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Armageddon Steel Legion – Made to Order coming up! Sunday Preview – Commander Farsight Takes His Shot at the Arks of Omen Commissar Yarrick may have gone to join the Emperor’s side, but the loyal Guardsmen of Armageddon are still alive and kicking. For a limited time, you can get your hands on a huge array of classic Steel Legion units on a Made to Order basis, from sword-swinging officers to ranks of disciplined Guardsmen. If you feel like packing out your platoon with an effective firing line of iconic Imperial firepower, the Steel Legion Platoon is especially apt for the task. A gas-masked Officer leads three lascannon-toting Heavy Weapons Teams and 20 Steel Legion Guardsmen – you’ll want plenty of them to kick Ghazghkull off-world the next time he shows his ugly mug.
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Post by: Ragweek
beast_gts wrote:Armageddon Steel Legion – Made to Order coming up!
Sunday Preview – Commander Farsight Takes His Shot at the Arks of Omen
Commissar Yarrick may have gone to join the Emperor’s side, but the loyal Guardsmen of Armageddon are still alive and kicking. For a limited time, you can get your hands on a huge array of classic Steel Legion units on a Made to Order basis, from sword-swinging officers to ranks of disciplined Guardsmen.
If you feel like packing out your platoon with an effective firing line of iconic Imperial firepower, the Steel Legion Platoon is especially apt for the task. A gas-masked Officer leads three lascannon-toting Heavy Weapons Teams and 20 Steel Legion Guardsmen – you’ll want plenty of them to kick Ghazghkull off-world the next time he shows his ugly mug.
Wow this was a surprise! I am so going to be all over this! Like a tramp on chips!
Any idea on costs. I belive the steel legion infantry squad used to be £20. I'm guess somthing like £26 with inflation.
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Post by: NH Gunsmith
My word this is tempting. Love these minis.
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Post by: stonehorse
Ragweek wrote:beast_gts wrote:Armageddon Steel Legion – Made to Order coming up!
Sunday Preview – Commander Farsight Takes His Shot at the Arks of Omen
Commissar Yarrick may have gone to join the Emperor’s side, but the loyal Guardsmen of Armageddon are still alive and kicking. For a limited time, you can get your hands on a huge array of classic Steel Legion units on a Made to Order basis, from sword-swinging officers to ranks of disciplined Guardsmen.
If you feel like packing out your platoon with an effective firing line of iconic Imperial firepower, the Steel Legion Platoon is especially apt for the task. A gas-masked Officer leads three lascannon-toting Heavy Weapons Teams and 20 Steel Legion Guardsmen – you’ll want plenty of them to kick Ghazghkull off-world the next time he shows his ugly mug.
Wow this was a surprise! I am so going to be all over this! Like a tramp on chips!
Any idea on costs. I belive the steel legion infantry squad used to be £20. I'm guess somthing like £26 with inflation.
£26, no chance... my guess would be £40.
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Post by: Ragweek
stonehorse wrote:Ragweek wrote:beast_gts wrote:Armageddon Steel Legion – Made to Order coming up!
Sunday Preview – Commander Farsight Takes His Shot at the Arks of Omen
Commissar Yarrick may have gone to join the Emperor’s side, but the loyal Guardsmen of Armageddon are still alive and kicking. For a limited time, you can get your hands on a huge array of classic Steel Legion units on a Made to Order basis, from sword-swinging officers to ranks of disciplined Guardsmen.
If you feel like packing out your platoon with an effective firing line of iconic Imperial firepower, the Steel Legion Platoon is especially apt for the task. A gas-masked Officer leads three lascannon-toting Heavy Weapons Teams and 20 Steel Legion Guardsmen – you’ll want plenty of them to kick Ghazghkull off-world the next time he shows his ugly mug.
Wow this was a surprise! I am so going to be all over this! Like a tramp on chips!
Any idea on costs. I belive the steel legion infantry squad used to be £20. I'm guess somthing like £26 with inflation.
£26, no chance... my guess would be £40.
If i was a gambling man I would take you on that I'm closer. However, knowing gw I could easily get burnt.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
stonehorse wrote:Ragweek wrote:beast_gts wrote:Armageddon Steel Legion – Made to Order coming up!
Sunday Preview – Commander Farsight Takes His Shot at the Arks of Omen
Commissar Yarrick may have gone to join the Emperor’s side, but the loyal Guardsmen of Armageddon are still alive and kicking. For a limited time, you can get your hands on a huge array of classic Steel Legion units on a Made to Order basis, from sword-swinging officers to ranks of disciplined Guardsmen.
If you feel like packing out your platoon with an effective firing line of iconic Imperial firepower, the Steel Legion Platoon is especially apt for the task. A gas-masked Officer leads three lascannon-toting Heavy Weapons Teams and 20 Steel Legion Guardsmen – you’ll want plenty of them to kick Ghazghkull off-world the next time he shows his ugly mug.
Wow this was a surprise! I am so going to be all over this! Like a tramp on chips!
Any idea on costs. I belive the steel legion infantry squad used to be £20. I'm guess somthing like £26 with inflation.
£26, no chance... my guess would be £40.
Well, the prices for whole squads were usually rather modest. You paid through the nose for the single models.
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Post by: blockade23
Very excited for this - may have to get the whole platoon - Looks like I'll end up with three different guard armies now (Oh no.....)
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Post by: Olthannon
I hope the Valhallans will be on the cards before long.
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Post by: Tamereth
Might pick up an extra heavy weapon squad for my army.
If the ever do praetorian guard I'll be maxing out a credit card.
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Post by: Aeneades
The Vostroyan squads were £25 and that was 3 and a bit years ago now.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Plastic Cadians are £30 now, and Death Korps are pushing 40...
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Post by: Dysartes
There's one thing bugging me about this, and that's the platoon - GW knows there isn't an independent Officer in the 'dex any more, but they can't put four extra lasgun dudes in there to make a Platoon Command Squad? Or at least give a "buy some more grunts" option so you can make one up?
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Post by: Billicus
I doubt they've put that much thought into it tbh
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Post by: Kanluwen
Dysartes wrote:There's one thing bugging me about this, and that's the platoon - GW knows there isn't an independent Officer in the 'dex any more, but they can't put four extra lasgun dudes in there to make a Platoon Command Squad? Or at least give a "buy some more grunts" option so you can make one up?
Considering how many people over the years have insisted that the officer is, in fact, a Commissar that may be the general idea they are expecting people to follow.
In all seriousness, they might release a Legends datasheet for a Steel Legion Commandant profile. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Death Korps have an upgrade frame baked in.
