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Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 13:07:06


Post by: Tsagualsa


Including bad pun:
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Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 13:30:34


Post by: JWBS


None of the subsequent mastiffs have lived up to the original Barbaretta version for me but I'm glad to see another that I'll actually buy, rather than the string of FW releases over the years.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 13:50:41


Post by: lord_blackfang


No doubt there will eventually be GW Facebook poll on which is their best plastic dog.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:01:20


Post by: Shadow Walker


 lord_blackfang wrote:
No doubt there will eventually be GW Facebook poll on which is their best plastic dog.

Underworlds ones.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:08:37


Post by: El Torro


They haven't actually specified that this Cyber-mastiff is for Adeptus Arbites, right? I guess it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.

Also I agree that GW seem to love cyber dogs.


I know that the Arbites are for Kill Team. Would be nice to see some rules for using them in Necromunda though. Doesn't even have to be a playable gang, even a scenario or two would be good.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:12:58


Post by: Dudeface


The stupid thing is they haven't officially revealed that Arbites are on the way formally, they just assumed we wouldn't notice them in the pdf I guess?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:36:43


Post by: Apple fox


Dudeface wrote:
The stupid thing is they haven't officially revealed that Arbites are on the way formally, they just assumed we wouldn't notice them in the pdf I guess?


Yes, they do assume that.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:39:31


Post by: Theophony


They put dog poop on the base


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:42:30


Post by: Platuan4th


How many opportunities for walkies do you think there are on a hulk?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 14:47:25


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Well. Saw this and a Staffie (who received a fuss) on my wander home from my tattoo appointment.

This is a good day for my Dog fixation. For they are all good boys. Especially the Staffie who had a super waggy tail. Yes he did!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 15:02:24


Post by: Albertorius


I mean, this is clearly from an upgrade sprue for kasrkin [/s]


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 15:38:05


Post by: spiralingcadaver


Yuck, that's got to be one of the derpiest cyber mastiffs since they started making models of them. It's got, like, a robot batman helmet with a bucket jaw and a cowcatcher muzzle? And nothing says "augmented dog" like something where all the natural pointy bits have been replaced by clunky looking machines but most of the squishy bits are still exposed.

Boring armor, boring bionics.

Then again, they did just make lord solar whoever, so maybe the imperium's new aesthetic is boringly robotic augmented animals with none of the personality or charm of a robot or an animal. Look out for the primaris update to space wolf cav, kids! Each veteran rides his very own Zoid wolf decorated in wolf pelts!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 15:42:50


Post by: warboss


I like it. The only thing that I'd ideally change would be to give it a longer cybersnout.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 17:17:40


Post by: Lord Damocles


'No, Steve, there is only one dog pose!'


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 17:21:33


Post by: Tsagualsa


Does that dog have:

- Dog sunglasses
- An integrated, possibly remote-controlled muzzle?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 18:24:48


Post by: tauist


I bet the new Arbites team will feature the recent damage mitigation trend heavily. It's the latest new trick in KT21 to bake in "codex creep" into a system which originally tried to make such things hard to implement.

It'll be all high fives and flexatones until the inevitable FAQ nerf bat. Sigh.

Modelwise, while this one actually resembles a Mastiff (big chest muscles and all), I can't help feeling a lil whelmed. The cybernetic augmentations seem uninspired somehow.. I could have understood either fore or hind legs being augments, but both? Makes for a very clumsy dog, I'd think


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 19:30:31


Post by: RazorEdge


Why use GW always the ugliest /stupiest / akwardest Dogs as a template for Dog Models?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 19:45:06


Post by: warboss


Tsagualsa wrote:
Does that dog have:

- Dog sunglasses


No, he's not that outrageous a dude unless he comes with alternate surfboard and cyberguitar bits like Poochie.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 19:51:17


Post by: JSG


People are being weirdly critical of this little dog.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/23 19:51:25


Post by: Tsagualsa


 warboss wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
Does that dog have:

- Dog sunglasses


No, he's not that outrageous a dude unless he comes with alternate surfboard and cyberguitar bits like Poochie.


I mean, you're probably right and it's just a bit too much edge highlighting on his brows, but you absolutely could paint it as pit vipers


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 06:29:04


Post by: drbored


JSG wrote:
People are being weirdly critical of this little dog.


Welcome to dakkadakka.

I think he is good boy.

Warhammer 40k is no place for a shiba inu or a snickerdoodle or whateverthecrap


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 07:25:02


Post by: Jadenim


He’s a clever boy too, because he appears to have nicked Batman’s cowl…


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 08:03:30


Post by: Tsagualsa


drbored wrote:
JSG wrote:
People are being weirdly critical of this little dog.


Welcome to dakkadakka.

I think he is good boy.

Warhammer 40k is no place for a shiba inu or a snickerdoodle or whateverthecrap


I wish they still had humour and did a cyberpoodle or something as a funny one-of A Cyborzoi or something like that may actually look intimidating, a cyber-dachshund less so


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 08:31:26


Post by: Haighus


Tsagualsa wrote:
drbored wrote:
JSG wrote:
People are being weirdly critical of this little dog.


Welcome to dakkadakka.

I think he is good boy.

Warhammer 40k is no place for a shiba inu or a snickerdoodle or whateverthecrap


I wish they still had humour and did a cyberpoodle or something as a funny one-of A Cyborzoi or something like that may actually look intimidating, a cyber-dachshund less so

But you could send the cyberdachshund into the sewer network and have it ambush the criminals from behind...


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 13:01:39


Post by: Flinty


That’s not the goodest boy… doesn’t even have its own servo skull for proper gooding…



Also no negging on the Dachshund. They were bred to hunt badgers in their lairs. I wouldn’t want to face off against a badger above ground, and the badger is in a sack, and I’m substantially larger than a dachshund!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 13:27:59


Post by: warboss


Nice! I've seen a pug in a cadian helmet 3d model before but not the german shepherds.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 15:20:50


Post by: Platuan4th


 warboss wrote:
Nice! I've seen a pug in a cadian helmet 3d model before but not the german shepherds.


I have the Cadian Pug. Dude does a whole set with a Krieg Dachshund in a gas mask(the reason I bought the set, I have 3 doxies).



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/24 15:46:53


Post by: warboss


Krieghunds! I approve.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/25 09:12:53


Post by: Danny76


 Platuan4th wrote:
 warboss wrote:
Nice! I've seen a pug in a cadian helmet 3d model before but not the german shepherds.


I have the Cadian Pug. Dude does a whole set with a Krieg Dachshund in a gas mask(the reason I bought the set, I have 3 doxies).



Oh, I’ve got the Krieg Pug, and the other Pug alternates (Catachan, something else?).

Hadn’t seen this new dog though.

Who was the creator again?
Might have to go back and look again.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/25 19:27:06


Post by: SamusDrake


There now just needs to be one held by a Patrick Stewart Kreig yelling "Long live the Emperor!".


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/25 22:31:24


Post by: CragHack


I still think it's going to be new unit for Sisters of Silence with their pets. Oh, I just noticed the Aquila, it's more of 40k than Heresy.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 08:39:01


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


This should certainly be reposed here.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 08:48:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Look at that lil' webber peaking through!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 08:52:10


Post by: tauist


Ugh, Reikland Reavers in Space, not killing it. The old metal Arbites were far superior IMO

Soulshackle terrain (and therefore the book) OTOH is a must-have. Damn. This might be the first KT21 box I'll be selling stuff from, none of my mates need the models.. And I don't fancy either team.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 09:02:38


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
This should certainly be reposed here.


Those are some lovely sisters of silence/kasrkin


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 09:25:52


Post by: Siygess


The change to the helmets is.. not doing anything for me. If the Anvil Industries "Gothic Void Trooper" was Anvil's take on the Solar Auxilia, these helmets feel like GW's take on Anvil's take and the end result is a a bit too much Adepta Sororitas and not enough Judge Dredd.

But that's cool, head swaps should be easy enough..


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 09:50:40


Post by: Shakalooloo


 Siygess wrote:
The change to the helmets is.. not doing anything for me. If the Anvil Industries "Gothic Void Trooper" was Anvil's take on the Solar Auxilia, these helmets feel like GW's take on Anvil's take and the end result is a a bit too much Adepta Sororitas and not enough Judge Dredd.

But that's cool, head swaps should be easy enough..


It's like they've added a little Robocop to go with their Dredd, which is fine by me.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 09:52:27


Post by: Tsagualsa


 Shakalooloo wrote:
 Siygess wrote:
The change to the helmets is.. not doing anything for me. If the Anvil Industries "Gothic Void Trooper" was Anvil's take on the Solar Auxilia, these helmets feel like GW's take on Anvil's take and the end result is a a bit too much Adepta Sororitas and not enough Judge Dredd.

But that's cool, head swaps should be easy enough..


It's like they've added a little Robocop to go with their Dredd, which is fine by me.


