Paul Atreides, page 26 wrote:Page twelve to thirteen. When pressed to point out who he would lynch if he had to, this is his response
the_ferrett, page 13 wrote:Lan due to the votes hopping. Either he and Nachoes are very indecisive or they'e playing silly buggers. Either way it raises my hackles. Heretic behaviour, maybe not. Offputting - yep!
I skimmed through the whole thread yesterday. Now I'lladmit that this is a veeeery weak lead by itself. There was one more quote from ferrett on this very subject, but I couldn't find it now. I'll try again.
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I'm testing something, so I'm not going to change my vote.
So in otherwords, I'm not really adding much atm.
Ohh and incase I get nightkilled, I'm just going to quote these posts. I'm testing something by doing so, I'll explain it if I don't die.
Halo, I sure hope you at least try to read this. The_ferret pointed out the two people he thought where most suspicious, and Drk_O tested if he was actually serving us two cultists to gain some trust from the town. But he wanted to be a little subtle about it, and so didn't change his vote (it was already on IG) and lo and behold, IG was a cultist. After the nightphase, he claimed the fact he was Alive was further proof that you were too, as it would cast you in a bad light if he had been killed. What, Halo, do you think the cultists gain by you not looking suspicious in everyone else's eyes?
These are not thoughts I have jumped on for the first time this dayphase, if you doubt my word, go reread page 26. Please. And if you think my change in behaviour was sudden and random, I 'm sorry I startled you, but do know that I have been very much in doubt who of you or syphonius to trust throughout most of dayphase 2.
And speaking of Syph, "thinner than flak armour"... This is the most delicious of ironies.
By the way, I go to bed and leave you alone to talk, and now you are both claiming to be Inquisitors? Give me a break.
Lastly and totally unrelated, Scott, why do you think IG seemed to hate you more than Drk_O?
Paul Atreides wrote:1. And speaking of Syph, "thinner than flak armour"... This is the most delicious of ironies.
2. By the way, I go to bed and leave you alone to talk, and now you are both claiming to be Inquisitors? Give me a break.
1. Please elaborate on this, honestly.
2. No. As I have stated, mine was purely hypothetical, I was trying to prove that any of us could claim that we're inquisitors. Some of us have better stories than others.
OK, you know what's really disappointing? Do you guys know what I'm getting out of your arguments? It's a special new way of arguing anything called "Shove it down their throat". Seriously, you guys have at some points just been screaming stuff that made sense, then retorted with "Your point is m00t because you're evil"....
IGLannister wrote:You brought a sword back? Yeah, I hate you.
Not a proper sword. Wooden.
Mate of mine brought back a butterfly knife. If i really wanted to I could have bought a flintlock pistol or a machete or something. Really bloody cheap.
Anyway OT now. The argument between Inq and halo isn't ending cultists. You both believe yourselves to be town then prove it.
Inq: I don't think your the Inquisitor
Halo: You neither. Anoucing it may be a way to certify 1 lynch but its really a suicide note.
Example is BishopGore cypticlly said he was a pysker, then was night-killed just incase he was tellling the truth. So Halo I beleive that your trying to make yourself a target to help the actual Inquisitor survive another night phase.
Viking, the thing is I was kind of prevented from using my night shield to protect someone else. I was the main target for both days and had to keep my shield on myself. The night-kills have been safe randoms and I had hoped that by saying bishop could be a possessed goodie or that he was just lying he wouldn't be night killed.
I was bluffed into thinking that I would be the target for the second night kill and kept it to myself. They struck bishop down though so it made me look guilty by making me look like I was a cultist trying not to look guilty, which really sucks and is really confusing.
I'm a new inquisitor and I got myself bluffed to bits.
Paul, about the whole IG thing.
By not killing Drk it made me look guilty, if they had killed him I would look guilty. The only difference being that one would make it look like I was a stupid cultist who was risky and the other would make me look like a cultist trying to night kill whoever would make them look innocent.
The cultists were playing it relatively safe though, night kill a good player who will most likely have a role and then blame it on someone with the most suspicion on them. If the cultists had night killed,let's say, fifty or scarper, or even you it would look like the person with the highest chance of being lynched(being me) was voting people who hadn't talked that much to avoid suspicion because the cultists had been "caught".