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Post by: ph34r
As a steel legion player this is totally unexpected and very much welcome. I know I'll get at least one or two. Steel legion heavy weapon teams, officers, plasma guns, and commissars are almost impossible to come by, at least $50 or so each on ebay.
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Post by: Santtu
It's only been a year and a half since Steel Legion infantry squads were sold for 30€... I hope I can resist paying GW's new prices.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Weren't the Vostroyan massively overpriced? I think I'm gonna have to pass
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Post by: Dryaktylus
GaroRobe wrote:Weren't the Vostroyan massively overpriced? I think I'm gonna have to pass
Well... The huge platoon was good value and the command squad even a bit cheaper (in €) than before. The single models (officers and special weapons) and heavy weapon teams were indeed obscenely overpriced, all of them between 20 and 30€.
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Post by: Santtu
Yeah, I don't need them that much. Especially since I would have to pay more for a 4th infantry squad because GW failed to deliver the last one I ordered.
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Post by: Illumini
Probably going to be just as badly priced as other MTOs. Good value on the platoon, and absolute extortion on the singles.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Did the Steel Legion Commissar always have a bolt pistol?
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Post by: Dysartes
Good spot, HBMC - when I painted him, he had the same boltgun as his base sculpt.
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Post by: kurhanik
Very exciting, though the price will probably be an instant turn off for me. When they last sold the squad it was 35usd, and I believe the plasmagun was 9usd and the heavy weapons teams were maybe 15usd, just for comparison's sake come saturday. Got to say, I hope to be surprised with the prices, but I have a feeling that I'll be very glad to have bought 3 squads when they went last chance to buy a bit back. If the prices are reasonable I might need to grab a heavy weapons team or two.
Probably not anytime soon, they did them just a couple years ago. I actually *just* finished removing the flash and mold lines from them all last week finally.
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Post by: Santtu
That's a conversion from Codex Armageddon that they keep using as the catalogue image.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
Apparently they spended him a new arm at some time. Here it's mentioned that he has the same arms as the base sculpt, but in fact the model shown is the same as in the MtO (with less light).
Santtu wrote:That's a conversion from Codex Armageddon that they keep using as the catalogue image.
Ah, okay.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The one on SoL shows a bolt pistol. I know the model it's based on - the SL Commissar is a resculpt of an existing Commissar - had a boltgun. I have that mini, so I could be confused.
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:The one on SoL shows a bolt pistol.
I know the model it's based on - the SL Commissar is a resculpt of an existing Commissar - had a boltgun. I have that mini, so I could be confused.
They keep using the conversion to advertise it, but it comes with the skull style mask and bolter.
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Post by: sniffer_squig
FFS, I was literally this weekend getting my steel legion stuff together to dump on ebay later this week. Well this is going to bottom out demand so relying on GW to go nuts with price so I can undercut them Otherwise back up the loft
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Post by: Snrub
Hmmmm very tempting. I do love the Steel Legion minis.
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Post by: Skywave
I have a heavy bolter and a grenade launcher from waaay back in 3rd edition when a friend made an army and had some extras. I could be tempted to get some stuff to finally give these models some friends and maybe even see the table!
Could probably get the platoon, some extra singles, and then round it up to make a 1k points or-so, could be a fun project! Will wait on prices to see if doable
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Post by: ph34r
Skywave wrote:I have a heavy bolter and a grenade launcher from waaay back in 3rd edition when a friend made an army and had some extras. I could be tempted to get some stuff to finally give these models some friends and maybe even see the table!
Could probably get the platoon, some extra singles, and then round it up to make a 1k points or-so, could be a fun project! Will wait on prices to see if doable
At this point from buying the steel legion box so many times I have so many grenade launchers… it’s a shame they sucked when they cost was cheaper than a plasma gun, I think they probably suck more now.
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Post by: Skywave
ph34r wrote: Skywave wrote:I have a heavy bolter and a grenade launcher from waaay back in 3rd edition when a friend made an army and had some extras. I could be tempted to get some stuff to finally give these models some friends and maybe even see the table!
Could probably get the platoon, some extra singles, and then round it up to make a 1k points or-so, could be a fun project! Will wait on prices to see if doable
At this point from buying the steel legion box so many times I have so many grenade launchers… it’s a shame they sucked when they cost was cheaper than a plasma gun, I think they probably suck more now.
Yeah I think all options cost the same now? So it's not the greatest option to have for special weapon, but in my case at least it would be a fun side project, more about modelling and painting them than making a super competitive army!
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Post by: Grot 6
I had an army or two of them...
I just needed some chimera's to add to their ranks.
As an army, they are fun. In Armageddon games, they are a plus.
I really could ask for some sniper rifles, and some additional weapons for them though. As was said, Grenade Launchers.. SMH. I have my fill of them, and just want to change them out for some flamers and Meltaguns.
If any regiment would be needing some love, this one would be it.
(Of course I wouldn't cry too loud if another Yarrick showed up, but that might be asking too much.)
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Grot 6 wrote:
I really could ask for some sniper rifles, and some additional weapons for them though.
It was always bizarre that the Steel Legion sniper model was a Necromunda release...
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Post by: Grot 6
I had that exact issue. Never could get one, either, because it was "Special Order".
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Post by: Platuan4th
Lord Damocles wrote: Grot 6 wrote: I really could ask for some sniper rifles, and some additional weapons for them though.
It was always bizarre that the Steel Legion sniper model was a Necromunda release... You mean the one with a basic Lasgun that was very clearly a trainee sculpt with different details from the rest of the range?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Definitely agree they should offer a pack of riflemen, so useful. Was there ever a Steel Legion Command Squad? I can't remember.
Thinking of picking up the lieutenant with the sword over his head, always liked that guy. Just because you're knee deep in mud fighting a horde of fungus monsters doesn't mean you can't do it with style.
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Post by: alphaecho
Lord Damocles wrote: Grot 6 wrote:
I really could ask for some sniper rifles, and some additional weapons for them though.
It was always bizarre that the Steel Legion sniper model was a Necromunda release...
Wasn't that a release before sniper rifles in an IG squad were a thing?
Ratlings or nothing for sharpshooters at the time?
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Post by: Snrub
So according to WD#248/249, there was no command squad as such. They offered deals though were you'd get enough riflemen and a Lt. to make up a command squad.
Image spoilered for extreme size, but the "Command Squad Deal" was 1 each of the Commissar, Lt., Sergeant, Assault weapon and heavy weapon of your choice + a Chimera.
The army deal however came with Yarrick, an Lt, Sergeant, plasma gun and 2 riflemen as command squad.
Thinking of picking up the lieutenant with the sword over his head, always liked that guy.
Which one was the rarer of the two? The over the head guy or bolt pistol one?