Alternative heads are also among the easiest conversions, and there are several not-Arbites heads available online.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 09:54:27


Post by: aphyon


Well they kind of had to change the helmet....since they stole the original design from judge dread.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 09:59:29


Post by: JWBS



They seem okay, a bit overdone but not too bad. Shield looks a bit small, and only one shield shown I think it's a safe bet they'll be duo-pose like most kits are these days




Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 10:02:34


Post by: Irdiumstern


The only real miss is the gimp helmet, the other ones are fine.
Didn't the article say that you'd be able to build a whole riot shield squad for 40k?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 10:04:46


Post by: JWBS


Dunno I've not read it yet. I like that there's 11 guys included, feels like a bonus.

/Yes article says multiple loadouts (shotguns, shields mentioned, plus these specialists shown).


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 10:06:07


Post by: beast_gts


Irdiumstern wrote:
Didn't the article say that you'd be able to build a whole riot shield squad for 40k?
I'm sure the stream said you could build them all as shotguns, maul & shield or specialists.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 10:18:53


Post by: Tsagualsa


beast_gts wrote:
Irdiumstern wrote:
Didn't the article say that you'd be able to build a whole riot shield squad for 40k?
I'm sure the stream said you could build them all as shotguns, maul & shield or specialists.


There's also at least one webgun shown in the background shot that is not on the presentation shots, so there's more options in the kit than currently shown.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 10:30:15


Post by: Scottywan82


This kit is just so good. All shotguns, all mauls/shields, or specialists? 10/10. I want at least three of these units and I need to convert up a Judge.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 11:36:42


Post by: Lord Damocles


The guy who forgot his proper weapons and boarded the space hulk with only his pistol must feel pretty dumb.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 11:39:30


Post by: Tsagualsa


 Lord Damocles wrote:
The guy who forgot his proper weapons and boarded the space hulk with only his pistol must feel pretty dumb.


About as dumb as the guy who packed the standard manacles instead the four-hooped version for genestealers


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 11:41:42


Post by: NAVARRO


Remind me of stormcast in space.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 12:14:26


Post by: The_Real_Chris


 Lord Damocles wrote:
The guy who forgot his proper weapons and boarded the space hulk with only his pistol must feel pretty dumb.


He was already overburdened waddling along with his clearly weighty steel balls.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 12:25:48


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Full shots.

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

They'd better be available on their own!

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Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 12:45:27


Post by: Lord Damocles


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

Which would be nice, but I'd be concerned about them being abandonware like Servants of the Abyss or the unique Kill Teams.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 12:47:08


Post by: Shakalooloo


 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

Which would be nice, but I'd be concerned about them being abandonware like Servants of the Abyss or the unique Kill Teams.


Unlikely if they have multiple builds on the sprue. The servants, the Gellarpox and the Starstriders were all very solidly monopose.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 13:00:06


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Get daaahn Ernie, it’s the filth!

Kind of like these, but they’re oddly skinny.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 13:27:56


Post by: Mentlegen324


 aphyon wrote:
Well they kind of had to change the helmet....since they stole the original design from judge dread.





They took inspiration from it, especially as GW used to make Judge Dredd Miniatures.

Neither is the style of helmet owned by Judge Dredd where no one else can use it, that sort of thing was generally been shown on Arbites even this many years after the original miniatures. They did not need to change it.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 13:30:48


Post by: Patriarch


I love these, but the unarmoured bellies are a bit odd. There are squishy bits there, and even a judge needs those bits to function!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 13:36:33


Post by: El Torro


I’m not a fan of these Arbites, They remind me of Sisters of Battle, in a bad way. Not that I dislike Sororitas, I just want my Arbites to look the part.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 13:39:09


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

Which would be nice, but I'd be concerned about them being abandonware like Servants of the Abyss or the unique Kill Teams.


Oh that's a given.

I mean how many weird random units are out there with just PDF rules?

Starstriders, 2 or 3 different Traitor Guard units, Navy Breachers, who knows what else.

Unless GW is planning an 'all the rest' book these guys rules will never survive into 10th.

I'll buy them, later count them as Guard, or Sisters or whatever. It's what I was already doing.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Patriarch wrote:
I love these, but the unarmoured bellies are a bit odd. There are squishy bits there, and even a judge needs those bits to function!


Kevlar tunic and subdermal armor?

Yeah it's a bit of an odd design but I like the glimpse of the formal looking uniform under the armor.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 13:56:46


Post by: Tsagualsa


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

Which would be nice, but I'd be concerned about them being abandonware like Servants of the Abyss or the unique Kill Teams.


Oh that's a given.

I mean how many weird random units are out there with just PDF rules?

Starstriders, 2 or 3 different Traitor Guard units, Navy Breachers, who knows what else.

Unless GW is planning an 'all the rest' book these guys rules will never survive into 10th.

I'll buy them, later count them as Guard, or Sisters or whatever. It's what I was already doing.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Patriarch wrote:
I love these, but the unarmoured bellies are a bit odd. There are squishy bits there, and even a judge needs those bits to function!


Kevlar tunic and subdermal armor?

Yeah it's a bit of an odd design but I like the glimpse of the formal looking uniform under the armor.


I sure hope an 'Agents of the Imperium' book will collect all these random dudes - the chances are not that bad for as long as Kill Team plastic sets remain in production, these have to be enough of an investment that furthering their sale via cross-selling them to 40k players seems to be a no-brainer.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 14:16:15


Post by: Voss


El Torro wrote:
I’m not a fan of these Arbites, They remind me of Sisters of Battle, in a bad way. Not that I dislike Sororitas, I just want my Arbites to look the part.


Same. They have the Required Design Elements, but they're not meshed or blended together in a way that feels reasonable or looks good. The armor here is particularly blah.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 14:33:58


Post by: Haighus


Arbites uniforms are armoured (probably flak weave) so the abdomen isn't unprotected- sort of the 40k equivalent to mail covering the gaps between plate. Probably should have a second carapace plate over the abdomen though.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 14:45:16


Post by: deano2099


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Full shots.

Note that they're all supposed to have shotgun and shield/maul builds AND 40k rules.

They'd better be available on their own!


They usually come out on their own when the next box comes out (about three months later)


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 16:37:42


Post by: xerxeskingofking


Ok, some speculation on the 40k stats (i don't know enough about kill team to say what their rules their will be)

- the shotguns will be like most other shotguns: 18", assault 2, str 4 ap 1 D1.

-the shields are, i'd assume, something like storm shield lite/combat shield/endurant shield of the breachers: a 5++ and +1 to armour saves. assuming a 4+ armour save, i'd say these guys in melee build are going to have reasonable staying power for unaugmented humans.

-the shock maul is a bit on a unknown to me. I'm temped to say it would be a generic str user ap-1 melee weapon, but we could look at the other electric based weapons we have in the game. the necron tesla weapons and the admech taser weapons both have "6 to hit causes 2 wound rolls", so maybe they will go that route with exploding 6s? would be cool, even on a low str and AP weapon.

the special weapons are also a little vague. theirs clearly a sniper option and what looks like a heavy stubber/other machine gun. sniper is likely heavy 1, str 4 ap-1 and ignores Look out sir. That MG is intresting, though, its destinctly different in design than most stubbers we have seen, which almost all have circular barrels with no supporting furniture, very much like a classic US .30 cal, this looks much more like a substained fire version of the autogun with a full length stock?

interestingly, in the wide shots it looks like the sniper and the heavy gunner are two seperate models judging by thier foot postions, not alt builds of the same guy. i like this.

I think i saw a flamer or flamer like weapon in the video, or is that the Webber that maddoc is on about?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 16:49:47


Post by: The_Real_Chris


I would have prefered the older style kneepads rather than the knight armour/SoB knee armour.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:23:39


Post by: usernamesareannoying


im in the i like them camp.
i am seriously confused by the gimp mask though.
is that an attempt at a grim dark ski mask?
hopefully there are spare heads to get rid of that one.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:38:50


Post by: Flinty


Its one of those tacticool breacher masks isn't it? Just with some added spikes.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:39:27


Post by: KillerAngel


xerxeskingofking wrote:
That MG is intresting, though, its destinctly different in design than most stubbers we have seen, which almost all have circular barrels with no supporting furniture, very much like a classic US .30 cal, this looks much more like a substained fire version of the autogun with a full length stock?

The muzzle device (functionally non-function flash suppressor) is definitively heavy stubber, though it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled an ironhail stubber and gave it AP-1, because 9E.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:41:19


Post by: Flinty


KillerAngel wrote:
xerxeskingofking wrote:
That MG is intresting, though, its destinctly different in design than most stubbers we have seen, which almost all have circular barrels with no supporting furniture, very much like a classic US .30 cal, this looks much more like a substained fire version of the autogun with a full length stock?