No matter who was night killed I would still look guilty, it would just look like I took a different route to hide it.
halonachos wrote:Viking, the thing is I was kind of prevented from using my night shield to protect someone else. I was the main target for both days and had to keep my shield on myself. The night-kills have been safe randoms and I had hoped that by saying bishop could be a possessed goodie or that he was just lying he wouldn't be night killed.
You were a target during nightphase two and three for nightkills?
I was bluffed into thinking that I would be the target for the second night kill and kept it to myself. They struck bishop down though so it made me look guilty by making me look like I was a cultist trying not to look guilty, which really sucks and is really confusing.
By whom?
I'm a new inquisitor and I got myself bluffed to bits.
Personally, I just see this as being excessive. A silly snippet delcaring yourself inquisitor.
By not killing Drk it made me look guilty, if they had killed him I would look guilty. The only difference being that one would make it look like I was a stupid cultist who was risky and the other would make me look like a cultist trying to night kill whoever would make them look innocent.
No, if you had night killed him, you wouldn't be any more of a suspect.
No matter who was night killed I would still look guilty, it would just look like I took a different route to hide it.
Nope, you always look guilty, though one or two options would make you look MORE guilty.
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Alright, you and I know that you're not the inquisitor, so let us get down to business...
My argument:
The cultist band wagoned on the easy GND, to save you from the lynching. Team play followed.
Your argument:
You're apparently an inquisitor now, and that you investigated me, seeing that I was a cultist...
The bandwagon thing is a somewhat important fact. Although you did suspect me and GND and IG, you voted for GND and only switched your vote from IG to me because Drk decided to vote for IG as well.
The bandwagon would put IG, Paul, and Vadem together in an act to "protect me". I thought IG was innocent, Vadem I didn't know about and he was new at the time so I doubt he actually had a role assigned as soon as he joined. We didn't have any empty roles till after day 1 so Vadem's vote was made because he was a townie and new. Think about that one.
My suspicion of Paul comes in because of this quote:
paul wrote:While they can be distracting, That is what makes them so important to us.
During the beginning of Day 2 your suspicions were Vadem(who didn't have a role because they were all filled), Paul, LL, and I.
We all know that LL was an inquisitor, as to Paul... we all know he's fishy.
So Inguisitor, you didn't vote for IG last day phase huh? What's your excuse, I missed the deadline because I thought it was on monday again.
Your vote stayed directly on me while you blamed Paul and I for being cultists. IG was understandable in terms of logic(he would night kill the guy who went after him). While you said that Drk voted for GND well before I was in any danger and that Paul voted for GND after I was in danger.
Well, here's the thing, I was only in danger because of your vote after you switched from GND to me. I think you did this to get on our good side.
The bandwagon thing is a somewhat important fact. Although you did suspect me and GND and IG, you voted for GND and only switched your vote from IG to me because Drk decided to vote for IG as well.
The bandwagon would put IG, Paul, and Vadem together in an act to "protect me". I thought IG was innocent, Vadem I didn't know about and he was new at the time so I doubt he actually had a role assigned as soon as he joined. We didn't have any empty roles till after day 1 so Vadem's vote was made because he was a townie and new. Think about that one.
My suspicion of Paul comes in because of this quote:
paul wrote:While they can be distracting, That is what makes them so important to us.
During the beginning of Day 2 your suspicions were Vadem(who didn't have a role because they were all filled), Paul, LL, and I.
We all know that LL was an inquisitor, as to Paul... we all know he's fishy.
So Inguisitor, you didn't vote for IG last day phase huh? What's your excuse, I missed the deadline because I thought it was on monday again.
Your vote stayed directly on me while you blamed Paul and I for being cultists. IG was understandable in terms of logic(he would night kill the guy who went after him). While you said that Drk voted for GND well before I was in any danger and that Paul voted for GND after I was in danger.
Well, here's the thing, I was only in danger because of your vote after you switched from GND to me. I think you did this to get on our good side.
Although wasn't Caeser attended by 3 fellow senators?
Lannister had his doubts as did Paul and TherVadem? Paul did, but I see that I forgot to get his vote for the last day phase. Vadem had voted for IG, but decided that he might be innocent.