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Post by: Dysartes
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Definitely agree they should offer a pack of riflemen, so useful. Was there ever a Steel Legion Command Squad? I can't remember.
I don't think any of the metal regiments had a specific "Command Squad" release, with the exception of the Vostroyans.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Dysartes wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Definitely agree they should offer a pack of riflemen, so useful. Was there ever a Steel Legion Command Squad? I can't remember.
I don't think any of the metal regiments had a specific "Command Squad" release, with the exception of the Vostroyans. Thanks! I know none of the 2nd edition dudes did, but I never collected the Steel Legion. Lots of fun trying to convert standard bearers and medics out of Tallarn missile launcher dudes, the only models with arms away from the body.
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Post by: Platuan4th
alphaecho wrote: Lord Damocles wrote: Grot 6 wrote: I really could ask for some sniper rifles, and some additional weapons for them though.
It was always bizarre that the Steel Legion sniper model was a Necromunda release... Wasn't that a release before sniper rifles in an IG squad were a thing? Yes, and as I pointed out earlier, the "sniper" is just armed with the standard Armageddon lasrifle. And as Lagunpacker points out on their blog, the model has a number of details different from the rest of the Steel Legion range and so was most probably a test sculpt that wasn't meant to be released that got shoved into the Necromunda line(which was fairly common at the time). http://lasgunpacker.blogspot.com/2016/07/necromunda-sniper.html
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Post by: Grot 6
There you go.
Command squads back then were two special weapons or a heavy weapon option, and the two riflemen, an/or medic.
KISS.
Who has some good third party figures, so I can add in some of the plastic sniper rifles?
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Post by: Snrub
Mad Robot has some very good Not!Steel Legion guys. Capari stormstroopers I think he calls them.
And pretty Victoria Minis has a Steel Legion equiv in the works too.
Also try Anvil Industries. They likely have the right bitz to make a close Steel Legion proxy.
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Post by: mad robot
Snrub wrote:Mad Robot has some very good Not!Steel Legion guys. Capari stormstroopers I think he calls them.
Can be found HERE
Also have these newer hybrid torsos in 3 styles...
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Post by: Grot 6
mad robot wrote: Snrub wrote:Mad Robot has some very good Not!Steel Legion guys. Capari stormstroopers I think he calls them.
Can be found HERE
Also have these newer hybrid torsos in 3 styles...
Awesome, thanks!!!
I'll get a few of these and add them in with the lot.
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Post by: Snrub
GW have legitimately gone hants on pead stupid.
52.50 Australian dollars for a single, yes SINGLE metal miniature and it's only downhill from there. They're actually taking the piss now.
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Post by: Shrapnelsmile
Ouch man, yeah if I lived there I would not be playing Age of Sigmar. yikes.
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Post by: ModernAngel
62.50 in New Zealand dollars, at the current exchange rate that's 31.72 pound for a single plasma gunner / sergeant / commissar....
No. Just no.
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Post by: Skywave
Ouch
Here I was planning a small 1k army out of those release just for fun. They are not yet out in Canada so don't have the price yet, and it usually not as bad as Australia, but also not always the best either so I fully expect to be majorly turned off by the prices
Guess I'll have to turn my 3D printer on.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Snrub wrote:52.50 Australian dollars for a single, yes SINGLE metal miniature and it's only downhill from there.
feth a duck! That is beyond the pale.
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Post by: Miguelsan
The army "special" offer is a bit under 1/3rd of the average monthly salary in Japan.
Hell nope.
M.
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Post by: Dysartes
...sounds like the UK prices should make for interesting reading in a couple of hours.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
£40 for the ten-man squad.
£19 for the Plasma gunner.
No chance.
Somebody at GW is looking at ebay prices and thinking "if they can do it, why can't we?". Utter stupidity.
EDIT: Oh, and £67 for three heavy weapon bases. Amazing.
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Post by: Olthannon
£19 for one soldier is bad but I'm glad I'm not down under. Looks like you've been screwed again.
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
Olthannon wrote:£19 for one soldier is bad but I'm glad I'm not down under. Looks like you've been screwed again.
I really hope that people don't buy them.
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Post by: alphaecho
Never bought them the first time round. Certainly wasn't going to buy them this time either.
If someone needs a Steel Legion aesthetic itch scratched, Wargames Atlantic Raumjager and/ or Mad Robot are your friends.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Hahaha
Who told you so?
I told you so.
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Post by: Andykp
Was going to get a platoon of these at least but the prices are mental. Pass.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Hrm should I get one model from GW or a squad from Mad Robot (or 2 squads from Wargames Atlantic), decisions, decisions...
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Post by: Bobug
"3d printer go brrrt" memes are appropriate here I feel
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Post by: zedmeister
feth me, those prices
Was going to grab a few, but sod that for a game of soldiers...
Edit:
To put in context:
Metal from GW - £331: 30 Infantry, Command characters and 6 heavy weapons:
Resin from FW - £314: 40 Infantry, Command Squad and 3 heavy weapons
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Post by: Miguelsan
Totally 2 models from GW. When Kyoto prima and prima reach adulthood they can sell them for college.
M.
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Post by: Billicus
The weapon team pricing is fething bananas.
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Post by: Gert
That's a solid yikes.
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Post by: Geifer
I had a solid joke about this lined up earlier this week but refrained from posting. I figured GW would do a better job than me, and here we are.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
The bundle isn't too gougey for GW.
Separately though..woof!
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Post by: Illumini
Even worse than expected. Well done GW. I would be very surprised if this stuff sells well. It is just straight ebay prices.
GW will unfortunately probably think "apparently nobody wanted steel legion" instead of "maybe we overpriced the hell out of this"
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Post by: laam999
I mean, the prices are a joke right? They have to be.
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Post by: Albertorius
...Holy fething gak. O_O
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Post by: Skinnereal
Is this their justification for Finecast? Metal was expensive to keep using, but FC was just as expensive (or more) at the time.
Once this 'offer' goes away, are they going to sneak a couple of new Steel Legion models out in Finecast and see what the market does?
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Oof, those prices! That comparison of them to Death Korps is just ridiculous: having built both lines a fair bit, yeah, Steel Legion are terrible sculpts by comparison, and that's even with all of my nostalgia for my first IG army that I sold off years and years back.
Sigh, I still don't understand why GW hasn't taken the opportunity to give some valhallan and steel legion head swaps for their now-plastic DK unit: it's far from perfect but would expand the line so much.
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Post by: Flinty
They won’t be able to compete with 3rd party suppliers of those pieces.
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Post by: GrosseSax
Those are some pretty obscene price points.
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Post by: Ruberu
Well prices are up for the US now. I was really looking forward to these but not at that price. Their models get a better inflation raise than my paycheck.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
This might be the first MTO that's actually good news for eBay sellers
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Post by: Dysartes
Has anyone tried asking the WHC twitter people if this pricing was a cry for help?
