Heh, I never had issues with resin wings from Forgeworld, even on the Hive Tyrant. That single leg taking all the weight, however, has been snapped and pinned already.
-Loki- wrote:Heh, I never had issues with resin wings from Forgeworld, even on the Hive Tyrant. That single leg taking all the weight, however, has been snapped and pinned already.
I used mine for old conversion and yes the leg is a problem
Ratius wrote:So still no Harpy then?
Depends if theres wings on the HT kit and if they are big enough.
I wonder if tyranids will actually win the battle report in WD this time Well I probs buy a tryant and tervigon kit hope the Don't do a stormraven and have a horrible looking model .
So on the GW British website is fine cast resin tyrants (£36) and hive guard.....FINE CAST ZOANTHROPES (has this been there for ages or have a I been missing something).
Also pyrovore, lictor and venomthrope. (All finecast)
Am I missing something? When did GW replace a large hunk of their metal models with finecast resin?
As well a few Space Wolf kits including
Space Wolves Thunderwolf Cavalry, 3fig. Plastic Kit
Space Wolves Fenrisan Wolfpack 5fig. Plastic Kit
Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf 1fig. Finecast
Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenris 1fig. Finecast
Just though I'd pass it along :-)
//Edge
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry, just saw that e info was already out there :-/ Got a bit to exited :-)
//Edge
Awesome! And in plastic, awesome! Now I just want wings in the Tyrant kit for my week to be complete.
FistOFun wrote:So on the GW British website is fine cast resin tyrants (£36) and hive guard.....FINE CAST ZOANTHROPES (has this been there for ages or have a I been missing something).
Also pyrovore, lictor and venomthrope. (All finecast)
Am I missing something? When did GW replace a large hunk of their metal models with finecast resin?
...uh...when Finecast came out. None of that is new.
If now released in plastic, this will mean that there has been a different model for the Hive Tyrant for each edition of the game in which it has featured. Would that be a unique achievement, or have there been other miniatures which have been so frequently updated and replaced?
Thunderwolves look extra silly. Fenris Wolves, pretty good. Marked improvement over the old. Hive Tyrant has an even bigger nose-blade, if that's possible.
And, wait, hold up - the Tyrant in the background's got wings!!!!!!!
Redemption wrote:Did not expect the flying Hive Tyrant to have have a tail instead of legs. :|
Look closely. He appears to have legs - or possibly stumpy talons? The wings appear to have deathspitters mounted in them as well - perhaps the wings allow upgrades to be slotted into them so you could have DS/Devourer wings, ST wings, etc?
Do wings in the Codex impede a Tyrant's ability to take the standard 4-arms worth of weapons? If not, then he's got to mount them somewhere, so why not the legs?
Oh, and damn you GW. Tyranids - the one and only chink in my armour.
Arjac near the swarmlord is a bit meeh but pretty cool
the thunderwolf lord as far as i can see is the head of the charge hard to tell if its a good model or not but ill give them the benifit of the doubt still not buying one since its identical to the plastics bar extra detail (just saw other half of page and the lord is pretty sweet)
thunderwolves i actually really like they are more snarling and ravenous than i expected and multiple poses by assumption makes the kit a winner
Wolves in general looking amazing love the sculpt for the cyberwolf shame its finecast and separate but otherwise couldn't ask more any more
mini note liking the banner bearer on the hill for the wolves but why no MotW marine?
nids
swarmlord sabers have looked to change but overall looks good
flying tyrant not liking the pose but hoping to be ground walking and wings possible
tervigon looks pretty good but not the best sculpt i think it was a little offset since it had to be a combined kit
tyrannofex looks good but i would have liked the more mouth cannon look it feels more alien than a canifex crab cannon
Edits* for seeing more of the models and opinion update
At first I was less than impresed with the idea of another Hive Tyrant. I already have two from every edition plus two FW flyrants. After seeing the picture, I will be purchasing them to use as harpies. As for the Tyranofex, I can't be happier with it. I will deffinately be buying 3 of them!
H.B.M.C. wrote:It's probably like that because putting a special character on the box might be confusing ("But I don't want a Swarm Lord!").
Putting the Flyrant on the box cover also helps it stand out more among the Tervigon, Carnifex, and Trygon, which are all on foot but distinct from each other. Flyrant with wings really stands out compared to them, drawing attention on the shelf.
Good find, well done HMBC. The new Tyranids don't look bad at all, though the Thunderwolves still look a bit silly (I will be content to blame the concept rather than the sculpt, however.).
Nice to see the winged Tyrant, hopefully we'll see winged Warriors eventually getting a recut box as well.
Still not a big fan of the 'gotta be six limbs' thing, wasn't a fan of either Forgeworlds or GW's call to stick to that, although some patience and green stuff should allow me to do a winged one and still have its legs.
Yep confirmation bonesabers have changed appearance its a shame i liked the squarer more heavy design these one look a bit small for a "monstrous creature"
Ratius wrote:Hmmmm not sure about old Swarmy, does he look epic enough?
Bone sabres are a little weak imo.
They can only do so much with the kit. Swarmlord has his own head and 4 arms. There is a lashwhip and bonesword option as well what looks like a new venom cannon for normal Tyrants. Tail, lower legs, and wings for the flyrant. Only so much sprue space.
On the one hand, I really like the hive tyrant, and will probably get several for Swarmlord and harpies.
On the other hand, the size of the tervigon kit means that the five I converted are officially too small to use. Now I have to figure out what to do with 5 carnifex bodies.
Now that makes me happy. I really like the Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit, and will be even happier when some better views of the Hive Tyrant can be had. Thank you xenos.
I like most of this stuff, but those bonesword bitz prices are insane, and not in a Crazy Eddie way. I have the Warriors and FW wings to do like 12 Shrikes, but I'm not eager to drop $80 on weapons. And I'm not in love a lot of the third-party versions out there. Grr.
The Thunderwolves look a little silly (which, given the concept, was totally unavoidable), but better than any of the conversions I've seen of them. It's still very hard to take a guy in power armor sitting atop a wolf very seriously. Fenrisian wolves, OTOH, look great.
The Tervigon looks fine. Exactly like most every conversion I've seen of it. I hope the players who have put good work into their Tervigons don't feel compelled to buy the official model...it doesn't seem worth it. I also wish the Tyrannofex variant looked a bit more distinct...a bit more like the codex art would've been nice (sacrilege!). I never really saw the phallic imagery others have talked about. It looked more like a walking gun platform to me. Now it looks like yet another Tyranid goofily "holding" its bio-weapon like it's a Mac-10.
I do really like the look of Swarmlord and his pointy swords. And I can't really tell if anything's supposed to have changed on the Hive Tyrant, but I am loving the Flyrant. Tyranids need more distinctive looking units...I'm glad to see one that will really stand out.
Tervigon: awesome, better than most conversions and third-party kits
Tyrannofex: looks boring and if that big gun is only on one side it'll look awfully unbalanced, too
Flyrant: sweet, love the pose and them keeping with the 6-limb rule
Walking Tyrant: kinda boring
Swarmlord: I like the sabres, apart from that see above
Space furries: I don't give a but I would say they look awfully bland, but way better sculpted than any of the third-party offerings.
With these new models, Carni kits will take a hit sales wise since no more conversion bases are needed.
Amend the Carni stats somewhat to make them slightly more playable and thats another fat cash cow too.
Ratius wrote:With these new models, Carni kits will take a hit sales wise since no more conversion bases are needed.
Amend the Carni stats somewhat to make them slightly more playable and thats another fat cash cow too.
That could be fixed with point drop, too.
Necrons have a 50 point monstrous creature. Yes it is only 3 wounds, but it is still t6, 3+ save, 3 attacks, on a s6 monstrous creature. 50 points! A carnifex is more than 3x that, before upgrades, but doesn't have 3x the killing power or survivability. If anyone said that the point-dropping all of the big beasties in the nid book would make the army broken or cheesy, I would disagree. We don't get the chance to field tanks, so we need as many big bugs as possible to counter the rhinos, razorbacks, land raiders, wave serpents, etc etc.
tetrisphreak wrote:Also to sell more models the Tyrannofex needs a white dwarf update dropping its points by about 50.
