Rending wouldn't really do anything anyway. No real purpose if your sniper rifle is already AP1, and an average armor pen vs vehicles of 19 is good enough.
puma713 wrote:But we'll see if that becomes a part of the meta. Not a whole lot of people building with Eldar in mind.
I always liked Riflemen Dreads actually, and even more so in the GK codex. Anti-psyker defense with the Reinforced Aegis, can nullify Shaken and Stunned results with Fortitude and is pretty reliable against skimmers and such. Landspeeders, all Dark Eldar vehicles, Ork Deffkoptas (Instant Death with S8), light armoured transports like Rhinos and Razorbacks, or side armour on Chimeras are all excellent targets. Not bad for 135 points.
Don't know on my screen there's a curved line (think of it like an L and there's a cross over line between the vertical part and the horizontal so if it was a 6 it would be a 6 with a little tag coming of the hoop :S if that makes sense.
Don't know on my screen there's a curved line (think of it like an L and there's a cross over line between the vertical part and the horizontal so if it was a 6 it would be a 6 with a little tag coming of the hoop :S if that makes sense.
didnt see post above, that looks like a 4 to me
I see what you mean now, a 6 with a very small hoop haha sorry for the excitement guys :S
Just looked over the Grey Knights advance order pics on the GW site and I must say I'm really unimpressed.
The Dreadknight looks even worse than I imagined and I couldn't see myself wanting to field one ever because of the model.
The PAGK failed to impress me as well. I don't know if it's just their odd helmets but something about them is off-putting. I do have to give GW props for making them in plastic and giving them plenty of options.
The terminators were maybe my favorite, but I was really hoping for something to blow me away. Again, big props for the plastic kit and a ton of options.
Look at the old metals compared to the basic marines/terminators of the past and the GK metals blew them away and looked really special. I just don't see much difference anymore. Maybe that's a good thing. But there's no way I can get past that Dreadknight. It really looks like a toy. Like it should have a button on the back that when pressed will shoot the spring loaded hand off at your target. The comparisons to transformers are much to true for my liking. It just doesn't fit in with the style of the rest of the army or the imperium. It looks like some bastardized unholy union between tau and terran technology. I swear that model could be altered very slightly and fit in perfectly with a tau army.
Pre-ordering the codex and a box of terminators. I'll have to reserve judgement and think really hard before jumping into this army, an army that seemed like a slam dunk to get into not too long ago.
Mantle wrote:Don't know on my screen there's a curved line (think of it like an L and there's a cross over line between the vertical part and the horizontal so if it was a 6 it would be a 6 with a little tag coming of the hoop :S if that makes sense.
didnt see post above, that looks like a 4 to me
I see what you mean now, a 6 with a very small hoop haha sorry for the excitement guys :S
/facepalm
Why are you even mentioning things from the leak now that the real dex is in peoples hands, people want hard facts now that the dex is "out" not leaked scibble that could be years old...
On a side note regarding the Turbo Penetrator, the old max was a pen roll of 30 (3+3D6+3D3) if you rolled 6s on everything. The new one is 39 (3+4D6+4D3), would be funny if they added a rule that gave +1 to the pen roll for every 2-3 rolled over the vehicles armour
MadCowCrazy wrote:The new one is 39 (3+4D6+4D3), would be funny if they added a rule that gave +1 to the pen roll for every 2-3 rolled over the vehicles armour
ph34r wrote:We have seen the playtest codex. Unless somehow the assassins got mega buffed since them, they are not good. Except vindicare of course.
Also grand strategy comes on a 200 point model and should not be used as a crutch for assassins. It has better uses.
I dont know, I dont see the assassins as lacking.
I see most players using the librarian deep striking dickbomb list since its dumb and simple enough to play, and after the first turn, the librarians job is done, i dont see the harm in gating over an assassin out of line of sight (with teleport homer) on turn 2, without the libby you still have grand masters to let them outflank.
The one that gains power from psykers is extremely powerful, gate him in between 2 rhino's, he's now within range of at least 22 psykers
the others are primarly for disruption, I dont believe in the "making back points" thing, I think one has a list in every GK list depending on how you are making your army, primarily to disrupt enemies while your big guns get there to beat stuff up.
Well, I'm... underwhelmed. The detail on the terminators and troopers isn't what I thought it would be after the Blood Angels and Space hulk miniatures. It could just be the paint, but the details looks soft. Also, LOL that the "Brotherhood Champion" is the old Justicar model.
I could still see getting a box of terminators for some fun modeling, maybe. However I wasn't all about GK anyway- they only really appealed to me in the Ben Counter books, which are apparently at odds with how most people see Grey Knights.
Wow.
You see Im a fanboy. I get everything from GW. The amount of hoarding that i do is insane. People that know my websites and blogs know that Im an idiot when it comes down to Gw. I used to work for them and bought more that 35k$ CDN in 5 years....
But at these prices...its JUST SAY NO!!!!
Ebay will have them bitz available soon enough and thats it. GW went overboard this time with their pricing. On top of this, Dread Knight doesnt look 40k like and Terminators....
The old one was 3+3D6+3D3 (S3 for sniper, 3D6 pen, 3D3 on successful rends), the likelihood of getting this is pretty much less than 1%. Haven't done the math myself but it can't happen very often.
His Master's Voice wrote:Yes, because Dreadnoughts are such well thought out, good looking designs. I mean, in fanfiction they could actually walk without falling over all the time.
Yes, he's quite obviously talking about how realistic a Dreadnought is and not about how this violates the established design aesthetic of the last ~20 years.
This isn't an Imperial walker. It's a Gundam with a baby harness.
It's an exo-skeleton. Terminator armor is an exo-skeleton. Power armor is an exo skeleton. It's perfectly in line with how Space Marine exo-skeleton ARMOR is designed. Heck, even it's in game profile tells you it's not a vehicle like a Dread or Land Rider. Kan has a sever case of misplaced rage...
ph34r wrote:Not entirely sure. I think that one will be up for debate soon enough.
Well in the leaked codex it clearly says it rolls 4D6 for armour penetration. There isn't any generic rule that would all of a sudden add 3 to that number, is there? Correct me if I'm wrong of course. I have a very hard time believing that they buffed that 4D6 during playtesting for the final version, but we'll know this saturday the latest.
PAGK's - Look Good, overall. - I think the problem isn't with the heads. I think it's the collars around the head. Look at the new plastic models and look at the old metal ones. The collars on the chest-piece cover up a larger portion of the helmet on the metal ones. - Don't understand the weedy-legs complaint. They don't look any more weedy than the other marines. - The bolter clips looks silly. I'd replace them as soon as I got the models. - The Psycannon is just terrible...seriously, I don't know if it's the color, but it looks really bad. - What's with the Daemon heads? Was there a HUGE retcon about how Daemons die? Overall: 7/10 (-2 for bolter clips and psycannon. -1 for lack of a substantial collar.)
TAGK's - Look incredible! - Love the amount of bits you get. - The Apothecary bits are great. - I love the banner. - I am not fond of the two-sword look. - The little book/sword things on their backs are going to snap off VERY quickly. - Daemon heads...again. - Pyscannon...again. Overall: 9.5/10 (-.5 for the Psycannon.)
Draigo - The bare head looks derptastic. - Helmeted head is much better. - I love how ornate he is. - The shield is the sex. Overall: 9/10 (-1 for the bare head.)
Dreadknight - I don't get the big hydraulics on the shoulders. - The whole idea is a bit silly...a guy in an exosuit...strapped into another exosuit. But I guess we can work with it. - A bit too rounded and sleek for an Imperial vehicle. - The feet and the sleek look make it look way too Tau-ish. - The pose is too static. - Big psycannon looks much better. - Heavily salvageable, and with a little work, it could look good. - You should never use the unhelmeted head. It's just ridiculously obtuse. You're in Terminator armor and yet whatever you're fighting requires you to be in another, more substantially armored suit of armor. Are you really going to go through all the effort to better equip yourself if you're just going to leave your helmet off? C'mon... Overall: 7/10 (-4 for the negatives listed above. However, I'm going to bump it up a notch because, while it is derpy in it's current state, it has alot of potential if you put some work into it.)
Worst model GW ever put out? No. Is it pretty derpy? Yeah. Is it unsalvagable? By no means.
Balance wrote:Where's the grounds that Grey Knights replaces Witch Hunters?
Where's the grounds that it doesn't?
People never used Witchhunters outside of Melta/Flamer spam(from what I saw at least) anyways. Fielding a pure Sister force is fine--but let's knock this "But my Inquisitor neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds his Guardsmen!" crap out.
Down that road goes madness.
My SoB list had 1 platoon of attached Guardsmen... A small-ish platoon even (two squads and a command squad). I took them cheap lascannons, primarily, to give me a couple chances to shoot tanks at range before the bulk of the Sisters, which were on foot, got anywhere useful. And, yes, I had an Inquisitor, but I think i only fielded him once or twice...
But, yeah, my army sucks, i suck, everybody sucks.
His Master's Voice wrote:It's an exo-skeleton. Terminator armor is an exo-skeleton. Power armor is an exo skeleton. It's perfectly in line with how Space Marine exo-skeleton ARMOR is designed.
They're all versions of powered armor, yes, but that's what design aesthetic means.
Do you actually have to put the GK dude on the DK? I'm sure you could just leave him off it? A little bit of plasticard or some such to make a nice GK chestplate to cover any holes in the chest.
Mantle wrote:Don't know on my screen there's a curved line (think of it like an L and there's a cross over line between the vertical part and the horizontal so if it was a 6 it would be a 6 with a little tag coming of the hoop :S if that makes sense.
didnt see post above, that looks like a 4 to me
I see what you mean now, a 6 with a very small hoop haha sorry for the excitement guys :S
/facepalm
Why are you even mentioning things from the leak now that the real dex is in peoples hands, people want hard facts now that the dex is "out" not leaked scibble that could be years old...
On a side note regarding the Turbo Penetrator, the old max was a pen roll of 30 (3+3D6+3D3) if you rolled 6s on everything. The new one is 39 (3+4D6+4D3), would be funny if they added a rule that gave +1 to the pen roll for every 2-3 rolled over the vehicles armour
Well we all are sort of mentioning un-known facts yet, for all we know the leak could be someone trolling us all or GW taking a viral step on seeing our reactions, the leak could have been deliberate, both unlikely but I refuse to believe rules until the codex is in my hands. no one knows the sort of people could come out with who have claimed to have read the new dex just adding what I have seen so far until my dex arrives.
Now that i have a 3rd look at the DreadKnight it seems it will be well perceived by the young players. For some reason it looks like a gadget that the new GW target market will like (14 years and less). The good news is that we will see amazing talents out there converting the Dreaded DreadKnight. Im sure CMON will be full of entertaining pics and might be a lovely project for golden demon.
His Master's Voice wrote:It's an exo-skeleton. Terminator armor is an exo-skeleton. Power armor is an exo skeleton. It's perfectly in line with how Space Marine exo-skeleton ARMOR is designed.
They're all versions of powered armor, yes, but that's what design aesthetic means.
So what exactly is the problem? Outside of the baby harness thingy, of course...
Darth Bob wrote:Dreadknight - A bit too rounded and sleek for an Imperial vehicle.
Well, it's not a vehicle, it's an exosuit; basically a one-up to Terminator Armour. All the other GK armours aren't blocky and square are they?
- The whole idea is a bit silly...a guy in an exosuit...strapped into another exosuit. But I guess we can work with it.
- You should never use the unhelmeted head. It's just ridiculously obtuse. You're in Terminator armor and yet whatever you're fighting requires you to be in another, more substantially armored suit of armor. Are you really going to go through all the effort to better equip yourself if you're just going to leave your helmet off? C'mon...
The same could be said about the Mark IV Venerable Dreadnought, the entombed pilot is partially exposed as well. As for the unhelmeted heads, well that just a Warhammer 40k thing isn't it? At least the Dreadknight's pilot has the excuse that he's wrapped in a protective forcefield.
Codex $29
"I Must Break You" Draigo $22.25
3 Boxes of Paladins $150
Tons of magnets and resin bases $40
An entire summer of my Daemons vs. my Grey Sensei badasses.... priceless.
I'll be carrying both armies in my bag to ensure epic battles rather than mirror matches...
His Master's Voice wrote:So what exactly is the problem? Outside of the baby harness thingy, of course...
Sleek curves? Tall, spindly limbs? This thing would be perfect as a Tau battlesuit aside from the ******-up baby-harness design.
