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Don't know that I have any faith in this, but a couple guys on the local forums have said GW's supposidly said 'Nids are coming out in 2010, with one guy going so far as to say February. Anyone heard anything along these lines?

Some guys who work across the street from the sister in law of the mailman who lives two blocks from Jervis Johnson's pedicure might have heard.

But I can't confirm it.

Hang on, you hear that beeping? It's the BoLSdar locking in on this thread! It is now officially a rumour.

There has been a rumour floating around for quite some time that Nids would be the next army after Space Wolves. I do not believe there has been any confirmation to this rumour, but it does not seem to go away.

BrookM wrote:Hang on, you hear that beeping? It's the BoLSdar locking in on this thread! It is now officially a rumour.

Nah! Their system is slower. It'll be a rumour on the front page of Taco Bell next week.

Their will be pitch forks and riots if the codex after Space Wolves isn't a Xeno race.

Linkdead wrote:Their will be pitch forks and riots if the codex after Space Wolves isn't a Xeno race.

You know its gonna be marines

/sarcasm off

Yeah but seriously it would be great if nids was the next codex. I have been thinking about putting together a nid list but have been put off by how weak Hormagaunts are and while yes they get without number the regular gaunts aren't much better for what I want to do. I would prefer if they had some better anti-vehicle (acid loogie that acts like a melta, I mean it practicaly writes itself) and if they can field more cheap troops than any other army (in tyranid fluff it talks about them sacrficing themselves just to expend the ammunition of the enemy, by that reasoning they should even be able to outnumber the IG)

All in all i'm optimistic about next nid 'dex

The Unending wrote:All in all i'm optimistic about next nid 'dex

That's because you don't play them. I'm sure those that do are looking forward to having their Genestelaers nerfed, and all their Flyrants and DakkaFexes made illegal.

Nids in Feb? Sure, that works.

GW can't follow up SW immediately with BA, because the nerdrage of consecutive SM Codices would cause the universe to implode.

Necrons are too close to Marines, so they need to wait.

That leaves Nids as the most un-Marine of the Xenos to do.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's because you don't play them. I'm sure those that do are looking forward to having their Genestelaers nerfed, and all their Flyrants and DakkaFexes made illegal.

That would be interesting to see all the weeping and gnashing over that.


GG

H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's because you don't play them. I'm sure those that do are looking forward to having their Genestelaers nerfed, and all their Flyrants and DakkaFexes made illegal.

Between that and the neutering of the Chaos 'dex and the fact that the 'dex released after Space wolves wasn't Dark Eldar or necrons I think that this plane of existence could not contain the sheer amount of nerd rage which will create a tear in the fabric of reality which will cause GW to lower their prices, realease the new Squats, and for Chuck Norris and MR.T to cause the end of all of existence.

But seriously I think GW may (notice the word may) have learned their lesson from Chaos and not take the nerf bat to the Tyranids, but I could see them doing that which will make me a very sad person.

The Unending wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:


But seriously I think GW may (notice the word may) have learned their lesson from Chaos and not take the nerf bat to the Tyranids, but I could see them doing that which will make me a very sad person.

I bet money they pull the rug out from under the Nidzilla players...

CT GAMER wrote:

The Unending wrote:
But seriously I think GW may (notice the word may) have learned their lesson from Chaos and not take the nerf bat to the Tyranids, but I could see them doing that which will make me a very sad person.

I bet money they pull the rug out from under the Nidzilla players...

No way that I'm taking that bet.

OTOH, I imagine that gaunts will be awesome, and you'll need to buy a *LOT* of them...

But at least the 40+ Gargoyles you'll need to be competitive will be new plastic models.

Tyranids are nerfed to hell as it is. No anti-tank, expensive, weak and fragile troops. Expensive, fragile and generally useless Warrior genus creatures. Expensive, fragile Genestealers with nerfed rending. The only model we have capable of causing a penetrating hit at all against a Necron monolith is a Carnifex, and only then on a 5+ if you pay points for an upgrade, if you even manage to catch it in hth at all.