The muzzle device (functionally non-function flash suppressor) is definitively heavy stubber, though it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled an ironhail stubber and gave it AP-1, because 9E.



It matches the original Van Saar heavy stubber aesthetic quite closely.

edit - this one (not mine, posted by hammeyaneggs an awfully long time ago )



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:42:40


Post by: KillerAngel


 usernamesareannoying wrote:
im in the i like them camp.
i am seriously confused by the gimp mask though.
is that an attempt at a grim dark ski mask?
hopefully there are spare heads to get rid of that one.

Give him the left arm holding the leash, and with the chained manacles we have ourselves a fun Friday night.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:47:12


Post by: Mr Morden


Arbites seem one of the better reveals this time around - but yeah agree that the riot shield seems very small


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 17:58:28


Post by: bantha_beast


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Get daaahn Ernie, it’s the filth!



I hope they're planning a set of baddies that look like Big Vern!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 19:19:31


Post by: Paymaster Games


I love this so much, i just hope on the weapons they have is grenade launcher so i can use my old unit that is in storage right now.

This is starting to look like the Agents of the Imperium may be getting a full army, if you add in the other micro factions, like the Inquisition, Assassins, Navy and now Arbites together and give them access to basic transports like rhinos or something similar and/or Valkyries, you would have a full faction. What are your thoughts?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 19:28:51


Post by: TalonZahn


El Torro wrote:
I’m not a fan of these Arbites, They remind me of Sisters of Battle, in a bad way. Not that I dislike Sororitas, I just want my Arbites to look the part.


Battle Misters of Arbites

I agree, they look too much like Sororitas and definitely shouldn't.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 19:45:22


Post by: Pariah Press


I've very happy to see Arbites getting new models (and rules).

These are quite a bit more medieval-looking than the various previous Arbites models. They may take some getting used to. Very cool-looking models, though!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 19:56:24


Post by: Tyel


Not really the topic - but I really dislike the DE addon sprue.

For some reason all of these sprues have screamed uncanny valley - like someone's taken the classic kit and added bits from another manufacturer - and this is no different. Not sure if its just that I've seen these kits hundreds of times so it always feels like an alien imposition - but still.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/27 20:00:45


Post by: Tsagualsa


Tyel wrote:
Not really the topic - but I really dislike the DE addon sprue.

For some reason all of these sprues have screamed uncanny valley - like someone's taken the classic kit and added bits from another manufacturer - and this is no different. Not sure if its just that I've seen these kits hundreds of times so it always feels like an alien imposition - but still.


IMHO it's because the purely add-on sprues lack any feeling of weight and gravity when added to the existing sculpts - stuff like the feathers and charms on the DE don't quite hang right, it gives models in static poses a weird feeling of movement and dynamic models a static appearance, and causes what can only be described as vertigo.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/28 23:07:10


Post by: Taarnak


I had such high hopes for the Arbites release. The Enforcers were awesome, which gave me hope for the real deal.

Alas. Oh well, at least some of the parts will be useful.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/28 23:41:26


Post by: complex57


I like them. I realize tastes vary, but I was put off by the Enforcers and like the update to the classic Arbites.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 04:16:07


Post by: Dread Master


The enforcers are better proportioned than the new Arbites, but I still dig the release. Looking forward to seeing the whole kit.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 08:42:13


Post by: Shakalooloo


Dread Master wrote:
The enforcers are better proportioned than the new Arbites, but I still dig the release. Looking forward to seeing the whole kit.


The enforcers are also very tall; I hope these new arbitrators are closer to human height.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 09:19:43


Post by: tauist


I've been gawking at these some more, and while I still feel these are yet another Blood Bowl team cameo in KT21 (just as the Novitiates were), I figured I can salvage 5 sculpts from the Arbites kit, the rest are just too derp for me.

Also dawned on me that since I haven't yet built my Navy Breachers, these Arbites could perhaps be kitbashed with them.. to create more medieval looking Navy Breachers Or more hitech looking Arbites.. like, How would the arbites look with Navy Breacher helmets? etc They both got the Robocop visor.. I hope they are compatible scalewise (ie as tall as each other)



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 11:31:04


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Taarnak wrote:
I had such high hopes for the Arbites release. The Enforcers were awesome, which gave me hope for the real deal.

Alas. Oh well, at least some of the parts will be useful.


Out of curiosity what don't you like?

I'd have preferred the padded knee and elbow pads but realize that might be a bit too Judge Dredd in these more litigious times. I love that they kept the hat with the HUGE EAGLE on it, the Arbites always had a mix of Tacticool and Medieval Stupidity.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 14:20:14


Post by: Grot 6


Necromunda does them better...

SMH.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 14:42:08


Post by: Dread Master


 Shakalooloo wrote:
Dread Master wrote:
The enforcers are better proportioned than the new Arbites, but I still dig the release. Looking forward to seeing the whole kit.


The enforcers are also very tall; I hope these new arbitrators are closer to human height.


Harder and harder to tell with the more recent base size shenanigans, but my best guess would be Kasrkin height. Looks to me like they are on 28mm bases.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 14:47:01


Post by: JWBS


 tauist wrote:
I've been gawking at these some more, and while I still feel these are yet another Blood Bowl team cameo in KT21 (just as the Novitiates were), I figured I can salvage 5 sculpts from the Arbites kit, the rest are just too derp for me.

Also dawned on me that since I haven't yet built my Navy Breachers, these Arbites could perhaps be kitbashed with them.. to create more medieval looking Navy Breachers Or more hitech looking Arbites.. like, How would the arbites look with Navy Breacher helmets? etc They both got the Robocop visor.. I hope they are compatible scalewise (ie as tall as each other)


We've essentially only seen 1/3 of the options. If the riot shield / shotgun guy happen to be two of the models that you like, you can have both of those x10, with some favoured specialists thrown in too.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 16:38:35


Post by: Taarnak


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Taarnak wrote:
I had such high hopes for the Arbites release. The Enforcers were awesome, which gave me hope for the real deal.

Alas. Oh well, at least some of the parts will be useful.


Out of curiosity what don't you like?

I'd have preferred the padded knee and elbow pads but realize that might be a bit too Judge Dredd in these more litigious times. I love that they kept the hat with the HUGE EAGLE on it, the Arbites always had a mix of Tacticool and Medieval Stupidity.

The style of armor mostly. The medieval look would be fine for the Enforcers, but the brutal oppressors look should have been kept for the Arbites.

They would have been fine keeping the Jes Goodwin 2nd Edition era aesthetic I believe. They have been using it for several decades now after all, and have not exactly hidden it. Hell, given the craziness of IP law they may be able to claim the Dredd design at this point. lol

The thing that bothers me most is the exposed midriff, I think. Really stupid design decision IMO. If the cloth "armor" underneath the plates is good enough, why bother with the plates at all? If the plates are necessary, then the exposed midriff is an huge failure.

I do like a lot of the rest of the kit. The helmets especially. Love the dog too. Not sure about the Gimp mask though...


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 16:56:36


Post by: Shadow Walker


 Taarnak wrote:

The thing that bothers me most is the exposed midriff, I think. Really stupid design decision IMO. If the cloth "armor" underneath the plates is good enough, why bother with the plates at all? If the plates are necessary, then the exposed midriff is an huge failure.

Yeah, that part is bothering me too. Had not noticed it when first looking at them but after I gave it a second look I cannot stop thinking why would they make such a weird choice? I know it is a 40k but still.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 17:01:10


Post by: Shakalooloo


The main change from the Goodwin sketches seems to be which shoulder is 'the big one'!

Spoiler:


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 18:01:50


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Uh, what? That sketch just brings home how different these Arbites actually are. The helmets, torsos, leg armor and knee pads…all totally different. The only thing they kept from the sketch were the two arms, two legs, and a head.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 18:07:32


Post by: Shakalooloo


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Uh, what? That sketch just brings home how different these Arbites actually are. The helmets, torsos, leg armor and knee pads…all totally different. The only thing they kept from the sketch were the two arms, two legs, and a head.


They maintain the single slit visor, the exposed mouth, the unarmoured abdomen and the plating placement. The style of the knee- and shoulder-pads sure has changed, and the body cam has been added, but they're still recognisably the same 'thing'. The biggest changes seem to be the direct Dredd knockoffs, like the chained badge and such.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 18:18:54


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Those drawings seem to show full carapace armor, even covering the abdomen. The pecs are cared out/enhanced, but they are not the entire torso armor.

Saying these helmets are the same because they both have an exposed mouth and eyeslits is like saying a scuba mask is the same as a hazmat mask.

