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Does anyone else see the less than optimal new Chaos Codex as GW getting ready to release individual supplements for different legions?
SM armies have had them for years, and because they have taken out all the individual rules for armies, I think that they might be getting ready to release Codex:World Eaters and so on. If so, I'll probably get mine last, as an IW player...
I know that this probably wont happen very soon, as there is the Daemons codex coming out now, but its possible.
Opinions?

Edit: Less than

I dunno. There's a certain logic there, but I'd guess not. The reasons being - goes against trend (they're streamlining I think, however I don't play 40k, it's just what I read here), and it's unprecidented, maybe because CSM don't sell as much as spase marinez! do.

On the one hand, that sounds awesome. On the other hand, do we really need 4-9 more Space Marine army lists?

Is this forum for rumors or requests?

I believe Jervis already stated that GW plans to do the Chaos Legions for the 4 Major Powers:
- World Eaters (Khorne)
- Death Guard (Nurgle)
- Emperors Children (Slaanesh)
- Thousand Sons (Tzeentch)

And I believe that this pronouncement was discussed in great detail, with many people whining about how this was crap because the non-aligned Legions and LatD weren't getting anything.

Of course, if Jervis has been sacked (1), I guess we'll NEVER see anything, and everybody will just have to be content with the occasional Apocalypse Datasheet.


(1. I know he hasn't)

We all know Space Marines are the biggest seller, but what is second? If it is Chaos I imagine it is possible so they can do like Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and the others. Until there is more info one way or the other I would just plan on it not happening.

Haven't a couple of the design studio folk said that they plan to do god-specific legion codecies sometime "in the future?" Of course, this will probably be after the LatD codex comes out.

Since Jervis "promised" I'd say...

probably not.

i though tit woudl be a more a 'powers of chaos book going into depth about each god

That would actually be really cool, at the very least I could see them giving the legions their daemons back as well as making a full khorne army more viable than it is now.

Pariah Press wrote: On the one hand, that sounds awesome. On the other hand, do we really need 4-9 more Space Marine army lists?

Honestly I would rather have them in the codex as well, but this method allows GW to leech more money off us, and they will leap at any opportunity to do that... :S

Ahtman wrote:We all know Space Marines are the biggest seller, but what is second? If it is Chaos I imagine it is possible so they can do like Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and the others. Until there is more info one way or the other I would just plan on it not happening.

Chuck Norris is so awesome he is second to himself.

Same with Marines.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I believe Jervis already stated that GW plans to do the Chaos Legions for the 4 Major Powers

Alright JohnHwangDD, enough is enough. JUST STOP. You keep on repeating this like it's established fact and I have yet to see you produce one shred of evidence to support this claim. Now I have no doubt that you have seen statements attributed to Jervis in which he mentions something about the Chaos legions maybe getting something someday - I have seen several myself. But what I have NEVER seen is anything - not even a 2nd-hand account - indicating that the Chaos legions will be getting codices. What I have seen is a whole lot of speculation and wishful thinking.

I can certainly see where you might have gotten this notion. First Jervis makes some vague statement at some GW event about plans for the Chaos legions. Somebody then posts their recollection of this statement on the internets - GW is looking at revisiting the Chaos legions! Then from there somebody jumps to the conclusion that this statment must imply the Chaos legions are getting their own codices; they then go on to rationalize why this interpretation makes sense. Then somebody else goes on to speculate what these codices might look like - how many there will be, what units will be in them, etc. And so on and so forth. People start discussing it like it's established fact. Maybe somewhere along the line someone jumps in and points out that Jervis didn't actually say anything definite and that he certainly didn't say that any future support would take the form of codices per se - but by now the fanbois are in wishlist mode and that person is summarily ignored.

So until you provide some solid proof I am going to have to go ahead and assume that you got this "rumor" from some 200+ pg monstrosity of a thread on Warseer in which the usual mob of excitable fanbois latched on to some vague offhand remark and spun it into their own elaborate fantasy world (as they are wont to do over on the Warseer). Now one last time - where is your proof?

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I believe Jervis already stated that GW plans to do the Chaos Legions for the 4 Major Powers

Alright JohnHwangDD, enough is enough. JUST STOP. You keep on repeating this like it's established fact and I have yet to see you produce one shred of evidence to support this claim. Now I have no doubt that you have seen statements attributed to Jervis in which he mentions something about the Chaos legions maybe getting something someday - I have seen several myself. But what I have NEVER seen is anything - not even a 2nd-hand account - indicating that the Chaos legions will be getting codices. What I have seen is a whole lot of speculation and wishful thinking.