People may complain about the Imperial vehicle aesthetic for being too boxy, but nevertheless it's how they do stuff. This was shoehorned in, and anyone who approved it should be shot into the sun.
And to anyone who says "But bhsman, this is how they deal with Greater Daemons!" I say two things:
-Armageddon
-Secondly, by that logic the next Brettonian army book should have Giants. Not because it would be awesome, but because the poor knights are too small to fight the big evil dragons.
Manticore2009 wrote:Wow.
You see Im a fanboy. I get everything from GW. The amount of hoarding that i do is insane. People that know my websites and blogs know that Im an idiot when it comes down to Gw. I used to work for them and bought more that 35k$ CDN in 5 years....
But at these prices...its JUST SAY NO!!!!
Ebay will have them bitz available soon enough and thats it. GW went overboard this time with their pricing. On top of this, Dread Knight doesnt look 40k like and Terminators....
well the Terms looks like their....dancing????
The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!
for all you dreadknight haters out there... here's a pretty cool looking counts-as based on the dread body instead courtesy of a fellow dakkite. technically, it's a true scale dread but it looks tall enough (albeit maybe less bulky up top).
Automatically Appended Next Post: anyone know if anything is in the fast attack section besides the bunny-ear antenna GK and the storm raven?
Alphacerberus wrote:Im wondering how my daemons would fair xD probaly not good against anything in the new GK codex xD
does this mean that in a tournamwnt if you face GKs you should just pack up? or will there be benefits for daemons to "balance" it for tournaments
Pretty much. Judging by the scandex, with proper abuse of Warp Quake and the first turn, a GK player can make it so the Daemon player mishaps 100% of the time.
Scottywan82 wrote:Well, not just a knight titan, but specifically the hell-knight, or hell-lancer. Those smooth armored plates on the legs are freaking hard to sculpt!
come again? who in his right mind would sculpt those instead of bending heated plasticard into shape?
I figure it'll take me approximately a day to get one of these built as a knight titan (decently) from the hips on down. head and possibly arms will, of course, take some more time (but model kits are expensive and plasticard is dirt cheap so hey, I figure my hobby costs per hour actually go down, hehe)
Manticore2009 wrote:Wow.
You see Im a fanboy. I get everything from GW. The amount of hoarding that i do is insane. People that know my websites and blogs know that Im an idiot when it comes down to Gw. I used to work for them and bought more that 35k$ CDN in 5 years....
But at these prices...its JUST SAY NO!!!!
Ebay will have them bitz available soon enough and thats it. GW went overboard this time with their pricing. On top of this, Dread Knight doesnt look 40k like and Terminators....
well the Terms looks like their....dancing????
The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!
euh not in Canadian dollar it didnt, and 2nd, since GW started doing the ''lets break the 10 mini box to 5'' it did went up by charging more per model. Or by stopping to sell boxes alltogether and go for blisters.
Ouch, they look like they will be a pretty good face-lift for the GK good for them, I know quite a few people who are going to be VERY happy with the new models and changes.
Well, I got to look at the codex today. The black box arrived at my FLGS, hard to comment since I only got about 20min with it but I found my eyes popped on every page. We all knew the stat lines were going to be crazy, but it was all the little things. Basically name something another codex can do, and somewhere in the codex they can do it in one form or another. At least thats how it felt.
Pyriel- wrote:But comparing something that looks like a metal insect with oversized groin to a box on two tree stumps while claiming 20yo aesthetic establishment is ok?
And yet, in spite of those differences, they still have way more in common than with the Dreadknight.
The dreadknight isnt supposed to have anything in common with them since its roles are so different, duh!
This aint heresy online...
I'm a GK player myself but I would consider this army to be broken if ALL GK had power weapons.
S4 (5 part of the time if Ld is passed), WS4 and crappy attack numbers isnt that powerful. not while your minis cost more and can be shot down just as easy as cheaper marines.
I´d rather have the old WS5 S6 A2 knights with permanent shrouding back!
I know a codex that gets all power weapons, furious charge AND invulnerable saves for their basic troops. Are they broken?
Finally some sense.
Adding better initiative at 50-ish points per squad makes for a 10 marine squad at around 270p with only 8 being able to Cc anywhere near good and the squad goes down to fire just like the 170p tac next to them. A land raider is cheaper.
Hardly OP.
assassins are still pretty awesome btw
Dunno, heard the callidus cant charge on the turn she shows up, what´s the point to pop up, throw D6 hits and then get shot to pieces or assaulted?
Vindicare lost the stealth suit so 2-3 cheap missile wounds turn one and he´s a goner. Only good thing about him is if you get first turn and manage to pop a landraider or something, then he´s dead.
I wonder if those will be the final assassin rules since the leaked ones are almost worthless.
WS8 and under 150 points isn't good?
Not if it can only survive an average of 0.5 turns.
The one that gains power from psykers is extremely powerful, gate him in between 2 rhino's, he's now within range of at least 22 psykers
"Brotherhood of psychers" means that a GK squad counts as one psycher... as do squads of primaris psychers I assume.
It's an exo-skeleton. Terminator armor is an exo-skeleton. Power armor is an exo skeleton. It's perfectly in line with how Space Marine exo-skeleton ARMOR is designed. Heck, even it's in game profile tells you it's not a vehicle like a Dread or Land Rider. Kan has a sever case of misplaced rage...
As do people who try to compare it to a 20yo dreadnoughts design and tabletop role *sigh*
- You should never use the unhelmeted head. It's just ridiculously obtuse. You're in Terminator armor and yet whatever you're fighting requires you to be in another, more substantially armored suit of armor. Are you really going to go through all the effort to better equip yourself if you're just going to leave your helmet off? C'mon...
Like warbosses in mega armour you mean?
What about the penitent engine? (oh I dare you, use the force field excuse for that one)
Sleek curves? Tall, spindly limbs? This thing would be perfect as a Tau battlesuit aside from the fcuked-up baby-harness design.
People may complain about the Imperial vehicle aesthetic for being too boxy, but nevertheless it's how they do stuff. This was shoehorned in, and anyone who approved it should be shot into the sun.
Old tech was sleeker. At least according to the BL books.
Strangely enough tall and spindly limbs are super strong when used by eldar, I guess old and/or highly specialized (and I guess officially heretical) mars tech is better then the "flying bricks with rivets" things.
-Secondly, by that logic the next Brettonian army book should have Giants. Not because it would be awesome, but because the poor knights are too small to fight the big evil dragons.
Oh the empire has steamtanks and such to battle stronger foes, its kind of their version of a "hi tech" helping hand.
By your logic they should never have introduced rifles/muskets either since the good old stick and stone works so well already.
And to anyone who says "But bhsman, this is how they deal with Greater Daemons!" I say two things:
-Armageddon
Yes that is logical, lets keep throwing away 100ds of our insanely rare, extremely needed and hard to train brothers, why bother adding something far more efficient and life saving into our arsenals, how stupid of us when we can keep wiping out our companies.
Pyriel wrote:Yes that is logical, lets keep throwing away 100ds of our insanely rare, extremely needed and hard to train brothers, why bother adding something far more efficient and life saving into our arsenals, how stupid of us when we can keep wiping out our companies.
Because clearly, every Daemonic incursion that the Grey Knights will respond to is led by a Daemon Primarch, whose the right hand of one of the Ruinous Powers themselves.
Please. The only reason "hundreds of our insanely rare, extremely needed, and hard to train brothers" were needed was because of Angron.
Anything else would have just been another boring day at work for the Grey Knights.
ph34r wrote:The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!
I agree, everyone complaining about prices are whining unnecessarily. Draigo is the only one out of the whole lot that can be considered overpriced and even he makes a tough case as he is one of the best sculpts in recent memory.
PAGK Boxed Set - Same price as Death Company but with 20 PAGKs worth of bits as a single box can build any of four different units. They are beautifully sclupted and come with more variety and bits then any infantry boxed set in the 40K line for cheaper then 5 metal PAGKs cost. I understand that people planning on running loads of PAGK units can be frustrated about not having a way to get no-frills infantry on the cheap but claiming that the box is overpriced is just stupid. Also, here is a thought. If you want PAGK strike squads, sell off the generous amount of bits you get in each box to help afford the next one.
GKT Boxed Set - Ornate terminators with not just great sculpts but smarter design like the storm bolters unattached. Plus these guys can build the Paladins as well so you get all of the fancy bits to do that. Throw in a huge amount of weapon and extra bits and charge $50, the same cost as a basic vanilla Terminator Squad? These guys, and the Wolf Guard termie box for that matter make Vanilla Terminators seem overpriced. As a Vanilla player, I don't get so much cool and better designed stuff when I throw down $50 for five terminators. They are also cheaper then their previous metal box. Stop complaining about the GKT box.
Dreadknight - Aside from thoughts on how the thing looks, it is massive and only $10 more then a stunted Dreadnought. Regardless of how it looks when completely assembled, it does have fantastic detail and plenty of bits for its weapon options. Combine that with the supposed ball-socket poseabiliy in the joints and its a pretty impressive kit at $53.
All 40k stuff is overpriced but in the context of 40K models, the new Grey Knights could actually be considered under-priced if you actually stop and consider what you get with each kit. GW has upped its sculpts and is now providing kits that are designed to be modular and to make working on them easy. The Venerable Dreadnought has the neat interchangeable weapons, Dark Eldar Ravagers have pressure fit turrets, and Grey Knights have ball-socket joints on their walker and infantry designed to be easy to convert. With these Grey Knights you get all of this on top of tons of quality bits and a price reduction over past offerings and you guys still want to complain? Really?
I get that GW is the evil empire in wargaming and that they overcharge for a lot of stuff ($12 for a can of poor quality spray paint?) but they do all of the right things with these Grey Knights and you guys can't switch from "hate" to "praise?"
theduncan wrote:Anyhow, now my BA need a grey paint job and nemesis force chainswords with hand-held single barreled stormbolters.
Or you could stay with your codex, you know that one that came out last year that is one of the best in the whole game? Sometimes I feel oddly unique with my Vanilla Codex Shrike list what with all of the absurd codex hopping going on.
I really like the infantry sculpts. My thoughts on the dreadknight are that I want to see one without it's pilot so I could look into a more appropriate armoured fascia to it.
Kanluwen wrote:Because clearly, every Daemonic incursion that the Grey Knights will respond to is led by a Daemon Primarch, whose the right hand of one of the Ruinous Powers themselves.
Please. The only reason "hundreds of our insanely rare, extremely needed, and hard to train brothers" were needed was because of Angron.
Anything else would have just been another boring day at work for the Grey Knights.
Except now it'll probably be rewritten to 300 Grey Knights and a dozen Dreadknights, a pair of which defeated Angron by shoving him while the other kneeled down behind him.
And to think, the 1st War used to be one of my favorite bits of fluff. :(
I am not sure if anyone has said this, but I think the dreadknight will look better when converters are able get the legs in an action pose as opposed to standing up straight.
ph34r wrote:The prices went down! How can everyone be so dense!?!
euh not in Canadian dollar it didnt, and 2nd, since GW started doing the ''lets break the 10 mini box to 5'' it did went up by charging more per model. Or by stopping to sell boxes alltogether and go for blisters.
who you calling dense
Yeah, maybe it went from $25 to $33 for 5 models...
But now you don't pay extra for special weapons. Special weapons were ridiculously expensive.
Now you get 4 special weapons per box. And weapons options for each guy. And a plethora of other options.
Unless your entire army was power armored GK with no options, prices went down.
Prices went down for terminator GK no matter how you look at it.
Go to bed. Wake up. 14 new pages of dreadknight hate with smatterings of wtf for the plastic troops.
It's the stormraven all over again.
And then hearing people say they're going to jump on the PP bandwagon. okay. I respect the game and like some of the miniatures.... but a lot of them are far from pretty. Ditching out on warhammer because you "don't like the models" and going to PP (whose model quality is IMO not as high) is ridiculous. I could understand it from a rules standpoint though.
I'm ashamed of you guys... What is it about the internet that makes it so easy for you to hate everything?
I'll stick with the "official" version, thanks. If you cut it down to the size of a Dreadnought then it fills no unique niche, may as well just stick with Dreadnoughts. The whole point was to add a cool new, larger than ever before kit to the model range and GW did that. I already ordered one Dreadknight and a few troop boxes today.