The new minis look more like Tempestus Scions and Sororitas in their medieval style armor than they look like old Arbites.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 18:59:18


Post by: Dread Master


To say that this iteration of the Arbites looks more like sisters of battle than the originals is pretty funny. Even funnier to suggest they look more like Scions. If I stood one of the new ones next to an example of the older versions, a sister and a scion, and then asked my six year old who it looked most like, I know what she’d say lol.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 19:16:24


Post by: alextroy


 Taarnak wrote:
The thing that bothers me most is the exposed midriff, I think. Really stupid design decision IMO. If the cloth "armor" underneath the plates is good enough, why bother with the plates at all? If the plates are necessary, then the exposed midriff is an huge failure.
Phobos Marines and the Cadians would like to discuss this with you

I think this lack of lower torso armor is a GW thing. They do that on a lot of models.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 20:49:05


Post by: Taarnak


 alextroy wrote:
Phobos Marines and the Cadians would like to discuss this with you

I think this lack of lower torso armor is a GW thing. They do that on a lot of models.

I can accept it for both of those examples, when I cannot for Arbites.

Here's why:
1. Phobos Marines. Well, they're Space Marines, right? Their undersuit is definitely more protective than cloth. Plus, Space Marines. Also, I did find that silly here too, but I was willing to look the other way, because: Space Marines.
2. Cadians. They aren't wearing Carapace Armor. Theirs is more like a Plate Carrier, to put it in modern terms. If you only want to wear a little extra protection, then the heart and lungs are the organs to protect.

The Arbites are supposed to be wearing heavy, protective Carapace Armor. If you aren't going to cover all of the delicate bits you can, why bother with the weight and restriction to your movement?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 21:28:44


Post by: JohnnyHell


Dread Master wrote:
To say that this iteration of the Arbites looks more like sisters of battle than the originals is pretty funny. Even funnier to suggest they look more like Scions. If I stood one of the new ones next to an example of the older versions, a sister and a scion, and then asked my six year old who it looked most like, I know what she’d say lol.




“Daddy what’s funny is that you can’t see similarities. They all look the same is my tea ready I want fish fingers?”





Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 22:06:12


Post by: Bob Lorgar


I'm guessing a lot of people may find them "medieval" looking because of the angular nature of the boots and chest plate, which has been really strongly highlighted by the GW painters. I'd imagine that if you took about 30 seconds with a file, you could smooth those out the creases running up and down the center of boots/chest pieces to a more traditional rounded shape.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 22:34:11


Post by: TalonZahn


Dread Master wrote:
To say that this iteration of the Arbites looks more like sisters of battle than the originals is pretty funny. Even funnier to suggest they look more like Scions. If I stood one of the new ones next to an example of the older versions, a sister and a scion, and then asked my six year old who it looked most like, I know what she’d say lol.


Something like;

"Why is the policeman wearing the nuns clothes?"

They look like Sisters, not like Arbites.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 22:51:00


Post by: The_Real_Chris


Bob Lorgar wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of people may find them "medieval" looking because of the angular nature of the boots and chest plate, which has been really strongly highlighted by the GW painters. I'd imagine that if you took about 30 seconds with a file, you could smooth those out the creases running up and down the center of boots/chest pieces to a more traditional rounded shape.


I am wondering how tricky it will be to give them the old style knee pads. Can do it with just scoring lines or does it need greenstuf?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 22:57:43


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Weird that they are 100% Arbites, but so much of them has changed.

Some elements found their way into the Enforcers:



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/29 22:59:48


Post by: Dread Master


 JohnnyHell wrote:
Dread Master wrote:
To say that this iteration of the Arbites looks more like sisters of battle than the originals is pretty funny. Even funnier to suggest they look more like Scions. If I stood one of the new ones next to an example of the older versions, a sister and a scion, and then asked my six year old who it looked most like, I know what she’d say lol.




“Daddy what’s funny is that you can’t see similarities. They all look the same is my tea ready I want fish fingers?”

Similar is not what was said. Looks more like…. than…. Is what was said. If all that was said was they were similar looking, well, there would have been no comment to be made. And saying they look like sisters, not Arbites….. well that’s just silly.




Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 00:37:33


Post by: Galas


The biggest change is the helmet and the legs. The new helmet and legs are 100% medieval armour styled. The old ones were much more "Modern".

I like both looks, and I like the new miniatures. But they are clearly different.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 07:29:40


Post by: drbored


Main reason they don't look like old Arbites models is because the original Arbites models came out in like 1994.

NINETEEN NINETY FOUR

Nearly 30 years ago. I'd totally understand if a toddler couldn't tell that they were the same model.

Either way, if you think they look like Sisters of Battle, good for you. That is such an unimportant opinion and yet here we are discussing it.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 07:46:42


Post by: Jadenim


Hmmm, you’ve got me thinking now; the weakest point of the Enforcers to me has always been the helmets (too Primaris-y); I’m wondering if the new Arbites kit will have enough variations to also equip my Enforcers?

(And yes, I know third-party Arbites helmets are one of the more common products, I’ve just never gotten round to buying any and I’m getting this box anyway, so may as well use the spares…)


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 08:11:04


Post by: lord_blackfang


Hmmm I don't usually agree with these comparisons but I guess they do look more like knights and less like Judge Dredd / uparmoured rugby players. You might be able to kitbash them with Blood Bowl to get something more like the classics.

Or print the ones by Monstrous Encounters


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 12:13:55


Post by: Geifer


The new Arbites are an accident. We wanted dreddful new models, but somehow GW must have misunderstood.

drbored wrote:
Main reason they don't look like old Arbites models is because the original Arbites models came out in like 1994.

NINETEEN NINETY FOUR

Nearly 30 years ago. I'd totally understand if a toddler couldn't tell that they were the same model.

Either way, if you think they look like Sisters of Battle, good for you. That is such an unimportant opinion and yet here we are discussing it.


Battle Sisters are almost as old, but you'll find a lot of people appreciate the faithful remake in plastic. There is nothing unimportant about continuity in design in a hobby with an aesthetic component. It's one of the bigger topics. A lot of people like that Battle Sisters stayed their classic design, to stay with that example. Yet you also had people who wanted a move away from boob plate armor, for instance.

Genestealer Cultists also draw from designs that old and that has not been a detriment to their reception.

The new Arbites design deviates from the classic design quite a bit. Especially the feel of the helmet, which is one of the worst things you can do as people's eyes are naturally drawn to the head to identify someone. You don't have to mind. That's a perfectly valid opinion. But some people had hoped for a faithful remake over a redesign and are understandably disappointed.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 12:27:51


Post by: The Phazer


Yeah, I like the new models, but they aren't especially faithful to metal Jez sculpts, they are significantly more gothic.

Odd really given GW design is leaning more tacticool nowadays, but it is what it is.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 13:38:06


Post by: TalonZahn


drbored wrote:
Main reason they don't look like old Arbites models is because the original Arbites models came out in like 1994.

NINETEEN NINETY FOUR

Nearly 30 years ago. I'd totally understand if a toddler couldn't tell that they were the same model.

Either way, if you think they look like Sisters of Battle, good for you. That is such an unimportant opinion and yet here we are discussing it.


How entirely childish of you.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 21:04:53


Post by: drbored


 TalonZahn wrote:
drbored wrote:
Main reason they don't look like old Arbites models is because the original Arbites models came out in like 1994.

NINETEEN NINETY FOUR

Nearly 30 years ago. I'd totally understand if a toddler couldn't tell that they were the same model.

Either way, if you think they look like Sisters of Battle, good for you. That is such an unimportant opinion and yet here we are discussing it.


How entirely childish of you.




Welcome to dakkadakka


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/30 23:50:06


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Bob Lorgar wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of people may find them "medieval" looking because of the angular nature of the boots and chest plate, which has been really strongly highlighted by the GW painters. I'd imagine that if you took about 30 seconds with a file, you could smooth those out the creases running up and down the center of boots/chest pieces to a more traditional rounded shape.

Why stop there? File the forearm, thigh and knee plates to look more like “law enforcement” armor. You can also file off all of the buttons and hems from the soft belly to make it look like an indented part of the carapace. Then file the top of the visor plate smooth with the rest of the helmet. Then congratulate yourself for “saving” the hilariously expensive yet disappointing models you just bought instead of buying better models at a more attractive price.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 03:47:48


Post by: Bob Lorgar


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Bob Lorgar wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of people may find them "medieval" looking because of the angular nature of the boots and chest plate, which has been really strongly highlighted by the GW painters. I'd imagine that if you took about 30 seconds with a file, you could smooth those out the creases running up and down the center of boots/chest pieces to a more traditional rounded shape.

Why stop there? File the forearm, thigh and knee plates to look more like “law enforcement” armor. You can also file off all of the buttons and hems from the soft belly to make it look like an indented part of the carapace. Then file the top of the visor plate smooth with the rest of the helmet. Then congratulate yourself for “saving” the hilariously expensive yet disappointing models you just bought instead of buying better models at a more attractive price.


Well excuse me for offering a quick, easy, and likely effective fix. I apologize for trying to help.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 04:07:27


Post by: Voss


 The Phazer wrote:
Yeah, I like the new models, but they aren't especially faithful to metal Jez sculpts, they are significantly more gothic.