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Post by: Lord Damocles
It turns out that all of the tin used to cast Steel Legion comes from Eastern Ukraine, and the shipping containers carrying it to Nottingham were delayed by Somali pirates due to climate change.
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Post by: Dawnbringer
Lord Damocles wrote:It turns out that all of the tin used to cast Steel Legion comes from Eastern Ukraine, and the shipping containers carrying it to Nottingham were delayed by Somali pirates due to climate change.
You left out Brexit and Covid.
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Post by: zedmeister
Dawnbringer wrote: Lord Damocles wrote:It turns out that all of the tin used to cast Steel Legion comes from Eastern Ukraine, and the shipping containers carrying it to Nottingham were delayed by Somali pirates due to climate change.
You left out Brexit and Covid.
You forgot the #becauseofbrexit !
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/steel-legion-platoon-mto-2023
Mad Robot, want to throw out a $185 bundle and see what you can squeeze into it?
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Post by: Tamereth
I own a steel legion army, when i heard about this I figured I'd buy another couple of heavy weapon squads for it.
But Feth those prices. £67.50 for a single squad is ridiculous.
I have 100% brought stuff new in blisters on ebay for half that price in recent years.
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Post by: ModernAngel
The price of the reinforced platoon is 1092 NZD, which is 550 UKP, while the UK price is 331 for the same thing.
Just to give everyone an idea of how much they are gouging the Kiwis.
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Post by: kodos
Did anyone really expect them to be cheaper than the plastic models?
Prices in € are 55 for the squad (includes a heavy weapon), Krieg costs 50 and Cadia+single heavy weapon 53
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Post by: Platuan4th
kodos wrote:Did anyone really expect them to be cheaper than the plastic models? They did the exact same Steel Legion Squad as an MTO last year for $35 USDD. It's $65 US this year. People were expecting maybe $10-15 more not near double.Glad I grabbed the one squad I needed then.
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Post by: waefre_1
Kid_Kyoto wrote:https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/steel-legion-platoon-mto-2023 Mad Robot, want to throw out a $185 bundle and see what you can squeeze into it?
Not to pre-empt the man himself, but an order of two Infantry squads, a Command squad, and 5 heavy weapons teams (three for the Heavy Weapons squad, two for the missile launchers in the Infantry squads) comes out to ~$157, and unless I'm mistaken you effectively get 6 extra bodies out of it - the command squad is a commander plus retinue/gubbins and the squad builder doesn't include an option for heavy weapons teams in the dropdowns so they have to be taken separately. So, down from about ~$7.71 per mini to ~$5.23, with some extra built-in options and extra bodies for if you don't want eg. a Medic (or just want to put the extras towards another squad, which would still be cheaper than the GW bundle as you could do the 5-man Fireteam builder for it and those only cost $20).
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Post by: Eiríkr
Moronic really, those prices...
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Post by: NAVARRO
Those ridiculous prices are a fast forward of where GW pricing will be in a few years time.
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Post by: mad robot
waefre_1 wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/steel-legion-platoon-mto-2023
Mad Robot, want to throw out a $185 bundle and see what you can squeeze into it?
Not to pre-empt the man himself, but an order of two Infantry squads, a Command squad, and 5 heavy weapons teams (three for the Heavy Weapons squad, two for the missile launchers in the Infantry squads) comes out to ~$157, and unless I'm mistaken you effectively get 6 extra bodies out of it - the command squad is a commander plus retinue/gubbins and the squad builder doesn't include an option for heavy weapons teams in the dropdowns so they have to be taken separately. So, down from about ~$7.71 per mini to ~$5.23, with some extra built-in options and extra bodies for if you don't want eg. a Medic (or just want to put the extras towards another squad, which would still be cheaper than the GW bundle as you could do the 5-man Fireteam builder for it and those only cost $20).
This bundle above shows a US delivered price of $556 with a delivery window of 180 working days(roughly 6 months).
From my store, under the Caipari Shocktroops, 3 squads, command squad and 6 HW teams come out to roughly US$192. Add $10 for a commissar kit as well. With my offerings, you get to choose your heads, weapons, and special weapons for each squad, from the entire catalog. That package would also ship free.
It might take me a little longer than normal to cast it all up, but probably NOT 6 months.
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Post by: Skywave
Skywave wrote:Ouch
Here I was planning a small 1k army out of those release just for fun. They are not yet out in Canada so don't have the price yet, and it usually not as bad as Australia, but also not always the best either so I fully expect to be majorly turned off by the prices
Guess I'll have to turn my 3D printer on.
Just quoting myself here, prices are out, and so am I! Those prices are crazy, not gonna start a small force with those. It would cost me close to 550$ to barely get 500pts of troops, then would need to add to it to finish the 1k list I wanted.
I took a look at Mad Robots, and between that and 3D printing, it'll be a fraction of the cost to make the army I thought about. Even for the tanks I'll be able to go third party, better to suuport companies that actually want to do business!
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Post by: Snrub
mad robot wrote:From my store, under the Caipari Shocktroops, 3 squads, command squad and 6 HW teams come out to roughly US$192. Add $10 for a commissar kit as well. With my offerings, you get to choose your heads, weapons, and special weapons for each squad, from the entire catalog. That package would also ship free.
Just worked it out in AUD. It'd cost me $350 + plus whatever shipping to Australia would cost for the Mad Robot equivalent. So a bit over a 3rd of the price for the same amount of minis.
I gotta get in touch with GW's pricing department and see if they can hook me up with their crack dealer. Coz the gak they're smoking is poooooowerful stuff.
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Post by: ZergSmasher
Yeah, the pricing for these is insane beyond belief. I don't have a dog in this fight as I had no interest in picking up a Steel Legion army or even a couple of squads, but Good God Almighty I'm sure glad I don't need these. Even by GW standards this is crazy. Unfortunately, when these inevitably don't sell well GW will probably interpret it as a lack of interest in Steel Legion rather than their insane price points being the problem (as others mentioned earlier in the thread).
Funny how most of their recent Middle-Earth MTOs haven't been too bad (for GW anyways), but then they go and do this. I wonder, what's the difference?
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Post by: BlackoCatto
Are they making each damn one by hand? WTF?!
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Post by: stonehorse
Ragweek wrote: stonehorse wrote:Ragweek wrote:beast_gts wrote:Armageddon Steel Legion – Made to Order coming up!
Sunday Preview – Commander Farsight Takes His Shot at the Arks of Omen
Commissar Yarrick may have gone to join the Emperor’s side, but the loyal Guardsmen of Armageddon are still alive and kicking. For a limited time, you can get your hands on a huge array of classic Steel Legion units on a Made to Order basis, from sword-swinging officers to ranks of disciplined Guardsmen.
