 9th ed 40k on the stream pretty distinctly as it was right at the start of the pandemic, basically, while a lot of the world was in early stages of lockdown. They didn't tell us much about it, but they certainly revealed it.
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Post by: tneva82
Hmm possible i misremember and mix with first real peek of models/changes. Just saying something known for months might not register in memory anymore
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Post by: strigops
chaos0xomega wrote:iirc 9th ed 40k and 3rd ed aos were both previewed at adepticon in prior years. i remember watching the adepticon livestream and seeing the first reveal for 9th ed 40k on the stream pretty distinctly as it was right at the start of the pandemic, basically, while a lot of the world was in early stages of lockdown. They didn't tell us much about it, but they certainly revealed it.
Aos 3rd edition was annonced at 2021 warhammer fest, while 9th edition wasn't at any event, it was in an online preview in may. Neither could have been previewed at adepticon because it was cancelled due to covid.
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Post by: alphaecho
Tsagualsa wrote:If they do the Dark Angels ''I'' numeral tomorrow people are gonna go insane
Just as long as people accept that any reveals may not be as earh shattering as their internal hype meter has built them up to be, especially if they imagine what is going to be released.
Unless that cyber doggie is part of a full plastic Praetorian IG range. That would make my bald head grow hair again.
See how easy it is to get over excited. Guess I'd best prepare for disappointment.
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Post by: aracersss
is it weird we had 2 KT teasers, but no 40k one at all?
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Post by: drbored
We did have three. Snikrot, Farsight, and the Missile launcher space marine.
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Post by: aracersss
drbored wrote:
We did have three. Snikrot, Farsight, and the Missile launcher space marine.
based on the LVO teasers
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Well, consider that every KT kit is also a 40k kit...
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Post by: Voss
Not really? The show is at feth-off o'clock tonight/tomorrow morning for whatever reason (and like last year, will likely be live streamed from Nottingham rather than the event, so the why??? of that remains inscrutable), and there's only so much they can preview of the preview, before just doing the event previews of the Sunday previews of the preorders for the next couple months.
That we're getting 40k previews is kind of a given, even without the systems specified.
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Post by: Matrindur
I would say Arbites? and Slann on the sides, the middle kind of looks like Admech but has to be something else right?
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Middle looks like some Soulblight big boss with a bat familiar on his shoulder.
Definitely Arbites and Slann though
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Post by: John D Law
There’s that floating mech bubble seen earlier next to the arbite.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That'll be some sort of Servo-[Something] for the Arbites, no doubt.
Anyway, starting right about now...
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Only saw two of the questions the twitch had before the start of the stream, but one was about Arbites, and the other soulblight vampires. I think that gives away two of the reveals.
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Post by: Geifer
Can't sleep, woke up early, so now I'm going to have to watch the stream...
Nice of the presenter twins to wear different shirts so you can tell them apart.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hey look: Valrak was right.
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Post by: Miguelsan
For our 1st reveal we got even more ridiculous looking weapons for marines.
M.
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Dread is pretty cool, Lieutenant is a decent sculpt in saturated range
Desolators were inevitable but nothing could brace me for how absurd tacticool Devastators would look
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Post by: CMLR
Brutalis Dread straight out from Austin Powers
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Post by: Kanluwen
Desolators are...loooool.
Where's the "yo dawg, I heard you like..." meme when you need it?
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Post by: Geifer
Those guns are ridiculous. Dreadnought suffers from the usual gun overload we get these days.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
 Miguelsan wrote:For our 1st reveal we got even more ridiculous looking weapons for marines.
M.
Sergeant Cable one-handing his gun is utterly ridiculous, not as badass as the sculptor hoped.
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Post by: Miguelsan
I love the weapon with little rockets with larger rockets attached.
M.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I kinda love 'em. Dread's fun. The new Lt. is what the Lt kits should have always been. "It's what Warhammer 40,000 players love; being able to customise their heroes." *cough* Chaos Lord kit *cough*
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Post by: CMLR
In doubt, Primaris Lieutenant
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Post by: Azreal13
Seems to have slipped out on FB a little early as the link accompanying it is doa.
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Post by: streetsamurai
wow, that lieutenant looks bad. Looks stiff as hell
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Certainly warming to the Lieutenant, much prefer a multi-part kit, not just because it means bitz
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Post by: Geifer
Yeah, Lieutenant is nice, with options and all.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Vashtorr vs. Azrael on the Rock...
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Post by: Olthannon
That's a rumour engine gone I believe, quite like them. I suppose I can watch this happening on my commute to work.
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Post by: Breotan
I really dislike the design of the Desolation squad's weapons. These guys are becoming a parody of themselves at this point.
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Post by: Azreal13
Yo dawg, I heard you like missile launchers...
It's really a parody at this point. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Breotan wrote:I really dislike the design Desolation squad's weapons. These guys are becoming a parody of themselves at this point.
Jinx!
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Post by: John D Law
The sergeants missile launcher is ridiculous 😆
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Absolutely love those Saurus
Skink cav look fantastic, so does the Slaan, but those Saurus, man
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Post by: streetsamurai
ohhh new saurus are great. skinks cavalry seems like they were sculpted apart from the mounts. Almost like the old 90's models. Slann is absolutely fantastic, and hes customisable
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
New Saurus are nice.
[EDIT]: Ok, it's a Slaan. We get it. MOVE ON.
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Post by: Apple fox
The missiles guns look stupid. Just so stupid and embarrassing.
Could have had a cool shoulder mount or something.
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Post by: Geifer
The frog isn't bad, but man. I'm not usually as quick as others to worry about how modern GW models are sculpted to look floating, but I'd be seriously paranoid about those thin bits of vegetation breaking on me.
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Post by: CMLR
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
OVIRAPTORS!
NEW WARRIORS!
HAVE MY FIRSTBORN CHILD!
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Post by: Olthannon
I like these a lot. The raptors are excellent. Hooray for skinks
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Heh. New Warband "Gryselle's Arenai" leaked on Instragram.
Sisters of Slaughter warband.
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Post by: streetsamurai
really like the futurist weapon on some of the skinks. Hope we get some elite unit saurus with sci fi weapons
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Post by: Thargrim
Seeing all those primaris and then the deathwing included in that boxed set further highlights to me how much I hate primaris. The deathwing are infinitely cooler than anything primaris related that i've seen.
Saurus warriors look pretty great though. Not sure if I like the new metal shields more than the old scaled hide shields.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Still not sold on the bare, smooth chests of the Saurus. Given that they have no scales there, wouldn't it be better to wear armour there, rather than the hips?
Sculpts themselves are amazing, though!
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
 Thargrim wrote:Saurus warriors look pretty great though. Not sure if I like the new metal shields more than the old scaled hide shields.
Definitely torn on the shields, honestly. Wonder if I should stock up on Temple Guard bits
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Post by: streetsamurai
boring is the only word that comes to my mind.... dissapointing since i love sisters of slaughter
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Oh, those must be the best warbands so far. Absolutely brilliant on all counts
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Post by: streetsamurai
ok, that might be the best boxset ever. Not a big fan of the vampires fluff (very cliche) but wow, how cool are they
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Post by: Kanluwen
Hahaha, the Flesh Hound Cult!