Odd really given GW design is leaning more tacticool nowadays, but it is what it is.


Well, they've got random elements of that, too. It doesn't do them any favors.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 05:58:44


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Bob Lorgar wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Bob Lorgar wrote:
I'm guessing a lot of people may find them "medieval" looking because of the angular nature of the boots and chest plate, which has been really strongly highlighted by the GW painters. I'd imagine that if you took about 30 seconds with a file, you could smooth those out the creases running up and down the center of boots/chest pieces to a more traditional rounded shape.

Why stop there? File the forearm, thigh and knee plates to look more like “law enforcement” armor. You can also file off all of the buttons and hems from the soft belly to make it look like an indented part of the carapace. Then file the top of the visor plate smooth with the rest of the helmet. Then congratulate yourself for “saving” the hilariously expensive yet disappointing models you just bought instead of buying better models at a more attractive price.


Well excuse me for offering a quick, easy, and likely effective fix. I apologize for trying to help.


I read your tone as dismissing disappointment in their redesign as some trivial thing easy to fix. If that was not your intention, I apologize.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 06:19:06


Post by: Gitkikka


Tsagualsa wrote:

About as dumb as the guy who packed the standard manacles instead the four-hooped version for genestealers


"He's a Peeler, 716. Come to arrest the genestealers."


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 07:33:02


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


drbored wrote:
Main reason they don't look like old Arbites models is because the original Arbites models came out in like 1994.

NINETEEN NINETY FOUR

Nearly 30 years ago. I'd totally understand if a toddler couldn't tell that they were the same model.

Either way, if you think they look like Sisters of Battle, good for you. That is such an unimportant opinion and yet here we are discussing it.


Point of information

The ORIGINAL Arbites Models came out in year of our lord 1988



The models you're talking about are for posers and NOOBS.

But if you're a REAL ARBITES PLAYER and not some bandwagon jumper from 1994 then you know the ORIGINAL ORIGINAL Arbites models were made in Anno Domini 1987 and were Judge Dredd models with green stuff!



(Still available from Wargames Foundry BTW)

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/ex-citadel-games-workshop-fantasy-sci-fi/products/ba001-empirical-absolution-and-liquidation-squad


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 09:03:38


Post by: tauist


 Shakalooloo wrote:
The main change from the Goodwin sketches seems to be which shoulder is 'the big one'!

Spoiler:


Man, looking at these Jes Goodwin sketches makes me sad. The new ones are an abomination


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 09:18:16


Post by: JWBS


I'm going to be the first person to replace the Arbites heads with Skitarii Vanguard heads.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 09:46:29


Post by: ekwatts


Yeah, the idea of Arbites has always borrowed heavily from the Judge Dredd influence, with the "original" figures having been resculpts from when GW held the license. The subsequent iterations have featured some flavour of the Galaxy's Greatest Comic's lawman of the future, too, in terms of their designs. Bear in mind that many artists worked on both 2000AD and producing artwork for GW throughout the 80s and 90s, and the use of eagle iconography for both the Dreddverse Justice Department and the Warhammer 40,000 Imperium means there was almost no chance of ever really properly divorcing the designs. Back then, at least.

In fact, it's probably difficult to overstate the influence 2000AD has had on GW designs over the decades. The whole "big shoulderpads" sci fi was arguably started/popularised by 2000AD themselves.

That means that what many of us see as being "quintessential Arbites" design elements are probably, more accurately, quintessential Judge Dredd design elements... In the cold light of 2022/2023, I don't know how easily Rebellion (2000AD's owners and licensees of their own tabletop wargames based on 2000AD-derived universes) will simply let that go, nor do I think GW themselves want to make that influence as explicit in their models as they have done over the previous 30+ years.

So I get why people don't love them. But I don't mind them. There's a bunch of different routes you can go with the concept of "futuristic policemen", and GW have already done one flavour with the Palatine Enforcers. So going the opposite direction with the Arbites, leaning into the gothic feel, that's just as valid. (Crossover with the Sisters makes sense to me, too)

If you want them to be more Judge Dredd... Those options are out there for you.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 12:32:41


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


JWBS wrote:
I'm going to be the first person to replace the Arbites heads with Skitarii Vanguard heads.


Sounds like a good idea.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 12:57:41


Post by: JWBS


I'm not actually gonna do that I like their heads, just a little joke


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 16:34:34


Post by: Dryaktylus


 lord_blackfang wrote:
No doubt there will eventually be GW Facebook poll on which is their best plastic dog.


Not a poll, but here you go. Yes, it was inevitable.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 18:21:37


Post by: NH Gunsmith


 Dryaktylus wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
No doubt there will eventually be GW Facebook poll on which is their best plastic dog.


Not a poll, but here you go. Yes, it was inevitable.


Hah. Was a decently fun read.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 19:09:54


Post by: tauist


JWBS wrote:
 tauist wrote:
I've been gawking at these some more, and while I still feel these are yet another Blood Bowl team cameo in KT21 (just as the Novitiates were), I figured I can salvage 5 sculpts from the Arbites kit, the rest are just too derp for me.

Also dawned on me that since I haven't yet built my Navy Breachers, these Arbites could perhaps be kitbashed with them.. to create more medieval looking Navy Breachers Or more hitech looking Arbites.. like, How would the arbites look with Navy Breacher helmets? etc They both got the Robocop visor.. I hope they are compatible scalewise (ie as tall as each other)


We've essentially only seen 1/3 of the options. If the riot shield / shotgun guy happen to be two of the models that you like, you can have both of those x10, with some favoured specialists thrown in too.


It's not about the loadout, its about the poses (and the outfit, to a degree)

Here are the 5 sculpts I find palatable, the rest are IMHO missing the mark (jut my opinion, YMMV as usual)




Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 20:16:40


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Dryaktylus wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
No doubt there will eventually be GW Facebook poll on which is their best plastic dog.


Not a poll, but here you go. Yes, it was inevitable.


That was fun!

Plus...

Let’s be honest, none of these other dogs have the majesty or poise of the R-VR, so adopt your own when Kill Team: Soulshackle arrives next month.


Soulshackle next month...

Tomorrow is next month...

Soulshackle is out tomorrow!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/01/31 20:39:51


Post by: Dryaktylus


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Let’s be honest, none of these other dogs have the majesty or poise of the R-VR, so adopt your own when Kill Team: Soulshackle arrives next month.


Soulshackle next month...

Tomorrow is next month...

Soulshackle is out tomorrow!


It may shackle your soul in some shadowy vaults, but if you're going into the dark places of your mind you'll notice that the next month is 28 days long. I hope this gallowing doesn't make you fall.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 08:48:35


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


A thought on the Arbites redesign, I agree it's more Space Knights than Space SWAT but there may be good reasons for that.

Without going into politics, police brutality is much more current issue these days and making the Arbites look realistic might be a bit uncomfortable.

(Tangent, I did not like the 2010s Judge Dredd film partly because it was too realistic, and lost the outrageous parody of Dredd walking around with his huge eagle shoulder pad and American shield belt buckle and everything. Once you make Dredd look like a motorcycle cop in a leather jacket you basically have an action hero cop, not a parody of action hero cops. /Tangent)

It's the same issue that Space Romans/Vikings/Knights hacking people up with chainsaws and yelling HERETIC is more acceptable than an army that looks more contemporary.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Dryaktylus wrote:


It may shackle your soul in some shadowy vaults, but if you're going into the dark places of your mind you'll notice that the next month is 28 days long. I hope this gallowing doesn't make you fall.


28 days! In a month? That's much too long to wait, they should shave some days from February. Maybe give them to the months named for Julius and August Caesar. Someone should talk to the Emperor about that.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 09:04:07


Post by: Olthannon


The one with the mask and the daft hair is the one I dislike the most. I'm going to be doing some extensive cutting and reshaping to get the Arbites in more interesting poses.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 12:45:54


Post by: tauist


That mask and daft hair dude actually reminds me of Space Marine Scouts somehow. They are an odd mismash of styles. OTOH this also means these will be great for kitbashing.

Yet, I find myself longing for anatomically correct looking renditions of Jes Goodwin Arbites sketches. Ohh they would be glorious!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 14:11:32


Post by: kendoka


 tauist wrote:
… I find myself longing for anatomically correct looking renditions of Jes Goodwin Arbites sketches. Ohh they would be glorious!


Are you claiming that the Goodwin pattern metal AA are not anatomically correct?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 16:42:21


Post by: ekwatts


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
A thought on the Arbites redesign, I agree it's more Space Knights than Space SWAT but there may be good reasons for that.

Without going into politics, police brutality is much more current issue these days and making the Arbites look realistic might be a bit uncomfortable.