Lan hated scott so either Scott is a townie or a cultist, its one hell of a distancing ploy if scott is a cultist, but he followed me in questioning the lynch of GND so I think he's on my team with that.
Vadem needs to prove himself, but as I said, I doubt he has a major part in this play of conundrum and convolution, he might just be a tree in the background. If I live and he survives the night, he's on my list to look at along with Drk and Scott. Paul, if we both survive, I'm checking you out.
halonachos wrote:1. Circle? I'm a leader, not a follower.
2. Although wasn't Caeser attended by 3 fellow senators?
3. Lannister had his doubts as did Paul and TherVadem? Paul did, but I see that I forgot to get his vote for the last day phase. Vadem had voted for IG, but decided that he might be innocent.
4. Lan hated scott so either Scott is a townie or a cultist, its one hell of a distancing ploy if scott is a cultist, but he followed me in questioning the lynch of GND so I think he's on my team with that.
5. Vadem needs to prove himself, but as I said, I doubt he has a major part in this play of conundrum and convolution, he might just be a tree in the background. If I live and he survives the night, he's on my list to look at along with Drk and Scott. Paul, if we both survive, I'm checking you out.
1. Yes, that is what I was getting at.
2. I don't think he was really attended by that number. Either more or... not senators.
3. I meant I had my doubts about them.
4. Scott is a townie, he questioned the lynch of GND like me? So... on my team...?
5. You mean with you're "investigate"? I thought you already "investigated" me.
Ok, answer the question please!
Groups are bad.
There are three squares following around a circle.
Oh, well you can cut the head off the snake, but you're just removing the body from the head.
I can remove the circle, but another square will smooth things out and be the new circle and seeing as though there are no mental ramifications and they get 2 days I doubt removing the circle will actually do anything besides put someone else in charge. Unless the cultists are incredibly democratic and believe in communalism.
I was wrong, I think it was 6 senators. Point being these men followed Caeser, but later killed him to end his reign. It is possible that Paul and Viking and Vadem and anyone else who supported me are cultists, but that will be taken care of in due time.
Oh, well you can cut the head off the snake, but you're just removing the body from the head.
I can remove the circle, but another square will smooth things out and be the new circle and seeing as though there are no mental ramifications and they get 2 days I doubt removing the circle will actually do anything besides put someone else in charge. Unless the cultists are incredibly democratic and believe in communalism.
I was wrong, I think it was 6 senators. Point being these men followed Caeser, but later killed him to end his reign. It is possible that Paul and Viking and Vadem and anyone else who supported me are cultists, but that will be taken care of in due time.
halonachos wrote:Oh, well you can cut the head off the snake, but you're just removing the body from the head.
I can remove the circle, but another square will smooth things out and be the new circle and seeing as though there are no mental ramifications and they get 2 days I doubt removing the circle will actually do anything besides put someone else in charge. Unless the cultists are incredibly democratic and believe in communalism.
How can you possibly be saying this? Is getting rid of cultists not productive now?
I seriously find your post confusing. /shrug
Circles are easier to spot than squares.
If you kill the circle, then you don't kill a triangle, and you put the squares on their back foot. As well as getting closer to the triangle's goal.
If you kill a square, you're not killing a triangle, and the triangles get closer to achieving their goal.
What about the ovals? If we ignore them the trapezoids will have full reign to trample over the rhombi as they please. If the rhombi are taken out we may lose our acute triangles!
halonachos wrote:What about the ovals? If we ignore them the trapezoids will have full reign to trample over the rhombi as they please. If the rhombi are taken out we may lose our acute triangles!
It started off as circles and squares, but when you didn't understand I had to go more in-depth.
The Triangles are us, the townies.
The Circle is the lead cultist(?), who is making the executive decisions.
The Squares are the people purposefully, or inadvertently, following the lead cultist.
Syphonius wants to know if we should kill the lead cultist (who is easier to spot), or his support, the squares. Meanwhile, Halo says that killing the lead cultist will only result in one of the followers, or squares, becoming a new lead cultist.
TherVadam wrote:The Triangles are us, the townies.
The Circle is the lead cultist(?), who is making the executive decisions.
The Squares are the people purposefully, or inadvertently, following the lead cultist.