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Thought the vampire bat-beast was a gnoll at first glance!
Flesh hound cosplayers is an interesting concept for a warband.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
How does one hunt blood, exactly? 
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Post by: Olthannon
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Stepping back to the "multi-part" Lieutenant... does he come with a Stormshield?
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Post by: Aecus Decimus
God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.
I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Wow, those SM missiles guns look so stupid that they became awesome.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I tell you what, if the Kill-Team Preview is "Here's an Arbite and a True-Born. Come back at Warhammer Fest for the full reveal!", there will be a riot.
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Post by: tneva82
And not even all seraphon. Lizards in summer so after gits kharardrons coming. Gw might just as well shown cover art for them. Now even less of a secret than 40k 10th ed
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Post by: Sotahullu
I expected Khorn(ish) type of warband but Karanak fan club was not something that came first to my mind or that Karanak fan club can be good looking.
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Post by: Snord
H.B.M.C. wrote:Stepping back to the "multi-part" Lieutenant... does he come with a Stormshield?
If he did, you'd expect them to show it on one of the variants.
I really like the new Redemptor. But the missile-toting Primaris are just...off... The shape of the weapons doesn't work, and why do they have little opening lids? I think I've pretty much embraced the aesthetics of the Heresy-era models.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sadly the new Sisters of Slaughter warband is far from inspiring. Geddit?  Snord wrote:If he did, you'd expect them to show it on one of the variants.
I ask because, well, no model no rule, and the one that is on sale won't be forever, and the only other Primaris Lt. w/Storm Shield was a limited edition mini.
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Post by: beast_gts
Cerberus has popped up on social media...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Wow! A tank kit? For HH?
That hardly ever happens!
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Post by: Shakalooloo
NO WAY that spotter fits through the hatch with his shoulder pads!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Murder elves are okeish but Saurus are really great! I am worried about Slann and his throne. So tiny supports for it are going to be very fragile.
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Post by: streetsamurai
ohhh these arbites are ace. Dark eldar are a bit meh though. I hate it when they make these bands so similar to minis that already exist
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Post by: Azreal13
K Team
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Heavy Stubber has a little bit of Smartgun to it.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Khorne band is awesome but vampires are kinda just there. Looks like at least one rumour engine is solved though.
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Post by: Miguelsan
Ahhhhhhhhhh. Space cops! Love them for the most part. If there are enough lowered visor helmets to cover the whole squad I'm sold.
M.
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Post by: CMLR
Godzillaphon has GOATed. Grass is more radioactive now.
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Post by: Breotan
Space Desks for Kill Team.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I must have those control panels... And I spot a Webber in that Arbite kit.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Cerberus looks amazing, now give me those Breachers!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Gimp mask is an interesting choice of kit for the fella with the cuffs, but at least it's not the Leashmaster
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Post by: Olthannon
Arbites look excellent, nice update to the previous kit and the old metal ones I already have will fit right in.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Miguelsan wrote:Ahhhhhhhhhh. Space cops! Love them for the most part. If there are enough lowered visor helmets to cover the whole squad I'm sold.
M.
They did say there's enough bits to make the whole squad with riot gear, so I presume that includes Lex-mandated helm regulations.
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Post by: streetsamurai
that was a great preview, deserved the hype for once
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
 streetsamurai wrote:ohhh these arbites are ace. Dark eldar are a bit meh though. I hate it when they make these bands so similar to minis that already exist
That's because it is an upgrade frame for existing Dark Eldar warrior kit. Still like the parts on it.
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Post by: Snord
The space cops do look good, for a bunch of fascist bully-boys. I feel a bit sorry for the dog though. How does he lick his doggy bits?
The nasty elves look terrible. I think it's the heads, but maybe even the underlying kit is starting to look a bit dated?
I have to find an excuse to fit a Cerberus into one of my 2 HH armies. That thing is easily more WH40k than any existing WH40k Marine vehicle. The (poorly named) Desolation squad shows just how far the current Marine models are straying from that aesthetic.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
MajorWesJanson wrote: streetsamurai wrote:ohhh these arbites are ace. Dark eldar are a bit meh though. I hate it when they make these bands so similar to minis that already exist
That's because it is an upgrade frame for existing Dark Eldar warrior kit. Still like the parts on it.
Disappointing that two of the options were 'slightly wych-y kabalite' and 'slightly wrack-esque kabalite', and 'arch-sybarite' is just a really weird title.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
I like both kill teams although Arbites are obviously cooller.
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Post by: Geifer
So the arena champion was not a one off and murder elves wear pants now? Disgusting.
I'm going to have to get used to the new look of Arbites. Not sure if I'll end up liking it yet. The models should make a nice base for Crusader conversions, though. Who knows how long it's going to take GW to make a box of those.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
The just upgrade sprue KT is always weaker than the completely brand new KT, however the Dark Eldar are so mehhhh I'm tempted not to buy the set as I doubt I will be able to sell them on to recoup some of my cost.
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Post by: JohnnyHell
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
I mean sure, if you’ve always enjoyed being wrong and want to carry on being wrong. Just use them alongisde your Ass-tarts and Cus-toads.
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Post by: ImAGeek
That was one of the best previews in a while.
The Marines with the missiles galore are clearly ridiculous but I don’t actually mind them. I really like the silhouette of the dreadnought.
The Lizardmen are the stars of the show for me. The current Saurus kit was my first Warhammer kit ever and these are a great update. They actually look like the art now. The Slann is excellent, I think I even prefer it to Kroak. And new feathered dinos. And that’s like half the stuff coming for them!
The Warcry box impressed me even following the lizards which says something. Love the ascetic monk Soulblight, particularly the pariah I think it was called with the bat on his shoulder, and the werewolf/bat/creature. The Khorne band are cool as well, I like how the leader has a mask and two skulls to imitate the three heads of Karanak.
The DoK warband is eh. The models are fine but it’s the third DoK band and I was hoping g for something different.
Cerberus is cool but not much to say. It’s a Cerberus but plastic.
Really like the Arbites. It’s very 40k that the Enforcers on Necromunda are fairly grounded sci-fi cops and then the 40k supercops are dressed almost like medieval knights. I don’t have the same connection to Arbites as some, they were mostly before my time, but it’s always cool to see old 40k ideas redone.
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Post by: streetsamurai
MajorWesJanson wrote: streetsamurai wrote:ohhh these arbites are ace. Dark eldar are a bit meh though. I hate it when they make these bands so similar to minis that already exist
That's because it is an upgrade frame for existing Dark Eldar warrior kit. Still like the parts on it.
yea, they said it after a made by comment. Weird decision, they should have use the occasion to remake the whole kit, since its starting to look dated
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Post by: ImAGeek
streetsamurai wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: streetsamurai wrote:ohhh these arbites are ace. Dark eldar are a bit meh though. I hate it when they make these bands so similar to minis that already exist
That's because it is an upgrade frame for existing Dark Eldar warrior kit. Still like the parts on it.
yea, they said it after a made by comment. Weird decision, they should have use the occasion to remake the whole kit, since its starting to look dated
People keep saying this, I think the DE warrior kit has held up really well.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
Wish the judge had an overcoat to be honest, that's the only main disappointment. Maybe that could come later with a character.