We really don't need a nerf, we need some updating and powering up to keep up with everyone else.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Unending wrote:All in all i'm optimistic about next nid 'dex

That's because you don't play them. I'm sure those that do are looking forward to having their Genestelaers nerfed, and all their Flyrants and DakkaFexes made illegal.

Genestealers were nerfed by 5th edition and the "new" rending. It makes me cry to watch them bounce off of boring old space marines.

Now, Feeder Tendrils will go up in price, as will Scuttlers (assuming that they don't just inherit Infiltrate).

Nidzilla is toast.

Railguns wrote:

We really don't need a nerf, we need some updating and powering up to keep up with everyone else.

What you "need" and what you will get are usually two very different things as GW has clearly demonstrated in past codex revisions...

GW will axe nidzilla and make gant spam all the rage with 4-5pt. gants, etc.

Apocalypse gives them a nice excuse to do it guilt fee: they will have Jervis in the rag telling all the crying nid players that they can still use all thos big 'nid beasties they spent gobs of cash on in their Apoc games...

See happy ending...

Nope Nids are getting a nerf. In fact I'd bet they're getting a double nerf like Lascans or Asscans.

You see people are using the Defile... errr Carnifex incorrectly by sitting back and shooting with them. So the ranged weapon costs will go up (especially the Devourer and any over S7) and come with Scything Talons.

I see the following changes:

Biovores become more useful so people will be forced to buy more metal models. Number allowed will increase.

Same with Raveners.

Feeder Tendrils will SKYROCKET in cost.

Genestealers will get an expensive upgrade that will let them strike like power weapons to fit in with the new Space Hulk rules.

Gaunts will become cheaper. Not any better, just a slight points drop.

Hormagaunts are changed only by dropping the BS stat, and becoming a couple points cheaper. No other change, because you already have to buy them with regular Gaunts.

Did I mention minimum Gaunt brood size went up to 15?

Gargoyles can some amazing ability you will really want, maybe even need (like bio-plasma acts as a melta weapon) They will NOT become plastic.

Venom cannon will stay nerfed.

A flamer template weapon will be added. It will be useful in the same way that lighting yourself on fire is useful.

Carnifexes will lose something. Maybe a Wound, maybe a point of Toughness. They will not lose any points cost.

These are my predictions as a Tyranid player.

CT GAMER wrote:GW will axe nidzilla and make gant spam all the rage with 4-5pt. gants, etc.

Apocalypse gives them a nice excuse to do it guilt fee: they will have Jervis in the rag telling all the crying nid players that they can still use all thos big 'nid beasties they spent gobs of cash on in their Apoc games...

Forget that - Nidzilla will be canned and then Jervis will wax philosophical in his Ivory Tower column how 'Nids are 'returning to their roots' as a horde army. He may even go so far as to blame the 'fringe tournament crowd' for ruining what was supposed to be a fun army with the 'Zilla Nids' (even though Zilla Nids only came about because GW had a new plastic Carnifex to sell).

And be prepared for the reign of Gaunts and Tyranid Warriors to begin. Swing that pendulum! YEEHA!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Unending wrote:All in all i'm optimistic about next nid 'dex

That's because you don't play them. I'm sure those that do are looking forward to having their Genestelaers nerfed, and all their Flyrants and DakkaFexes made illegal.

well i obviously wont be happy with the changes like that (and playing a genestealer heavy list, i know im definitely not going to like the changes they are likely to get) its definitely time for a change...
id like to see the book balance out a little more and have some choices actually be usable, and having the heavy hitters actually toned down a bit...



/wishlist on
and pl4stic g4rg0yles preeeez
/off

JohnHwangDD wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

The Unending wrote:
But seriously I think GW may (notice the word may) have learned their lesson from Chaos and not take the nerf bat to the Tyranids, but I could see them doing that which will make me a very sad person.