If you feel like packing out your platoon with an effective firing line of iconic Imperial firepower, the Steel Legion Platoon is especially apt for the task. A gas-masked Officer leads three lascannon-toting Heavy Weapons Teams and 20 Steel Legion Guardsmen – you’ll want plenty of them to kick Ghazghkull off-world the next time he shows his ugly mug.
Wow this was a surprise! I am so going to be all over this! Like a tramp on chips!
Any idea on costs. I belive the steel legion infantry squad used to be £20. I'm guess somthing like £26 with inflation.
£26, no chance... my guess would be £40.
If i was a gambling man I would take you on that I'm closer. However, knowing gw I could easily get burnt.
Called it, or GW saw my post and thought it sounded like a reasonable price.
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Post by: tneva82
Platuan4th wrote: kodos wrote:Did anyone really expect them to be cheaper than the plastic models?
They did the exact same Steel Legion Squad as an MTO last year for $35 USDD. It's $65 US this year. People were expecting maybe $10-15 more not near double.Glad I grabbed the one squad I needed then.
How much plastic cadians costed then?
Yes it sucks but no chance in hell it was going to outprice plastics.
Yes the prices suck but you got to be drinking lots of hopium if you think gw cuts prices. Western economy works by inflation so best you can hope is small price increase. Decrease not a chance.
Amusing how outraged people are over expected price level
:f you expected cheaper you were set up for dissapointment.
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Post by: Dysartes
Care to try to justify the HWS pricing like that, tneva? We're looking at £30 for the new plastic Cadian kits, compared to an eye-watering £67.50 for the Steel Legion ones - and that's fething ridiculous.
You are allowed to take the boot out of your mouth from time to time, you know.
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Post by: kurhanik
He he he, wow those prices. I was expecting to see a 10$ hike, but man, the squad went from 35$ when they discontinued them a year ago to 65$. I'm glad I have more than enough thanks to ebay years ago plus grabbing a handful of squads before they discontinued them, but man it sucks for anybody who desperately wants the official GW models.
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Post by: Grot 6
With those prices, maybe I'll sell a couple of figures and take your first born, before GW does.
The worst about it is that these are old figures. you can get them off of FeeBay for a song and a dance for a quarter the price.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Nm
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Post by: McDougall Designs
Please do not post like this again.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I'm sure there's a management trainee somewhere saying that if they don't charge ebay prices they're leaving money on the table.
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Post by: Haighus
Ouch, those prices are eye watering...
I wanted to pick up a few of these, but I'll probably only get the bare minimum to meet my needs (a single lascannon team). I have enough from when they were going OOP to keep me busy for awhile anyway.
alphaecho wrote: Lord Damocles wrote: Grot 6 wrote:
I really could ask for some sniper rifles, and some additional weapons for them though.
It was always bizarre that the Steel Legion sniper model was a Necromunda release...
Wasn't that a release before sniper rifles in an IG squad were a thing?
Ratlings or nothing for sharpshooters at the time?
Technically, the hardened veterans unit could take a sniper rifle and the Last Chancers fixed unit had one, but they were the only guardsmen carrying snipers until the various Chapter Approved forces and Codex: Catachans. The second Imperial Guard codex of 3rd edition a few years later allowed special weapons squads to take snipers, and infantry squads upgraded with the light infantry doctrine could take a sniper rifle instead of a heavy weapons team (the mechanised and light infantry doctrines were mutually exclusive, so a Steel Legion force was likely to only be able to take snipers in special weapons squads).
Then the 5th edition codex added snipers as a standard special weapon for every unit except rough riders, storm troopers, and ogryn.
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Post by: Skywave
So I just went and bought some 3D files instead and will be printing the small army I wanted to do with this re-release. Instead of the 550$ or-so I would have to spent on GW stuff (for barely 500pts of guards), I spent about 45$ on two files and will have the exact same thing GW offer, but with more options (like plasma pistols, all type of special and heavy weapons, medic, comm, etc) and all the model I could need.
GW dropped the ball on this one for me, I don't want to pay those prices and looks like many here were turned off too.
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Post by: Matthew Flamen
Well, I laughed when I saw the prices but on a second thought they make sense given GW priorities.
Against what some seem to think GW prices things according to how much people are ready to pay, not how much they cost them. The arguments have been rehashed many times before and their very healthy profits show that their prices are clearly above costs.
Then, they need to know how much are people ready to pay and that isn’t trivial. Now, these miniatures are for collectors mainly, as someone that is mostly a player will probably be best served by the normal cadian squads, and they will be available only this week, so they are a good chance to see how far they can get.
Yes, they are a rip-off but if you really want one miniature you may pay it, there is after all a not innocent lapse between the announcement of a MTO and the announcement of the prices which gives time enough for a “need” to develop once you’ve decided that you’re going to buy something. It’s not sensible behavior, but after spending some time in Dakka you can’t tell me that you expect everyone or mostly everyone to be sensible.
In my case I wasn’t interested strongly in any of the miniatures of the range, that is I knew that they would be to expensive for the interest I have in them, but I have paid 20€ a few years ago for the Noise Marine and I know that I would have paid more if I had needed to. And if they make a MTO run of the Green Knight or some others miniatures that have caught my fancy and are OOP I would be very tempted to order them even at prices like this. They would be a rip-off and at the same time they would be worth it to me if I could afford them. You shouldn’t overestimate how cheap or big are the secondary markets outside the UK or USA and some people want new miniatures only.
And even if only the whales and those obsessed with some of the miniatures offered buy them it’s all profits. It’s reasonable to suppose that MTO are made in between normal production runs, so if few people buy something in this MTO they can just make a new MTO before they would have if this was a success. And of course they have gotten valuable information from how people have voted with their wallets after seeing these prices.
And no, they don’t care if MTO are cheaper than the normal squads, they are willing to offer lower prices if they are only available temporarily, much lower in the case of the partworks and lower in the case of bundles, after all the bundles have an implicit “buy now or pay more later”. And given that everything that they sell directly has probably double profits than usual they could have sell this at half or less of what they are asking for it.
GW is so big that they can afford to be inefficient, and they are many many times, but I don’t think that they have bungled anything with this MTO. It’s not nice, but GW isn’t your friend, it’s a predatory firm that squeezes as much money as they can from their first mover advantage.
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Post by: Matthew Flamen
Oh, I think that 3d prints are going to limit their behavior pretty soon.