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Post by: Chopstick
Man I wish they at least make new pattern for those splinter weapon like a new shuriken weapon for the Corsair, or at least a left hand Blaster, instead we got Kabalite 2.0 with....not-imperium needle pistol and a hand throwing grenade, Corsair even make a right hand version for Neuro disruptor and Fusion pistol
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Post by: Shakalooloo
It's a stinger, a traditionally haemonculus weapon.
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Post by: Dudeface
Chopstick wrote:Man I wish they at least make new pattern for those splinter weapon like a new shuriken weapon for the Corsair, or at least a left hand Blaster, instead we got Kabalite 2.0 with....not-imperium needle pistol and a hand throwing grenade, Corsair even make a right hand version for Neuro disruptor and Fusion pistol
Of all the things to complain about...
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Post by: Chopstick
Well clearly it's not the imperium needle pistol i'm talking about. this one didn't even had a needle.
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Post by: streetsamurai
 ImAGeek wrote: streetsamurai wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: streetsamurai wrote:ohhh these arbites are ace. Dark eldar are a bit meh though. I hate it when they make these bands so similar to minis that already exist
That's because it is an upgrade frame for existing Dark Eldar warrior kit. Still like the parts on it.
yea, they said it after a made by comment. Weird decision, they should have use the occasion to remake the whole kit, since its starting to look dated
People keep saying this, I think the DE warrior kit has held up really well.
theyre not terrible (weird to say since they probably were the best kit ever when they were released a decade or two ago....how time fly), but they are a far cry from the quality of modern gw kit
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
As someone who bought Dark Eldar just to use them as adversaries in the various 40k RPGs, the prospect of a set that turns regular DE Warriors into a unit of unique specialists is just wonderful.  JohnnyHell wrote:I mean sure, if you’ve always enjoyed being wrong and want to carry on being wrong. Just use them alongisde your Ass-tarts and Cus-toads.
Such a pleasant individual, as always. 
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Post by: Garfield666
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
"Uh-dab-toos Aar-bee-tas" 
Dang, the Killteam and 40k stuff looks really tempting. As much as I dieslike giving anymore money to GW, these boxes could get me to do so...
Lets see if they are available in sufficient numbers from my favourite mailorder... Don't know if the artificial shortage still persists or if GW has ceased to go that route.
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Post by: Aecus Decimus
I'm shocked to see another upgrade sprue for the Spartan kit, who could have seen this coming? I suppose at least, like all the 30k tanks so far, it looks exactly like the FW kit is replacing.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
Ar-bai-tes surely?
That's how I always pronounced it.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
 Kid_Kyoto wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
Ar-bai-tes surely?
That's how I always pronounced it.
Ar-bih-teez? The 'I' as in 'Imperial'?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Kid_Kyoto wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
Ar-bai-tes surely?
That's how I always pronounced it.
My job involves Ar-bih-tration. Not Ar-Bee-tration. It’s Ar-bites.
Like….
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Post by: alphaecho
Aecus Decimus wrote:I'm shocked to see another upgrade sprue for the Spartan kit, who could have seen this coming? I suppose at least, like all the 30k tanks so far, it looks exactly like the FW kit is replacing.
Only missing the filler on the former's poorly cast parts?
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Post by: Olthannon
Ar-beet-ies always makes me think of the old hobby shop Beatties here in the UK.
I always say Ar-bites, an arbiter isn't an Ar-beeter.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
This set of previews has fair knocked my socks off.
Decent amount of stuff shown off across the games. Particularly impressed with the new Seraphon stuff, especially the Saurus who now look suitably beefy and dangerous.
Also lots of Rumour Engines solved.
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Post by: Altruizine
Reminds me of the old Van Saar heavy stubber. Looks like another design that might have been fished out of the past and/or the sculptor's youth.
https://brushwithdestiny.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/vansaarspecweaps.jpg?w=2000&h=
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Post by: Tsagualsa
JohnnyHell wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
I mean sure, if you’ve always enjoyed being wrong and want to carry on being wrong. Just use them alongisde your Ass-tarts and Cus-toads.
Cuss-toads are called Slann now, get with the times grandpa!
The Arbites are the star of the show for sure, directly followed by the Khornate furries and the Shaolin bloodsuckers, although i don't like most of their faces.
Brutalis dreadnought... meh... at this point they'll soon stick grots on Primaris vehicles to accompagnie the glut of silly weapons.
As for the missile dudes - i don't even think they look that bad, but the belt-feeds for ??? are an extremely weird design choice. I guess their modular main weapon is a decent source for hunter-killer missiles and such for future conversions
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I can't say I NEED more Arbites,
but I certainly want these dudes.
Anyone know what's up with the delay on getting the Into the Dark teams on their own? Krieg and the Junior Sisters have been out since summer but the Navy and Kroot aren't.
I'll probably get a box set for the Arbites and Terrain but would also want a box or two of the Arbites on their own too. Automatically Appended Next Post:
It also looks like the one from the metal Enforcers in the 2000s.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I do so hope they're not a full head taller than regular humans like the new Kasrkin...
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Man, the weapons on those new Marines are... something.
I can usually see some way of fixing a glaring issue with a design, but I'm not sure anyone actually tried to design those in the first place.
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Post by: Aecus Decimus
H.B.M.C. wrote:I do so hope they're not a full head taller than regular humans like the new Kasrkin...
Good news: they aren't.
Bad news: they're a full head taller than Kasrkin.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
 His Master's Voice wrote:Man, the weapons on those new Marines are... something.
I can usually see some way of fixing a glaring issue with a design, but I'm not sure anyone actually tried to design those in the first place.
They remind me of Chewie taking out the security cameras on the Death Star Prison block.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
That Redemptor is everything wrong with 40k design.
Couldn't just give it melee weapons - it's got to have twin heavy stubbers, two multi-meltas, and two twin bolter things.
It's got more shooting than a Hellfire or Mortis dreadnought.
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Post by: grahamdbailey
Aecus Decimus wrote:God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.
I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!
I concur, these are just feckin' awful. Taking the blandness of some basic Primaris with silly, OTT and impractical weapons, and they totally jump the shark.
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Post by: Gir Spirit Bane
God I hope those saurus warriors can somehow rank up on 25 squares for old world...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
grahamdbailey wrote:Aecus Decimus wrote:God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.
I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!
I concur, these are just feckin' awful. Taking the blandness of some basic Primaris with silly, OTT and impractical weapons, and they totally jump the shark.
They’re growing on me, especially when the head is aligned to be sighting the weapon. They look like something which can be fired from the hip (yes I know they’re long and bulky) rather than the somewhat staid and boring Regular Tube Missile Launchers.
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Post by: tauist
grahamdbailey wrote:Aecus Decimus wrote:God those missile marines look stupid. It's the perfect embodiment of primaris "we put guns on your guns" nonsense, and I still can't figure out what the weird belt feed thing is supposed to be for.
I guess the dread is ok, as if we needed yet another one. And good thing we have another primaris lieutenant sculpt, I was worried we would never get to see another one!