I bet money they pull the rug out from under the Nidzilla players...

No way that I'm taking that bet.

OTOH, I imagine that gaunts will be awesome, and you'll need to buy a *LOT* of them...

But at least the 40+ Gargoyles you'll need to be competitive will be new plastic models.

Not only that, but gaunts will be 8 models a box (and at $22). But at least you'll have the option of buying regular ones or hormies now!

Gargoyles will come in boxes of 5 for $45. They may not be much cheaper than the metals, but they're PLASTIC and have MORE DETAIL and CONVERTABILITY! So they're TOTALLY WORTH IT, honest!

avantgarde wrote:You see people are using the Defile... errr Carnifex incorrectly by sitting back and shooting with them. So the ranged weapon costs will go up (especially the Devourer and any over S7) and come with Scything Talons.

Um, what makes you think that Carnifexes will be allowed to take any ranged weapons at all?

How hard would it be for GW to change things so that only Warriors have access to long-ranged firepower?
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Mattlov wrote:Did I mention minimum Gaunt brood size went up to 15?

Gargoyles can some amazing ability you will really want, maybe even need (like bio-plasma acts as a melta weapon) They will NOT become plastic.

Carnifexes will lose something.

The minimum brood size will depend entirely on model packaging.

Gargoyles will become plastic and will get awesome options. They will be the "must have" 'feces of 5th Ed in order to sell shedloads of brand new plastics.

As above, Carnifexes should probably lose all R24+" guns. They will have the S7 Ap2 Bio-Plasma Template attack option.

I don't know the exact source or if it is utter BS but Cruddance is rumored to be working on the Tyranid codex. So I wouldn't be surprised with carnifex units and 5 point gaunts that have without number and fleshooks free, or some such.

winterman wrote:... but Cruddance is rumored to be working on the Tyranid codex

Sucks to be a Tyranid player then.

Codex: Arbitrary Mk.II

Genestealers will not see an increase in cost, but Rending is now an upgrade at 6 points per model. To compensate, their armor save will be reduced to 6+.

All living ammo weapons will lose the rule. Devourers will now cost 10 points per attack the model using it has.

All Gaunt genus models have the "Unending Horde" rule. Units comprised of gaunt models take 2x no retreat wounds when they lose combat.

I'm having nightmares already.

And this, my dear friends, is why I posted this thread - for this exact reason.

Don't worry - you'll just have to wait 5 years until your Codex gets redone.

Hope you've got a backup army on hand...

You guys are starting to build cynicism that's incongruent with your other cynicism.

"GW is mean-sucky, so they're going to nerf the army I play!"
"GW wants all my money, boo!"

Guys, have you not seen very obvious, consistent Codex creep for the last 2-3 releases? Orks dominated, now IG has everyone rushing out to buy Valkyries nine-at-a-time.

Do you seriously think Nids are going to get nerfed?

When in doubt, GW is trying to make money. They're not trying to ruin your list.

So, all the cynical "they're gonna nerf what people have, and buff what nobody bought," sure, all that is possible. But the one thing you can be sure of, is that there will be at least a few totally broken units/builds, and everyone will be just getting done crying about "Wolfburn" or "Wolfrush" or whatever the current uber-list is, just in time for the new Nid powerlist.

Orks moved from being below par from neglect and silliness to properly competitive.

But Guard aren't any more powerful than they were. They're about the same - they just win in different ways.

I think that Carnifexes will get more powerful, but will lose some of the current options (no Elite, No Dakkafex, etc.). This is to keep people buying their big plastic kit.

Gaunts and Tyranid Warriors will be buffed.

Genestealers will be (further) nerfed.

And I don't see it as incongruence Phryxis - it is very much an expression of the "they're gonna nerf what people have, and buff what nobody bought" side of things.