Same could be said about most of the TMC. Unfortunately, we're in for a long wait. Our best hope is that 6th edition with both moderately nerf vehicles and moderately buff MC so that each is worth its respective points.
Yeah, 50pt monsterous creatures are dumb. Hell, even a Talos is 3x the cost and just as slow...but can only take one per Heavy slot. It would have been better if you could take multiple per slot like Carnifex.
Anyone else hoping their is a rules update in the white dwarf making gargoyles troops in a flyrant list or something would be awesome to see nids on top again
I'm not convinced that 'nids will GET a WD rules update. In the midst of the Ghost21 fiasco, I don't remember which rumors were credible and which ones were complete bunk regarding Tyranids.
Would I love to see an update that makes the army viable again? Yes, of course, i have about 8000 points of 'nids at my house. Do I think they will get an update before 6th edition comes out? No. I think 6th edition will change vehicle rules and mission rules to the point where hiding in metal boxes all day won't win games anymore. Then 'nids will be able to compete again.
Also to sell more models the Tyrannofex needs a white dwarf update dropping its points by about 50.
This would make my Carnifex models even more overpriced and worthless.
As opposed to being overpriced and worthless now? I agree, a Carnifex with no upgrades should only cost about 110-120 points. I have no clue why playtesters decided that a carnifex should be the same points value as a tau hammerhead with a railgun + multi-tracker.
I'm a little ambivalent toward this release. On one hand, the models are pretty good. I like the heirophant-style body for the new big bugs, and there looks to be plenty of options in the HT kit. However this does all seem 'too little too late' to me.
The various rumours making the rounds had me cautiously optimistic for a new beastie with rules in WD, to breathe some life into a rather neglected codex. Instead we get an existing kit replaced and only 2 gaps in the range filled. If these had been released even 18 months after the codex, I'd have snapped up several of them by now. Unfortunately last summer I finally gave up and made 2 tervigons, converted some magnetic bonesword arms, and bought a hierodule to proxy as a t-fex outside apoc games. Most of which came from ebay.
Despite nids being my main army, GW won't be getting any money from me on this release. And I suspect I'm not alone.
xttz wrote:I'm a little ambivalent toward this release. On one hand, the models are pretty good. I like the heirophant-style body for the new big bugs, and there looks to be plenty of options in the HT kit. However this does all seem 'too little too late' to me.
The various rumours making the rounds had me cautiously optimistic for a new beastie with rules in WD, to breathe some life into a rather neglected codex. Instead we get an existing kit replaced and only 2 gaps in the range filled. If these had been released even 18 months after the codex, I'd have snapped up several of them by now. Unfortunately last summer I finally gave up and made 2 tervigons, converted some magnetic bonesword arms, and bought a hierodule to proxy as a t-fex outside apoc games. Most of which came from ebay.
Despite nids being my main army, GW won't be getting any money from me on this release. And I suspect I'm not alone.
Did your heirodule happen to be painted orange with a black snout when you bought it?
That tervigon is so damn sexy... too bad I have 3x chapterhouse ones and cant justify dumping coin to buy 3x models that look somewhat similar.... HOWEVER I will most defiantly be buying at least 2x Tyrannofexes
Love the swarmlord / tyrant kit. Will likely buy 2x tyrants to make a swarmlord / flyrant then dig the magnets out of my current hive tyrant to make him a standard tyrant.
We waited all of this time for this gak! I am not a fan of the Chapterhouse Tervigon, but GWs is terrible. Its hindquarters are totally emaciated. It reminds me of Mantics slim figs. The tail is also much too plain. In fact the entire model looks like an old sculpt, akin to the level of detail on the Carnifex model.
The Tyrannofex is also malnourished. It just does not have the bulk and size that is indicated by the illustration in the codex. It also looks like GW opted to put the rupture cannon in the fex's hand, and not in its mouth.
spaceelf wrote:We waited all of this time for this gak! I am not a fan of the Chapterhouse Tervigon, but GWs is terrible. Its hindquarters are totally emaciated. It reminds me of Mantics slim figs. The tail is also much too plain. In fact the entire model looks like an old sculpt, akin to the level of detail on the Carnifex model.
The Tyrannofex is also malnourished. It just does not have the bulk and size that is indicated by the illustration in the codex. It also looks like GW opted to put the rupture cannon in the fex's hand, and not in its mouth.
Have you seen the Heirophant? They look like smaller versions of it, which are perfect, I think.
And where are you getting the Rupture Cannon being in the creature's mouth? It is formed out of its front-two limbs in the artwork.
spaceelf wrote:We waited all of this time for this gak! I am not a fan of the Chapterhouse Tervigon, but GWs is terrible. Its hindquarters are totally emaciated. It reminds me of Mantics slim figs. The tail is also much too plain. In fact the entire model looks like an old sculpt, akin to the level of detail on the Carnifex model.
The Tyrannofex is also malnourished. It just does not have the bulk and size that is indicated by the illustration in the codex. It also looks like GW opted to put the rupture cannon in the fex's hand, and not in its mouth.
Have you seen the Heirophant? They look like smaller versions of it, which are perfect, I think.
And where are you getting the Rupture Cannon being in the creature's mouth? It is formed out of its front-two limbs in the artwork.
The front limbs are attached to it, but the cannon itself looks like it is centered on the t-fex and is actually its lower jaw.
I'm happily going to be picking up at least two Tervigons, probably one tyrant box since it's plastic now, and at least one order of boneswords for warriors once I see the look. This is the perfect time because I just started repainting my Nids to a standard that wasn't embarassing to show up to tournies with so these will slot in nicely
Definitely excited for both sets of models, as I play both armies. I have a couple hive tyrants already, but will probably look into the Flying Tyrant kit all the same.
Whoa, don't check for one day and all of a sudden the thread explodes with activity!
As for the models, here's my personal breakdown:
Tervigon: Looks pretty cool, and I actually like the arched back, it makes the Hierophant look less out of place.
Tyrannofex: Again, another cool looking model (cooler than the Tervigon imho), but offsetting the gun looks a bit silly. And it looks like I'm going to need to convert my Tyrannofex back into a Carnifex now...
Hive Tyrant: No real differences in the base version, although the ability to take dual boneswords is nice. The winged one looks awesome, I don't mind the scything legs either. And Swarmlord's swords are a little small, but I don't mind so much. The model still looks really cool overall.
And since Space Wolves are my main army:
TWC Wolf Lord: Definitely looks better than Canis, hard to tell how good the model looks from the pics though. I like it, but I don't think I'll buy it.
TWC: I think they look very cool actually, and just when I was thinking "I need more TWC". Fenrisian Wolves: Awesome! I already have 7 old-school Wolves, but these will definitely be being added to my army soon. I love that they actually look like Wolves and not High Elf Lions!
Arjac: Eh, nothing special, but I'm certain that I'll buy him since I have all the other Space Wolves special characters already.
My wallet's about to take a severe beating though... ideally, I'd wanna get 2-3 Tervigons, 1-2 Tyrannofexes, 1 Swarmlord, 1 Winged Tyrant (which I don't know if I'll even use that much... it just looks so damn cool), a box of Fenrisian Wolves, Arjac and a box of Thunderwolf Calvary.
Oo, these are almost enticing me to start Nids! I'm pretty sure that the people who don't like these would appreciate them better were the Codex art more similar, though.
Chapterhouse wrote:Ill buy a Tyranofex kit, but again, I have 3 Tervigons-Chapterhouse kits, 2+ years later is a kick in the balls. HOLY COW-$70.00 US?!
That's 70 canadian. Its 57.75US, the same price as a Trygon. And considering your 'tervigon' costs 75+....
I for one am glad my tervigons were some mild conversions of two carnifexes I couldn't use anymore (gunfexes) and waited for the real thing. Head and shoulders better then any conversion or garage kit out there and quite a bit cheaper to boot.