I concur, these are just feckin' awful. Taking the blandness of some basic Primaris with silly, OTT and impractical weapons, and they totally jump the shark.
Agreed. It's like GW is memefying Primaris on purpose. "heard you like guns so we put guns on guns" and "you get a primaris lieutenant! and you get a Primaris lieutenant! We all get Primaris Lieutenants!". Primaris are looking more like Action figures as years go by..
Everything shown besides the new Warcry stuff and Soulshackle terrain was a disappointment for me. Glad I didn't try to wake up early for the reveals, I would have started the day all grumpy.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)
It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.
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Post by: ArcaneHorror
The Warcry Khorne models would work well as alternative Jakhals.
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Post by: Chopstick
That running witch elf of the Underworld team would make fantastic Blood Bowl player, better pose than the one from the official DE team
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Post by: His Master's Voice
I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...
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Post by: NAVARRO
Loads of new kits!
Dread is awesome and so are the Saurus ( one step closer for my space lizardman).
Overall a good preview I would say, a bit for everyones tastes.
Im holding for Votann 2nd wave first though.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Not Online!!! wrote:Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)
It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.
They can afford to run out a dozen different Dreadnought kits; but it would be totally impossible for them to cast an extra sprue to give the Dorn a bottom plate.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
His Master's Voice wrote:I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...
Replace the body with a suitable Catachan
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Post by: Not Online!!!
 Lord Damocles wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)
It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.
They can afford to run out a dozen different Dreadnought kits; but it would be totally impossible for them to cast an extra sprue to give the Dorn a bottom plate.
Stop scrapping the barrell's bottom
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Woke up to this huh
Ridiculous compensator pattern overgunned primaris
Cool demon prince paywalled in a dumb battlebox until its story arc is over
Copy of existing DoK Underworlds band but more bland
Pretty cool Arbites paywalled with more walls and a sprue of DE warriors
Pretty cool Warcry box, Vampires look really good, the Flesh Hound furry cosplay a bit less so
Epic new Old One, okay skink cav, okay saurus
Horus Heresy reveal we already knew about, thanks for nothing
4/10 and propped up entirely by the fantasy side
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Lord Damocles wrote:That Redemptor is everything wrong with 40k design.
Couldn't just give it melee weapons - it's got to have twin heavy stubbers, two multi-meltas, and two twin bolter things.
It's got more shooting than a Hellfire or Mortis dreadnought.
It takes the basic redemption load out of melee with wrist gun, icarus rocket launcher, chin gun pair and swaps the heavy weapon arm for a second melee arm with wrist gun and bumps the chin guns from light to medium mounts. Similar to how the ironclad dread can have melta on the melee arms instead of just flamer or storm bolter.
Lord Damocles wrote:Not Online!!! wrote:Why waste production lines when the perfectly workable 30k contemptor which is also available for SM is there? (also looks better but sides.)
It's like "set up another line of production" for the sake of it.
They can afford to run out a dozen different Dreadnought kits; but it would be totally impossible for them to cast an extra sprue to give the Dorn a bottom plate.
Id expect 99% of people will get far more value out of a new dreadnought sprue than a flat square of plastic to put on the generally unseen bottom of a tank.
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Post by: Aecus Decimus
 tauist wrote:Agreed. It's like GW is memefying Primaris on purpose. "heard you like guns so we put guns on guns" and "you get a primaris lieutenant! and you get a Primaris lieutenant! We all get Primaris Lieutenants!". Primaris are looking more like Action figures as years go by..
I think they fell into the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" trap with the move from physical sculpting to CAD. Now it's too easy to just copy/paste a bunch of stubbers on every random surface and let the slicing software figure out how to make a sprue out of it. Someone needs to beat them over the head with a "less is more" sign until they get back to the iconic designs that made 40k. Automatically Appended Next Post: MajorWesJanson wrote:It takes the basic redemption load out of melee with wrist gun, icarus rocket launcher, chin gun pair and swaps the heavy weapon arm for a second melee arm with wrist gun and bumps the chin guns from light to medium mounts. Similar to how the ironclad dread can have melta on the melee arms instead of just flamer or storm bolter.
Yes, but the Redemptor was already a mess with too many guns. This abomination is just a boxdread but worse.
Id expect 99% of people will get far more value out of a new dreadnought sprue than a flat square of plastic to put on the generally unseen bottom of a tank.
As opposed to yet another mediocre primaris model that nobody was asking for?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Seraphon are by far and away the winners this time. Space marines look like they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Aecus Decimus wrote:
I think they fell into the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" trap with the move from physical sculpting to CAD. Now it's too easy to just copy/paste a bunch of stubbers on every random surface and let the slicing software figure out how to make a sprue out of it. Someone needs to beat them over the head with a "less is more" sign until they get back to the iconic designs that made 40k.
This. It literally looks cheaply bolted on, like babies' first conversion. It makes no sense in the context of the model, totally ignores the suggestion that there are some working mechanisms and stuff under the random plate it's bolted to, and in consequence makes the model look more like a toy than a 'scale model' that looks like it could work at least on a passing glance.
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Post by: tneva82
Bold assumption base size stays same with increasing model sizes.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Dreadnought I like, except for the Heavy Stubbers which look tacked on by an enthusiastic newbie.
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Post by: tneva82
Aecus Decimus wrote: tauist wrote:Agreed. It's like GW is memefying Primaris on purpose. "heard you like guns so we put guns on guns" and "you get a primaris lieutenant! and you get a Primaris lieutenant! We all get Primaris Lieutenants!". Primaris are looking more like Action figures as years go by..
I think they fell into the "just because you can doesn't mean you should" trap with the move from physical sculpting to CAD. Now it's too easy to just copy/paste a bunch of stubbers on every random surface and let the slicing software figure out how to make a sprue out of it. Someone needs to beat them over the head with a "less is more" sign until they get back to the iconic designs that made 40k.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
MajorWesJanson wrote:It takes the basic redemption load out of melee with wrist gun, icarus rocket launcher, chin gun pair and swaps the heavy weapon arm for a second melee arm with wrist gun and bumps the chin guns from light to medium mounts. Similar to how the ironclad dread can have melta on the melee arms instead of just flamer or storm bolter.
Yes, but the Redemptor was already a mess with too many guns. This abomination is just a boxdread but worse.
Id expect 99% of people will get far more value out of a new dreadnought sprue than a flat square of plastic to put on the generally unseen bottom of a tank.
As opposed to yet another mediocre primaris model that nobody was asking for?
I can quarantee these marines will sell more kits than dorn would have got more sales with bottom sprue&price hike.
As is dorn complains are just from usual troublemakers who complain just for sake of complaining. If gw would make all rules and models free they would complain then as well.
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It's just complaining for sake of complaining and because complaining is cool. And youtubers get clicks for profit,
The small group makes lots of noice complaining as usual and majority just laugh "look at kids pretending to be cool"
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Post by: NAVARRO
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Dreadnought I like, except for the Heavy Stubbers which look tacked on by an enthusiastic newbie.
Yeah, but easy to chop down and convert.
Its good to now have 2 dreads with several options each.
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Post by: Tamereth
The new lizardmen are all wins. Just hope they rank up on square bases.