(Tangent, I did not like the 2010s Judge Dredd film partly because it was too realistic, and lost the outrageous parody of Dredd walking around with his huge eagle shoulder pad and American shield belt buckle and everything. Once you make Dredd look like a motorcycle cop in a leather jacket you basically have an action hero cop, not a parody of action hero cops. /Tangent)

It's the same issue that Space Romans/Vikings/Knights hacking people up with chainsaws and yelling HERETIC is more acceptable than an army that looks more contemporary.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:


It may shackle your soul in some shadowy vaults, but if you're going into the dark places of your mind you'll notice that the next month is 28 days long. I hope this gallowing doesn't make you fall.


28 days! In a month? That's much too long to wait, they should shave some days from February. Maybe give them to the months named for Julius and August Caesar. Someone should talk to the Emperor about that.


Hmmmm. I suppose. I mean, I'm in my late thirties and fascistic future cops are as much a sci fi staple to me as.... well, modern day fascistic cops, to be honest. Reality is catching up, I guess, but with the sci fi cynicism replaced by blatant dumbness.

As for 2012 Dredd, I loved it. The comics haven't necessarily always been consistent in terms of the portrayal of Dredd and his world, either. The ridiculousness of the design was always complimented by the allegorical nature of the stories and plots, and frequently stood at odds with the darker and grittier stories. Something the Stallone film didn't seem to get was that Dredd as a character is NOT a superhero. There's nothing particularly special about him as a man (beyond the fact he's a clone), in a world stuffed full of freaks and weirdos and psychics and mutants, etc. What marks him out is that he ploughs into the absurd and uncompromising world he finds himself in with a similarly uncompromising attitude of his own. He is a physical manifestation of both the letter and spirit of the law. His superpower is, basically, stubbornness. It's literally the only reason he isn't dead. I thought the 2012 film captured that pretty well. He was a human being, with all the physical frailties that come with that fact. But he will not be broken. He will not stop. In that regard, he does have some heroic qualities. It's just that he operates under and as part of a fascistic system of oppression.

I do think GW could have got away with a little more Dredd influence on the new Arbites designs had they wanted to, but I get why they took another path. I agree partially that it was to perhaps avoid the more fascistic overtones and to avoid drawing comparisons with contemporary policing, either in the UK or the USA. So they went with a much more gothic look. And as different as it is, and as much as I understand those who wanted to see more of an update than a ground-up redesign, I still think it works.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 17:56:25


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh!

Oh!

Fightin’ Words right there!

But this isn’t the thread for it!

Dredd isn’t stubborn. At all. He’s campaigned for change when he’s witnessed The Law not resulting in Justice.

For his flaws, he’s not stubborn. Whether he personally agrees with a law or not? He follows it. If he genuinely feels it’s unjust, he’ll challenge it, through the proper channels. When the Democracy Movement was gathering steam? He gave them what they wanted. A democratic (genuinely) vote on whether to return to it. Justice Department won, because as Dredd predicted, most Cits just….don’t care.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 18:08:44


Post by: Shakalooloo


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For his flaws, he’s not stubborn. Whether he personally agrees with a law or not? He follows it. If he genuinely feels it’s unjust, he’ll challenge it, through the proper channels. When the Democracy Movement was gathering steam? He gave them what they wanted. A democratic (genuinely) vote on whether to return to it. Justice Department won, because as Dredd predicted, most Cits just….don’t care.


Even more recently (ten years or more now, oh...) he successfully fought to get mutants the right to live in Mega-City One. He's mellowing in his old age...


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 18:59:56


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Don't get me wrong, I love me some Dredd.

And like Batman, he just works for anything. Fight giant apes this week, do a noir drug investigation next week, take on an interdimensional demon the week after.

But there's always a air of absurdity about him and part of the joke is he does not realize it.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 19:14:49


Post by: Shakalooloo




Just so long as everyone's in on the joke...


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/02 19:35:17


Post by: tauist


 kendoka wrote:
 tauist wrote:
… I find myself longing for anatomically correct looking renditions of Jes Goodwin Arbites sketches. Ohh they would be glorious!


Are you claiming that the Goodwin pattern metal AA are not anatomically correct?


I dont think I have those? All I have (left) is this metal torso.. comparing it to contemporary plastics tells me the heads are massive, hands unnecessarily large, thighs on the skinny side.. How's the scale on the ones you speak? Still tall enough?




Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/03 04:04:01


Post by: JWBS


That one there is one of the second-string fnatic type of thing isn't it? ie Necro Enforcer that we all used to lump in with Arbites (except Arbite connoisseurs ofc they weren't so sloppy) but didn't look as good and turned out to be the result of a programme that put trainee sculptors to work doing Specialist games until they graduated to the main business. I seem to remember this one with a maul + shield (probably pistol option) and the other choice was a bald and pointing to his right with a very high, awkward-looking aim.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/03 04:55:13


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Fanatic minis at the time were things that had been made but weren't going to get a general release (for one way or another).

So those are Arbites - through and through - but were released as "Enforcers".

I've got a couple "squads" of them. They're nice, even if a little fragile from the completely flat contact points for the parts, especially the hands with the power mauls.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/03 09:16:16


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


JWBS wrote:
That one there is one of the second-string fnatic type of thing isn't it? ie Necro Enforcer that we all used to lump in with Arbites (except Arbite connoisseurs ofc they weren't so sloppy) but didn't look as good and turned out to be the result of a programme that put trainee sculptors to work doing Specialist games until they graduated to the main business. I seem to remember this one with a maul + shield (probably pistol option) and the other choice was a bald and pointing to his right with a very high, awkward-looking aim.


Honestly I liked them and wish I'd gotten more when I could. One great thing from that wave of Specialist Games models is they had empty hands and sprues of weapons making converting a breeze.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 18:09:05


Post by: Tsagualsa


 Paymaster Games wrote:
I love this so much, i just hope on the weapons they have is grenade launcher so i can use my old unit that is in storage right now.

This is starting to look like the Agents of the Imperium may be getting a full army, if you add in the other micro factions, like the Inquisition, Assassins, Navy and now Arbites together and give them access to basic transports like rhinos or something similar and/or Valkyries, you would have a full faction. What are your thoughts?


You are in luck, the new preview image shows at least one grenade launcher:



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/05/sunday-preview-skirmish-games-reign-supreme/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sundaypreview05022023#gallery-1-1


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 18:12:39


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Rather like that Grenade Launcher.

No idea if it’s at all practical, but it looks sweet.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 18:14:50


Post by: Tsagualsa


There's a lot of fun potential if they get the more exotic old-school grenades in some fashion, halucinogenic, panic gas and such.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 18:53:04


Post by: xttz


Haha are those chalk outline transfers for the Arbites


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 19:20:50


Post by: xerxeskingofking


 xttz wrote:
Haha are those chalk outline transfers for the Arbites


on the bases? they seem to be hazard markings of some sort, fitting the industrial/shipborne feeling of the kill team bases.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 19:34:13


Post by: xttz


Here:



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 20:15:20


Post by: Olthannon


I'm sorely tempted to pre order that for the scenery and Arbites. The Dark Eldar look crap though which is a real shame.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 20:22:12


Post by: Voss


 xttz wrote:
Haha are those chalk outline transfers for the Arbites


They've been on most of the Gallowdark releases' bases, along with the little bits of debris.

I guess they didn't want to package the Void War bases with any of the units, but they're so much better. At a lot of angles in preview photographs, models have looked like they're on unpainted bare plastic.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 20:23:13


Post by: Dryaktylus


 xttz wrote:
Here:



OK. That's great.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 20:54:29


Post by: tauist


those transfers just won the internets


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 20:58:26


Post by: Tsagualsa


I hope they include one with three arms or something


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/05 21:54:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I can't imagine where you'd use them, but that's pretty funny.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/06 03:56:20


Post by: timd


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Rather like that Grenade Launcher.

No idea if it’s at all practical, but it looks sweet.


Similar weapons have been around for a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manville_gun

Modern current version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkor_MGL


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/06 04:06:11


Post by: Voss


Maybe, but the model here just looks like the standard arbites shotgun with a glued on grenade canister and a different left arm holding the forward grip.

It kinda works, but also looks like it will get lost on the table and just look like another shotgun.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/06 04:16:54


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Assuming it is a Grenade Launcher at all, and not just a shotgun with a massive drum mag.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/06 21:48:19


Post by: Pariah Press


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assuming it is a Grenade Launcher at all, and not just a shotgun with a massive drum mag.


Yeah, it has so many design elements in common with the shotguns that I believe it's some sort of rapid-fire shotgun.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 01:15:00


Post by: Vain


 Pariah Press wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assuming it is a Grenade Launcher at all, and not just a shotgun with a massive drum mag.


Yeah, it has so many design elements in common with the shotguns that I believe it's some sort of rapid-fire shotgun.


The particularly high aiming ladder at the rear of the 'weapon in question' makes it solidly in the "grenade launcher" camp for me.