I was stoked about the warrior weapons but the price is galling. 20 for 3 sets? Those aren't models, not extra bits, just 6 swords and arms? Insane.
I have two magnetized metal tyrants already but the extra plastic bits will be a godsend. The plastic bodies will become harpies (extra carnifex head swapped for the tyrant head, walla -- instant harpy)
Wow I absolutely love all of these models. Its nice to see these models finally released! I think GW did an awesome job with them! I can't wait to buy some of these models!
Dude GODDAMMIT. Gw is going to be taking SO MUCH OF MY MONEY this year. Tyranids, Thunderwolves, Necrons, Dark Eldar....and the DARK ANGELS!!!
Goodbye my precious precious $$$
Great job on the Tervis/Tyrannos and new Tyrnat kit, so much value (hopefully for your money) in those kits. TWCs are looking good to me too, I might still pick up some 3rd party ones though.
It's been long enough, but thanks for coming through GW.
I didn't think I'd like the Codex-art arched backs, but as soon as someone pointed out the similarities to the Heirophant, I think I love them now.
I guess, after all this time, GW actually produced great Tyranid models.
It's a relief that the plastic Tyrant looks incredibly similar to the metal Tyrant to the point that the metal ones won't look out-of-place and obsolete.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Hive Tyrant: No real differences in the base version, although the ability to take dual boneswords is nice. The winged one looks awesome, I don't mind the scything legs either. And Swarmlord's swords are a little small, but I don't mind so much. The model still looks really cool overall.
What I'm interested in is seeing how a normal Hive Tyrant will look with the leaping stance. Basically putting the leaping/scything legs, tail base with dual bonesword/deathspitter tyrant ala leaping velociraptor.
Chapterhouse wrote:Ill buy a Tyranofex kit, but again, I have 3 Tervigons-Chapterhouse kits, 2+ years later is a kick in the balls. HOLY COW-$70.00 US?!
That's 70 canadian. Its 57.75US, the same price as a Trygon. And considering your 'tervigon' costs 75+....
I for one am glad my tervigons were some mild conversions of two carnifexes I couldn't use anymore (gunfexes) and waited for the real thing. Head and shoulders better then any conversion or garage kit out there and quite a bit cheaper to boot.
I was stoked about the warrior weapons but the price is galling. 20 for 3 sets? Those aren't models, not extra bits, just 6 swords and arms? Insane.
I have two magnetized metal tyrants already but the extra plastic bits will be a godsend. The plastic bodies will become harpies (extra carnifex head swapped for the tyrant head, walla -- instant harpy)
I guess a price change is in order then
The good thing is that there is little change GW will kill off the Tervigon and Tyranofex units in the next codex as the plastic kit setup is a huge investment.
What is that? It like a tyrannofex but has arms instead of a weapon. The arms may have something weapon-like but doesn't look like any of the main weapons of a t-fex. Below, it says in italian to the effect of 'turn to page 39 to learn everything about the weapon of this model'
Chapterhouse wrote:Ill buy a Tyranofex kit, but again, I have 3 Tervigons-Chapterhouse kits, 2+ years later is a kick in the balls. HOLY COW-$70.00 US?!
That's 70 canadian. Its 57.75US, the same price as a Trygon. And considering your 'tervigon' costs 75+....
I for one am glad my tervigons were some mild conversions of two carnifexes I couldn't use anymore (gunfexes) and waited for the real thing. Head and shoulders better then any conversion or garage kit out there and quite a bit cheaper to boot.
I was stoked about the warrior weapons but the price is galling. 20 for 3 sets? Those aren't models, not extra bits, just 6 swords and arms? Insane.
I have two magnetized metal tyrants already but the extra plastic bits will be a godsend. The plastic bodies will become harpies (extra carnifex head swapped for the tyrant head, walla -- instant harpy)
I guess a price change is in order then
The good thing is that there is little change GW will kill off the Tervigon and Tyranofex units in the next codex as the plastic kit setup is a huge investment.
Don't worry too much. Wait until Summer and suddenly GW will quintuple their prices.
After a few duff months (Cygor/Ghorgon, Coven Throne/Mortis Engine and some bizzare LoTR releases), I'm calling this a return to form in terms of sculpting. Even the Thunder Wolves aren't that bad considering the concept.
What is that? It like a tyrannofex but has arms instead of a weapon. The arms may have something weapon-like but doesn't look like any of the main weapons of a t-fex. Below, it says in italian to the effect of 'turn to page 39 to learn everything about the weapon of this model'
Is this the WD tyranid unit that was rumored?
Maybe the Tyranofex but with a different weapon option? I know it has 3 options for its main gun.
What is that? It like a tyrannofex but has arms instead of a weapon. The arms may have something weapon-like but doesn't look like any of the main weapons of a t-fex. Below, it says in italian to the effect of 'turn to page 39 to learn everything about the weapon of this model'
Is this the WD tyranid unit that was rumored?
Looks like the main picture is the Fleshborer Hive... one of the weapon options for the Tyrannofex... it has Assault 20. To me that picture looks like the wall of spore launchers so I think it makes sense. The small picture above it is probably the Acid Spray, with the Rupture cannon being the huge gun.
I'm not seeing anything different about the Tyrant on foot at the bottom of that page. Looks exactly like the current model. Perhaps the kit is just for the Flying Tyrant/Swarmlord?
Deathleaper (1 Fig Box) $24.75 $29.75
Old One Eye (1 Fig Box) $41.25 $49.50
Tyranid Biovore (1 Fig Box) $41.25 $49.50
Tyranid Spore Mine Cluster (9 Fig Box) $24.75 $29.75
The Red Terror (1 Fig Box) $41.25 $49.50
Tyranid Ripper Swarm Brood (1 Base Clampack) $13.25 $16.00
First personal comment:
Good to have official models for these important units. Makes them playable to the wider public.
Hive Tyrant looks almost identical to the previous model, I hoped for more changes. The Flyrant looks good though.
I don't like the look of the Biotitan with its ridiculously thin legs and body. So I don't like the arched body of tervi/Tyrannofex either.
Good that they dropped the crotch gun as seen on the Tyrannofex art. Having such a huge body and then only holding a gun is a bit of a let down for me. I would have preferred a bigger gun carried on the back. Good thing I finished an alternative model with exactly that just in time. Need more perspectives though for a final judgment. Maybe I will make a conversion with the gun moved to the back.
The tervigon, despite its arched back, looks better. Although I own 2 non-GW versions I like better (and one I like less), I will buy one, because I like variety.
Actually, I like the third monster from that box best, the non-Codex Tyranid with the WD rules, something like the Tyrannofex with close combat weapons:
Cirronimbus wrote:I'm not seeing anything different about the Tyrant on foot at the bottom of that page. Looks exactly like the current model. Perhaps the kit is just for the Flying Tyrant/Swarmlord?
Look at the bonesword.
It's similar but in plastic mainly.
That is the main difference. That sword. Until we all get a magazine to pore over.
Still seems weird they'd change it to plastic but keep the sculpt the same. The picture is a bit blurry too so that may account for it. I'm liking the Swarmlord's head though... might use it instead of the normal Tyrant's head.
What is that? It like a tyrannofex but has arms instead of a weapon. The arms may have something weapon-like but doesn't look like any of the main weapons of a t-fex. Below, it says in italian to the effect of 'turn to page 39 to learn everything about the weapon of this model'
Is this the WD tyranid unit that was rumored?
Maybe the Tyranofex but with a different weapon option? I know it has 3 options for its main gun.
There's already clear pics of the rupture cannon and acid spray. It is probably the fleshborer hive, but I expected it to look more like a giant fleshborer (like the pic in the codex looks like a fleshborer hive to me) and not some limbs with ports on the shins/forearms. With the note below the pic I thought perhaps they stated something new for the t-fex or added a new t-fex like unit. Wishful thinking I know.
Why does GW think that people will buy 1 base of Rippers for $16? They are nowhere near as efficient as Scarab Swarms, and even those only fetch $5 or so on ebay.