Syphonius wants to know if we should kill the lead cultist (who is easier to spot), or his support, the squares. Meanwhile, Halo says that killing the lead cultist will only result in one of the followers, or squares, becoming a new lead cultist.
Right?
Indeed. It just started off as why I chose to nab him.
It grew into that.
Though the fact that he says lynching a circle is less valuable then lynching a square is a bit silly.
Especially since squares may or may not be townies.
Not necessarily silly, like I said nabbing a circle doesn't really matter in this game. Now, if we were talking about war or some terrorist organization in which people actually listen and follow orders I would say go after the circle.
Now, in this game there are a majority of townies left, or else the game would've ended, so you could say that the squares are the cultist and the circle is our Caeser in which case I would go after the squares.
halonachos wrote:Not necessarily silly, like I said nabbing a circle doesn't really matter in this game. Now, if we were talking about war or some terrorist organization in which people actually listen and follow orders I would say go after the circle.
Now, in this game there are a majority of townies left, or else the game would've ended, so you could say that the squares are the cultist and the circle is our Caeser in which case I would go after the squares.
Why is our circle Caesar? I pointed out he was a leader of the squares so to say.
So, that is why I am lynching you, and I still don't get your argument.
Are you implying that killing the person who the cultists are following (you) is dumb, and that we should kill some other square. (your lackeys?)
Perhaps, but this speculation is adding to the game from what I've seen.
Spoiler:
Thought this was the number huh
Well I guess I could put it up during the next day phase, perhaps playing off whoever is lynched here. That's if enough want it though, most might just be happy with trying to figure it all out.
You sure? In that case, never mind. I just mentioned the fact that IG in his deathpost only adressed one of his lynchers, but if what you say is true then that was to be expected. Sorry I ever brought the subject up.
Oh right, er.... forgot I was still rage-voting Syphonius. Yeah, I don't think it's going to do anything, and it would be quite the suspicious thing so...
Erm, this may be bandwagoning, and I accept that, but if someone else is also voting for Inquisitor_Syphonius, I feel I have the right to vote for him as well, even if there's a good chance VikingScott might withdraw his vote.
Paul: You do realize how suspicious it would look if you were to jump in and kill me right? Hell, I don't think you will, but it would look pretty suspicious.
Meh, I've been angry at Inquisitor_Syphonius this whole time (could be the whole accusing me for 2 straight days), and I'll vote for him if anybody votes for him. He knows that I have nothing real against him. On the other hand, are we really adding and changing letters in people's names again? I'm not the one that called you Vikki.
I attacked halonachos alot more... you don't see him voting for me?
Vote for who you actually think is a cultist. If you think I am a cultist, vote for me and leave it at that.
Voting for me because you are angry at me is pretty cultist-esque. Scott here has a perfectly fine reason to vote for me, though I hope he doesn't, since I am offering a compromise.
Paul Atreides, page 26 wrote:Page twelve to thirteen. When pressed to point out who he would lynch if he had to, this is his response
the_ferrett, page 13 wrote:Lan due to the votes hopping. Either he and Nachoes are very indecisive or they'e playing silly buggers. Either way it raises my hackles. Heretic behaviour, maybe not. Offputting - yep!
I skimmed through the whole thread yesterday. Now I'lladmit that this is a veeeery weak lead by itself. There was one more quote from ferrett on this very subject, but I couldn't find it now. I'll try again.
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I'm testing something, so I'm not going to change my vote.
So in otherwords, I'm not really adding much atm.
Ohh and incase I get nightkilled, I'm just going to quote these posts. I'm testing something by doing so, I'll explain it if I don't die.
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:
TherVadam wrote:Drk_O: Can you please explain wth you're talking about?
the_ferrett was a daemon, he was unsure whether to vote for Lanny or Haloz(I'm resisting the urge to call him Hally ). Daemons don't need cultsits, they need psykers. Daemons KNOW who the cultists are. To seem like a kewl town gai, you need to kill bad guys. Cultists ARE bad guys.
I propose that the_ferrett was trying to seem like the aformentioned kewl town gai, and couldn't decide between the two cultists with the most attention at that time. I tested this theory yesterday, by voting for Lanny, and it worked. So, with this in mind, I figure Halo has a 80% chance of being a cultist at this time.