I don't have a 3d printer but seeing the models available and the quality of the prints it has already changed what I have bought in the last year. Now, I know that unless I want a miniature that is exactly like the one that GW sells I will have something at least similar that will give me WYSIWYG and I will be able to print it just before painting it. That sounds much better that buying something because it might become OOP suddenly and adding it to the backlog. So I keep buying the miniatures I really like that don't have an insane price, but I certainly buy less than before. I doubt I'm the only one with this attitude.
And to those who think that many will never deal with 3d prints, you only need to have someone close that can print it for you or a resonable priced printing service. I expect 3d printing to have an effect in the hobby far beyond those that actually print themselves.
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Post by: tneva82
Dysartes wrote:Care to try to justify the HWS pricing like that, tneva? We're looking at £30 for the new plastic Cadian kits, compared to an eye-watering £67.50 for the Steel Legion ones - and that's fething ridiculous.
You are allowed to take the boot out of your mouth from time to time, you know.
Who says i agree with prices? I wasn't just silly enough to drink hopium to expect less when this was always going to be price level at bare minimum
Prices were exactly as expected. Which is why i find people who first say interested and then complain prices hilarious. If prices were turn off they never had reason to be interested as this was floor of prices...
I just put it 1+1=2, knew prices in advance and was always whatever regarding mto because knew price level wasn't one i was interested.
I just didn't go through pretense of claiming to be interested because with known price level i wasn't.
Do find this thread good entertaiment though. Time for pop corn.
Ultimately it comes down to profits. If you haven't realized it yet here's newsflash: gw's priority is profits. Doesn't care about whether some random nobody in forum complains about prices. And unless you run more profitable company odds are they know better than you how to make profit than you or are you one of those who like to claim they could do better but just don't want to
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That's certainly a take...
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Post by: SKR.HH
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I'm sure there's a management trainee somewhere saying that if they don't charge ebay prices they're leaving money on the table.
Don't they? (Some) People are obviously willing to pay these prices...
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Post by: The_Real_Chris
I mean considering the limited number of sculpts, this has to be pushing some kind of line where you can buy a resin printer and STLs for less than the platoon.
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Post by: Skinnereal
If resin printers can sell for £100+, and STLs for £10s of pounds, this is easily possible.
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Post by: dyndraig
The_Real_Chris wrote:I mean considering the limited number of sculpts, this has to be pushing some kind of line where you can buy a resin printer and STLs for less than the platoon.
Especially when you consider that 3D scans of Steel Legion minis exist now.
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Post by: kodos
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I'm sure there's a management trainee somewhere saying that if they don't charge ebay prices they're leaving money on the table. GW does not care about ebay
it is very simple, taking the cost of current plastic, take the cost from the last MTO, combine them and you get a decent "FOMO" price, just that this time it is not the fear of missing out, but the fear that the models are even more expensive if you don't buy them now
as most people who want them complain that they did not bought more with the last MTO, so buy now because otherwise you will pay even more with ebay and double the price if they ever come up for MTO again
just think of all the value you get and money you save if they double again
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Post by: Albertorius
dyndraig wrote:The_Real_Chris wrote:I mean considering the limited number of sculpts, this has to be pushing some kind of line where you can buy a resin printer and STLs for less than the platoon.
Especially when you consider that 3D scans of Steel Legion minis exist now.
I went 15mm myself, but the sculpts are aguably better than the "real" ones
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Post by: Psychopomp
Skywave wrote:Instead of the 550$ or-so I would have to spent on GW stuff (for barely 500pts of guards)...
If that's $550 USD, then that's approaching Elegoo Saturn 2 money - an 8K mono printer with a print bed big enough for a squad and a half or a small tank all in one run. Just saying...
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Post by: Haighus
Albertorius wrote:dyndraig wrote:The_Real_Chris wrote:I mean considering the limited number of sculpts, this has to be pushing some kind of line where you can buy a resin printer and STLs for less than the platoon.
Especially when you consider that 3D scans of Steel Legion minis exist now.
I went 15mm myself, but the sculpts are aguably better than the "real" ones
That looks really good. Once I have space, I think I need to invest in a 3d printer.
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Post by: The_Real_Chris
Off topic but the 3D printer Armageddon for model companies does seem to be increasingly near. Around a 3rd of the chaps at the local club now have printers.
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Post by: Theophony
The_Real_Chris wrote:Off topic but the 3D printer Armageddon for model companies does seem to be increasingly near. Around a 3rd of the chaps at the local club now have printers.
Won't be an Armageddon for the companies if they approach it as a way of cutting down their own costs. They could do a subscription service for models and sell the STL files before the physical release. People who do not want to spend the time on printing their own can still buy the models directly from them, but for those that wish to print them and enjoy that aspect it would be available for personal use. They could even embrace having authorized printers of the models in certain geographic areas for a fee. That would again reduce costs of manufacturing, shipping and storage. It might affect the FOMO, but it would mean that there would be less backlash for not having models available months later. There is a ton of money being left on the table if you look at it as a way for GW to cut back against the "Designers" that copy their models with minor changes.
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Post by: Flinty
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Post by: The_Real_Chris
Theophony wrote:They could do a subscription service for models and sell the STL files before the physical release. People who do not want to spend the time on printing their own can still buy the models directly from them, but for those that wish to print them and enjoy that aspect it would be available for personal use.
For lead/resin, yes. For plastic the economies of scale are needed for moulds. There has been a bit of a reckoning in the 3D market with people having less post covid time, but also too much on offer. Creators finding diminishing returns in a niche market. I can well imagine machine learning being applied to both make STLs but also pose them in say 10 different ways for a squad.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Wargames Atlantic is doing what you describe, selling STLs and plastics at the same time. They also prove that plastics can still be profitable even when the STLs are available, so long as the plastics are accessible and reasonably priced.
GW’s biggest issue is with its pricing putting more and more pressure on the market to come up with solutions. Companies that don’t force their customers into the hands of 3D printers have a lot less to fear.
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Post by: Breotan
If DKoK were originally just a color change for Steel Legion models, why not do the reverse? Just use DKoK plastics for your Steel Legion and paint them appropriately. It may not be a 100% match but it seems to be a better option than buying the old, expensive metal models that GW is offering.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Breotan wrote:If DKoK were originally just a color change for Steel Legion models, why not do the reverse? Just use DKoK plastics for your Steel Legion and paint them appropriately. It may not be a 100% match but it seems to be a better option than buying the old, expensive metal models that GW is offering.
I use Krieg as my Vet Squads.
Or rather I did but then GW felt the need to eliminate Vets.
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Post by: Haighus
Breotan wrote:If DKoK were originally just a color change for Steel Legion models, why not do the reverse? Just use DKoK plastics for your Steel Legion and paint them appropriately. It may not be a 100% match but it seems to be a better option than buying the old, expensive metal models that GW is offering.