I was saving my tournament winnings for some necron new stuff, guess Ill grab that TFex when it comes out
Kroothawk wrote:
Actually, I like the third monster from that box best, the non-Codex Tyranid with the WD rules, something like the Tyrannofex with close combat weapons:
There is a good chance, I think, that that is just the 3rd shooting option, like the "hive" options for carnifexes. The openings for the hive are in the chitinous plates on its back - this could be the same thing, just in the forearms.
Kroothawk wrote:
Good that they dropped the crotch gun as seen on the Tyrannofex art. Having such a huge body and then only holding a gun is a bit of a let down for me. I would have preferred a bigger gun carried on the back. Good thing I finished an alternative model with exactly that just in time. Need more perspectives though for a final judgment. Maybe I will make a conversion with the gun moved to the back.
Thankfully it seems like a fairly convenient conversion to put the Rupture Cannon on the back carapace. And yes, I also think that it`ll look much better that way...
Wow the new tyranids look amazing(except the swarm lord)
although im slightly upset that there's no harpy.Maybe the red terror is the new white dwarf creature?(with rules in the white dwarf).
What is that? It like a tyrannofex but has arms instead of a weapon. The arms may have something weapon-like but doesn't look like any of the main weapons of a t-fex. Below, it says in italian to the effect of 'turn to page 39 to learn everything about the weapon of this model'
Is this the WD tyranid unit that was rumored?
Maybe the Tyranofex but with a different weapon option? I know it has 3 options for its main gun.
There's already clear pics of the rupture cannon and acid spray. It is probably the fleshborer hive, but I expected it to look more like a giant fleshborer (like the pic in the codex looks like a fleshborer hive to me) and not some limbs with ports on the shins/forearms. With the note below the pic I thought perhaps they stated something new for the t-fex or added a new t-fex like unit. Wishful thinking I know.
If you squint at the picture in a very dark room and use your imagination, the front arms look a smidge Malefactor-y. But it appears the ship has sailed on the Cerebore/new bug rumor. Oh well.
The picture says 'Tirannofex' next to it in the picture's description on the left, so I wouldn't read to much into it. It's probably just the fleshborer hive or something.
Kroothawk wrote:
Good that they dropped the crotch gun as seen on the Tyrannofex art. Having such a huge body and then only holding a gun is a bit of a let down for me. I would have preferred a bigger gun carried on the back. Good thing I finished an alternative model with exactly that just in time. Need more perspectives though for a final judgment. Maybe I will make a conversion with the gun moved to the back.
Thankfully it seems like a fairly convenient conversion to put the Rupture Cannon on the back carapace. And yes, I also think that it`ll look much better that way...
That's a good call. Would make it more of a mini-Exocrine like the rules suggest.
And good to see you around here, Moloch. Seems like it's been a while.
Redemption wrote:The picture says 'Tirannofex' next to it in the picture's description on the left, so I wouldn't read to much into it. It's probably just the fleshborer hive or something.
Those look more like an Assault 20 weapon than anything else...wall of dart throwers style!
I really would hope that a T-Fex sized CC variant would be the *last* thing that GW would come up with to give 'Nids a boost. I'm not a huge fan of the transport bug concept and even that seems more useful than a lumbering CC monstrosity with a target painted allll over it.
that last pic looks pretty much like the cover art for the tervigon. im just glad we get a nice plastic tyrant, plus a winged version and swords/whips combos. although im am slightly miffed i purchased a bunch of arachnorok spider torsos off ebay for conversion use and no i have no purpose for them... why couldnt these pics and news be in solidity here like last month?
I'm so, so, so, so, so fething glad I waited on getting a Tervigon and Tyrannofex instead of converting up fat Carnifexes with wang cannons or using the chapterhouse kit. Those look absolutely amazing.
I love the mini Heirophant look they gave the Tyrannofex as well - sort of connects the FW and GW lines a little.
I'll be curious if in fact there are WD rules for a new weapon upgrade for the Tfex. These look like scanned pages...I wonder if this WD has the rules for it? Anyone who owns it care to enlighten us?
-Loki- wrote:I'm so, so, so, so, so fething glad I waited on getting a Tervigon and Tyrannofex instead of converting up fat Carnifexes with wang cannons or using the chapterhouse kit. Those look absolutely amazing.
I love the mini Heirophant look they gave the Tyrannofex as well - sort of connects the FW and GW lines a little.
Kroothawk wrote:
Good that they dropped the crotch gun as seen on the Tyrannofex art. Having such a huge body and then only holding a gun is a bit of a let down for me. I would have preferred a bigger gun carried on the back. Good thing I finished an alternative model with exactly that just in time. Need more perspectives though for a final judgment. Maybe I will make a conversion with the gun moved to the back.
Thankfully it seems like a fairly convenient conversion to put the Rupture Cannon on the back carapace. And yes, I also think that it`ll look much better that way...
That's a good call. Would make it more of a mini-Exocrine like the rules suggest.
And good to see you around here, Moloch. Seems like it's been a while.
A while indeed. Oh and yes, I fought long and hard for the Tyrannofex to get named Exocrine. Obviously that battle was lost...
Tervigon looks great, Tyrannofex looks a bit awkward with that 1 giant gun. That Winged Hive Tyrant also offers possibilities for a good Harpy conversion.
Couldn't give a damn about more Space Marines stuff.
From a gameplay POV - looks like the Tervigon/T-fex will be too big to get cover saves from mid-sized critters like they can today (if you did the usual Carnifex conversion). Which actually is a huge bummer. Missile spam 2.0 - now without cover saves!
I'm not sure if it's been talked about before, but does this dispell the (admittedly stupid) rumors that Chapterhouse was the reason why we weren't seeing an official Tervigon model?
infinite_array wrote:I'm not sure if it's been talked about before, but does this dispell the (admittedly stupid) rumors that Chapterhouse was the reason why we weren't seeing an official Tervigon model?
There's no evidence either way. It could be that GW delayed it because of their incompetent lawyer and then decided to release it anyways once they realized there was no sensible thing holding them back anyways.
N.I.B. wrote:From a gameplay POV - looks like the Tervigon/T-fex will be too big to get cover saves from mid-sized critters like they can today (if you did the usual Carnifex conversion). Which actually is a huge bummer. Missile spam 2.0 - now without cover saves!
True, but their size might allow them to better hide Venomthropes.
Kroothawk wrote:
Good that they dropped the crotch gun as seen on the Tyrannofex art. Having such a huge body and then only holding a gun is a bit of a let down for me. I would have preferred a bigger gun carried on the back. Good thing I finished an alternative model with exactly that just in time. Need more perspectives though for a final judgment. Maybe I will make a conversion with the gun moved to the back.
Thankfully it seems like a fairly convenient conversion to put the Rupture Cannon on the back carapace. And yes, I also think that it`ll look much better that way...
That's a good call. Would make it more of a mini-Exocrine like the rules suggest.
And good to see you around here, Moloch. Seems like it's been a while.
A while indeed. Oh and yes, I fought long and hard for the Tyrannofex to get named Exocrine. Obviously that battle was lost...
I can't say I'm sold on the flyrant. It just looks like all the conversions people did with those Nazgul wings and a longer tail. I was hoping the wings would run down the torso like the Gargoyle wings.
Not that it's a bad model, but I'm glad that it's not blowing me away, since I've got that FW flyrant sitting around. Seems like my original idea is going to stay - FW Tyrants for regular Tyrants and Flyrants, and the GW plastic kit for a Swarmlord.
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broodstar wrote:Congrats to GW for a Tyrannofex model, because converting one sucked, but it looks like a smaller Biotitan!
You say that like it's a bad thing.
It's a good way to connect the FW model range to the GW model range.
Samus_aran115 wrote:Someone already said that, lol
Swarmlord looks good, if not a bit small. I remember reading that the swarmlord was significantly bigger that your average hive tyrant.
No, that's just people misinterpreting the 'The Swarmlord is to a Hive Tyrant what a Hive Tyrant is to a Termagant' line from the codex as referring to size instead of how evolved/cunning/smart/etc. it is. Obviously it's not going to be 4 times the size of a Hive Tyrant.