Black Box already arrived today in at least one of my local GW stores. I had a good look at the Terminator and Dreadknight sprues and the Codex today as well at my local GW store. All very impressive. The Codex is full of cool new stuff and the fine detail, especially the engraved text on the plastic models is nothing short of amazing. Really need to see the stuff up close to appreciate it.
This is the Black Box complete with Grey Knight Terminators, Dreadknight and Codex. They'll be in your local Hobby Centre by the weekend so make sure you're there to drool over them (bring your own tissues). In all seriousness, you really should check out the Codex to see just how many variations there are for this army.
I'm still looking through all of the bitz in the terminator kit and wishing I could paint.
That is easily the best kit I've seen so far (feel free to prove me wrong, by the way, I love seeing amazing kits).
EDIT: (Just thought I'd add to the current Dreadknight discussion) I've thought since the first blurry pictures came out that the NDK should be bulkier. It doesn't fit in the IOM to have nimble, lithe structure, not that it's that graceful anyways. I wouldn't really want a bigger dreadnought, but it's clearly missing some body structure, so maybe some creative modellers will add that much needed bulk to give it the look that we've grown accustomed to, preferably around the operator. It's silly how exposed he is there, it doesn't make any sense from any perspective, except for maybe getting the feth out of that awful contraption as quick as possible.
ph34r wrote:The only Daemonhunters players that should be mad are daemonhunters players that used only inducted guard.
The good news is, they made a codex for inducted guard. It's called Codex: Imperial Guard.
Oh right, there's no way a Grey Knights player would be upset at:
-Losing WS5, True Grit or an equivalent, and being made Ld8 and losing Fearless for ATSKNF - all the while being told that Grey Knights are as above normal Astartes as an Astartes is to a man
-Being composed entirely of Mary Sues like Thawn and the Chapter Master who's never there but doubled as a Warp Entity (for no reason other than Ward's own whimsy, looking at his model), Draigo, who makes the Emperor weep with inadequacy
-Warrior Acoyltes being BS3 to represent the elite Inquisitorial Stormtroopers
-The stupid Dreadknight; not only being added to the fluff, but it also took a spot away from plastic Stormtroopers, Penitent Engines, Grey Knight Dreadnoughts, Henchmen, Daemonhosts, Inquisitors, etc.
-A Grey Knight character being allowed to join a unit of Daemonhosts (who are essentially toothless)
-Eversors losing Bio-Meltdown and Infiltrate
-Culuxes losing the Pariah aura and the ability to single out Psykers in CC
-Assassins only being given a 6+ FNP aside from their unchanged 4+ Dodge save
-Crowe, who unlocks Purifers - the most faithful representation of the old PAGK - as troops, is not an Independent Character for whatever reason
-Being reduced to only 1,000 Grey Knights and essentially being made Silver Ultramarines in terms of organization
-Any other dumb retcons Ward will arbitrarily make in the process of rewriting the fluff of the first army I ever played
-All of this happening exactly one year after he ruined Blood Angels for me
...but no, you're right, I haven't got a reason to be upset.
Mukkin'About wrote:I'm ashamed of you guys... What is it about the internet that makes it so easy for you to hate everything?
Being (former) Daemonhunters players, mostly. :(
How about the Daemon players? Is it really true that the old 'Daemonic Infestation' rule is gone with no equivalent replacement?
I'm fine with the GK being really good at killing daemons. I get it. It's what they do. That's cool. But before, it was a simple case of saying, "I know you're going to kill my troops easily, but you're going to have to kill a lot of them."
I'm trying to remain open-minded and not fall into the usual new codex sky-is-falling trap, but this just seems bad. The GW blog today is like a full page going on about how daemons are going to be stomped. Maybe it's just me, but normal space marines don't need a Dreadknight to kill my Daemon Princes. A bunch of bolters and a couple melta guns seem to work just fine.
This is something I dont understand. In place of these 2 extra storm bolters they could have added one more Halberd. I understand the thinking of well you will have 3 guys with halberds one with an incenerator and the sarge with the staff or swords but 2 more stormbolters than you need or can use, to me seems a bit of not thinking ahead or corectly or something.
Also, do the Interceptor squads move as regular infiantry or jump infantry?
So they get the special one time 30" move and then have to foot slog the rest of the game? Or will they get to mini teleport 12 inches in all movement phases?
Has anyone considered the deamon codex special rules for ignoring the effects of nemisis force weapons? Deamons arent going to be SOL on this codex methinks...
Mukkin'About wrote:I'm ashamed of you guys... What is it about the internet that makes it so easy for you to hate everything?
Being (former) Daemonhunters players, mostly. :(
How about the Daemon players? Is it really true that the old 'Daemonic Infestation' rule is gone with no equivalent replacement?
I'm fine with the GK being really good at killing daemons. I get it. It's what they do. That's cool. But before, it was a simple case of saying, "I know you're going to kill my troops easily, but you're going to have to kill a lot of them."
I'm trying to remain open-minded and not fall into the usual new codex sky-is-falling trap, but this just seems bad. The GW blog today is like a full page going on about how daemons are going to be stomped. Maybe it's just me, but normal space marines don't need a Dreadknight to kill my Daemon Princes. A bunch of bolters and a couple melta guns seem to work just fine.
- H8
In all honesty, as someone who plans to start Grey Knights one of the biggest worries I'd have is facing against Daemons of Khorne. Plentiful power weapons and access to S8 AP3 large blasts in the form of the Soul Grinder, not to mention Collars giving a 2++ against all those Force Weapon wounds.
Even against a unit of Grey Knights with Halberds, a charging unit of Bloodletters will not only outnumber them but also be hitting/wounding on 3's and ignoring saves outright while keeping their 5+. I actually plan to start Khornate Daemons alongside my GK to have a 1st War theme going; if I buy/am gifted with any Dreadknights they'll form some nice basing material for my Bloodthirsters.
2. As for the models, the whole is less than the sum of the parts. But many of the parts are quite good.
3. The TAGK are the best. I don't love the poses, but the details are great, and some of the bits look stellar.
4. Dual wielding falchions in TA seems dumb. The TA silhouette is about power and weight. Dual wielding tends to reflect speed and grace. Does not work visually.
5. PAGK are the opposite. Good poses, but the wrist mounts look awful. Truly awful. Like some of the bits, though.
DK tomorrow, like anyone cares about some random opinion on page 35.
Mukkin'About wrote:I'm ashamed of you guys... What is it about the internet that makes it so easy for you to hate everything?
Being (former) Daemonhunters players, mostly. :(
How about the Daemon players? Is it really true that the old 'Daemonic Infestation' rule is gone with no equivalent replacement?
I'm fine with the GK being really good at killing daemons. I get it. It's what they do. That's cool. But before, it was a simple case of saying, "I know you're going to kill my troops easily, but you're going to have to kill a lot of them."
I'm trying to remain open-minded and not fall into the usual new codex sky-is-falling trap, but this just seems bad. The GW blog today is like a full page going on about how daemons are going to be stomped. Maybe it's just me, but normal space marines don't need a Dreadknight to kill my Daemon Princes. A bunch of bolters and a couple melta guns seem to work just fine.
- H8
I am a DH and Daemons player. In the leak, I saw nothing of the special rules for Daemons...which just means that we're going to get stomped by Grey Knights for awhile, until we figure out how to beat them. It's doable, and will be done.
ph34r wrote:It's a stupid name, sure. One of the stupidest. Doesn't really effect much though.
Gattling Psilencer.
Psilencer sounds cool.
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Nicorex wrote:This is something I dont understand. In place of these 2 extra storm bolters they could have added one more Halberd. I understand the thinking of well you will have 3 guys with halberds one with an incenerator and the sarge with the staff or swords but 2 more stormbolters than you need or can use, to me seems a bit of not thinking ahead or corectly or something.
Also, do the Interceptor squads move as regular infiantry or jump infantry?
Sprues don't work quite that way. You can't always fit a big long halberd, sometimes you can just fit two small storm bolter arms. I think the two combined are smaller than a halberd anyway.
Kirasu wrote:Demons do have special rules.. They have invulnerable saves and eternal warrior
Demon hunters are horrible at hunting demons imo.. much better at everything except demons
If you've read the 3e Daemonhunters Codex, you'll remember that special rules were given to Daemons when fighting Daemonhunters (specific units were given "Without Number").
I'm so glad the Dreadknight looks nothing like Yet Another Dreadnought and nothing like a "I'm not really a converted Sentinel, honestly" Penitent Engine.
Yes, it looks odd, but no more than a certain recent flying marine vehicle - and this thread has already thrown up numerous easy conversion improvements. I'm expecting to see some _brilliant_ models converted from it.
And it has amazing potential for conversion for other armies too, in particular looted versions for Orks and corrupted versions for Chaos.
Kanluwen wrote:Don't forget the TAGK box includes parts for an Apothecary.
Soon to be seen on Battlewagon for a mere $14.99!
I think you're giving them far too much credit when, if I'm remembering right, they were the originator of the $24 Power Armor apothecary bits (now down to $17).
H.B.M.C. wrote:bhsman - You and the Kan h8ting on GK's, and I'm the one being positive. Weird huh? See what Matt Ward does to people! He must be stopped!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I'm loving the infantry models, it's the Dreadknight that's complete crock.
I like the infantry as well, but MeanGreenStompa nailed what's 'off' about the PAGK - the collars are too big. That's the one downside to those models (outside of their jumbo-sized novelty Storm Bolters).
And the downside to that kit is 7 Storm Bolters (why?), the fact that the 5th sword on the sprue is always going to be sticking through a Plaguebearer's head, and only 3 Halberds. AHHH!!!
Kaldor Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights and a warrior beyond reckoning. As a lowly Battle-Brother he banished the Daemon Prince M'kar the Reborn and he has risen steadily through the ranks to become the Grand Master of the most secretive Chapter of Space Marines. Yet ever since his battle with M'kar, Draigo has been cursed to a life within the Warp, doomed to walk within the Realm of Chaos. To remain pure when constantly assailed by Chaos shows such fortitude and personal strength that it is beyond measure. But while Draigo lives, he will prevail and one day, he will return.
So he banishes a Daemon Prince, and gets stuck in the warp. While stuck in the warp, he rises through the ranks to be the chapters Grand Master. So like... they just have no Grand Master in real space at all?
TalonZahn wrote:From Loki in the Penny Arcade WH40K thread:
Haha, contradictory fluff in the same paragraph.
Kaldor Draigo is the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights and a warrior beyond reckoning. As a lowly Battle-Brother he banished the Daemon Prince M'kar the Reborn and he has risen steadily through the ranks to become the Grand Master of the most secretive Chapter of Space Marines. Yet ever since his battle with M'kar, Draigo has been cursed to a life within the Warp, doomed to walk within the Realm of Chaos. To remain pure when constantly assailed by Chaos shows such fortitude and personal strength that it is beyond measure. But while Draigo lives, he will prevail and one day, he will return.
So he banishes a Daemon Prince, and gets stuck in the warp. While stuck in the warp, he rises through the ranks to be the chapters Grand Master. So like... they just have no Grand Master in real space at all?
It made me laugh.
Bless Mat Ward, fine purveyor of fluff.
unfortunately for all the haters in this thread, it's not ward's fault. the leaked codex talks about two separate fights over a century apart and is internally consistent for the few details we have. the crappy description above is from the webstore entry for draigo and is written by joe no-name, assistant to the vice-nobody of web programming.
I am a little taken aback at how these look just like the old models. Guess I don't need to buy any. Also, in my unabashedly vain oppinion, my conversions look just as good.
GruesomeTwosome wrote:I am a little taken aback at how these look just like the old models. Guess I don't need to buy any. Also, in my unabashedly vain oppinion, my conversions look just as good.
Everyone else is ecstatic about how much they look like the old ones. And sorry to rain on your parade, but your conversions do not look as good. A good attempt at conversion, sure, which could use some smoothing out and detail, but even if you brought your conversion to its maximum potential you would still be behind...
GruesomeTwosome wrote:I am a little taken aback at how these look just like the old models. Guess I don't need to buy any. Also, in my unabashedly vain oppinion, my conversions look just as good.
Everyone else is ecstatic about how much they look like the old ones. And sorry to rain on your parade, but your conversions do not look as good. A good attempt at conversion, sure, which could use some smoothing out and detail, but even if you brought your conversion to its maximum potential you would still be behind...
Wow is somebody cranky because he stayed up past his bedtime to see new grey knights come out?
I think the poses on his custom grey knights are as cool or cooler than the action poses of the current grey knight release. Talk about dynamic posing.