Eh, I prefer the aesthetic of the Steel Legion over the DKoK (there are significant differences, from the helmets to the gloves to the boots to the coats... Really they share gasmasks and long coats and basically nothing else), even though the DKoK are newer designs. I have both, and they don't look like they are from the same regiment IMO.
So I can see why people (incl. myself) want the originals, but those prices are higher than expected. I am thinking I will learn how to cast up my own from the ones I have.
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Post by: Olthannon
The daftest thing about it is it makes such poor economic sense. If they were a touch cheaper, they would have had so many people say, "well I might as well..." and pick up a platoon to make a quick 1k force.
I had a quick look through some social media tags and I've yet to see anyone say they want to pick them up.
Will GW pay attention to that and learn from it is the question.. answers on a postcard.
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Post by: alphaecho
Olthannon wrote:The daftest thing about it is it makes such poor economic sense. If they were a touch cheaper, they would have had so many people say, "well I might as well..." and pick up a platoon to make a quick 1k force.
I had a quick look through some social media tags and I've yet to see anyone say they want to pick them up.
Will GW pay attention to that and learn from it is the question.. answers on a postcard.
It's like someone in sales has done a very literal calculation based on the amount of personnel hours to procure metal, find the moulds, produce the figures, package them plus, based on that, we MUST make X% profit.
I'm old. If I wanted Steel Legion, I would have bought them on initial release.
This is not making me want to buy them now and, as a mortgage free Imperial Guard collector with a decent budget, I should be a cash cow.
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Post by: Skinnereal
GW are seeing what the market will bear. If 3D printing is now at a tipping pooint, they want to know about it.
And GW's only way to 'learn' is to do it with price points.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
Nearly went and splashed £300+ on these kits. Then decided I'll give myself till Friday to make a decision on them... Decided against it.
There are some specific models I really like and want, but I can't justify £19 on a commissar that I may really like as a model, but looks poor compared to modern counterpart models.
May still buy a heavy bolter as that is a really nice kit and I could add it to my steel legion squad.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
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Post by: catbarf
Kid_Kyoto wrote:The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
For me at least price is a driving factor. At $1-2 per model like WGA offers I wouldn't be saving that much by printing my own in resin. At $5+ per model it starts to become a lot more appealing.
Also the smaller guys, particularly garage operations, seem to be having an easier time pivoting to digital sculpting and releasing STLs.
GW's in a position of both being unwilling to acknowledge 3D printing exists and also setting prices and service in a way that encourages 3D printed alternatives. If there is a 3D print apocalypse coming, I wouldn't put money on GW being the last man standing without some serious changes to their business model.
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Post by: The_Real_Chris
Kid_Kyoto wrote:The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
Well most garage guys are historicals selling to an old crowd, so their market is kinda dying out... Automatically Appended Next Post: endlesswaltz123 wrote:Nearly went and splashed £300+ on these kits. Then decided I'll give myself till Friday to make a decision on them... Decided against it.
There are some specific models I really like and want, but I can't justify £19 on a commissar that I may really like as a model, but looks poor compared to modern counterpart models.
May still buy a heavy bolter as that is a really nice kit and I could add it to my steel legion squad.
I would have been up for some heavy weapon squads as I have infantry. Maybe some special weapons. But at that price? Such a shame.
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Post by: Snrub
Interestingly, both the Commissar and the mega bundle have now been removed from the AusGW site. I wonder why.
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Post by: Dysartes
They're gone off the UK site, too - which is odd, as I thought people had until Monday morning to order them, if they were going to.
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Post by: Snrub
I wonder if something happened to the Commissar mould? Maybe it got damaged during this run of casts or they got it out of storage to start the run and realised it was borked.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
i've seen reports of folk already receiving deliveries including the commissar, so they had a bunch cast up in advance, so i wouldn't be surprised if the mould has now failed
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Post by: Skywave
Psychopomp wrote: Skywave wrote:Instead of the 550$ or-so I would have to spent on GW stuff (for barely 500pts of guards)...
If that's $550 USD, then that's approaching Elegoo Saturn 2 money - an 8K mono printer with a print bed big enough for a squad and a half or a small tank all in one run. Just saying...
That was 550$ CAD, but yeah, even then I could have a bough a regular 3D printer, resin, files and still be cheaper! I already have a Mars 2 pro, so I just got the files and went at it.
I already printed about 500pts of infantry (which is what that 550$ would've got me) with tons of extras and stuff that didn't exist (medic, comm, melta gun, plasma pistol, some extra visual variant like some armored chest and camo helmet and female head, etc)
Haven't got around to build them all yet but yeah, definitely the way to go for stuff like that.
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Post by: Snrub
How long do the sort of Metal/Resin moulds that GW use generally last?
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Post by: The Ferret
So I just wanted to inform everyone that this might not be a true made to order.
I was needing a few things mainly the lascannon's, so decided to purchase the platoon deal (£110) on Thursday.
Well low and behold it arrived this morning to my surprise. So either they had a load of stuff laying around or they managed to cast it up before the MTO ended (which i doubt).
Has anyone heard of this happening before?
I'm glad i don't have to wait 6 months but it makes me feel the increased price is 100% not justified in the slightest...
I mean it's slightly cheaper than ebay costs which was why i folded and i already had a fair few steel legion models (just no lascannon's).
EDIT : added two gallery pictures showing the Platoon box and contents.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yes, it's happened every time. They do a preemptive casting and then everything beyond it is Made to Order.
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Post by: Original Timmy
Someone over in the Loot group emailed GW and apparently the mini was withdrawn from sale, as they had a lot of complaints that the mini you receive, isnt the mini pictured. Like it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it was a staff members conversion.
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Post by: Geifer
The Ferret wrote:I'm glad i don't have to wait 6 months but it makes me feel the increased price is 100% not justified in the slightest...
I mean it's slightly cheaper than ebay costs which was why i folded and i already had a fair few steel legion models (just no lascannon's).
Disregarding for a moment that the justification for the stupid high prices isn't production cost but that people will pay the price, material volume and work time is the same whether it's put in before, during or after the made to order window.
That GW is confident in their sales to preemptively cast up a number of models so they can fulfill early purchases right away is one of the unmitigated upsides to this.
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Post by: scarletsquig
Kid_Kyoto wrote:The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
Last of all will be the indie 3d sculptors as soon as AI starts generating high quality STLs from text prompts.
This tech is already in the early stages of development by nvidia and other companies, and the rate of progress is at the point where 3D modelling could cease to be a profession in a decade.
There will come a time when we can casually shout at our 3d printer "Josef, print steel legion, heavy bolter, but riding a 12-legged unicorn, painted tartan, clear 60mm round base" and have something ready for the gaming table an hour later.