Immediately brought to mind of the ladder for the iconic M79 with the implication that it was meant to be shot in an arc, not directly.
Spoiler:


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 01:36:25


Post by: Pariah Press


You make a convincing case!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 13:38:37


Post by: Tallonian4th


Those decal chalk outlines are yet another reason to look forward to the Arbites. Not sure where on Earth I will use them. A crime scene around a relic in the middle of a battle? Whoever wins a game of Cluedo claims the relic.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 14:02:16


Post by: JohnnyHell


It’s 100% a grenade launcher.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 14:02:51


Post by: xerxeskingofking


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/07/adeptus-arbites-exaction-squads-are-bristling-with-correctional-gadgets/


So, some more info here, including that they do indeed have webbers, so we'll dobe that sharp eyed man.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 14:03:47


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Also a Meltagun.

And it’s not a Stub Pistol. It’s a Shot Pistol.


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No. Not a melta. I think that’s the Webber.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 14:38:55


Post by: GaroRobe


The chalk outline transfers are pretty funny but I can’t see much use for them. Maybe a necromunda board


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 14:48:51


Post by: Voss


Not going to lie, I didn't expect shields (and mauls) for the whole squad.

The 'grenade launcher' is one piece, with joins at the wrest and forearm. huh. Though most of the other guns have the full right arm up to the shoulder join.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 16:24:00


Post by: Patriarch


And enough "normal" Arbites helmets to avoid using the weird ones, if you so wish. Which I do...


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 18:02:44


Post by: MonkeyBallistic




Personally, I think GW are pronouncing it incorrectly.

I like to pronounce GW’s dodgy fake Latin as if it was actual Latin. It should be ar-BEE-tays, not ar-bee-TEES.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 18:15:35


Post by: Shakalooloo


The loudspeaker drone can be on its own base! Excellent!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 18:17:57


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


It’s a stunningly gorgeous kit. However, I’ll be waiting for it’s release outside of the Kill Team box. I can’t justify buying both a Kill Team box and a Warcry box in the same week.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 18:28:06


Post by: EmperorsChampion


Growing up with warhammer I only ever wanted two things. Custodes and Arbites...my dream has finally come to completion. This kit is amazing and I really want to grab a box or two depending on how they mesh with current Imperial forces.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 19:44:16


Post by: Santtu



You must use the trademarked pronunciation or else!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:01:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


The "sniper rile" really is a shotgun with a scope/suppressor.

And the shotpistol is interesting. That's gonna have some kick to it.



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:04:18


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The "sniper rile" really is a shotgun with a scope/suppressor.

And the shotpistol is interesting. That's gonna have some kick to it.



And that is gonna hurt, because there’s a scope on it!

Now a question for those familiar with Kill Team. See I appreciate its squad based, and you have access to Specialists. Yet this Arbites Set has bits enough to make the entire kit sans Specialists of any kind.

Is that suggestive this will get proper 40K rules at some point - or is Kill Team like Necromunda, where you can have a pool of fresh bullet catchers to add in as the campaign progresses?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:05:54


Post by: Tsagualsa


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The "sniper rile" really is a shotgun with a scope/suppressor.

And the shotpistol is interesting. That's gonna have some kick to it.



And that is gonna hurt, because there’s a scope on it!

Now a question for those familiar with Kill Team. See I appreciate its squad based, and you have access to Specialists. Yet this Arbites Set has bits enough to make the entire kit sans Specialists of any kind.

Is that suggestive this will get proper 40K rules at some point - or is Kill Team like Necromunda, where you can have a pool of fresh bullet catchers to add in as the campaign progresses?


We already know that this kit will get 40k rules because the AoO list-building document mentions Arbites as possible troops for an 'Agents of the Imperium' detachment.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:06:31


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Fair point!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:10:36


Post by: Tsagualsa


Also, the community article from yesterday says that the kit builds two different squads for 40k as well as the Killteam, and that more information will be upcoming on that possibility.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:11:53


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Nice.

Might pick a box up when they’re on general release.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 20:59:07


Post by: xerxeskingofking


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The "sniper rile" really is a shotgun with a scope/suppressor.

And the shotpistol is interesting. That's gonna have some kick to it.



And that is gonna hurt, because there’s a scope on it!

Now a question for those familiar with Kill Team. See I appreciate its squad based, and you have access to Specialists. Yet this Arbites Set has bits enough to make the entire kit sans Specialists of any kind.

Is that suggestive this will get proper 40K rules at some point - or is Kill Team like Necromunda, where you can have a pool of fresh bullet catchers to add in as the campaign progresses?


basically every kill team kit has had 40K rules for it, and they have explictly confirmed that the arbites will have two datasheets for 40K: one with shotguns, one with mauls and sheilds.

so, yes, they will be useable in 40k.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 21:38:21


Post by: JohnnyHell


I mean, 9x squads worth of transfers? Absolutely pitched as an army, even if only a Detachment in one.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 22:29:08


Post by: Lord Damocles


'Arbites have shotguns, right?'

'That's what people remember, sure'

'Then we'll have shotgun pistols...'

'Um'

'...and shotgun sniper rifles!'



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 22:37:42


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I can see a longer barrelled one, tooled for Executioner rounds making some kind of sense. At least by Imperial Standards of “sense”


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/07 23:49:03


Post by: H.B.M.C.


It's not really longer barrelled though. It has a suppressor, sure, but it's still a regular Arbites shotgun under there.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 00:04:19


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Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 02:25:21


Post by: Da Butcha


I like these a lot, but I have to admit that I like the new Necromunda Enforcers more. However, I do think that the existence of the Enforcers affected the design of these models a LOT.

You already have a plastic squad of 'law enforcement guys' who come with mauls, and riot shields, and shotguns. You can either rebox them and sell them for Kill Team, or you have to design a different squad, who have to look different.

So you use what visual cues for Arbites you haven't already used for Enforcers, and, when given a choice, you push the look in a direction different than the enforcer aesthetic. To be honest, if you don't like the looks of them, check out the Enforcers--the equipment is fundamentally swappable, barring some of the special gear.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 02:43:31


Post by: Dread Master


I would be very surprised if the enforcers were designed before these new Arbites. My guess is these were finished first, and the enforcers were the push into a new design space.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 09:39:40


Post by: warl0rdb0b


The only issue with that is that Enforcers have been out for what, 4-5 years by now? At best I'd say they were designed almost concurrently, or may have borrowed concepts from one or the other.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 10:15:26


Post by: stahly


Da Butcha wrote:
I like these a lot, but I have to admit that I like the new Necromunda Enforcers more. However, I do think that the existence of the Enforcers affected the design of these models a LOT.

You already have a plastic squad of 'law enforcement guys' who come with mauls, and riot shields, and shotguns. You can either rebox them and sell them for Kill Team, or you have to design a different squad, who have to look different.

So you use what visual cues for Arbites you haven't already used for Enforcers, and, when given a choice, you push the look in a direction different than the enforcer aesthetic. To be honest, if you don't like the looks of them, check out the Enforcers--the equipment is fundamentally swappable, barring some of the special gear.


Well Arbites came actually first, and the new models are heavily influenced by the old Rogue Trader / 2nd Edition models: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/arbites-classic-minis.jpg

So it was more the case of finding a different aesthetic for Enforcers that left enough design space for a future modern sculpt Arbites kit, which we now got.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 10:24:15


Post by: H.B.M.C.


stahly, have you received your preview minis yet?

I'm very interested/concerned in their scale, and whether they're Guard-scale or Superman-Kasrkin scale.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 10:26:35


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Arbites look more professional to me, with the Palanites looking a bit more thuggish?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 11:30:22


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


To me Enforcers have more than a bit of low-budget sci fi movie to me.

BMX helmets and football pads as armor for example.

While these Arbites are going for more of a Cops meet Knights look.

YMMV of course.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 12:08:40


Post by: The_Real_Chris


 H.B.M.C. wrote:

And the shotpistol is interesting. That's gonna have some kick to it.

If it was good enough back in the day to shoot predators, it is good enough to shoot eldar!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 14:13:29


Post by: Kanluwen



And here's the Drukhari article.

Some interesting goodies in there, especially the note that this Kill Team in the box is supposed to specifically be the Hand of Lady Aurelia Malys.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 14:54:19


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 14:54:48


Post by: Kanluwen


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 15:00:40


Post by: Geifer


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?


It's the law.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 15:25:55


Post by: Paymaster Games


Do you think that GW might release a Chief Justice as a HQ choice?