I really do like the tervigon/tyrannofex. The hive tyrant hasn't changed which is nice, I liked how it looked. It's unfortunate that the wings take up a weapon set on the model, but oh well. The thunder wolves are also nice. I am curious as to what the thick super glue and thin plastic glue mean in terms of quality.
Samus_aran115 wrote:Someone already said that, lol
Swarmlord looks good, if not a bit small. I remember reading that the swarmlord was significantly bigger that your average hive tyrant.
No, that's just people misinterpreting the 'The Swarmlord is to a Hive Tyrant what a Hive Tyrant is to a Termagant' line from the codex as referring to size instead of how evolved/cunning/smart/etc. it is. Obviously it's not going to be 4 times the size of a Hive Tyrant.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about alright Never mind. I'll just have to give him a really nice paintjob to make him seem special.
It seems like GW included more than one "face horn" for the swarmlord/hive tyrant, which is cool. I always thought that was a unique way to make your tyrant unique.
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Surtur wrote:I really do like the tervigon/tyrannofex. The hive tyrant hasn't changed which is nice, I liked how it looked. It's unfortunate that the wings take up a weapon set on the model, but oh well. The thunder wolves are also nice. I am curious as to what the thick super glue and thin plastic glue mean in terms of quality.
They already have these, IIRC. Sometime back they switched to the thin glue from the traditional gunky glue (which I like more) without drawing too much attention. I'm glad they're going to offer the thick glue again. Not that I couldn't just buy loctite or something for way cheaper. Sometimes slathering a plague marine in super glue is oddly satisfying.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
How does it put the Transportofex rumours to bed? For all we know GW could release the Transportofex at a later date. I don't see how this invalidates that rumor at all.
Surtur wrote:I really do like the tervigon/tyrannofex. The hive tyrant hasn't changed which is nice, I liked how it looked. It's unfortunate that the wings take up a weapon set on the model
They take up the top limbs, but there's no real reason for a flying model to have legs. Just look at gargoyles (or FW shrikes).
This will also be the reason the flyrant is posed to sit on the tail alone, so you can put weapons on the lower limbs like the scytals it already has on the pic.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
It's definitely a shame. Unless, of course, the transportofex was a Harpy variant all along
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
How does it put the Transportofex rumours to bed? For all we know GW could release the Transportofex at a later date. I don't see how this invalidates that rumor at all.
The rumour said that the Tervigon would be a combined kit with the transport bug, and the t-fex would be separate.
Fishboy wrote:I think the thick glue tends to fill gaps better (another finecast fis?) and dries a little slower then the thin set does.
I suppose it does fill gaps better, but at the price of a mess Definitely dries slower though. Anyone have any comparison of the bonds they make? I'd actually imagine thin glue is tighter, since you don't get crystalized pieces of glue that can snap apart....
Moloch wrote:
A while indeed. Oh and yes, I fought long and hard for the Tyrannofex to get named Exocrine. Obviously that battle was lost...
No so sure that was a bad thing. It leaves the Exocrine name for a Gargantuan Creature with a single large gun
that Forge World might make some day...
Of course, another possibility is that they did not want everyone who has a resin Exocrine to pull it out and say: "I already have one, so there is no reason to buy the new kit." ;-)
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
How does it put the Transportofex rumours to bed? For all we know GW could release the Transportofex at a later date. I don't see how this invalidates that rumor at all.
The rumour said that the Tervigon would be a combined kit with the transport bug, and the t-fex would be separate.
That is true, but did all of the rumours suggest it was only going to be released as a Dual Kit with the Tervigon?
Surtur wrote:I really do like the tervigon/tyrannofex. The hive tyrant hasn't changed which is nice, I liked how it looked. It's unfortunate that the wings take up a weapon set on the model
They take up the top limbs, but there's no real reason for a flying model to have legs. Just look at gargoyles (or FW shrikes).
This will also be the reason the flyrant is posed to sit on the tail alone, so you can put weapons on the lower limbs like the scytals it already has on the pic.
I just assumed those were funky little feet. But a Hive Tyrant would need to land. Gargs are expendable. Hive tyrants less so (lots of biomass). I imagine they would need to rest their wings occasionally. Could be wrong though.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
How does it put the Transportofex rumours to bed? For all we know GW could release the Transportofex at a later date. I don't see how this invalidates that rumor at all.
The rumour said that the Tervigon would be a combined kit with the transport bug, and the t-fex would be separate.
That is true, but did all of the rumours suggest it was only going to be released as a Dual Kit with the Tervigon?
It was an amalgamation of rumours. IIRC, the WD editior let slip Tyranids would get a beasty that 'filled a gap they always had'. Stickmonkey said he'd seen the Tervigon and Tyrannofex and couldn't see how it would be a dual kit. Someone else said that a new beast with rules by Phil Kelly would be done. I think people just filled the gaps and the rumour started itself that it would be a dual Tervigon/something else. The idea of a transport came from the initial 'a gap the Tyranids never had'. With the Tyrannofex in the book covering long range anti tank, the only gap left they never had was some kind of ground transport.
abhus wrote:Y´know i think it would look epic if you would convert the Tervigon/Tyrannofex to a Carnifex (Tervigon/Tyrannofex with Carnifex weapons).
That sounds like fun!
Another conversion possibility is converting Tfexes to Heirodules. Two rupture cannons, two large Scytals, perhaps Carnifex legs to drop the rear end down a bit and uparmor the tail with green stuff might give a passable Barbed Heirodule.
Wow, the Tervigon and Tyrannofex kits look pretty sweet, and a nice nod to the design of the Hierophant. I actually used a Scythed Hierodule as a 'counts-as' Tyrannofex for a while, even if it did result in it getting shot to death quicker. Swarmlord is underwhelming though; just echoing what most people have said but his bonesabres look too small and I don't know if you can make a dynamic pose with this kit. I'm not sure on the Flyrant; I guess I'm still used to the old conversions and FW kits where they still had legs.
Really odd to see the Red Terror going Finecast though; seems an odd choice considering it's not even in the Codex (I think the Codex alluded to the likelihood of the Terror being a Mawloc instead of a unique species?)
Nice to see some good stuff for Nids players though; way too late for me (I sold off most of mine and this Codex didnt sit right with me at all- namely Lictors who couldn't appear and assault in the same turn ). At least this helps people who don't want to rely on 3rd party kits/GS skills to make some of the units.
Chapterhouse wrote:Ill buy a Tyranofex kit, but again, I have 3 Tervigons-Chapterhouse kits, 2+ years later is a kick in the balls. HOLY COW-$70.00 US?!
That's 70 canadian. Its 57.75US, the same price as a Trygon. And considering your 'tervigon' costs 75+....
lol really? $25 for the chapterhouse kit (CAD is doing better than USD last I checked... least with my ebay orders this weekend ), $17 for the side ribs from hoardobits , $16 for the legs from hoardobits, $6 for the Scything talons from hoard o bits, and if you've even purchased ONE carnifex, you will have far more than enough heads left over makes chapterhouse + bits a total = $64, about ~$5 cheaper than the GW official one. Not much in savings, but still a savings.
Like I said, I wont be buying any GW Tervigons... MAYBE one down the road, but most def will be picking up 1-2 of the boxes for Tyrannofexes
All kits (Tyrant/Swarmlord & Tervi/Tyranno) are absolutely stunning though. Well done GW
Neith wrote:(I think the Codex alluded to the likelihood of the Terror being a Mawloc instead of a unique species?)
I like to think of the Red Terror as a 'prototype', that is to say if the Hive Mind comes up against something unusual it makes a creature to defeat that obstacle. If that obstacle proves to be unique, the creature is never seen again. If it finds a general use for that creature, or finds that obstacle appearing in other places, then it refines it and makes a 'production version'. So Red Terror is the Mk.I Mawloc in a lot of ways.
It's a bit hard for me to tell, but the Terv/Tyrann appears to be on an oval MC base, correct?