That's why I'm voting for Halo. I'm not entirely convinced myself, but the evidence seem pretty good, and unless there's more than one remaining inquisitor, I know he's lying/lied about being the inqusitor.
Ok we are on Day 3 right? Real Inquisitor if Halonachos survives then please investigate him. If Halo dies (and isn't the Inquisitor) I think either Inquisitor_Syphonious or Drk_O needs investigating.
Paul: You do realize how suspicious it would look if you were to jump in and kill me right? Hell, I don't think you will, but it would look pretty suspicious.
The thought of this course of action, and it's potential outcomes and consequences, has struck me, I won't deny that. But that would be a very silly thing to do. Even if you turn out to be a cultist, it would still be one of the most suspicious things to do. Of course I won't.
Once again you all start arguing again. With a fair few now dead there was even more pressure to find out who was loyal to the Emperor.
A few were quick to start questioning Halo, almost eager to get rid of him. Others viewed this with suspicion, trying to find a side to stand on. Eventually Halo declared that he was an Inquisitor. Rattled by the sudden and violent removal of a higer ranked Inquisitor he looked around the room trying to find the pupeteer.
Instead his glancing around the room was met by a cold stare back in his direction from Syph. A simple "Really, you an Inquisitor?" echoed through the silent room. Syph was now walking in his direction. "Yes of course cultist, your lies will not save you from his justice" replied Halo.
"My lies?" replied Syph. Halo laughed and raised a Bolt Pistol. "Cultist the Imperium lost a fine agent of justice today, I have hardly the patience to even try to put up with your silly little games".
Syph raised a Bolt Pistol as well and fired. Halo fired as he was hit and fell as well, the round simply grazing Syph through the light armour he wore underneath his clothes. The round detonated in Halo's chest and he fell to the ground. Syph walked up to Halo's remains and a quick search of his pockets revealed that he was in possession of a flyer trying to promote the dark gods, claiming the Emperor as a simple corpse of a fool; a common claim by heretical texts like this.
Halo was a Cultist
Nightphase starts PM actions to me Also if you were wondering who Stynier was possessing, it was Lan.
You all awake after a nice peaceful sleep. Surprisingly nothing had happened, maybe it was a sign from the minions of chaos. Whatever it was it didn't fell right.
Maybe Syph truely was the Inquisitor afterall.
Dayphase four start
Current Votes VikingScott -0
Scarper -0
Drk_0blitr8r -0
Inquisitor_Syphonious -0
Paul Atreides -0
Arheiner -0
Fifty -0
TherVadam -0
No Lynch -0
With 8 left alive 5 are required to lynch. This day phase ends in two weeks starting from now which would be August 8th. Seeing as the 7th is my birthday I'm going to give you an extra half week and end it on the 11th.
As I see it, either the cultists don't want us to have any more leads and are waiting for us to target the wrong guy and finish it for them, or they tried to kill the inquisitor (or at least the one protected by the inquisitor) Or, and this is not very likely, the remaining cultists are the quiet ones, arheiner and scarper. Maybe there are two cultists left, maybe there are 3. (I'll admit, I didn't try to solve n0t_u's problem.
I was hoping that Halo's Inquisitor act would have revealed who his buddies are, but he didn't make that mistake, saying that he investigated Bishop after he died. But, he did, however, say that Syph was a cultist...
I am going to be absent as well, perhaps for quite a while (we are getting a new IP adress to our new apartment by snail-mail, I am currently writing this on a friend's computer). Not sure when I'll catch up with you again, hopefully before the next nightphase.
And Drk_O, I am sure it is a wonderful reason you have got there, And I look forward to hearing it.
OK, well.... I've already convinced myself . Who else? Syphonius will never be convinced, and I doubt my ability to clear mysef in your eyes, so I'd have to convince Paul and Drk..... OK, well... Paul you here?
OH U, Ther. Don't appeal to my cowardly nature, you piece of possible cultist work. Honestly yes, I do worry that with me all chances of imperial victory could disappear, but you have to do better than that.