Speaking of posing... why havent people photoshopped the dreadknight in some interesting poses already!!?
I have to agree with many people here, I'm less than impressed by the Dreadknight. The storm raven and now the dreadknight both feel like they were forced into the SM lineups without really considering how they fit in. The SMs have a bluky, industrial feel to their vehicles. The Storm raven is close, but feels too much like a forced, paired down thunderhawk than a proper vehicle. The dreadknight just come from no where. Massive exposed pistons, exposed terminator odd design. While the Grey Knights do lean more towards elegance than most Imperial factions, this fails to fit in either spot of tough elegance or tough industrial. I want to like it, I really do, but I can't help but feel that the last two additions to Space Marines of any flavor give any other impression than forced appeal. They're trying too hard to be liked by rules, or random over-the-topness.
GruesomeTwosome wrote:I am a little taken aback at how these look just like the old models. Guess I don't need to buy any. Also, in my unabashedly vain oppinion, my conversions look just as good.
Everyone else is ecstatic about how much they look like the old ones. And sorry to rain on your parade, but your conversions do not look as good. A good attempt at conversion, sure, which could use some smoothing out and detail, but even if you brought your conversion to its maximum potential you would still be behind...
Agreed. I really like the work you did with the poses. Try grey stuff from Gale Force 9. Gives you some much smoother and sharper edges.
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The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I think it should look like this...
Shorter legs, more "gorila suit", with some more flags, scrolls and stuff...
I like that much better. The long legs on a Dreadnought just looks off.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok... so... from the top. My thoughts. Good/Bad/Ugly.
Power Armour Grey Knights
I'm making the assumption that the guys in full Silver are the Strike Squad members (and by extension the Purgation Squad as well), and that the white-helmeted GK's are the Purifiers. The dudes with the Sci-Fi Radios are the Interceptor Squads, obviously.
The Good:
Great kit. Love the options.
Glad to see the Falchions.
Details are good and they don't differ too much from the current models.
White helmets make the Purifiers look fething awesome.
Psilencer looks pretty cool, and I'm glad I know what it looks like finally.
The Incinerator looks cool.
I like the Teleport Backpacks. They're pretty nifty.
Lots of bits. Very nice.
The Nemesis Deamonhammer is wicked!
Two Psycannons per box is a nice touch, but it's also sad because...
The Bad:
... the new Psycannon looks like ass. Terrible redesign, doesn't look nearly as chunky, and the ammo box is goofy.
Two Halberds per box? Are you kidding me? Unless they're suddenly limited to two per squad (which is gonna piss a LOT of existing players off) then that's just criminal.
There's something that's... 'off' about their heads. I think it's the paint job though rather than anything technical.
Only 7 heads. That's kinda pathetic.
Why are they carrying daemon heads? How does that even make sense?
The Ugly:
The paint job and posing on some makes them look out of proportion and far too cartoony.
The eyes don't help either - and that's probably what's making their heads look 'off'.
The magazines on the Storm Bolters. They look ridiculous. Great big exaggerated over-sized clips sticking out the side is by far the worst design decision about this entire kit. They're horrible!
Grey Knight Terminators:
The Good:
Really love these guys!
Loads of great weapons options!
Falchions for the whole unit.
Halberds for the whole unit.
A really great looking Daemonhammer.
The Warding Stave is nice... if a little Eisenhorn-y...
The Apothecary bits are great, and will be found in other armies that can still take Apothecary Termies, like Deathwing (I think)
The Squad leader is great.
The Incinerator and Psilencer both look beefy!
The banner is cool.
Termies don't looks stupid with two swords, which I was afraid of.
Bits galore!
As I said, love this kit
The Bad:
Psycannon looks better here, but still terrible. Don't know why they redesigned it that way. It looks really stupid.
Again with the holding Daemon-heads? What gives?
The Storm Bolter magazines look better here. Not 100% on board with the concept, but whatever. They're not super-sized like the PAGK, so it's mostly ok.
I really can't tell what's meant to be a Paladin and what's not... they're not distinct enough in my mind.
The Ugly:
Again, the heads. Someone made the comment that they looked like someone had made heads out of regular Termy heads, and they're right. They've got big chunky face grills/cheeks and it really stands out compared to the other ones. That said, I actually think it makes them look more aggressive. It's ugly, but it's good ugly!
The banner says 'Nemesis'. Yeah, we get it, Nemesis in this book is like Blood in the Blood Angel book. Enough already!
Draigo:
The Good:
He looks great. Wonderful detail. Very impressed.
With his helmet he looks amazing.
The Bad:
Without his helmet he doesn't look so hot.
The Ugly:
His fluff. Someone take Ward's computer away now!!!
And finally... *sigh*
Nemesis Dreadknight:
The Good:
Umm...
Uhh...
Well...
Err...
This is hard man!
Ok, that sword is just boss. I love the sword. I'm totally down with the whole 'sword' thing. Yeah.
What else... what else...Oh! The Heavy Psycannon and the Gatling Psilencer and especially the Heavy Incinerator, they're really great!
And... uhh...
There's gotto be something...
the pilot looks better with the helmet... but better in the same way that hammering one nail through your hand is better than hammering two nails through your hand, so maybe that shouldn't be under 'good'.
The Bad:
It's too tall.
It's too spindy.
The legs looks stupid.
The wording on the legs is daft.
The pilot looks absurd, just hangin' there like an idiot.
The big hydraulic crane/arm thingies look stupid.
Look at how the heavy weapons are positioned... how the feth does it punch when the barrels of its guns stick out in front of its much-vaunted Doomfists?
Why is he wearing Terminator armour?
If you stare out it and tune out the pilot it looks like a headless mascot for an auto-repair company or something you'd see in a Pixar film.
It's not Chibi-Hawk bad, that's for sure, but it's bad.
This isn't good folks.
They should know better by now.
Still, all that said, I believe this model salvageable.
How, I'm not sure, but I'm sure that something can be done.
It's mostly the legs though.
The Ugly:
That, sir, is not a 'Nemesis DOOMFist'. That's a Nemesis Piece-of-Gak. They're not Dreadnought Close Combat weapons. There's nothing DOOM-like about them.
Pathetic.
The Daemonhammer is really weedy. After the awesome might of the Nemesis Great Sword (and it lives up to that name), the Hammer is a serious disppointment - it just looks like a regular Marine Thunder Hammer. Boring!
The non-helmeted head. Why????
Overall Impressions:
The Power Armour Grey Knights are a 6/10. The sculpts are fine, their paintjob on the Strike Squad makes them look worse than they are, and the lack of Halberds for the whole unit is a major oversight. It would be 9/10 but the stupid new Psycannon causes it to lose a point and the jumbo-sized Storm Bolter magazines knock two points off. They're awful.
The Grey Knight Terminators are a 9/10. They are certainly different from the existing metal ones, but not too different. I like the chunkier heads to be honest.
Everything about Draigo (the model) is awesome. Everything about Draigo (the character) is ball-tearingly stupid.
The Dreadknight... I dunno... if you can do more than just have it stand there looking all gaunt and stupid, then maybe it can be saved. If not, then it's another terrible waste of a slot on the yearly plastic frame quota.
Conclusion:
I feel another Chamber Militant coming on, and this time one that actually has rules!
ph34r wrote:Draigo on the other hand is a huge win.
I know. Doesn't his pose just scream "I'll carve my name into your heart... and then single-handedly defeat all of Chaos!"
Like you're breakdown.
Also, I agree. The storm bolter clips look terrible. That will be the first thing to get customized.
On the plus side you have a ton of bitz to choose from.
Because clearly, every Daemonic incursion that the Grey Knights will respond to is led by a Daemon Primarch, whose the right hand of one of the Ruinous Powers themselves.
Please. The only reason "hundreds of our insanely rare, extremely needed, and hard to train brothers" were needed was because of Angron.
Anything else would have just been another boring day at work for the Grey Knights.
Nice logic, a marine is better then a dreadknight Cc-ing deamons only when they are led by angron. Please try harder, I know that you hate the thing but at least try some logical arguments other then yelling "armagheddon" and having that somehow excuse anything ridiculous.
Except now it'll probably be rewritten to 300 Grey Knights and a dozen Dreadknights, a pair of which defeated Angron by shoving him while the other kneeled down behind him.
And to think, the 1st War used to be one of my favorite bits of fluff. :(
Lets hope they dont, that would be a tad to extreme even for GW.
Yeah, maybe it went from $25 to $33 for 5 models...
But now you don't pay extra for special weapons. Special weapons were ridiculously expensive.
Now you get 4 special weapons per box. And weapons options for each guy. And a plethora of other options.
That´s true, although getting 22 boxes will still cost a ton:(
I think most of those are really stretching it. Some of them bum me out too, but I'm not going to let them ruin it for me.
The biggest issues I see are the fluff changes, the loss of BS4 stormtroopers (but the other henchmen changes outweigh this by far in my eyes)
Most of the other ones I don't really care about.
+1
But hey, why dont we start moaning and whining as if GW all of a sudden would have released female space marines, a peaceful clan of orks and a nice cabal of dark eldar.
Talk about over exaggerating things for the sake of whining. Yeah some things sting but other things were added and made better.
Overall from being an unplayable pile of UP dung its made into a playable, even competitive in some forms and extremely varied codex but boo hoo, we lost WS5 and stormtroopers, the world is ending etc.
Nemesis Doomfists.
So is:
*insert-really-cool-word* + blade
ok for IG superheavy tanks?
40k is crawling with cheesy, over the top names, get over it.
Oh, I'm loving the infantry models, it's the Dreadknight that's complete crock.
And the ws5...and the...and the...etc
Keep raging, its amusing.
I like the Dreadknight a lot more than I like the PAGK. The PAGK are quite bad in my opinion, but that's a matter of taste I guess. I want tabards on everyone and those helmets simply don't do it for me. The guns look somehow weird as well.
I like that much better. The long legs on a Dreadnought just looks off.
That's amusing. Seriously, ROFL. If GW ever released something as please don't use this word in this way on Dakka as the 'Ork Dreadknight' or the no-legs Dreadknight posted in this thread I would just drop dead in disbelief. The general quality of models is doing nothing else than going up release after release, but if there's really people out there who can keep a straight face and claim the "couldn't take one step without falling" Dreadnought or "the Space Marine has to be the size of a halfling if he can actually fit inside that power/terminator armour" aesthetics are somehow awesome and that the no-leg Dreadknight variant is better than the official model, I finally understand why there's so much hate on perfectly good or even great models. I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malformed retards who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.
...and now, for some more hilarity, lets take some Charlie Sheen quotes from the past couple of weeks and substitute Grey Knights elements into them.....
"I am on a drug. It's called Kaldor Draigo. It's not available. If you try it once, you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body."-Grand Master Kaldor Draigo
"I probably took on more daemons than anybody could survive. ... I was bangin' seven-gram rocks and wasting Bloodthirsters because that's how I roll, because I have one speed, one gear. ... I'm different. I have a different constitution, I have a different brain, I have a different heart. I got tiger blood, man. Dying's for fools, dying's for amateurs."-Justicar Anvil Thawn
On a Grey Knights daily life: "It's perfect. It's awesome. Every day is just filled with just wins. All we do is put wins in the record books. We win so radically in our underwear before our first cup of stimfluid, it's scary. People say it's lonely at the top, but I sure like the view."-Castellen Garren Crowe
"I have a 10,000-year-old brain and the boogers of a 7-year-old. That's how I describe myself."-Failed initiate...now servitor
On how Grey Knights avoid the temptation of Chaos: "I just don't do it. I will not believe that if I do something then I have to follow a certain path because it was written for normal people. People who aren't special. People who don't have tiger blood and Adonis DNA."-Grand Master Mordrak
On how the Grey Knights feel when they consider their old Codex against the new: "I'm tired of pretending I'm not a total bitchin' rock star from Titan, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain."-Every Grey Knight from now on
The Dreadknight just seems completely pulled out of GW's ass. The GK use it exclusively for some reason, it looks totally unrelated to any other Imperial war machine, and the legs look a bit goofy. Same with the runes which are just single words instead of sprawling areas of wards.
Therion wrote:I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malform, who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.
Or... they're just aliens... who aren't humans... and are therefore different in structure... which is completely legitimate given that they are made up and not real (and thefore not 'malformed [Mod Edit - Seriously, why is everyone going nuts with this word lately?]')... and therefore and everything you just said is both nonsensical and irrelevant to the topic at hand.