The arbites look great, hoping we get rules to use them in Necromunda.
The primaris stuff is so bad, close combat dread covered in guns. T-shirt launching heavies! The decent into saturday morning cartoon derp continues apace.
But the multi part lieutenant seems like a nice kit.
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Post by: JWBS
I think just mixing them in with proper (Primaris) devastators could save them.
It's a real shame that they've compromised their designs in a desperate effort to distinguish Primaris from Firstborn. If they had given us Primaris Devastators it would have been a great success, everyone would have been happy. Instead we get these. Jes Goodwin marines really were peak 40K, most deviations are strict downgrades.
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Post by: Chikout
JWBS wrote:
JWBS wrote:
I think just mixing them in with proper (Primaris) devastators could save them.
It's a real shame that they've compromised their designs in a desperate effort to distinguish Primaris from Firstborn. If they had given us Primaris Devastators it would have been a great success, everyone would have been happy. Instead we get these. Jes Goodwin marines really were peak 40K, most deviations are strict downgrades.
Jes is still GW's lead 40k concept artist. All the primaris stuff comes from his sketches. They are very much his design. The only reason he isn't a sculptor any more is because he can't use computers.
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Post by: warboss
None of the previewed models stand out to me personally as a win asthetically. The Yo Dawg primaris are definitely the losers in the bunch though.
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Post by: JWBS
Chikout wrote:
Jes is still GW's lead 40k concept artist. All the primaris stuff comes from his sketches. They are very much his design. The only reason he isn't a sculptor any more is because he can't use computers.
Yes that has always been my assumption. His old stuff was better though.
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Post by: Scottywan82
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
I like Arbitor Ian's pronunciation "ar-bih-tez".
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Post by: Tsagualsa
NAVARRO wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Dreadnought I like, except for the Heavy Stubbers which look tacked on by an enthusiastic newbie.
Yeah, but easy to chop down and convert.
Its good to now have 2 dreads with several options each.
It would probably look much better with a missile rack in the style of a havoc/cyclone launcher.
JWBS wrote:
It's a real shame that they've compromised their designs in a desperate effort to distinguish Primaris from Firstborn. If they had given us Primaris Devastators it would have been a great success, everyone would have been happy. Instead we get these. Jes Goodwin marines really were peak 40K, most deviations are strict downgrades.
Just having the smaller dual missile pods mounted over the shoulders while wielding normal heavy bolters, rotary cannons or whatever would look much, much better and would also recall the classic Warlord titan outline, making for an overall more 'imperial' look.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 warboss wrote:None of the previewed models stand out to me personally as a win asthetically. The Yo Dawg primaris are definitely the losers in the bunch though.
None of them in the entire preview?
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Post by: dan2026
Funny how the Dark Eldar range that despirately needs an update only gets a sprue for Warriors.
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Post by: warboss
ImAGeek wrote: warboss wrote:None of the previewed models stand out to me personally as a win asthetically. The Yo Dawg primaris are definitely the losers in the bunch though.
None of them in the entire preview?
For me personally, none. Except maybe Arbites cyber Scooby... he's ok. The only ones I actually dislike are the ridiculous primaris superduperdevastators.
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Post by: Scottywan82
 dan2026 wrote:Funny how the Dark Eldar range that despirately needs an update only gets a sprue for Warriors.
I keep hoping they will do Mandrakes in plastic as a Kill Team.
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Post by: Aecus Decimus
It shouldn't be surprising. If you don't care about AoS the 40k stuff was all pretty weak. Maybe the arbites were ok (though not my thing personally) but the missile marines are horrible, the new dread is another bland and pointless primaris marine nobody asked for, the HQ is yet another primaris lieutenant to join the 999999 we already have, the DE are a pretty bland and unimaginative standard kill team sprue, and the Cerberus is the same tank we already had but in a worse material. Oh, and I guess technically there's a new starter set if you somehow don't have enough marines already, but who cares about that. All the 40k stuff is a masterclass in phoning it in.
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Post by: warboss
Aecus Decimus wrote:
It shouldn't be surprising. If you don't care about AoS the 40k stuff was all pretty weak. Maybe the arbites were ok (though not my thing personally) but the missile marines are horrible, the new dread is another bland and pointless primaris marine nobody asked for, the HQ is yet another primaris lieutenant to join the 999999 we already have, the DE are a pretty bland and unimaginative standard kill team sprue, and the Cerberus is the same tank we already had but in a worse material. Oh, and I guess technically there's a new starter set if you somehow don't have enough marines already, but who cares about that. All the 40k stuff is a masterclass in phoning it in.
Agreed. I can appreciate some nice models for AOS and its various spin off games but it's not my personal focus so the models have to shine for them to stand out for me. These were competent remakes but nothing special but the entire reveal presentation was really soured by the poster children for the biggest game, the 40k primaris, being such a meme.
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Post by: Gimgamgoo
Not that my opinion counts for much but...
Seraphon - I really like, and as others have said, I hope they fit on square bases and rank up.
Arbites - Look good, but is that dog attached by a flimsy lead to the handler and they're on seperate bases? Have fun moving that in game.
Primaris - Just no. Looks like GW are 'Final Fantasying' 40k with the silly weapon sizes.
Horus Heresy - Meh. Just want those plastic jetbikes to be released and bring assault/jetpack troops out.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Chikout wrote:
Jes is still GW's lead 40k concept artist. All the primaris stuff comes from his sketches. They are very much his design.
His designs which weren't used in favour of the firstborn designs...
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Post by: Tsagualsa
 Gimgamgoo wrote:Not that my opinion counts for much but...
Seraphon - I really like, and as others have said, I hope they fit on square bases and rank up.
Arbites - Look good, but is that dog attached by a flimsy lead to the handler and they're on seperate bases? Have fun moving that in game.
Primaris - Just no. Looks like GW are 'Final Fantasying' 40k with the silly weapon sizes.
Horus Heresy - Meh. Just want those plastic jetbikes to be released and bring assault/jetpack troops out.
The Primaris look like they're wielding T-Shirt guns.
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Post by: Insularum
Cawl pitching his latest ideas to Guilliman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf3RfidFKBw
Like the dread, and customisable characters are always a win.
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Post by: Fayric
Redemptor looks pretty cool, and looks to have a really usefull loadout. The option to give a dreadnought dual ccw and loads of shooty stuff on the "hull" should not have taken 10 000 years to figure out.
The only thing missing is a snarling mutated wolf-face looking out from the "sarcophagus" ,in my oppinion
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Particular take away here is the joy of a multi option Marine model.
I know a couple of other recent character kits had options, so I’m hoping this is signalling a return to that preferable style.
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Post by: Dysartes
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:They look like something which can be fired from the hip (yes I know they’re long and bulky) rather than the somewhat staid and boring Regular Tube Missile Launchers.
The word you're actively avoiding using for the Devastator, and which definitely differentiates between them and this Primaris disaster Marine, is "functional".
We can look at a Devastator with a Missile Launcher, and understand broadly how it is meant to work in the "real world".
These ones? Not so much.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
They look like T-Shirt cannons.
And they could'a done something way cooler.