I can certainly see where you might have gotten this notion. First Jervis makes some vague statement at some GW event about plans for the Chaos legions. Somebody then posts their recollection of this statement on the internets - GW is looking at revisiting the Chaos legions! Then from there somebody jumps to the conclusion that this statment must imply the Chaos legions are getting their own codices; they then go on to rationalize why this interpretation makes sense. Then somebody else goes on to speculate what these codices might look like - how many there will be, what units will be in them, etc. And so on and so forth. People start discussing it like it's established fact. Maybe somewhere along the line someone jumps in and points out that Jervis didn't actually say anything definite and that he certainly didn't say that any future support would take the form of codices per se - but by now the fanbois are in wishlist mode and that person is summarily ignored.

So until you provide some solid proof I am going to have to go ahead and assume that you got this "rumor" from some 200+ pg monstrosity of a thread on Warseer in which the usual mob of excitable fanbois latched on to some vague offhand remark and spun it into their own elaborate fantasy world (as they are wont to do over on the Warseer). Now one last time - where is your proof?

Well, look at this morose mother fether right here... smells like someone gak in his cereal. Sorry, I always wanted to use that quote from Jay in response to a Dakka rant, just good timing. Stupid profanity filter...

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I believe Jervis already stated that GW plans to do the Chaos Legions for the 4 Major Powers

Alright JohnHwangDD, enough is enough. JUST STOP. You keep on repeating this like it's established fact and I have yet to see you produce one shred of evidence to support this claim.... ...where is your proof?

Ahh... The beautiful internet lie machine in motion...
Rule #1 of the internets: Don't believe the internets.

DeathGod wrote:

Abbadabbadoobadon wrote:run of the mill Abbadabbadoobadon

Well, look at this morose mother fether right here... smells like someone gak in his cereal. Sorry, I always wanted to use that quote from Jay in response to a Dakka rant, just good timing. Stupid profanity filter...

I've never seen Abba rant. This looks like pretty run of the mill Abba posting to me.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

So until you provide some solid proof I am going to have to go ahead and assume that you got this "rumor" from some 200+ pg monstrosity of a thread on Warseer in which the usual mob of excitable fanbois latched on to some vague offhand remark and spun it into their own elaborate fantasy world (as they are wont to do over on the Warseer). Now one last time - where is your proof?

At Adepticon, in his seminar, Phil Kelly was asked if legions were ever going to get their own codices.

He replied that this was definitely a possibility in the future and the current Chaos Space Marine codex was specifically written to be the Chaos equivalent of the Ultramarine codex. . .it is the 'generic' book for Chaos renegade marines and that hopefully in the future they plan to revisit the chaos legions in some manner.

Later on in the seminar I asked him (in reference to the Inquisitorial codex idea) if it was in their 'sandbox' as a designer to ever have multiple army lists in a single codex again. His reply was that nothing was completely out of the question and they were thinking about many different possibilities but the chance of their being multiple lists in a single codex was very unlikely.

Sooo, according to Phil Kelly, GW definitely wants or plans to revisit the chaos legions in some form in the future separate from the current codex, but whether only some of the major legions get their own codex, all major legions get their own codex or they decide to put all the legions into a single book is something that remains to be seen.

Awesome. Provided that's true, then we just have to wait. Knowing GW, 3-4 years maybe?

**Cough** shameless plug **cough**

sorta on topic

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/211407.page

yakface wrote:At Adepticon, in his seminar, Phil Kelly was asked if legions were ever going to get their own codices.

He replied that this was definitely a possibility in the future and the current Chaos Space Marine codex was specifically written to be the Chaos equivalent of the Ultramarine codex. . .it is the 'generic' book for Chaos renegade marines and that hopefully in the future they plan to revisit the chaos legions in some manner.

So to paraphrase, it might be possible that hopefully someday in the future they'd really like to maybe look at giving the Chaos legions something. I notice that, according to your account, Phil Kelly never comes out and says chaos legions will be revisited in the future and that this will take the form of new codices. For all we know they might just get some datasheets and call it a day. Or this could be pie-in-the-sky "we'd like to do this and definitely would if we had infinite time and infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters"-type wishful thinking.

Even if we don't get legion specific codexes, I'd love to see a Codex: Traitor Legions, which would, naturally, cover the original Traitor Legions in all their warped glory.

Oh dear, its almost painful to read this, as Andy Chambers and Peter Haines are talking about all of the interesting new things they've done, all of which have been reversed by now...
Chaos Codex Designers notes

yakface wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

So until you provide some solid proof I am going to have to go ahead and assume that you got this "rumor" from some 200+ pg monstrosity of a thread on Warseer in which the usual mob of excitable fanbois latched on to some vague offhand remark and spun it into their own elaborate fantasy world (as they are wont to do over on the Warseer). Now one last time - where is your proof?

At Adepticon, in his seminar, Phil Kelly was asked if legions were ever going to get their own codices.

He replied that this was definitely a possibility in the future and the current Chaos Space Marine codex was specifically written to be the Chaos equivalent of the Ultramarine codex. . .it is the 'generic' book for Chaos renegade marines and that hopefully in the future they plan to revisit the chaos legions in some manner.