I'm loving these releases. I might pick up a Tyrant to make into a Swarmlord (since my current 2 Tyrants are 2nd edition dudes). I won't be buying any new Terv/Tyrann kits soon, since I already converted what I need...and actualy my Tervigons already look pretty damn close to the actual kit...excellent! I just need to move the gun off my Tyrannofex's back and have it holding the gun now...I'm on it!
Even though I don't play SW, those wolf models looks really nice.
Stickmonkey said he'd seen the Tervigon and Tyrannofex and couldn't see how it would be a dual kit.
Which really makes you wonder. I mean, looking at the two I can't see how they wouldn't be a dual kit?
I know. the first thing I thought when I saw it was 'how did he not see this as a dual kit?'. I could imagine the confusion if the chimneys were different or something, but it's basically a head and belly swap, and different front arms.
Also, I realized I'm going to need at least 3 more boxes of Termagants.
Zoned wrote:And be more accurate in terms of scale, since the Tervigon is supposed to be larger than a Carnifex.
I'd be raising issues on this alone. The Tervigon model is almost as tall as a Trygon. The Chapterhouse kit makes a fat Carnifex - and if done properly, hunched forwards, and significantly shorter. There's going to be a lot of complaints now about modelling for advantage when using that conversion kit.
d be raising issues on this alone. The Tervigon model is almost as tall as a Trygon. The Chapterhouse kit makes a fat Carnifex - and if done properly, hunched forwards, and significantly shorter. There's going to be a lot of complaints now about modelling for advantage when using that conversion kit.
Honestly, for me I wouldn't have an issue as long as they rebase it, and even then it would only be an issue for me in a tourney. I really don't think it's game breaking enough to cause a fuss about it.
I am now considering not getting FW dread for one of these. Or I may just wait till Xmas. Also are there any shrikes about and when the March WD oyt?
Forgeworld sells Warrior wings, all you need is those and a Warrior kit, then BAM! Shrikes.
Forgeworlds Warrior wings are really nice. I totally missed the news about finecast dual bonesword and bonesword/lash arms. I might have to order a set each, since I have 2 sets of Warrior wings. I'm hesitant to run them in squads bigger than 3 due to hiding bigger squads being difficult, so 3 each of dual bonesword and bonesword/lashwhip should give me some flexibility.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Remember Loki - you'll have to pay local prices for those. I'd consider alternative swords/whips made by other companies.
Local prices I'm guessing are going to be the #33 bracket, which is about what I paid for my warrior wings. I don't mind too much.
I have a weird self imposed rule for buying locally. I'll do it up to about $75. This covers usual impulse buys that I can get away with from the missus. Anything more than that, and I go overseas.
So the Tervigon and Carnifex kits I want, I'll be going to Dicebucket. Locally, that's what, $280? Dicebicket, with postage, it's about $150. The missus will be okay with it if I tell her I'm saving almost 50%.
I need Termagants, and I'll probably grab a box a week for a while. That's $40. That's an impulse buy.
-Loki- wrote:I need Termagants, and I'll probably grab a box a week for a while. That's $40. That's an impulse buy.
Why bother? It is such a huge rip-off.
How many boxes are you going to get? 4? 6? Let's be conservative nad say 4. That's 4x$40 for 48 miniatures. $160. For +$15 and a bit of shipping you can get double that.
I do not see the sense in buying anything locally when you can get it overseas at nearly half the cost. For a Direct Only model, sure, especially now that GW inflates their shipping because they're a bunch of witches, but for anything you can get around the world and don't specifically need to get from a GW store, there is simply no point. You are pissing your money away.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
How does it put the Transportofex rumours to bed? For all we know GW could release the Transportofex at a later date. I don't see how this invalidates that rumor at all.
The rumour said that the Tervigon would be a combined kit with the transport bug, and the t-fex would be separate.
That is true, but did all of the rumours suggest it was only going to be released as a Dual Kit with the Tervigon?
It was an amalgamation of rumours. IIRC, the WD editior let slip Tyranids would get a beasty that 'filled a gap they always had'. Stickmonkey said he'd seen the Tervigon and Tyrannofex and couldn't see how it would be a dual kit. Someone else said that a new beast with rules by Phil Kelly would be done. I think people just filled the gaps and the rumour started itself that it would be a dual Tervigon/something else. The idea of a transport came from the initial 'a gap the Tyranids never had'. With the Tyrannofex in the book covering long range anti tank, the only gap left they never had was some kind of ground transport.
That sounds about right from what I remember. I don't really see how anyone could say the Tyrannofex and Tervigon were two completely different kits. They look almost exactly the same and no one knows for a fact if its a transport. In fact I'd say the gap they've always had is no vehicles in general. I know its Nids and they aren't supposed to have that, but it is the most obvious gap.
-Loki- wrote:I need Termagants, and I'll probably grab a box a week for a while. That's $40. That's an impulse buy.
Why bother? It is such a huge rip-off.
How many boxes are you going to get? 4? 6? Let's be conservative nad say 4. That's 4x$40 for 48 miniatures. $160. For +$15 and a bit of shipping you can get double that.
I keep overlooking this store. I was actually looking at 4 boxes (with my current box, that puts me at 60 Termagants, plenty for 20 Devilgaunts and the rest Tervigon spawn). And I noticed that place actually does have a x4 set of Termagants. So thanks for reminding me. I've got to bookmark these guys when I get home.
You seem to know about these guys - how long does it take them to get new releases up? I'd buy a x2 or x3 of the Tervigon kit from them. And do they stack postage? Say, if I got a x2 Carnifex kit and a x2 tervigon kit, do they stack the postage of both?
My main reason I buy locally is because I love my FLGS, and like supporting them. They get all my infinity money, and hobby supply money though.
Then let them happily keep your Infinity and hobby supplies money. I see no reason to give them or anyone local money for GW product, not until they restructure their pricing bands to be global.
In any case, I'm not sure about new releases with these guys. I've actually not used them myself, but a couple of the guys in my group have used them multiple times and swear by them. I can't imagine it will be too long.
Additionally, they can modify bundles for you, or make special ones. If you want a 6xGaunts bundle, they'll do it.
Zoned wrote:Hey Cryage, did you take into account shipping?
Hell, I'd pay an extra $5 more just to be able to drive down to the local store and be able to pick one up and build it the same night.
And probably be able to get a ton of extra bits in the process.
And be more accurate in terms of scale, since the Tervigon is supposed to be larger than a Carnifex.
Yeah you're right, totally forgot about the shipping.
If I didn't have the CH kits, and it was between CH and GW, absolutely go GW. Since I do have 3x CH kits, I honestly cannot justify $210 CAD to buy 3 models that I already have perfectly good proxies. Anybody at the GW store give me flack, well they can pound sand since it took GW 2 years to get us these models, not to mention the kit is about 50% GW bits and 50% CH for the "bulk"
As for scaling, i'm sure it will be pretty similar. it's mounted on an oval base
Size comparison between Hormagant, Carnifex, CH Tervigon:
Looks pretty close in size to the GW one.
Sasori wrote:
d be raising issues on this alone. The Tervigon model is almost as tall as a Trygon. The Chapterhouse kit makes a fat Carnifex - and if done properly, hunched forwards, and significantly shorter. There's going to be a lot of complaints now about modelling for advantage when using that conversion kit.
Honestly, for me I wouldn't have an issue as long as they rebase it, and even then it would only be an issue for me in a tourney. I really don't think it's game breaking enough to cause a fuss about it.
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Like I said, CH provided oval bases for their tervi's , so no issues
edit: Also -Loki- ,I've purchased LOTS from that ebay seller and have had NOTHING but exceptional service and delivery times. Going across the ocean may take awhile, but its WELL worth the savings.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Then let them happily keep your Infinity and hobby supplies money. I see no reason to give them or anyone local money for GW product, not until they restructure their pricing bands to be global.
In any case, I'm not sure about new releases with these guys. I've actually not used them myself, but a couple of the guys in my group have used them multiple times and swear by them. I can't imagine it will be too long.