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Post by: Mr_Rose
That’s it! I’ve been trying to figure out what they’re reminding me of and I figured it out. They look like a halfway house between the Flash Gitz Snazzguns and Lootas Deffguns.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Seraphon are by far and away the winners this time. Space marines look like they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I do hope that Rob Liefeld is getting royalties.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?
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Post by: Tsagualsa
 Mentlegen324 wrote:Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?
It is also envenomed, if that helps
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Post by: Red Corsair
Mentlegen324 wrote:Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?
No, you are totally correrct LMAO!
It's because they are able to be so lazy with CAD now, they just modified the shotgun with a scope, supressor and drum mag and called it good
It does look good though to be fair so I can't fault them in this case.
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T-shirt canon marines are so damned awful it's actually kind of awesome
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Post by: Tsagualsa
 Red Corsair wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?
No, you are totally correrct LMAO!
It's because they are able to be so lazy with CAD now, they just modified the shotgun with a scope, supressor and drum mag and called it good
It does look good though to be fair so I can't fault them in this case.
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T-shirt canon marines are so damned awful it's actually kind of awesome
With Arbites the sniper shotgun kind of works in the fluff, in their old old Necromunda rules they had 'executioner shells' which were fired from shotguns, but were actually small heat-seeking missiles that could fly around corners and cover and could be -in fluff- programmed to pick out a specific individual from a crowd and stuff like that.
Also: they all seem to have bodycams
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Tsagualsa wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?
It is also envenomed, if that helps
What do you mean?
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Iirc imperial sniper rifles use venom darts/needles instead of shells in some cases.
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Post by: AduroT
I kinda like the T-shirt cannons…
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Post by: Mr_Rose
Tsagualsa wrote: Red Corsair wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:Am I looking at it wrong, or does one of those Arbites have a silenced pump-action revolver shotgun sniper rifle?
No, you are totally correrct LMAO!
It's because they are able to be so lazy with CAD now, they just modified the shotgun with a scope, supressor and drum mag and called it good
It does look good though to be fair so I can't fault them in this case.
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T-shirt canon marines are so damned awful it's actually kind of awesome
With Arbites the sniper shotgun kind of works in the fluff, in their old old Necromunda rules they had 'executioner shells' which were fired from shotguns, but were actually small heat-seeking missiles that could fly around corners and cover and could be -in fluff- programmed to pick out a specific individual from a crowd and stuff like that.
Also: they all seem to have bodycams
Yeah, the Arbites have had those seeker-shells since second edition at least. It used to be that they got -1 to hit at short range but +1 at long range because the little robot brain took a moment to lock on. Making a longer range version of that with better target identification gear makes sense.
I’m wondering how that would work out in KT? It’s exactly the kind of environment where that sort of detail becomes important.
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Post by: zend
Cawl’s latest Space Marine weapons look familiar…..
Why is a genius Archmagos cobbling weapons together out of scrap?
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Post by: GaroRobe
I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...
Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.
It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
GaroRobe wrote:I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...
Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.
It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.
What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Tsagualsa wrote: GaroRobe wrote:I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...
Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.
It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.
What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.
It's not a fight, it's a Con.
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Post by: Memnoch
The leader model in the Daughters of Khaine warband is awesome.
The GallowDark terrain is cool.
Warcry Vampires are cool and the Flesh Hound cult is both wonderful storytelling and amusing at the same time. Love it.
The Arbites are awesome.
Multi-part Lieutenant kit is a great idea.
No interest in the new Dreadnought, simply prefer the normal Redemptor.
The Primaris Desolators though.....Im torn between liking them and thinking every weapon choice on the same gun is just a little too much.....
Unless their datasheet is similar to Obliterators where you pick the weapon type before shooting then its going to be a mess if the weapon types are different in the box.
Vashtorr being stuck in a box for a few months with recycled Shadowspear sprues is an interesting take. Existing DA players needing to buy the whole set for Azareal as well makes me feel a little sad for them.
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Post by: Chopstick
Tsagualsa wrote: Iirc imperial sniper rifles use venom darts/needles instead of shells in some cases.
Imperium used 3 types of sniper rifle : solid round, toxin dart, and long las. Judging by the cylinder, and the gun look like modified shotgun body that still keep the pump action, it's likely a solid round weapon which is the most versatile one that can use both high power and toxin round.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
Memnoch wrote:
The Primaris Desolators though.....Im torn between liking them and thinking every weapon choice on the same gun is just a little too much.....
Unless their datasheet is similar to Obliterators where you pick the weapon type before shooting then its going to be a mess if the weapon types are different in the box.
From how they're presented on the box, it seems like it's another setup where the whole squad can either have the 4 smaller or the 2 larger missile pods on top of the small round missile thing, and either 1 in 5 or the the sergeant can have the bigger thing with 1 massive missile.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Seraphon are by far and away the winners this time. Space marines look like they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I do hope that Rob Liefeld is getting royalties.
Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s. I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be. We just need mohawks, belts, and exposed muscular thighs and we're back to good ol' 80s-early 90s cheese. Those lizardmen are indeed nice, and it's a pity that they are for AoS.
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Post by: GaroRobe
MajorWesJanson wrote:Tsagualsa wrote: GaroRobe wrote:I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...
Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.
It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.
What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.
It's not a fight, it's a Con.
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Post by: Not Online!!!
all this proves is the corruption of the arbites.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
GaroRobe wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote:Tsagualsa wrote: GaroRobe wrote:I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...
Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.
It's a strange day when the dark eldar aren't the kinkiest people on the battlefield.
What happens in the Gallowdark stays in the Gallowdark.
It's not a fight, it's a Con.
Safety first, get him his well-prepared assistants as well:
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Post by: Dysartes
Was anything mentioned about how the Kill Team sprue for DE might be reflected in 40k? Might they get an updated datasheet, or a new one for this "Hand of the Archon"?
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Post by: Not Online!!!
 Dysartes wrote:Was anything mentioned about how the Kill Team sprue for DE might be reflected in 40k? Might they get an updated datasheet, or a new one for this "Hand of the Archon"?
The reflection will be an update for the rules proclaiming that you can pick
1 x can take y
1 x can take z
etc. etc. like the commando stipulations
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Post by: Shakalooloo
"The loyal slave learns to love the lash." One of the more sinister 40k Thoughts for the Day, but oddly appropriate here.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
GaroRobe wrote:I am a bit concerned about the arbites that wears a gimp mask and walks around with handcuffs...
Ooh! And since the handcuffs are in his right hand, you could totally give them the "pointy hand holding a dog leash" to really drive home the point.
He would go really well with the flesh hound fursuit guy from Warcry
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Post by: His Master's Voice
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.
I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.
Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.
Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.
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Post by: Albertorius
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm never going to call them "Ar-bee-tees".
"Ar-bites" forever and always.
So how do you spell "arbitrator" then? One would expect bot words to be spelled similarly, right?
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
His Master's Voice wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.
I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.
Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.
Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.
Fair enough, I can understand that complaint. They would probably look more at home in an Ork army, now that I think of it.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
His Master's Voice wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.
I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.
Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.
Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.