Also given the size of the transfers, Abites are surely getting some kind of transport, like a Patty Rhino of sorts.

thoughts?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 16:22:07


Post by: Geifer


The idea with Kill Teams seems to be that they are first and foremost just that, and then either fit into an existing army with a unique unit entry or get filed under "Inquisition and other stuff we can't be bothered with". I could see them future proofing the transfer sheet because they might just get a Rhino as a transport in the 40k rules, even if they don't get their own design. Agents of the Imperium aren't a real faction and if Arbites are lumped in there, there is no need to only let them cruise around in their bespoke vehicles like any faction that gets real design work done with a larger, coherent model range that has its own vehicles that they're supposed to ride.

As some commemorative series model for Christmas or something or maybe as the next Warhammer+ exclusives I could see a higher ranking Arbites released at some point, but unless GW plans to expand Arbites like they did Custodes or actually put effort into Agents of the Imperium, I expect that the squad won't get more than Sisters of Silence. Maybe a Rhino, maybe a character built using the squad leader, but no dedicated extra models.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 16:26:04


Post by: stahly


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
stahly, have you received your preview minis yet?

I'm very interested/concerned in their scale, and whether they're Guard-scale or Superman-Kasrkin scale.


Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 16:34:46


Post by: jojo_monkey_boy


 stahly wrote:
Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.


Not yet in the preview window yet eh?


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 16:35:47


Post by: Dysartes


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?

I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 16:53:37


Post by: Kanluwen


 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I don't get it. Why is the Arbites Grapple Hawk on the Dark Eldar spure?

I don't get it, why is this thread open when we have a Kill Team thread?

I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...

If you want to make spurious accusations, it was Scions I had speculated we might see. And then not long after, when everyone started really jumping all over me for said speculation, GW published the Arks of Omen army building document which literally confirmed they were Arbites--and I stopped speculating as such.

Either way Scions could definitely use something to add variety to their unit roster if running pure Scions and could definitely use something to bulk out their HQ choices.

As it stands, we get yet another orphanable subfaction for Imperium that randomly has three units as build-types out of it while Drukhari get shoveled an upgrade frame with a birb.

Oh, and now apparently Arbites abandon their duties of enforcing the Lex Imperialis on their worlds and go after aliens for reasons.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 19:37:43


Post by: callidusx3


Yeah, the upgrade sprue is let down. It competes with the Phobos upgrade sprue as the worst released for KT.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 19:45:53


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


callidusx3 wrote:
Yeah, the upgrade sprue is let down. It competes with the Phobos upgrade sprue as the worst released for KT.


Every upgrade sprue is a letdown. Warcry manages to include two factions of new minis each box. When Into the Dark was released, I hoped Kill Team was going the same way. Unfortunately not. It feels like Warcry’s poor relation model wise.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 19:56:23


Post by: callidusx3


That is true. GW must be husbanding their resources to stoke more AoS sales. An odd move given that 40K sales are significantly higher (we saw what happened to the box containing Kasrkin).

I will say that the Tau sprue, though initially disappointing, proved to be quite good in creating distinct looking operatives. It is my best favorite sprue.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 19:59:40


Post by: JWBS


I'd imagine an infinite procession of new factions would come at the cost of those factions having a weaker identity.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 20:06:04


Post by: MonkeyBallistic


JWBS wrote:
I'd imagine an infinite procession of new factions would come at the cost of those factions having a weaker identity.


Not when Kill Team could be used to fill gaps in the model line. Things that already exist in the lore and even exist in codexes, but with crappy old resin or metal models. Imagine a Kill Team of Death Cult Assassins, or Crusaders, or one made up of new plastic versions of all of those old fine cast minis now missing from the Drukhari range.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 21:16:18


Post by: Mr_Rose


 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
JWBS wrote:
I'd imagine an infinite procession of new factions would come at the cost of those factions having a weaker identity.


Not when Kill Team could be used to fill gaps in the model line. Things that already exist in the lore and even exist in codexes, but with crappy old resin or metal models. Imagine a Kill Team of Death Cult Assassins, or Crusaders, or one made up of new plastic versions of all of those old fine cast minis now missing from the Drukhari range.

An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 21:19:17


Post by: Paymaster Games


A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


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An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.


I would be completely down for this one.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/08 22:48:25


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 stahly wrote:
Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.
You can just say there's an embargo.

 Dysartes wrote:
I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...
Yeah, he really is. His reply just confirmed that. The whole thing could be just as easily summarised as "The Kan doth protest too much!". I love the little fluff red herring at the end of it. That was cute.




Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 00:33:32


Post by: Smaug


 Paymaster Games wrote:
A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


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An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.


I would be completely down for this one.

GW will miss a perfect opportunity if they don’t include Freebooterz or Genestealers on a hulk in either Kill team or AoO.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 00:38:53


Post by: beast_gts


 Paymaster Games wrote:
Also given the size of the transfers, Abites are surely getting some kind of transport, like a Patty Rhino of sorts.
Plastic Repressor please!


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 08:35:35


Post by: tauist


This!

I even bought a FW Repressor back in the day just to give my metal Arbites something to ride in. A classic FW model, they could bring it back in plastic for SoB players


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 09:03:58


Post by: Tsagualsa


 Paymaster Games wrote:
A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


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An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.


I would be completely down for this one.


I think their current approach is to mix something like 'safe' Teams i.e. teams that conform to some major player's army list entries with some of the more out-there options to ensure steady sales, and i guess so far that model is working well. I hope they get slightly more adventurous and experimental in the next season, and think that all your examples would be ace to see on the tabletop again and would work well. Killteam offers so much design space that can't really be tapped in the context of WH40k mass battles, and i'm all here for it


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 10:05:24


Post by: stahly


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 stahly wrote:
Can't comment / won't comment I'm afraid.
You can just say there's an embargo.

 Dysartes wrote:
I see someone is still salty that they weren't a CC Kasrkin variant...
Yeah, he really is. His reply just confirmed that. The whole thing could be just as easily summarised as "The Kan doth protest too much!". I love the little fluff red herring at the end of it. That was cute.




There might be a certain coincidence why a lot of posts and videos about new releases go online on Saturday 10am UK time (when the preorders on the UK webstore go live)



Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 10:17:03


Post by: Scottywan82


Patriarch wrote:
And enough "normal" Arbites helmets to avoid using the weird ones, if you so wish. Which I do...

Same. That was my big worry, so this was good to see.


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 Paymaster Games wrote:
Do you think that GW might release a Chief Justice as a HQ choice?

Also given the size of the transfers, Abites are surely getting some kind of transport, like a Patty Rhino of sorts.

thoughts?


I hope so. I would love a proper judge model like this old artwork.

Spoiler:


I also need a Suppressor/Riot Control Vehicle for them.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 10:35:27


Post by: Segersgia


 Scottywan82 wrote:
Patriarch wrote:
And enough "normal" Arbites helmets to avoid using the weird ones, if you so wish. Which I do...

Same. That was my big worry, so this was good to see.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Paymaster Games wrote:
Do you think that GW might release a Chief Justice as a HQ choice?

Also given the size of the transfers, Abites are surely getting some kind of transport, like a Patty Rhino of sorts.

thoughts?


I hope so. I would love a proper judge model like this old artwork.

Spoiler:


I also need a Suppressor/Riot Control Vehicle for them.


I need an Arbites/Sororitas Repressor Tank Dual-kit. In fact... Give Arbites the option to use Rhinos


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 12:01:06


Post by: Mr_Rose


I for one would like to see Judges get a Throne of Judgement as an optional mount.
That inquisitor got his customised one from somewhere… maybe what’s custom about his, is the melta gun instead of like a shotgun array or something.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 13:48:01


Post by: Voss


Smaug wrote:
 Paymaster Games wrote:
A Confessor leading a kill team of Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins, and Preachers. That would be interesting.

I would like to see some obscure from 40k's past to make it in to Kill team, like Sensei hero bands, Zoat Terror Squad, Harlequin Mimes, Old Slann war party, Exodites w/ Dino Pets/ mounts, Squat Cyber-Slayers or Guild Bikers (who does not love dirty space bikers), Digganob Warband, A Freebooters Crew, and/or Hrudd, Even a team made up of dangerous wild life (like Death Ferrets, Ambulls, Borewyrms, and so on) would be allot of fun.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

An Inquisitorial Retinue would make an excellent kill team. Plenty of opportunities for variety and a built-in excuse to have an eclectic band of weirdos running around.


I would be completely down for this one.

GW will miss a perfect opportunity if they don’t include Freebooterz or Genestealers on a hulk in either Kill team or AoO.


Genestealers just got stuffed into a boarding patrol box. Between that and the rumor of a big tyranid release for 10th, I don't think that's going to happen, as weird as that is.

And since GW has stuck the Freebooterz identity on the absurdly impractical flashgitz kit, I don't know that they can do anything interesting there.


Arbites Killteam Sneak Peak @ 2023/02/09 17:44:11


Post by: Shakalooloo


 Scottywan82 wrote:
I would love a proper judge model like this old artwork.

Spoiler:


Slap a wig on the Necromunda Krieg Mester https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/house-greim-military-attache-2021 and you're mostly there!