What's worse? People raising complaints (legitimate or otherwise) about the new models, or those raging about the people raging about the models? Don't answer that though Therion, because it's rhetorical (and obvious).
Dreadknight. Its like, a Greyknight made sweet love to a Wraithlord and a Tau battle suit then the children of those 2 had a baby together then that baby got made sweet love to by a greyknight then this would be the creation. After a long time of cleansing and purifying.
That seems pretty easily doable, at least for the terminators where the storm bolter is separate. Just leave it off and cut down a normal bolter for the halberd.
Does anyone else wish they release a Paladin/Ghost Knight plastic set in another wave?
(I know they won't but still; i also find it hard to tell what is a paladin part vs regular). Grey knights are already ornate; i figure paladins should be like glowing; more like a D&D Paladin or Cleric @ 20-30th level hehe
Maybe armour that has scripture ALL over it or something?
ph34r wrote:The Dreadknight just seems completely pulled out of GW's ass. The GK use it exclusively for some reason, it looks totally unrelated to any other Imperial war machine, and the legs look a bit goofy. Same with the runes which are just single words instead of sprawling areas of wards.
Yep, it just doesn't look anything like the aesthetic of the imperium as seen before. If I didn't know better, I would think someone fielding this had converted it from another game system. It doesn't seem identify with 40K to me anyway. It just looks like they cooked up a model and crammed it into the army primarily as an excuse to have a kewl looking figure to sell and putting other considerations like aesthetics and fluff to one side meaning it sticks out like a sore thumb looking odd.
The other Grey Knight stuff is ok, but hellish expensive. Non-vanilla Plastic Marines are basically £4 a pop now; Grey Knights, Sanguinary Guard, Death Company, etc. Plastic Terminators are nearly £6 each.
StarFyre wrote:Does anyone else wish they release a Paladin/Ghost Knight plastic set in another wave?
This kit is the Paladin kit. And if you want ghost knights... paint 'em white.
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Scottywan82 wrote:Though I do really miss the whole "Stargate" look of having them on the halberd hafts.
The old Bolter-Halberd things were quite cool (my Terminator Inquisitor has one), but as Stargate proved such a weapon is useless in real combat.
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ph34r wrote:That seems pretty easily doable, at least for the terminators where the storm bolter is separate. Just leave it off and cut down a normal bolter for the halberd.
Or find alternate magazines - from spare Bolters, even spare Storm Bolters. Most things will be smaller than those jumbo-banana clips, so it shouldn't be hard.
I liked the old bolter-halberds, regardless of how inefficient the design is. Hell, efficiency is never a concern in 40k, if we're honest, especially not for Grey Knights.
The more I look at the Derpknight, the more I'm OK with it. Still gonna see how it looks sans babymarine though.
Therion wrote:I like the Dreadknight a lot more than I like the PAGK. The PAGK are quite bad in my opinion, but that's a matter of taste I guess. I want tabards on everyone and those helmets simply don't do it for me. The guns look somehow weird as well.
I like that much better. The long legs on a Dreadnought just looks off.
That's amusing. Seriously, ROFL. If GW ever released something as slowed as the 'Ork Dreadknight' or the no-legs Dreadknight posted in this thread I would just drop dead in disbelief. The general quality of models is doing nothing else than going up release after release, but if there's really people out there who can keep a straight face and claim the "couldn't take one step without falling" Dreadnought or "the Space Marine has to be the size of a halfling if he can actually fit inside that power/terminator armour" aesthetics are somehow awesome and that the no-leg Dreadknight variant is better than the official model, I finally understand why there's so much hate on perfectly good or even great models. I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malformed retards who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.
+1
I lol:led
Or... they're just aliens... who aren't humans... and are therefore different in structure... which is completely legitimate given that they are made up and not real (and thefore not 'malformed retards')... and therefore and everything you just said is both nonsensical and irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Hot damn, and here I thought the dreadknight was made up and not real as well. Now that I know its for real then I can finally understand everything said and criticized about it is fully relevant.
lol
Now I also realized what has been bogging me so much with all the new minis, the text ornaments everywhere being cheesy english one-liners like "doom" and "faith" etc.
How hard would it be to use latin things instead for a bit of an archaic and 40k-ish gothic feeling.
Instead all I see when I look at the new terminators are guys wearing cheesy death/doom/nemesis/fist/faith - suits.
Damn that´s going to be hard to over come.
Therion wrote:
That's amusing. Seriously, ROFL. If GW ever released something as slowed as the 'Ork Dreadknight' or the no-legs Dreadknight posted in this thread I would just drop dead in disbelief. The general quality of models is doing nothing else than going up release after release, but if there's really people out there who can keep a straight face and claim the "couldn't take one step without falling" Dreadnought or "the Space Marine has to be the size of a halfling if he can actually fit inside that power/terminator armour" aesthetics are somehow awesome and that the no-leg Dreadknight variant is better than the official model, I finally understand why there's so much hate on perfectly good or even great models. I wonder how many of those people actually like Orks, which in essence depict malformed retards who have a massively oversized head sprouting out of their chest, a severe skin disorder, atrophied legs, and a speech impediment and who take steroids all day long.
You are hating on an aspect of the game that has been here for years? Also, you really think someone isn't going to be offended by your that speech and the use of a few descriptive words in that post? You need to get over it. People like orks and they like looting. Heck probably the main reason why they do it is to piss people like you off.
All in all the overall release is a bit meh to me. I just cant get passed the whole "another marine based army" albeit with some tricked out rules and a crazy bipedal monstrosity.
From what people are saying they will be able to have several viable builds which a good thing but its more of the same I feel, GW are falling badly into a set routine with marine releases: marines and then add some tricks, thinking outside the box a little more surely wouldnt hurt.
I wonder if I'll like the Dreadknight more if I assemble the legs retrograde, like bird legs or those on the Madcat or Catapult Battlemech, as opposed to the current simian design.
Looking at the sprue, it should be possible to simply turn the thigh and shin bits around backwards, and armor should cover up any inconsistencies.
That'd drop the overall profile quite a bit, and cut down some on the spindly aesthetic.
It would also open up the front of the mech more, allowing easier modification of the cockpit area to cover over the 'baby carrier' look.
My local GW store got the black box yesterday. Flipped through the codex. Looked great. Only came with Deradknight and either a couple terminators or PAGK, couldn't tell. The codex shows a big range of new models.
for anyone with access to the preview codex... does the brotherhood banner replace a weapon or is it taken in addition to the normal weapons like with other command squads? also, did the dreadknight point cost change from the previous rumors with the now reported downgrade to s6/t6? can it still get the teleporter jump infantry upgrade?
I pretty much like everything I've seen from this new release. Seriously, to the point that I'm thinking of starting up a GK army.
I even like the Dreadknight. Incidentally, whilst people are photoshopping pics of it, perhaps someone could oblige me by shopping dreadlocks onto the dreadknight? Anyone?
Only came with Deradknight and either a couple terminators or PAGK, couldn't tell. The codex shows a big range of new models.
It comes with one Terminator sprue and one Dreadknight sprue plus the Codex.
As I posted yesterday:
Black Box already arrived today in at least one of my local GW stores. I had a good look at the Terminator and Dreadknight sprues and the Codex today as well at my local GW store. All very impressive. The Codex is full of cool new stuff and the fine detail, especially the engraved text on the plastic models is nothing short of amazing. Really need to see the stuff up close to appreciate it.
This is the Black Box complete with Grey Knight Terminators, Dreadknight and Codex. They'll be in your local Hobby Centre by the weekend so make sure you're there to drool over them (bring your own tissues). In all seriousness, you really should check out the Codex to see just how many variations there are for this army.
Brass, which GW are you going to? I remember you from the MD battle bunker thread, meaning that whereever you went to peak at that black box is near me as well.
I'd love to take a jaunt over after work and read it a bit myself...
Hey guys, quick question for anyone who's gotten a look at the new codex.
Can the new PAGK/TAGK take drop pods?
Edit: Can anyone also inform me of the squad sizes for the PAGK? 33 bucks for 5 marines may seems like a lot, but if their squad size only goes up to 5 then I'd be willing to pass over the price.
If so, that settles it. I've got a Vanilla space marine force with a Boltgun/Mechrite red color scheme. All I would need is some troops and I'm good to go.
targetawg wrote:Brass, which GW are you going to? I remember you from the MD battle bunker thread, meaning that whereever you went to peak at that black box is near me as well. I'd love to take a jaunt over after work and read it a bit myself...
The Jennifer Square GW got their Black Box yesterday, but I would suspect that by today Pasadena GW, Arundel Mills GW, Columbia, Olney, White Marsh GW, etc. probably all will have their Black Boxes if they didn't already get it yesterday.
infinite_array wrote:Hey guys, quick question for anyone who's gotten a look at the new codex. Can the new PAGK/TAGK take drop pods?
The Dedicated Transport page includes only: Razorback, Rhino, Chimera. Land Raiders and Stormravens always take up a Force Org. slot, they may never be taken as Dedicated Transports. I don't recall seeing Drop Pods anywhere in there.
My biggest complaint about the new Codex other than the usual binding quality issues that started with the Dark Elf book when GW first switched to their current binder in China is that there's too much stuff crammed into Heavy Support, making it difficult for those of us who collect a variety of stuff because it looks cool to squeeze a lot of it into a standard game. Like the Eldar Codex, Grey Knights Heavy Support has a lot of cool toys, far too many for standard Force Org.
targetawg wrote:Brass, which GW are you going to? I remember you from the MD battle bunker thread, meaning that whereever you went to peak at that black box is near me as well. I'd love to take a jaunt over after work and read it a bit myself...
The Jennifer Square GW got their Black Box yesterday, but I would suspect that by today Pasadena GW, Arundel Mills GW, Columbia, Olney, White Marsh GW, etc. probably all will have their Black Boxes if they didn't already get it yesterday.
Awesome, now i just have to fortify my mind against the barrage of "hey, what army do you play?" followed immediately by "you know what you should buy, xxxx box" as I peruse the book.
Maybe it's just me..but I dread the hard sell that I always get when I walk into local GW's..
BrassScorpion wrote:
The Dedicated Transport page includes only: Razorback, Rhino, Chimera. Land Raiders and Stormravens always take up a Force Org. slot, they may never be taken as Dedicated Transports. I don't recall seeing Drop Pods anywhere in there.
*Sigh* Well, if I'm lucky my drop pods and Dreadnoughts will get a good price on Bartertown.
Maybe it's just me..but I dread the hard sell that I always get when I walk into local GW's..
I don't know which one(s) you frequent, but I rarely if ever have that problem around here.
Went to the Columbia and had that issue, maybe it was just a slow day and I was getting the full attention. But within the 5 minutes I was inside, I was asked the first question, and then he proceeded (once I answered guard) to try to sell me a stompa, and the new large monster gw case, and paints.
Odd thing was I bought a valkyrie anyway, I just like wandering by myself in peace before purchasing what I came for..
Maybe it's just me..but I dread the hard sell that I always get when I walk into local GW's..
I don't know which one(s) you frequent, but I rarely if ever have that problem around here.
i think you are lucky then. every store i've been in multiple states in widely different parts of the US (about GW 5 stores total from the great lakes to the gulf coast) has always given me the old and loud "HI, WHAT ARMY DO YOU PLAY?!? MARINES... WE'VE GOT THE PERFECT THING FOR YOU THEN; THESE NEW *unrelated to my army* MODELS!"
Odd thing was I bought a valkyrie anyway, I just like wandering by myself in peace before purchasing what I came for..
Who doesn't. Most of the staff I know are experienced enough to tell when people want help and when they know what they want and should be left alone to sell themselves. But I never blame them for trying to show off the latest merchandise when I walk in, especially if they don't know me well, as long as they don't overdo it. It is their job after all.
Not to get genuinely whiny or anything, but it kinda sucks to hear all these people getting to see the codex in-person half a week earlier than I will (at best) only to talk about the pretty pictures and not about the rules. :p
H.B.M.C. wrote:Or... they're just aliens... who aren't humans... and are therefore different in structure... which is completely legitimate given that they are made up and not real (and thefore not 'malformed [Mod Edit - Seriously, why is everyone going nuts with this word lately?]')... and therefore and everything you just said is both nonsensical and irrelevant to the topic at hand.
That argument is not even close to being valid, considering that apart from rather minor deformations, Orks are essentially humanoid. It does not matter if they are aliens, they look like malformed humans.