To be fair, they seem to want to expand the 'visual alphabet' of 40k by reusing certain assets - for example that 'sixgun' missile pod also crops up in the Hekaton Land fortress and on other Primaris vehicles, so even if the design itself is new, there seems to be a consistent effort to establish a visual continuum between things.
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Post by: Geifer
His Master's Voice wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Those weapons look like they're straight out of the 90s.
I kind of like them. Incredibly dumb and over the top, but that's kind of what 40k is meant to be.
I think what bothers me the most about those guns is that they're very much NOT 40k. A bolter is 40k. A plasma gun is 40k. So is a melta or a lascannon.
Those are just modern "missile boxes" stacked on top of each other. There's nothing about them that says they belong in a setting where grav guns are a thing.
Then again, I think the original Heresy era ML is still the best.
That's the thing with Primaris, isn't it? They are modern tacticool in design, so at their core they are already a deviation from what came to define Marines as we knew them for most of their existence. There's just no fix for that.
Although it's kind of telling that even among the many and varied dodgy design elements Primaris have, the belt fed pepperbox missile launcher with hunter killer bunny ears still manages to stand out.
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Post by: streetsamurai
His Master's Voice wrote:I think those Marine designs traumatized me. I can't stop thinking about how I could possibly try to salvage them...
much better than the real one
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Post by: Voss
Well, this is something to wake up to.
Primaris: wth?
No and no. Just absolutely not.
Not sure why Primaris is once again competing with existing models with terrible concepts.
Plinko-gun dread follows the same gun ethos as the 'stealth' not-a-dread and has no reason to.
Missile rifles. . Indirect fire and multiple types is going to mean a terrible mess of internal balance, bad rules and wrong point costs.
Only hopeful thing is that Lt Blandy McBlanderson might mean a datasheet consolidation.
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Special Characters with recycled units box. Whatever. Couldn't care less.
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Witch elves- look, I know its the masks. I do. But Decrepit Grandmothers of Wresting isn't a vibe I'm looking for.
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Seraphon-
Ok. Ok. Ok. These took a moment- a small tablet was not the best viewing.
Didn't know I needed or wanted a super-detailed fat toad, but I guess I do. Needs to be sat on a plinth rather than held up by three vines, though.
Princess Mononoke Park Raptors are.. more intriguing than I thought.
Saurus warrior headplates took a moment to adjust to, but the sheer bulk and power of these models is amazing. Stellar job (but it took way too long to do saurus well)
But it is indeed a Great Plan, and a promise of more.
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Warcry-
Not sure either of these gangs are for me, but there are some truly excellent sculpts here.
Vampire rope monks are far more interesting than they have any right to be.
Still hate infantry models on cavalry bases, however.
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HH
Oh, hey, tank. If we have to not get infantry again, why not the demios vindicator variants rather than a suicide boat?
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KT
Well, ok. I... nah. Bland. Random helmets of non-protection are an odd choice and the overall look is uninspired and uninteresting.
I was expecting something more.
I suppose there is something new and different for the dark eldar, but can't be asked to figure out what it is. The bird, probably. Even more boring than Genericus Judge..
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Fantasy wins. By a lot.
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Post by: infinite_array
Is the new Marine box called "Agastus" because the new Primaris unit leaves us aghast at the horrible design?
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Post by: Dread Master
Ar-bih-tess is how I pronounce the name.
Loved: The Slaanald Trump narrator on the Seraphon trailer. New Seraphon are ace. Happy for those who have waited so long for the Saurus to be redone.
The whole Killteam box, especially the reintroduction of the Arbites to the setting with new sculpts.
Killteam box is dope…. And is that Vampire Leader’s hair pinned up? Hmmm 🤔
Lame: Underworlds warband. Who wanted them? This just says to me the designers have no idea where they’re going with Malerion.
Primaris heavies…. While the rest of the setting seems to be returning to grimdark nostalgia, the primaris continue to be the strangest anomaly. These just don’t fit as far I’m concerned.
Indifferent: Vashtorr Azrael box. Primaris lieutenant. Eh ok.
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Post by: SKR.HH
Once again proof that more is not automatically better. Still not sure what these are for. But I'm wondering whether this could be salvaged for an Invictor Warsuit... but certainly not interesting enough to actually spend money on this one.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
 Geifer wrote:
That's the thing with Primaris, isn't it? They are modern tacticool in design, so at their core they are already a deviation from what came to define Marines as we knew them for most of their existence. There's just no fix for that.
Are they though? The basic Primaris is a perfectly fine Marine design - just look at the Black Templar's range, or the couple new Dark Angels.
It's really the paraphernalia that pushes the tacticool vibe.
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Post by: Chopstick
Dread Master wrote: Lame: Underworlds warband. Who wanted them? This just says to me the designers have no idea where they’re going with Malerion.
I want them, more grounded, mundane 2 feet on the ground pose for these are always welcome, as oppose to the leap into the fray one from the kit. Morgwaeth’s Blade-coven had 2 witch aelves but only 1 really had a decent grounded pose (that's similar to the cover art of the DoK rulebook), and she's also the worst fighter on that team.
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Post by: Geifer
His Master's Voice wrote: Geifer wrote:
That's the thing with Primaris, isn't it? They are modern tacticool in design, so at their core they are already a deviation from what came to define Marines as we knew them for most of their existence. There's just no fix for that.
Are they though? The basic Primaris is a perfectly fine Marine design - just look at the Black Templar's range, or the couple new Dark Angels.
It's really the paraphernalia that pushes the tacticool vibe.
In my view they are. Yes, basic Mk.X have only traces of it (which is the reason why I have Primaris at all, some of their models don't take it very far) but you only need to glance over at the other basic, Phobos Marines to get your tacticool overdose in an instant.
That modern design aspect is so prevalent in the army, almost everywhere you look, that I don't see the few models that take it easy as enough to sway me away from lumping them all together.
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Post by: Sherrypie
Hmm, now this starts to make sense...
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Post by: Sacredroach
And just like that I went from hating those new designs to loving them. IF I get any of them, they will indeed have neon Nerf weapons.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Now I want Hasbro to make a licensed 40K NERF line.
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Post by: warboss
It's the kindler and gentler Imperium of People!
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Post by: bullyboy
Not sure if I’d want to actually fix them, or just take the silliness to the next level and add more rockets. I want bare heads yelling and at least 2 more rocket launchers on each model.
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Post by: The Phazer
Good: The Saurus and the Slaan and just excellent. Amazing sculpts, exactly what everyone wanted, lovely stuff.
The Arbities are great, and the extra terrain bits from that book are lovely too.
The Primaris Lieutenant having a variety of options is good. Make all the special editions you like GW, but the standard base model needs to have a wide variety of weapon options on sprue so the datasheet isn't so stupid.
Fine: The Brutalis is alright, I don't find his guns to be nearly as offensive as some others.
The Skinks on the Raptordons are fine. The Raptordon's are bad versions of the Cold Ones. GW insists on trying to make these weird new mounts of AOS and I don't know why.
The Khorne boys for Warcry are very dynamic, and look pretty cool.
The Cerberus is good, just unexciting. Was kinda hoping for a bit more HH wise given the shoulderpads are done for every chapter now. At least start filling in the Preators for the legions who don't have them.