Later on in the seminar I asked him (in reference to the Inquisitorial codex idea) if it was in their 'sandbox' as a designer to ever have multiple army lists in a single codex again. His reply was that nothing was completely out of the question and they were thinking about many different possibilities but the chance of their being multiple lists in a single codex was very unlikely.

Sooo, according to Phil Kelly, GW definitely wants or plans to revisit the chaos legions in some form in the future separate from the current codex, but whether only some of the major legions get their own codex, all major legions get their own codex or they decide to put all the legions into a single book is something that remains to be seen.

So really, it's all based on weasal words at seminars by people who want to give the answers that the customers want to hear.

Honestly, no one can say that it will occur and if it does it won't be soon. Prior history has shown how resistant GW is to admitting an error was made (in this case removing the legions) so that will provide internal resistance right there. Existing releases will provide further resistance (new edition, overdue releases). The kiss of death will be the bean counters ("Didn't you do a release for the whole of the Chaos army last year? And a daemon book? Just release one of those data sheets, a whole release dedicated to a single legion won't be worth it)

Well, if I remember correctly this one was stated even before the Chaos Codex was released. What they "want" to do is have a codex for each of the powers, AND make add on sprues for each major power just like they did with Dark Angels. If I remember the source it was Gav before he left, and he also stated about the same thing as Phil. They want to, but it had yet to get the ok. They can only do what they are allowed to do. This is the plan they laid out, but the Chaos Codex and Daemon codex at that point were the only things with the ok.

They've been talking about doing sprues for the 4 powers for a very very long time. I seem to remember them mentioning it at the time of the release of the 3.5 ed back in 2002

That link made me sad...

"Looking at Chaos Space Marines we have genetically engineered supermen, trained to the highest standards, equipped with the finest weaponry, who had been part of a Great Crusade in which they were hailed as the saviours of Mankind. They are then corrupted, their all-so-human desires and frailties preyed upon by beings of consummate evil until they turn on their brothers and fight an apocalyptic civil war. The survivors are then hardened and embittered by defeat and exile. Damned by their sins, they must start to build anew, mastering the madness of the Eye of Terror and building their strength to strike back at the Imperium. What could be cooler than that?"

Well, I guess we now know that answer to what the current regime thinks would be "cooler"...

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

yakface wrote:At Adepticon, in his seminar, Phil Kelly was asked if legions were ever going to get their own codices.

He replied that this was definitely a possibility in the future and the current Chaos Space Marine codex was specifically written to be the Chaos equivalent of the Ultramarine codex. . .it is the 'generic' book for Chaos renegade marines and that hopefully in the future they plan to revisit the chaos legions in some manner.

So to paraphrase, it might be possible that hopefully someday in the future they'd really like to maybe look at giving the Chaos legions something. I notice that, according to your account, Phil Kelly never comes out and says chaos legions will be revisited in the future and that this will take the form of new codices. For all we know they might just get some datasheets and call it a day. Or this could be pie-in-the-sky "we'd like to do this and definitely would if we had infinite time and infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters"-type wishful thinking.

according to that logic Phil Kelly never comes out and says chaos legions will not be revisited in the future.. etc etc etc.. so basically you have no better argument than anyone else .. I could counter each sentence with a counter sentence, but at this point it's plain to see that some of us agree with yak and john and some of us agree with abadadaba... to the point that we all cancel each other out like typical rumormongering does.

They really wanted to do alien hunters, too.

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2305803#post2305803

2. I'm quoted as wanting to the do Codexes for the Chaos Legions, and 'if we're going to do them, we're going to do them right'. What was missed out was the context for this quote, which was that we felt (with hindsight) that the 3-4 pages given over to the variant Legion lists in the previous version of the Chaos Space Marine Codex was simply not enough space to do them anything like justice, and therefore we'd decided that 'if we are to do them, we're going to do them right'. This pretty much forced us to take the variant lists out of the new Chaos Space Marine Codex, and consider alternative ways of presenting the variant lists which would really give the Legions (and their background) the space required to explore them properly. And that's where we're at now: we'd like to be able to do books about the Legions, and we're considering how and when we should do them.

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2306033#post2306033

That's just the sort of question - gods or Legions - we're asking ourselves at the moment!

Given Gav's last comment, it's clear they don't even know where to start with the new books, so it would just be ideas at the moment. No concrete plans. Which means even if they started work on them right now, it would be a few years before we saw even one book. And they can't start work on them right now because they have so much other stuff to do first.
And by the time they get round to doing them, 40k will have changed direction once again and it will be time for the current Chaos Codex to get an update anyway.

I suspect these new Chaos books are about as likely as Codex: Alienhunters, Warhammer Armies: Chaos Dwarfs and Warhammer Armies: Dogs of War.

3 or 4 pages of variant lists for the original Traitor Legions wasn't enough space to do them justice, so this "forced" them to take them out?

So, ZERO pages does them... more justice?

And Chad, I fear you're right!

(I do wish they'd get around to Chaos Dwarfs too!)