That argument is not even close to being valid, considering that apart from rather minor deformations, Orks are essentially humanoid. It does not matter if they are aliens, they look like malformed humans.
Or is it humans that look like malformed Orks? Seriously, these nerd-debates don't contribute anything, have no objective answer that will keep them from going on to infinity, and what's more it has little to do with what's in the Grey Knights preview kit that just hit stores. Isn't there an Off-Topic area here for those kinds of endless geek arguments? Grrr.
Odd thing was I bought a valkyrie anyway, I just like wandering by myself in peace before purchasing what I came for..
Who doesn't. Most of the staff I know are experienced enough to tell when people want help and when they know what they want and should be left alone to sell themselves. But I never blame them for trying to show off the latest merchandise when I walk in, especially if they don't know me well, as long as they don't overdo it. It is their job after all.
It's the "don't overdo it" part that I think they've missed on a few times.
A fellow on another, better forum pointed out an interesting thing. He argued that the problem with the Dreadknight is that it takes away from the sense of desperation and heroism in the Grey Knights' background. They're now portrayed as perfectly capable, equipped to handle even catastrophic incursions without any real risk. Considering the likely rules given to the Dreadknight, I suspect its tabletop performance will bear this out, splatting Bloodthirsters like puny insects.
Albatross wrote:I pretty much like everything I've seen from this new release. Seriously, to the point that I'm thinking of starting up a GK army.
I even like the Dreadknight. Incidentally, whilst people are photoshopping pics of it, perhaps someone could oblige me by shopping dreadlocks onto the dreadknight? Anyone?
@ Lord Scythican, you will be pleased to find that the word "Scythian" appears in the Grey Knights Codex.
For those Warhammer fans here who don't read history books see below. And the letter "C" is always a hard C in ancient languages like Latin, Greek or Celtic, so say it like the letter "K", not like in the word for a farm implement, "scythe".
The Scythians or Scyths[1] (Ancient Greek: Σκύθαι) were an ancient Iranian people of horse-riding nomadic pastoralists[2] who throughout Classical Antiquity dominated the Pontic-Caspian steppe, known at the time as Scythia. Before 2006, they were believed to have ranged west of the Altai Mountains, until a royal burial was found to the east in Mongolia.[3] By Late Antiquity the closely-related Sarmatians came to dominate the Scythians in the west. Much of the surviving information about the Scythians comes from the Greek historian Herodotus (c. 440 BC) in his Histories and Ovid in his poem of exile Epistulae ex Ponto, and archaeologically from the depictions of Scythian life shown in relief on exquisite goldwork found in Scythian burial mounds in Ukraine and Southern Russia.
The name "Scythian" has also been used to refer to various peoples seen as similar to the Scythians, or who lived anywhere in a vast area covering present-day Central Asia, Russia, and Ukraine—known until medieval times as Scythia. They have been described as "a network of culturally similar tribes."[4] For example, the name of the Scythians has been used in reference to the Goths.
Agamemnon2 wrote:A fellow on another, better forum pointed out an interesting thing. He argued that the problem with the Dreadknight is that it takes away from the sense of desperation and heroism in the Grey Knights' background. They're now portrayed as perfectly capable, equipped to handle even catastrophic incursions without any real risk. Considering the likely rules given to the Dreadknight, I suspect its tabletop performance will bear this out, splatting Bloodthirsters like puny insects.
An nice post, marred by a dig at Dakka. :(
I think that the desperation of the Imperium and the GK, as a whole, doesn't change based on this. The Imperium has always been capable in the moment, but incapable of fighting all those moments at once. I.e. You can't be everywhere. The Grey Knights still know they are fighting a losing battle against chaos. I think some of the fluff in the leaked codex exemplified this. The Dreadknight shows that, despite this, they keep trying to find new ways to fight.
BrassScorpion wrote:@ Lord Scythican, you will be pleased to find that the word "Scythian" appears in the Grey Knights Codex.
For those Warhammer fans here who don't read history books see below. And the letter "C" is always a hard C in ancient languages like Latin, Greek or Celtic, so say it like the letter "K", not like in the word for a farm implement, "scythe".
Nice! What does scythian refer to in the codex? I am glad someone recognized it. People ask me what it means all the time. I should them the stuff you mentioned and I make reference to an old Ravenloft Lord from D&D 2E. He has been phased out of the fluff apparently and has no reference on the internet.
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pretre wrote:I think that was the point, Lord S.
Yeah I know. I need to be a DCM or something. I am glad it is that way. IT does encourage you to become a DCM. You know they should have a DCM day where everyone is one and they can see what they are missing. Of course there would probably need to be a major Clean Up Day the day after.
It was a piece of wargear. I don't remember what it does at the moment, but I do remember it sounded pretty cool.
One piece of wargear I do remember more distinctly is the "plasma siphon". As we all know, plasma weapons are the bane of heavily armoured troops with high points cost in 40K, so Grey Knights have a lot to fear from them. Plasma Siphon removes a lot of that fear factor by reducing the ballistic skill of those within a certain range of the user to "1", thereby reducing significantly the number of hits scored with said plasma weapons. Ouch.
Are there transfer sheets in the black box?
No, and in the dozens of times over the past few years I've seen Black Boxes on their arrival at GW stores, not once have I ever seen a transfer sheet included. Logical, since it's not really something most customers are that excited to have a preview of.
It was a piece of wargear. I don't remember what it does at the moment, but I do remember it sounded pretty cool.
One piece of wargear I do remember more distinctly is the "plasma siphon". As we all know, plasma weapons are the bane of heavily armoured troops with high points cost in 40K, so Grey Knights have a lot to fear from them. Plasma Siphon removes a lot of that fear factor by reducing the ballistic skill of those within a certain range of the user to "1", thereby reducing significantly the number of hits scored with said plasma weapons. Ouch.
Are there transfer sheets in the black box?
No, and in the dozens of times over the past few years I've seen Black Boxes on their arrival at GW stores, not once have I ever seen a transfer sheet included. Logical, since it's not really something most customers are that excited to have a preview of.
That is pretty cool. I will remember to look for I when I stop by my local game shop tomorrow.
Albatross wrote:I pretty much like everything I've seen from this new release. Seriously, to the point that I'm thinking of starting up a GK army.
I even like the Dreadknight. Incidentally, whilst people are photoshopping pics of it, perhaps someone could oblige me by shopping dreadlocks onto the dreadknight? Anyone?
The Rasta will not Refuse it.
"BUMBAKLAAT! I and I will cleanse you with holy flame. Irie."
Agamemnon2 wrote:A fellow on another, better forum pointed out an interesting thing. He argued that the problem with the Dreadknight is that it takes away from the sense of desperation and heroism in the Grey Knights' background. They're now portrayed as perfectly capable, equipped to handle even catastrophic incursions without any real risk. Considering the likely rules given to the Dreadknight, I suspect its tabletop performance will bear this out, splatting Bloodthirsters like puny insects.
TalonZahn wrote:I refuse to support the RastaKnight until the word "Dutchie" replaces one of the other names on there.
How close do you have to be to use the Siphon, and does it work on Vehicles as well?
Okay I will see what I can do!
@Albatross: What a perfect quote to use for a reply! Coincidently I was just playing GTA IV last night doing missions for Jacob and listening to tribal seeds. I already had rasta on the mind so it was worth it.
TalonZahn wrote:I refuse to support the RastaKnight until the word "Dutchie" replaces one of the other names on there.
How close do you have to be to use the Siphon, and does it work on Vehicles as well?
Okay I will see what I can do!
@Albatross: What a perfect quote to use for a reply! Coincidently I was just playing GTA IV last night doing missions for Jacob and listening to tribal seeds. I already had rasta on the mind so it was worth it.
The Rasta Legion chapter must become a reality. I'm thinking a lion on the shoulder pads...
TalonZahn wrote:I refuse to support the RastaKnight until the word "Dutchie" replaces one of the other names on there.
How close do you have to be to use the Siphon, and does it work on Vehicles as well?
Okay I will see what I can do!
@Albatross: What a perfect quote to use for a reply! Coincidently I was just playing GTA IV last night doing missions for Jacob and listening to tribal seeds. I already had rasta on the mind so it was worth it.
The Rasta Legion chapter must become a reality. I'm thinking a lion on the shoulder pads...
If I wasn't at the school library right now I would be screaming laughing at this whole thread. Do you know how hard it is to keep a straight face when theres a stormraven covered in Draigos? I've got tears welling up in my eyes and people keep moving away from me as I make weird stiffled laughing noises.
The "I man" on the knee cap finally pushed me over the edge and I let out small chuckles with tears streaming down my face.
Cypher's Sword wrote:
If I wasn't at the school library right now I would be screaming laughing at this whole thread. Do you know how hard it is to keep a straight face when theres a stormraven covered in Draigos? I've got tears welling up in my eyes and people keep moving away from me as I make weird stiffled laughing noises.
The "I man" on the knee cap finally pushed me over the edge and I let out small chuckles with tears streaming down my face.
It has been a blast hasn't it?
BTW, you should edit your post. The Rasta Knight has a Rasta Lion Shield now...
ph34r wrote:That seems pretty easily doable, at least for the terminators where the storm bolter is separate. Just leave it off and cut down a normal bolter for the halberd.
I'm saddened that GW releases a kit that requires conversion and kitbashing to make it look decent.
I think the PAGK are great dynamic sculpts, except for the clips, as mentioned.
I don't like the Terminators. Maybe its the wide split stance, but they don't look like heavily armored marines I've always taken terminators to be. I guess we're just one step away from kung-fu grips and flying dropkicks - oh wait, haven't we seen that already from BL? *shakes head*
I wanted to like this release, but I won't be getting anything but the codex to use for my Ordo Malleus force, using my former DH stormtroopers and whatever else I can build to fill out points.
I'll use my one unit of metal GK termies to reflect their rarity in the old fluff, and use that extra stern model I have, maybe with some arm swaps, to represent Draigo.
New Grey Knights article with some squad info and ideas from GW:
Strike, Intercept, Purify, Purge! ...being the inquisitive people that we are, we also wanted to look at the new power-armoured Grey Knights, as we'd heard that they were really versatile plastic kits (they can build four different units)... http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=15900013a
The Strike Squad is the ideal unit to take and hold objectives. Equipped with Nemesis force halberds they increase their Initiative to a synapse-shattering 6, which means they will strike before almost any foe. As with all Space Marines, they have the 'And They Shall Know No Fear' special rule, which means shifting them off an objective is never an easy task.
The second unit type is the fast attack Interceptor Squad. The sprue actually has ten backpacks on it - five for the normal marines and five for the Interceptors. The rods coming out the top of the backpacks are personal teleporters, allowing the squad to make one teleport shunt once per game, transporting them up to 30" across the table.
Your third option is an elite unit of Purifiers. Two purifiers can take special weapons in the unit and, just like Space Marine Veterans, they have two attacks each, which should make a mess of any enemy that gets near them. They are also fearless and leadership 9, so the only way to get rid of them is to kill them all (we all know that will probably require a big template)
The fourth way you can build this box is as a Purgation Squad, which, in my opinion, is one of the coolest units in the Codex. The boxed set has four heavy weapons in it - two psycannons, a psilencer and an incinerator. The Purgation squad can take all four if you want.
is the rumor about the halberds costing more true? if so, how much of a points dent? that can't please all the players out there with dozens of regular GKs with halberds.
Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...
ph34r wrote:That seems pretty easily doable, at least for the terminators where the storm bolter is separate. Just leave it off and cut down a normal bolter for the halberd.
I'm saddened that GW releases a kit that requires conversion and kitbashing to make it look decent.
I think the PAGK are great dynamic sculpts, except for the clips, as mentioned.
I don't like the Terminators. Maybe its the wide split stance, but they don't look like heavily armored marines I've always taken terminators to be. I guess we're just one step away from kung-fu grips and flying dropkicks - oh wait, haven't we seen that already from BL? *shakes head*
I wanted to like this release, but I won't be getting anything but the codex to use for my Ordo Malleus force, using my former DH stormtroopers and whatever else I can build to fill out points.
I'll use my one unit of metal GK termies to reflect their rarity in the old fluff, and use that extra stern model I have, maybe with some arm swaps, to represent Draigo.
Make it look decent? It already looks way more than decent. Boo fething hoo, if you didn't like the old grey knight models, you won't like the new grey knight models.