The DE could kind of have done with something more than a fairly generic upgrade sprue.
Ugly: The Desolation Primaris Marines are the worst marine models GW have done for literally decades. An inexplicable screw up. I've never seriously suggested this despite playing 40k since RT because I know how implausible it is, but these are so bad I honestly think GW should pull them from release and redo them. They bring down the entire line.
Can't say I think the undead for Warcry and very inspiring (though not on the same level of bad).
Gryselle’s Arenai are also probably the weakest scupts ever for Underworlds, though a bad paint job isn't helping. They feel completely redundant too.
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Post by: Daedalus81
Indeed these are the silliest models I've ever seen them make, but the nerf aesthetic makes me love them.
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Post by: Tsagualsa
You could also turn the doublepods into very long binoculars
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
On the Underworlds, I do wonder how many warbands are just the sculptors given free reign, a way for them to develop and improve their skills with an opportunity to do just a handful in poses which might be impractical for a regular unit?
Certainly I understand them to be fairly popular projects for painters, due to low(ish, this is still GW prices) cost and greater variety.
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Post by: Necroagogo
 The Phazer wrote:
Ugly: The Desolation Primaris Marines are the worst marine models GW have done for literally decades. An inexplicable screw up. I've never seriously suggested this despite playing 40k since RT because I know how implausible it is, but these are so bad I honestly thing GW should pull them from release and redo them. They bring down the entire line.
Honest question: do you really think that these (admittedly awful) models are worse than Suppressors?
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
 bullyboy wrote:Not sure if I’d want to actually fix them, or just take the silliness to the next level and add more rockets. I want bare heads yelling and at least 2 more rocket launchers on each model.
With lots of belts, leopard print and tiny feet.
If they're going to go silly 90s might as well go the whole mile and give us a good laugh.
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Post by: Daedalus81
Definitely ( though it might make them look too much like Aggressors ). Terribly unfortunate. Ah well. If they're worth getting I'll probably be cutting them up quite a bit.
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Post by: The Phazer
 Necroagogo wrote: The Phazer wrote:
Ugly: The Desolation Primaris Marines are the worst marine models GW have done for literally decades. An inexplicable screw up. I've never seriously suggested this despite playing 40k since RT because I know how implausible it is, but these are so bad I honestly thing GW should pull them from release and redo them. They bring down the entire line.
Honest question: do you really think that these (admittedly awful) models are worse than Suppressors?
Way worse. I think the Marine Scout sprue is the only competition it has in bad Marine plastics since the 2nd Edition starter box set.
The Suppressors are a bit silly but at least their silhouette works.
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Post by: Nevelon
If they are the only missile troop in your list (to avoid confusion with ML dev squads, etc) it might just be worth grabbing the 30k heavy kit with the classics MLs and a box of intercessors.
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Post by: SarisKhan
Mixed feelings regarding the Kabalite Warriors. I'm happy they get an upgrade sprue, but I expected something... more. Not really excited about Wrack-Kabalites or Wych-Kabalites, I like them being their own things better.
Well, they say their upgrade sprue is "packed", and we don't know the associated rules yet, so I'm looking forward to further reveals.
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Post by: The Phazer
 Nevelon wrote:If they are the only missile troop in your list (to avoid confusion with ML dev squads, etc) it might just be worth grabbing the 30k heavy kit with the classics MLs and a box of intercessors.
I'm sure a lot of people will, though the Intercessor kit doesn't have a lot of great arms for that. Sticking the rotary launcher thing on the backpack also looks slightly less stupid.
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Post by: Scrub
What a great reveal!  I'm oddly enthused about the Kabalite upgrade sprue even though the options it represents look decidedly pedestrian compared to most contemporary 40k sculpts but I suppose that was always likely to be the case. (I do enjoy some shiny Eldar, no matter the flavour!) Lizardmen have been well worth the wait, beautiful sculpts, all of them, (I'd buy you a pint/tipple of your choice down the boozer whomever you are, Mr or Mrs artist!) and are the standout series of minis on the horizon. Can't wait to see more! (Kroxigor! Kroxigor! Kroxigor! Please!) No idea what's going on in marineland these days but there's scraping the barrel and then there's NERF guns, apparently. The lieutenant is quite reserved and nice by comparison, to be fair.
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Post by: Stevefamine
How much pot do these 3d designers smoke? All of the new releases are fantastic except for those Pseudo devastators / Desolation Primaris Marines. I find it hard to believe multiple artists thought that looked good. I guess one guy designed them and corporate gave them a thumbs up. He or She wants to stay anonymous
Lack of oversight? Not having a single sculptor? Sprue room issues when designing kits digitally? No idea.
You look at the model and immediately go ""Uhhh this looks wrong..." similar to the new Primaris jump pack design and clear flight stand.
More than half the SM players that buy them will most likely convert these models to make them look less embarrassing.
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Post by: TalonZahn
The Primaris stuff just looks like GW had extra vehicle bits and built marines around them.
Extra Repulsor bits? Put them on marines!
Extra Impulsor bits? Put them on dreads!
They *might* have looked better on Gravis bodies.
Ar-bites (HMBC is correct) look like Sisters of Battle with some conversions.
Now buy more walls because this time you can punch them out!
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Post by: Mr Morden
Good
* Arbites - look really good except for the too small riot shield (IMO)
* New Slann looks awesome!
* Bloodhunt - like all of this - cool looking terrain as well
Bad
*The Marines - ughh nearly Centurion level Gak - oh well new marines for the sake of new marines
* Skinks riding giant chickens - just no
Indifferent
* BattleTech style Dreadnought is ok I guess
* Lt is ok
* Compared to the previous Daughters of Khaine, Gryselle’s Arenai are a bit meh
* Saurus are ok
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Post by: No One Important
CthuluIsSpy wrote: bullyboy wrote:Not sure if I’d want to actually fix them, or just take the silliness to the next level and add more rockets. I want bare heads yelling and at least 2 more rocket launchers on each model.
With lots of belts, leopard print and tiny feet.
If they're going to go silly 90s might as well go the whole mile and give us a good laugh.
I've seen enough Liefeld to know they can be salvaged with enough pouches.
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Post by: cuda1179
I've been chewing the Primaries Desolators for a while now. While silly, I could almost get on board with a belt-fed, 6-barrel, rotory missile launcher. It's silly, but just silly enough to work. It's the strapping of MORE missiles to the side of the gun that gets me. Had the just went with the rotory gun, and perhaps given each guy a single shot, shoulder mounted mini HK missile, that could work too.
As they are, it's beyond OTT goofy. I don't care how good the rules are stock models will never be in my collection.
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Post by: ScarletRose
New redemptor dread - looks good, I'll probably get some of those third party leviathan style armor bits, make it look like a mega-leviathan
New primaris Lt - meh, more bits are ok, but I think this was a big missed opportunity to make a gravis lieutenant, completing the trifecta of being able to make an all gravis, all phobos or all normal armor army.
Missile launchers - lol no. These look awful
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Post by: Nevelon
My main issue with the dread are the stubbers. They should have no place in the marine armory. What are we? Guardsmen?
I might pick him up if there is another bit we can use there.
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