Additionally, they can modify bundles for you, or make special ones. If you want a 6xGaunts bundle, they'll do it.
Do you know if they mix bundles? I've seen their army deals. If they could do 2 Tervigons, a Carnifex and 4 Termagant boxes, I'd drop the money on it in a heartbeat.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Then let them happily keep your Infinity and hobby supplies money. I see no reason to give them or anyone local money for GW product, not until they restructure their pricing bands to be global.
In any case, I'm not sure about new releases with these guys. I've actually not used them myself, but a couple of the guys in my group have used them multiple times and swear by them. I can't imagine it will be too long.
Additionally, they can modify bundles for you, or make special ones. If you want a 6xGaunts bundle, they'll do it.
Do you know if they mix bundles? I've seen their army deals. If they could do 2 Tervigons, a Carnifex and 4 Termagant boxes, I'd drop the money on it in a heartbeat.
I know sometimes they mix bundles, could always msg the sellar and see what they can do
It's so nice that you're defending my honour, but just to clarify, I saved the pics to my HD from links provided a few posts above my first picture post so that I could re-post them for the work-blocked. That's the extend of my 'heroism' in this thread. I was just helping the work-blocked. The pics did not originally come from me.
darknightwing wrote:So are we going to get rules for the Red Terror now that they recast it?
The rules are already in the codex.
Hint - he's a Mawloc.
So we can use a Red Terror as a Mawloc? I look at my Red Terror and my Mawloc and wonder who would be ok with that?
I don't know who would be, but I've seen an awesome conversion of a Trygon/Mawloc into the Red Terror. Basically involves a Mawloc, Carnifex shell piece (for the shape of the head), and big scything talons.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
Wish we had a better view on the T-Fex, because I actually liked the idea of the gun being part of the jaw. But he and the Tervigon look like their artwork and I've got no complaints about that at all, can't wait to get one.
Still, these things seem massive, and I'm loving how both of them look. The Tyrant kit looks nice as well... I was really hoping for a physically larger presence from the swarmlord though... guess he's getting his own base to put him above the other Tyrants. But the wings look perfect for nids and frankly are long overdue.
Now... as to the singular complaint... those boneswords and lashwhips better look amazing. Because I have a sneaky suspicion that they just took the old 3rd ed warrior arms and recast them; those are NOT worth that price.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess that puts those "Transportofex" rumours to bed, along with the "The Tervigon and Tyrannofex aren't a combined kit" reports as well.
And dont forget Harpy.
Ghost21 have pretty bad eye sight to be so wrong
I think we could forgive him for the Harpy, it could easily be confused with the flying Tyrant at a casual glance.
Not that I believe for a moment that ghost21 ever actually saw anything. Just saying.
I have a magnetized tyrant that can take wings/devourers/boneswords so the only use for the new flyrant would be as a harpy.
I have built 2 of my own tervigons from carnifexes so won't buy one now that's so different in size. Mine are on oval bases and with a similar stat-line to the carnifex I have no problem over size.
Now the TFex looks a sweet model, shame it's a 265 point WS3 no twin-linked ball of overcosted fail in game terms though. Still I'm liikely to get 1 for friendly stuff though.
Im pretty impressed with how the Nid sculpts turned out. Seriously, those look awesome. The only problem now is, why are they so friggin expensive? Sheesh!
N.I.B. wrote:Bye bye 4++ cover save for Tervigons.
Say hi to 4+ cover for trygons (as tervis look big enough to obscure them now)
Your 200 point close combat monster is winning, crawling around behind your lines? I assume you're joking, even then it makes me sad.
Sorry, but where and when did I say it was crawling behind my lines? Nice presumption, but it kinda shows a lack of experience as a Tyranid player. Depending on the opponent's army, I'll often advance my Tervis (and obviously Trygons) to go up and combat things/keep catalyst up, then move off to assault other stuff once in midfield. With intelligent screening, your opponent won't get your tervis into combats they don't want to be in. What about Tyrannofexen as well, as they're big enough to offer cover too? Again, it's sometimes a good idea to advance them up (for stuff like mid-game anti-infantry shooting) and Trygons will get the cover benefits as well. If you're really that concerned about moving the Tervis up, but still want cover for them, I recommend careful positioning of the Trygons to screen the Tervis and/or Venomthropes.
After picking up the new white dwarf I must say; those new models are awesome! I also like the black\yellow paintscheme for tyrannids that phil kelly has used for his. Another army added to the list of stuff I want to have at some point in the future
... and here three alternative pics on the Tyrannofex and Tervigon (first Tervi by Phil Kelly, second one from the painting article):
Also I can confirm that there are no extra rules for any new Tyranid monster in the WD, they just copied the rules from Tervigon and Tyrannofex on one page each for whatever reason. The third weapon option is indeed the Hive thingy.
Its a shame that the Lash Whips are only for the right arm, when I know they could have made both right armed bits and left armed bits. Now I'm going to have to convert the left arm for both of my Tyrant Guard.
WOW. I think it all looks good, and while I'm no fan of the Space Rednecks, I'm glad they finally got the models they've waited so long for.
Even MORE glad to see them new bugs though! The Tervie-fex is great, as is the Tyrant. definitely makes getting back into a Nid-zilla force more appealing.
Now when do I get to see Newcrons Wave 2? Now that SW and Nids fans can't complain any longer, can I complain? (Kidding - I'm glad that they finally filled these egregious holes in these armies. Here's hoping in the future there isn't this kind of delay).
catharsix wrote:Now that SW and Nids fans can't complain any longer, can I complain?
Well the 'Nids are still missing models for the Harpy, Mycetic Spore, Doom of Malant'tai, Parasite of Mortrex and to a lesser extent the Tyranid Prime and a couple of biomorphs. Not to mention some plastic versions of all that finecast stuff. So I'm sure they're not done 'complaining' for a while.
catharsix wrote:Now when do I get to see Newcrons Wave 2? Now that SW and Nids fans can't complain any longer, can I complain? (Kidding - I'm glad that they finally filled these egregious holes in these armies. Here's hoping in the future there isn't this kind of delay).
Yeah, I'm happy for SW and Nid players, but in my heart of hearts...I just selfishly want my Necron wave 2. This release means its probably at least 2 months out.
Tervigon is still one of the most idiotic concepts GW has ever came up with. I can get around Wolf-riding Wolves and such, perhaps. But "birthing" troops with fully loaded guns is just out there. What stopped them from doing the same idea with Hormagaunts?
Red Comet wrote:Its a shame that the Lash Whips are only for the right arm, when I know they could have made both right armed bits and left armed bits. Now I'm going to have to convert the left arm for both of my Tyrant Guard.
No - Buy a venomthrope and give it one set of lash whips (all it needs to be wisiwyg) and give the other set to your tyrant guard. It costs more per model but you only need 2 or 3, and you get a venomthrope!
catharsix wrote:WOW. I think it all looks good, and while I'm no fan of the Space Rednecks, I'm glad they finally got the models they've waited so long for.
Even MORE glad to see them new bugs though! The Tervie-fex is great, as is the Tyrant. definitely makes getting back into a Nid-zilla force more appealing.
Now when do I get to see Newcrons Wave 2? Now that SW and Nids fans can't complain any longer, can I complain? (Kidding - I'm glad that they finally filled these egregious holes in these armies. Here's hoping in the future there isn't this kind of delay).
-C6
Necrons 2nd wave will be filling the "never gonna happen" slot that Tyranid 2nd wave previously filled.*
*I hope not, I wouldn't wish long waiting periods for needed models on anyone.
Zweischneid wrote:Tervigon is still one of the most idiotic concepts GW has ever came up with. I can get around Wolf-riding Wolves and such, perhaps. But "birthing" troops with fully loaded guns is just out there. What stopped them from doing the same idea with Hormagaunts?
I sort of understand what you mean, but I think any Tyranid with a gun is born with it, its a biological weapon that is part of their bodies just for some reason they decided to look a lot like ...well.. guns
I try to think of a Tervigon as a transport as well as a womb. develops the gants inside it untill fully (as in ready for war) grown. Then it simply carries them about.