When ever theres a new marine release it always fills me with such spite. they always come out with something like " OOOOOUUUHHHHH LUK NEW SPEEZ MARINES! WE ARE SO MUCH MORE BADASSIER THAN U!" It kinda makes me feel like, if this happened on a battlefield, all of the other armies would just join forces to wipe them out just so they wouldn't be annoyed by them anymore.
and before i get rage quit "WHY DID THEY CANCEL FIREFLY!?!?!?!?!?!WWAAAGHGHGHGHG "
anyways now that my highly biased ranting is over: Despite all of these fancy upgrades and talk of taking objectives with GK and making the rastaknight a troop and all that jazz, i still think they're going to have a hard time taking objectives. Even if you can just teleport 30' onto an objective, what kind of cover are you going to have, and each unit is so damn expense, are you even going to risk throwing all those points so far in. Sure they can hold their own in CC, but not against a whole army. If GK has no heavy fire in the back for the enemy to worry about, then the whole army is just going to turn its guns on the dumbasses that just teled across the field. At least with BA you've got a huge force jumping across the field, all imho. (disclaimer I play neither of these armies and am just throwing things out there)
Cypher's Sword wrote:before i get rage quit "WHY DID THEY CANCEL FIREFLY!?!?!?!?!?!WWAAAGHGHGHGHG "
Nathan Fillion wants to buy Firefly as a fan-funded project. However Joss Whedon Doesn't Support the Fan-Funded Firefly. Now we can blame him for Firefly's cancelization. It was probably him all along. He wanted to make more money directing the Avengers or something.
Cypher's Sword wrote:before i get rage quit "WHY DID THEY CANCEL FIREFLY!?!?!?!?!?!WWAAAGHGHGHGHG "
Nathan Fillion wants to buy Firefly as a fan-funded project. However Joss Whedon Doesn't Support the Fan-Funded Firefly. Now we can blame him for Firefly's cancelization. It was probably him all along. He wanted to make more money directing the Avengers or something.
This information makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Cypher's Sword wrote:before i get rage quit "WHY DID THEY CANCEL FIREFLY!?!?!?!?!?!WWAAAGHGHGHGHG "
Nathan Fillion wants to buy Firefly as a fan-funded project. However Joss Whedon Doesn't Support the Fan-Funded Firefly. Now we can blame him for Firefly's cancelization. It was probably him all along. He wanted to make more money directing the Avengers or something.
This information makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
What you don't want firefly to return? Joss is against it!
Cypher's Sword wrote:before i get rage quit "WHY DID THEY CANCEL FIREFLY!?!?!?!?!?!WWAAAGHGHGHGHG "
Nathan Fillion wants to buy Firefly as a fan-funded project. However Joss Whedon Doesn't Support the Fan-Funded Firefly. Now we can blame him for Firefly's cancelization. It was probably him all along. He wanted to make more money directing the Avengers or something.
OT real fast:
Not true. Joss Whedon doesn't support the 'fan-funded Firefly' because the goal of 'fan-funded Firefly' is to return the show in a format that would be so absurdly different that it really isn't worth buying the rights and tying them up in it.
Fillion is for it, but not in the way you think. He wants to buy the rights and essentially make it 'public domain' with people telling the various stories in whatever way they see fit.
Basically: Chinese Fire Drill but with Firefly fanbois involved.
Of course he won't give out the license to Firefly!
If he does then Joss will never get to realize his dream of introducing a (mostly) good Reaver that falls for River and protects her from bad Reavers until he gets tired of their constant unconsummated love and heads off to the Planet of Angels or PA to become a private detective.
If Nathan was in charge, it would probably become a character study of a group of people engaged in a quixotic crusade for values that the universe at large no longer holds.
Cypher's Sword wrote:before i get rage quit "WHY DID THEY CANCEL FIREFLY!?!?!?!?!?!WWAAAGHGHGHGHG "
Nathan Fillion wants to buy Firefly as a fan-funded project. However Joss Whedon Doesn't Support the Fan-Funded Firefly. Now we can blame him for Firefly's cancelization. It was probably him all along. He wanted to make more money directing the Avengers or something.
OT real fast:
Not true. Joss Whedon doesn't support the 'fan-funded Firefly' because the goal of 'fan-funded Firefly' is to return the show in a format that would be so absurdly different that it really isn't worth buying the rights and tying them up in it.
Fillion is for it, but not in the way you think. He wants to buy the rights and essentially make it 'public domain' with people telling the various stories in whatever way they see fit.
Basically: Chinese Fire Drill but with Firefly fanbois involved.
I can't blame Whedon for being irked at that.
On-topic:
Oh look. the Jokaero.
Now I can hate two models in the new range! YAY!
Oh! I didn't know that. I just read something that was posted about 10 minutes ago. They neglected to mention any of that. Thanks for letting us know!
@Jokaero: Nice! I feel like when never left the other thread! Can you imagine an army of those things with like 50+ lascannons?
Unfortunately, the one Jokaero picture in the GK Codex would indicate a single metal model at this point. Doing Jokaero in numbers may be a very expensive effort with lots of time-consuming converting.
Monkeys In Outer Space (ROBOT CHICKEN: Monkeynauts):
BrassScorpion wrote:Unfortunately, the one Jokaero picture in the GK Codex would indicate a single metal model at this point. Doing Jokaero in numbers may be a very expensive effort with lots of time-consuming converting.
I hope the FAGK are worth taking in the new codex. It'd be great to magnetize the backpacks so you can switch back and forth.
Edit: And I'm not sure if anyone answered one of my questions (thanks for getting one of them, though!). What is, if anyone can tell me, the max unit size for the PAGK?
Kanluwen wrote:I would rather have seen the Jokaero suddenly wiped out by Dreadknights in a massed monkey possession circa M 41.98
Hell, I might actually like the Dreadknight if that were the case. Monkeyslaughtering Dreadknights.
Man, PETA would be all up in this...
You're discarding an important opportunity!
Full monkey army, in planet of the apes theme, and coteaz as the main character. Modelled kneeling on the ground, screaming at the sky in a cute little space suit.
I must say the models are growing on me the more i look at them, Not for grey nights by any means im thinking more converting them for my scythes of the emperor army minus that walker baby carrier thing, some grey nights as veterans sounds perfect (:
The Jokaero look exactly like I imagined. Since they're basically described as genius chimpanzees, I never really imagined them to look very cool at all.
I don't like the model, but I can't help but feel like it's spot on.
What a few people here seem to recognize, but many people here appear to have forgotten or simply don't realize due to later entry dates to Warhammer 40,000 is that the original 1987 version of the game was a very tongue-in cheek RPG/skirmish game that was a conglomeration of ideas from myriad science fiction and fantasy sources. There are still elements today that reflect that sensibility and during the past couple years GW has gone out of its way to bring back, albeit in altered forms, some of those early Rogue Trader elements. The Jokaero is just another example of that kind of "call-back" to the early days. If people wish to take 40K super-seriously they can do that, it's their right, but the elements of overt silliness and humor will always be there, so venting hatred toward them time after time with each release accomplishes nothing and will surely not alter what GW is doing. There, I said it and I'd say it again.
If you're bitter about that reality, check out the quote from The Mighty Boosh in my signature below and repeat it to yourself like a litany.
physcosamatic wrote:Dreadknight. Its like, a Greyknight made sweet love to a Wraithlord and a Tau battle suit then the children of those 2 had a baby together then that baby got made sweet love to by a greyknight then this would be the creation. After a long time of cleansing and purifying.
What are you talking about? Everyone knows the Space Marines desperately needed a War Walker of their very own.
JGrand wrote:In all seriousness, I found this linked image. Can anyone confirm if this is the Jokearo?
Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...
Hmm... small pic, but definitely an orange monkey. Yes, this is what was missing from 40K
JGrand wrote:In all seriousness, I found this linked image. Can anyone confirm if this is the Jokearo?
Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...
Hmm... small pic, but definitely an orange monkey. Yes, this is what was missing from 40K
I'm not sure I am going to be able to shoot and kill these things. Aren't they endangered? The Dreadknight, however. . . I'm as anxious to kill one as GK players to field one.
JGrand wrote:In all seriousness, I found this linked image. Can anyone confirm if this is the Jokearo?
Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...
Hmm... small pic, but definitely an orange monkey. Yes, this is what was missing from 40K
I wonder if he still have the Clyde Rolex watch. "Scrap the Rhino Clyde"
You know I find myself defending the Dread Knight sometimes, but that Jokaero (Joke) is pushing it. Seriously that thing is in the same army as Grey Knights? I might be able to believe it being in a Tau army, but Grey Knights?
ph34r wrote:The only Daemonhunters players that should be mad are daemonhunters players that used only inducted guard.
The good news is, they made a codex for inducted guard. It's called Codex: Imperial Guard.
Oh right, there's no way a Grey Knights player would be upset at:
-Losing WS5, True Grit or an equivalent, and being made Ld8 and losing Fearless for ATSKNF - all the while being told that Grey Knights are as above normal Astartes as an Astartes is to a man
-Being composed entirely of Mary Sues like Thawn and the Chapter Master who's never there but doubled as a Warp Entity (for no reason other than Ward's own whimsy, looking at his model), Draigo, who makes the Emperor weep with inadequacy
-Warrior Acoyltes being BS3 to represent the elite Inquisitorial Stormtroopers
-A Grey Knight character being allowed to join a unit of Daemonhosts (who are essentially toothless)
-Eversors losing Bio-Meltdown and Infiltrate
-Culuxes losing the Pariah aura and the ability to single out Psykers in CC
-Assassins only being given a 6+ FNP aside from their unchanged 4+ Dodge save
-Crowe, who unlocks Purifers - the most faithful representation of the old PAGK - as troops, is not an Independent Character for whatever reason
-Being reduced to only 1,000 Grey Knights and essentially being made Silver Ultramarines in terms of organization
-Any other dumb retcons Ward will arbitrarily make in the process of rewriting the fluff of the first army I ever played
-All of this happening exactly one year after he ruined Blood Angels for me
...but no, you're right, I haven't got a reason to be upset.
Well said...the codex did take a beating I will admit...but the more I look at it...the more I am laughing at the bandwagon. They have no idea what it's like to play GKs...and not much has changed in terms of play style. You have to be flawless...and in a month there are going to be some very frustrated people selling their expensive army.
And by the way...so glad I have my metal models...they're so much more gorgeous...TGK aside. Glad to have plastic of course for the few necessary conversions...
I like the goofiness of the Joker-Os, and will probably be fielding several of them, most likely in some kind of counts-as form. I like that it looks like this codex will be usable for all kinds of crazy circus armies. I might even mash up my old metal GKs with some CSM bits, add in some traitor guard, and use this codex for a Lost and the Damned army... looks spot on for that, given that we can have henchmen, MEQs, and weird oddball stuff.
BrassScorpion wrote:That's not the weapon I was talking about, I was referring to the common close range throwing weapon commonly used by most higher primates.
Well said...the codex did take a beating I will admit...but the more I look at it...the more I am laughing at the bandwagon. They have no idea what it's like to play GKs...and not much has changed in terms of play style. You have to be flawless...and in a month there are going to be some very frustrated people selling their expensive army.
What? Demon hunters has been the absolute worst codex since it came out more or less.. Even 3rd ed orks could beat it
I cant fathom how it has taken a beating.. Yeah you lose WS5 for power weapons and a 5 pt reduction in cost. Oh, also you gain mobility and options!
Thats a pretty elitist attitude to take that only people can win by being flawless. You've gained rhinos, a crazy MC and things that can actually kill units. This codex will destroy almost all nid armies and is like the space marine codex except everything is better
This is not your 3rd ed book, lets realize it's powerful book and not assume only a few people will play it well.
Kirasu wrote: Oh, also you gain mobility and options!
Most important change imo. Old Codex, while it had some great things about, was horribly limited in certain ways. Why the update drastically changed the concept of what a Grey Knight army is supposed to look like, it HAD to be done for it to be competitive. I think its a really awesome update, something I have been waiting for, and I am excited to begin collecting a GK army.
Btw, Dreadknight isn't great, but is far from the worst model GW has made. It's more Accord Crosstour then Nissan Cube. The rest of the range looks pretty good for plastic interpretations of amazing metals.
Finally, anyone who has seen the codex care to share some wargear or differences from the pdf? I don't mean to be a jerk and divert the conversation from bashing the Dread Knight with the same four jokes over and over again...
synack wrote:I'm actually starting to think that you're trolling now.