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Post by: The Ferret
Kanluwen wrote:Yes, it's happened every time. They do a preemptive casting and then everything beyond it is Made to Order.
Ah thanks for the clarification. I was unsure if this was common, I've made a few MTO orders before and always got them a few months after (even when purchasing on the first day).
My imagination for a second thought "hey maybe they found a pallet etc of Steel Legion tucked away" and decided to make a quick buck off it.
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Post by: Tamereth
I’ve had mixed results with the made to order stuff. One order arrived two days after I ordered it, meanwhile I’m still waiting on a fellbeast I ordered at the start of February.
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Post by: Dysartes
Original Timmy wrote:Someone over in the Loot group emailed GW and apparently the mini was withdrawn from sale, as they had a lot of complaints that the mini you receive, isnt the mini pictured. Like it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it was a staff members conversion.
...you'd think it wouldn't be hard to make sure you're showing the miniature you're actually casting, wouldn't you?
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Post by: Snrub
Tamereth wrote:I’ve had mixed results with the made to order stuff. One order arrived two days after I ordered it, meanwhile I’m still waiting on a fellbeast I ordered at the start of February.
I'm still waiting for that batch too!
I'm also still waiting for the Breaking of the Fellowship I ordered on the 2nd of the October last year. As of today, that's 6 months since ordering, so their 180 days shipping window has now elapsed. They're about to get an email inquiring as to why my order is still pending.
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Post by: Geifer
Dysartes wrote: Original Timmy wrote:Someone over in the Loot group emailed GW and apparently the mini was withdrawn from sale, as they had a lot of complaints that the mini you receive, isnt the mini pictured. Like it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it was a staff members conversion.
...you'd think it wouldn't be hard to make sure you're showing the miniature you're actually casting, wouldn't you?
Hard? No. But expensive. You have to cast one up, pay for the material, the dude doing the casting, then you need to pay the painter for the time it takes to paint it up, because you can't just give it a black wash like it's the Nineties all over again, then the photographer to get a picture, and finally some CGI wizard to give it that GW approved white background and made to order logo.
Who's going to pay for all that? The customers? Come on. GW is selling these models almost at cost. Where's all that money supposed to come from?
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Geifer wrote: Dysartes wrote: Original Timmy wrote:Someone over in the Loot group emailed GW and apparently the mini was withdrawn from sale, as they had a lot of complaints that the mini you receive, isnt the mini pictured. Like it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it was a staff members conversion.
...you'd think it wouldn't be hard to make sure you're showing the miniature you're actually casting, wouldn't you?
Hard? No. But expensive. You have to cast one up, pay for the material, the dude doing the casting, then you need to pay the painter for the time it takes to paint it up, because you can't just give it a black wash like it's the Nineties all over again, then the photographer to get a picture, and finally some CGI wizard to give it that GW approved white background and made to order logo.
Who's going to pay for all that? The customers? Come on. GW is selling these models almost at cost. Where's all that money supposed to come from?
Even worse - imagine if they'd had to take the correct arm off one of the Commissars from the last MTO batch they did a few weeks ago, and just stick that on and paint that up. Imagine how much that technical expertise would cost!
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Post by: Dysartes
Geifer wrote: Dysartes wrote: Original Timmy wrote:Someone over in the Loot group emailed GW and apparently the mini was withdrawn from sale, as they had a lot of complaints that the mini you receive, isnt the mini pictured. Like it was pointed out earlier in this thread that it was a staff members conversion.
...you'd think it wouldn't be hard to make sure you're showing the miniature you're actually casting, wouldn't you?
Hard? No. But expensive. You have to cast one up, pay for the material, the dude doing the casting, then you need to pay the painter for the time it takes to paint it up, because you can't just give it a black wash like it's the Nineties all over again, then the photographer to get a picture, and finally some CGI wizard to give it that GW approved white background and made to order logo.
Who's going to pay for all that? The customers? Come on. GW is selling these models almost at cost. Where's all that money supposed to come from?
...I think my sarcasm detector just exploded.
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Post by: BlackoCatto
Kid_Kyoto wrote:The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
You do realize historicals is at the largest its ever been?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Tamereth wrote:I’ve had mixed results with the made to order stuff. One order arrived two days after I ordered it, meanwhile I’m still waiting on a fellbeast I ordered at the start of February.
One way to check if your model was actually made to order is to turn off the lights and hold it in your hands.
You should see a faint glow and feel the warmth of the forge. If not then you should return it for a refund. Automatically Appended Next Post: BlackoCatto wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
You do realize historicals is at the largest its ever been?
I'd actually not heard that. Hope it's true.
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Post by: NAVARRO
scarletsquig wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:The 3D printing apocalypse is already upon us, but it's the small garage makers that are suffering and disappearing.
The smaller manufacturers will go next.
market leaders last of all.
Last of all will be the indie 3d sculptors as soon as AI starts generating high quality STLs from text prompts.
This tech is already in the early stages of development by nvidia and other companies, and the rate of progress is at the point where 3D modelling could cease to be a profession in a decade.
There will come a time when we can casually shout at our 3d printer "Josef, print steel legion, heavy bolter, but riding a 12-legged unicorn, painted tartan, clear 60mm round base" and have something ready for the gaming table an hour later.
Lost count of how many traditional companies vanished in the last years to be replaced with what we have today... so future AI will swallow all digital content and regurgitate it for you.
I can live without any digital... but can you?
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Post by: Adeptekon
Lord Damocles wrote:It turns out that all of the tin used to cast Steel Legion comes from Eastern Ukraine, and the shipping containers carrying it to Nottingham were delayed by Somali pirates due to climate change.
Considering Ukraine is where all the indy painters are they could have employed a team to sell them tabletop ready.
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Post by: ph34r
Supposedly my Steel Legion Commissar and officer are shipped, so I guess I got one of the last commissars before they dropped the mold or whatever? Couldn’t stomach shelling out for the basic squads and $35 heavy weapons models. I bought 5 steel legion boxes at their $35 price when they first discontinued them. If I need more heavy weapons I may have to go through alternate methods.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Dysartes wrote:...you'd think it wouldn't be hard to make sure you're showing the miniature you're actually casting, wouldn't you?
I mean... what company are we talking about here?
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Post by: tneva82
The Ferret wrote:Well low and behold it arrived this morning to my surprise. So either they had a load of stuff laying around or they managed to cast it up before the MTO ended (which i doubt).
Has anyone heard of this happening before?
MTO's are always first send what they have available, then fill up rest. This is normal feature that has been done by GW...Ummm...When was first MTO done? That far back away anyway. Don't recall when they introduced MTO's.
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