Well, here's the thing. You are very possibly going to die. Comments? No. Anyway, I have a fun time in this game, although Not_U screwed me over. I was a townie (at the point in time that everyone used for the initial evidence of my being a cultist), and then he made me a cultist, which I am now, which is somewhat sad, but I hope that someday I will see you another game where we will be on the same side, or on Xbox Live, or on Vassal, what did you say your Gamertag was VikingScott? Anyway, I say farewell to all of you.
*cough, cough* You know I'm technically already dead and voting for me now is somewhere between bandwagoning and kicking the dead horse right lol? Anyway, I hope Thor will allow me to join his genestealer game, and maybe I'll be on your teams that time
I do. And as for voting, Yeah, but on the other hand you are a cultist killing yourself off, It just doesn't sit right. Not_U is probably turning over in his sleep right now.
Well, it has been fun playing with you, and too hope we get to be on the same side.
Well I guess that was some fun then. I need to change my persona next time. I was off-putting and if I had changed that I would've I would've been out a lot earlier.
Syph led the attack by quickly pointing at Vadam.
"Cultist!" he yelled.
Still believing that he is the Inquisitor some of the others followed him, but it was Vadam who took his own life.
"Feth it" he exclaimed, gun pointed at his head.
He pulled the trigger and the gunshot echoed through the room, which now had more corpses than living people.
Paul ran up to him and checked the body. Apon discovering heretical material and showing it to the others, he Teabagged the dead Cultist and kicked him once extra hard in the side.
The last cultist can now night kill whoever they want.
And we still have one Inquisitor.
I have no idea who is who right now but will look back and around to see who seems the most suspicious.
Who is left?
Lol anyway, death post. I had no music that was appropriate for death, so I've decided to post this (btw the lyrics don't matter, I just listen for the music)
Well Scott, Now it's down to me, you, syphonius and drk_O. One of us will most definately die tonight, and then we have one shot at getting the cultist.
Not_U, this must have been one nightmare of a game for you to manage. How many dropped out? Is it usually like this on these games?
You awake, greeted by the body of Paul chained up against a wall. Badly injured to the point where you are barely able to recognize him.
You all walk over to see if there are any clues around so as to finally end the nightmare. He coughs up blood. His eyes missing he blindly faces forwards.
"Why are you doing this? This isn't right... WHY?!?! WHY!?!? WHY?......" he said before coughing up some more blood, then silence.
We can't no lynch either as the cultist will night-kill anther townie and they win.
But the other townie is the Hereticus Inquisitor who is shielded from night-kills so it is a stalemate. As I am just a townie I have a 50/50 desicion. So either the cultist dies or the Inquisitor.
I would call the Inquisitor to reavel themselves but I doubt the cultist would stay quiet.
Scott, are you really going to leave you winning this game up to chance? I mean, as a cultist, you should have waited for Inq or I voted for each other. Its obvious I'm not a cultist, I'm cheifly responsible for purging this room of two of your fellow cultists. Two. I might be a crazy player, but I'm no way near ballzy enough to kill two cultists to throw everyone off. I believe the cultist killed off Paul because whenever he voted, it was always against someone I had voted for. Inq, for the only remaining hope the townies have of winning a full game, join me in voting for Scott. (n0t_u, mums phone doesn't have the square brackets, so can you count me as voting for scott?)
Shield saved him twice IIRC. The last time Vadem tried to kill you was also the last time it could protect him. So really he could have been nightkilled before this day phase.
Drk_O was more of a special cultist. Basically I decided to mark him down as one at the time of announcing the roles, then not to tell him until Day 4. If the game ended before he found out then bam Loyalist victory.
I figured it would be interesting to see how it came out, I mean if you truely believe you are innocent and others start to believe you, what happens when you find out you've been one of the bad guys the whole time
If people are interested I'm considering running another of these games, but a bit more simple. I may have mentioned the idea before, but, Squigs versus Gretchin. Gretchin are like the Loyalist Citizens and Squigs just do all the chomping. The difference being that no one will know who is on what team from the start. I'll probably wait for Thor's one to progess a fair bit, or sooner if enough people want it to.
The thought of this course of action, and it's potential outcomes and consequences, has struck me, I won't deny that. But that would be a very silly thing to do. Even if you turn out to be a cultist, it would still be one of the most suspicious things to do. Of course I won't.