Bramgaunt said on warseer after you posted, that it's the Psybolter that is 24" in assault/heavy NOT the psycannon
Well considering there's a ton of people who have apparently seen the codex but won't post rules from it, don't blame us for not being sure what specific profiles are and being up-to-date on what a random poster on Warseer is saying. No offense to Bram, but seriously, I had heard something similar just now myself.
Kirasu wrote:What? Demon hunters has been the absolute worst codex since it came out more or less.. Even 3rd ed orks could beat it
I cant fathom how it has taken a beating.. Yeah you lose WS5 for power weapons and a 5 pt reduction in cost. Oh, also you gain mobility and options!
Thats a pretty elitist attitude to take that only people can win by being flawless. You've gained rhinos, a crazy MC and things that can actually kill units. This codex will destroy almost all nid armies and is like the space marine codex except everything is better
This is not your 3rd ed book, lets realize it's powerful book and not assume only a few people will play it well.
Most of those complaints of mine weren't about rules specifically, it was about the spirit of the codex, which Ward failed to transition even decently. I could honestly care less about how powerful the dex is, the question is whether or not it actually feels like the same one I played in 3rd. Is it an army I would pick up today for the same reasons if I had never used the old codex? The Dreadnought, stat reductions, and Mary Sue fluff takes away from the heroic desperation that characterized the book before.
Mobility and options are nice, but I want some heart, too, y'know?
That sucks looks like he is gunna need a librarian taxi to help get him into the fray......Ward needs to cut it out with Non IC special characters, besides him overusing the word nemesis/blood and butchering the fluff now I can see why allessio and rick jumped ship...
, GW are falling badly into a set routine with marine releases: marines and then add some tricks, thinking outside the box a little more surely wouldnt hurt.
They did, they added stormravens and weird gigantic robots and all they got in return was a whining orgy.
I pretty much like everything I've seen from this new release. Seriously, to the point that I'm thinking of starting up a GK army.
I even like the Dreadknight. Incidentally, whilst people are photoshopping pics of it, perhaps someone could oblige me by shopping dreadlocks onto the dreadknight? Anyone?
I agree. There are things that tick me of both in the fluff, rules and miniatures but overall this release means I´m going through with my GK army.
Regarding all the pics:
The fun thing is mods dont like text quotes just for the sake of adding an one liner to them but apparently reposting dozens of huge lamea** pictures on every page with the sole purpose of adding a "lol" to them is ok. Weird but I guess there must be a reason behind it.
Land Raiders and Stormravens always take up a Force Org. slot, they may never be taken as Dedicated Transports.
What a bad decision that is, talk about limiting LR sales.
I thought expensive squads kind of made a case for dedicated transports to at least save slots.
The BA got that.
So is anyone else pissed at the fact that Psycannons, GK's primary anti tank, are 24" for both heavy and assault?
Seriously?
If true that sucks so much behind it´s not even close to being funny.
Oh and no more purgation shooty line build for me so less money to GW so that´s kind of a karma balance right there.
...if true that is.
Most of those complaints of mine weren't about rules specifically, it was about the spirit of the codex, which Ward failed to transition even decently. I could honestly care less about how powerful the dex is, the question is whether or not it actually feels like the same one I played in 3rd. Is it an army I would pick up today for the same reasons if I had never used the old codex? The Dreadnought, stat reductions, and Mary Sue fluff takes away from the heroic desperation that characterized the book before.
Mobility and options are nice, but I want some heart, too, y'know?
And what again was the spirit of the codex, to auto loose every time you put your GKs on a tabletop?
Sure I agree, some of the "feeling", the elite-dness of no longer being WS5 and fearless and S6 hurts but overall more things make up for it and also give back that feeling.
You have S5 across the board now with easy options for S6 and even S7 in Cc with Cc against vehicles being given even more of that elite feel.
If you are a glutton for playing the non-can-win underdog army then build your lists accordingly, no one is forcing you to use a competitive army but most people out there like having a somewhat 50-50-ish chance of winning or loosing with their armies. Not saying this aim is reached buy its far better then the previous codex ever had.
Besides =I= builds are really fun now if you are able to stand the end-of-the-world loss of WS4 stormtroopers.
Crowe:
Hmm, mixed feeling about that one. He is pretty good for the points but requires a careful play style. Not allowing to be charged will be quite a fun challenge.
Still think a captain is a better choice for purifyer heavy mixed builds.
ph34r wrote:So is anyone else pissed at the fact that Psycannons, GK's primary anti tank, are 24" for both heavy and assault?
I'm actually starting to think that you're trolling now.
Bramgaunt said on warseer after you posted, that it's the Psybolter that is 24" in assault/heavy NOT the psycannon
BramGaunt is looking at the German codex it seems, and he's clarified that the Psybolter = Psycannon. Who's trolling? Unless, of course, you know of a different weapon with both an assault and heavy profile? It was pretty obvious in the first place.
, GW are falling badly into a set routine with marine releases: marines and then add some tricks, thinking outside the box a little more surely wouldnt hurt.
They did, they added stormravens and weird gigantic robots and all they got in return was a whining orgy.
Right, because Dakka represents the whole of the 40K community. Don't suppose you've taken a look at the "Who likes the Dreadknight" poll here? Even if Dakka was a microcosm of the 40K world, your "whining orgy" would be unfounded.
Pyriel- wrote:
Regarding all the pics:
The fun thing is mods dont like text quotes just for the sake of adding an one liner to them but apparently reposting dozens of huge lamea** pictures on every page with the sole purpose of adding a "lol" to them is ok. Weird but I guess there must be a reason behind it.
After 40 pages of pictures and random jokes, you're going to nitpick and hope that they start enforcing restraint now?
Pyriel- wrote:Land Raiders and Stormravens always take up a Force Org. slot, they may never be taken as Dedicated Transports.What a bad decision that is, talk about limiting LR sales.
I thought expensive squads kind of made a case for dedicated transports to at least save slots.
The BA got that.
So, not only do you want to focus purely on sales (you don't work for GW, do you?) but you want all chapters (even marines that aren't chapters) to be the same? Space Wolves got Long Fangs - you don't want those too?
Pyriel- wrote:And what again was the spirit of the codex, to auto loose every time you put your GKs on a tabletop?
Sure I agree, some of the "feeling", the elite-dness of no longer being WS5 and fearless and S6 hurts but overall more things make up for it and also give back that feeling.
You have S5 across the board now with easy options for S6 and even S7 in Cc with Cc against vehicles being given even more of that elite feel.
If you are a glutton for playing the non-can-win underdog army then build your lists accordingly, no one is forcing you to use a competitive army but most people out there like having a somewhat 50-50-ish chance of winning or loosing with their armies. Not saying this aim is reached buy its far better then the previous codex ever had.
ghosty wrote:
You know, I really really would have laughed, except you misspelt faeces, which, to a degree, reduces the effect of the poster.
Still, it doesn't mean I'm not going to make those into small warhammer sized posters, and stick them on some of my buildings.
Actually all I added was Jokaero to the picture, so you can't blame me for misspelling faeces as I did not write it You can blame me for not checking though...
So Crowe and Jokaero will be in the second wave? Is second wave metal models only?
bhsman wrote:Most of those complaints of mine weren't about rules specifically, it was about the spirit of the codex, which Ward failed to transition even decently. I could honestly care less about how powerful the dex is, the question is whether or not it actually feels like the same one I played in 3rd. Is it an army I would pick up today for the same reasons if I had never used the old codex? The Dreadnought, stat reductions, and Mary Sue fluff takes away from the heroic desperation that characterized the book before.
Mobility and options are nice, but I want some heart, too, y'know?
I don't think I've ever agreed with you more than I have at this very moment.
ghosty wrote:You know, I really really would have laughed, except you misspelt faeces, which, to a degree, reduces the effect of the poster.
Still, it doesn't mean I'm not going to make those into small warhammer sized posters, and stick them on some of my buildings.
at the same time we ex-colonials overthrew the shackles of the british monarchy, so too did we abolish the use of superfluous silent vowels. you may be suprised to know that is the CORRECT spelling across the pond where the majority of english speakers live.
on the off chance you want to post about indigestion burning your (o)esophagus while your wife is pregnant with a f(o)etus... you may need to look them up also to avoid any more faux spelling corrections.
anyways....
since i'm apparently the only person who is excited about the 2 wound paladins, i'll ask the question. does anyone know if their entry has changed since the previous leak/rumors? do they still get the same options for the same cost? i heard a mention that halberds might cost points now but that was in regard to regular grey knights.
bhsman wrote:You mean the scant bits of fluff that contained the Mary Sue fluff we're talking about?
Petre seems to have a pathalogical need to defend the bad fan-fiction-y fluff that Ward's given the GK's.
bhsman wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently even if you take Coteaz, you still need Grey Knight troops to fulfill the FO requirements. :(
On one hand, that's bad news. On the other hand, it's vindication, because I said my Inquisitorial army would be invalidated, and now it appears that I was right.
bhsman wrote:You mean the scant bits of fluff that contained the Mary Sue fluff we're talking about?
Head over to the Draigo thread where the Mary Sue thing was pretty soundly shot down after we actually quoted the fluff rather than relying on second hand accounts to make judgements.
warboss wrote:
on the off chance you want to post about indigestion buring your (o)esophagus while your wife is pregant with a f(o)etus... you may need to look them up also to avoid any more faux spelling corrections.
Funny, you misspelled 'burning' in your correction of someone's spelling.
bhsman wrote:I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but apparently even if you take Coteaz, you still need Grey Knight troops to fulfill the FO requirements. :(
So does this mean that you can spam henchmen with Corteaz and they do not take FO slots? Well you have to take the miniumum of 2 grey knight squads but after that could you spam henchmen?
Also could someone who's seen the codex tell me if dreadknights can use 30 inch jump move for personal teleporters as the scout move granted by grand strategy please?
For a moment I thought I was looking at a Failseer thread, then realised it was Dakka.
The Dreadknight (somewhat like the Chibli Hawk) is much better once you see the kit. I'm still in the 'don't like' group for the 'hawk, but the Knight is fantastic. I give it a week before a lot of people change camps and start whining against their whining here.
Grey knights didn't have a great deal of detail going into this book, and for better or worse there now is more. I like some of the ideas and concepts that have come out, and untill I have tried to use them in game I'm not going to come down on either side of the fence. I like it that we finally have another Jokaero mini, I haven't been able to put my mitts on an original one.
One comment I will make though, is it me or are all the wrist mounted storm bolters about 10-20% too large?
Namely that all nemesis force weapons are indeed ACTUAL force weapons. Also a single psychic test for the unit will make ALL wounds caused by the unit that phase cause instant death. Say goodbye to that big unit of bloodcrushers. A single unit of grey knights will tear them up.
warboss wrote:
on the off chance you want to post about indigestion buring your (o)esophagus while your wife is pregant with a f(o)etus... you may need to look them up also to avoid any more faux spelling corrections.
Funny, you misspelled 'burning' in your correction of someone's spelling.
yup, we're all capable of making a typo and i'm certainly no exception (heck, i rarely capitalize while you're at it!). my post wasn't about correcting anyone's spelling but about what i thought was an unnecessary comment about something that wasn't even a mistake.
UltraPrime wrote:OK, I'll bite - what is 'Mary Sue'?
I think it's a term that came from the world of fan-fiction: basically, when an author adds a character to an established setting that is the best at everything and basically beloved and wonderful,T he canon example was apparently a writer of Star Trek fanfiction that included a character in her stories that was most likely an idealized version of herself, was exceptional ine very way tot he rest of the crew, and generally had enough awareness of the setting to say "Everything would be so much better if you'd just do THIS and THIS."
The more modern usage has generally downgraded it to just be any character that has an unfair amount of awesomeness applied to it, especially in an established setting.
See TV Tropes for more info, but book an afternoon.
I don't know if the Grey Knights Codex can really have 'Mary Sue' writing in it. perhaps if Inquisitor Matt Ward makes an appearance, with his bodyguard of Grey Knight Justicars and Sensei and Inquisitor Ward also is keeping tabs on the Dark Angels (he knows their secrets. All of them), Blood Angels (Sanguinius said he wished Inquisitor Ward was his real daddy), Space Wolves (He out-drank Bjorn), etc. Oh, and he's receiving insights from the Emperor.
Still, I'm guessing this is a manifestation of people's opinions that the Grey Knights have gone from dire last-line-of-defense secretive heroes of the Imperium to more outright superhero types in the new fluff.
people could come out with who have claimed to have read the new dex 
just adding what I have seen so far until my dex arrives.