I guess whoever leaked a Transportofex had the same idea and didn't express it right.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So likelyhood chance of us eventually getting a redone Warriors box with resized weapons, wings and parts for a Prime is high?
Seeing as they just filled in the missing weapon parts, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So likelyhood chance of us eventually getting a redone Warriors box with resized weapons, wings and parts for a Prime is high?
Seeing as they just filled in the missing weapon parts, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.
Agreed. There is no reason to release a prime. Everything you need to make one is available.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:So likelyhood chance of us eventually getting a redone Warriors box with resized weapons, wings and parts for a Prime is high?
Seeing as they just filled in the missing weapon parts, I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.
Agreed. There is no reason to release a prime. Everything you need to make one is available.
This same argument could be made for space marine commanders. Who I notice have their own box. For 1 model.
Nice! No reason to make them for a tyrant, since the kit comes with four of them Oops, I thought I left the picture of the lash whips and bone swords, lol.
Marrak wrote:
This same argument could be made for space marine commanders. Who I notice have their own box. For 1 model.
I think there is a big difference between a commander with lots of iconographic/wargear options that looks distinctly different from his counterparts and a tyranid prime, who is an evolved warrior with a few wargear options.
That and you can't really compare marines to xenos in terms of army-release love.
Oh, that Tyrannofex's anterior plate looks independent and removable like the Carnifex and Trygon. That would make the Exocrine-Tyrannofex variant/conversion so much easier.
I'm guessing that place is a separate piece for the StingerSalvo/ClusterSpines option on both the Tervigon and the Tyrannofex.
Although I still think GW will be doing an update at some point, Wings to scale, and regardless of options being out there. A prime head, body option would make sense in a plastic kit, unless they just release a finecast one at some point.
I agree its probably a long term release though, just with the Tyrant, the idea of a couple of winging Warrior squads, and an eventually released Harpy is very appealing.
Marrak wrote:
This same argument could be made for space marine commanders. Who I notice have their own box. For 1 model.
I think there is a big difference between a commander with lots of iconographic/wargear options that looks distinctly different from his counterparts and a tyranid prime, who is an evolved warrior with a few wargear options.
That and you can't really compare marines to xenos in terms of army-release love.
well to start with we don't actually know what the warrior prime looks like e.g it may have completely different body amour and positioning compared to the normal warrior.The space marine commander is hardly any different from a marine at all, you could very easily make several from a box of tactical marines as the shape of him or his amour inst going to be different from a standard marine whereas tyranids have many different amour types(compared to space marines standard guys and terminators who look pretty similar anyway)The commander pack is just a marine with a lot of bits but the warrior prime has the potential to be a completely different model to the warrior.
Zweischneid wrote:What stopped them from doing the same idea with Hormagaunts?
The prospect to explain a storm ramp vagina to children and their parents
Necron 2nd wave seems May now.
BTW I will buy two Tervi kits, make one a tervigon, the other a tyrannofex with two exemplars of the tank hunter gun sticking from the back (2 shots!) and the hive thingy feet in front as the thorax weapon. Looks more balanced that way.
Vitruvian XVII wrote:I actually will get a few of those lash whips, hate the third party ones and hadnt found a good way to make my own.
I bought some random nid bits from ebay and used the 'feeder' arms from the large MC venom cannon. You can even lengthen it with a paperclip-wireframe and greenstuff.
Then throw a few spikes on the end for good measure.
flyingsquirrels wrote:
well to start with we don't actually know what the warrior prime looks like e.g it may have completely different body amour and positioning compared to the normal warrior.The space marine commander is hardly any different from a marine at all, you could very easily make several from a box of tactical marines as the shape of him or his amour inst going to be different from a standard marine whereas tyranids have many different amour types(compared to space marines standard guys and terminators who look pretty similar anyway)The commander pack is just a marine with a lot of bits but the warrior prime has the potential to be a completely different model to the warrior.
I imagine that comparing a warrior prime to a regular warrior would be like comparing an ork warboss to a nob. A bigger, beefier version of the same thing.
But yes, there are some great conversion opportunities here. Thanks to those plastic hive tyrant wings and tail, making a Harpy just got a whole lot easier. Really, I don't see why a winged Hive Tyrant with no arms and Stranglethorn/Venom Cannons attached to its torso couldn't already be a Harpy.
i found an easy and effective way of making a tyranid prime (albeit not the most cost effective) is to use the body and head of a ravener, ontop of the usual warrior bits, give him whatever weapons and upgrades you want and hey presto, instant tyranid prime, would post pics but i sold him some time ago, kicking myself now though, loving the new stuff, and will be hard pressed not to start up again =p, in the meantime ill see if i can find a pic of him =)
Kroothawk wrote:
BTW I will buy two Tervi kits, make one a tervigon, the other a tyrannofex with two exemplars of the tank hunter gun sticking from the back (2 shots!) and the hive thingy feet in front as the thorax weapon. Looks more balanced that way.
Well, it's been way too long a wait but the models look incredible and I'm glad for all the tyrannid players who've been suffering without some of their better codex options.
N.I.B. wrote:Bye bye 4++ cover save for Tervigons.
Say hi to 4+ cover for trygons (as tervis look big enough to obscure them now)
Your 200 point close combat monster is winning, crawling around behind your lines? I assume you're joking, even then it makes me sad.
Sorry, but where and when did I say it was crawling behind my lines?
When you said it crawled around behind your Tervigon, of course. Which means it's deployed 3.75" from your front line, 4.75" if your Tervigon for some reason is deployed with his oval base pointing forwards. I assume you haven't actually fielded Trygons in a tournament, or you'd realize how important every inch is, in getting them into combat before they're gunned down. You win and lose games depending on the run rolls of Trygons. They are deployed as far forward as possible to provide pressure and target saturation.
In your case, your Trygon is also slowed down by bad run rolls from your Tervigon screen. It's just not a viable play. Trygons are iffy and random even when deployed 24" from the enemy.
And no, a Trygon can't even screen a custom-made Tervigon (assuming the standard Carnifex conversions). Have you seen the Trygon lower body? It's slender and snake-like. I can't imagine it screening the new - twice the size - Nosavigon either. So please stop this sillyness. If you want 5+ cover save for your Nosavigon before 6th ed, you're forced to include Venomthropes or possibly Gargoyles, or hug some generous terrain piece.
I intend on purchasing 3 of the tervigons, 2 of the tyrannofexes and a few of the HTs. Now to just explain to my wife where all our grocery money went.
Trygons can be actually quite good with a Tervigon, as long as it has Onslaught.
Seriously, a psychic power that allows it to shoot 6 Str 5 AP 5 shots at 12", followed by a run and assault? From as WS 5, Str 6, Int 4 MC with 6 attacks and rerolling hits? With the Prime firing twice as many shots? Plus the Birthed gants.
Mate, at short range that combo is lethal. And for less than you might think. About 400pts but it seems like it should be more.
I personally think both MaxMini and PuppetsWar have the best Mycetic Spores for conflicting reasons. Pity that they aren't very compatible with one another.
Sure, like the GW drop pod is scaled to fit a Dreadnought or 10 Marines?
Until GW release an official model, scale for the pod isn't going to be consistent. Like the Tervigon before release - Kroothawk uses that old russian sculpt that is now about 4" too short.
-Loki- wrote:My main problem with the CH pod is it looks like a... specific part of the female anatomy. Covered in smaller ones. With tentacles emerging from them.
I'm not entirely sure why that's a bad thing. It's not realistic enough to be tastless.
I find it endearing.
Regardless, I still think Navarro should have done his other Spore design for CH.
-Loki- wrote:My main problem with the CH pod is it looks like a... specific part of the female anatomy. Covered in smaller ones. With tentacles emerging from them.
What kind of disgusting women have you been with!!! lol i keed i keed!
but I would say they look awfully bland, but way better sculpted than any of the third-party offerings.
