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So, GW released the new Tyranids codex with all-new models and the promises that they will "evolve to deal with those nasty tanks" in a heavily mechanized metagame.

The Tyranids got improved Zoanthropes and a single unit that competes for the most populated slot in the army (Elites) that has the only gun in the entire army capable of reliably taking out light tanks, the Hive Guard.


As a result, Hive Guards are sold out nationwide and are not be expected to be replenished until late March.


Meanwhile, IG Veteran squads everywhere rock 3 meltaguns per troop choice. Of course, they get to ride around in those same cars that Tyranids hate. Let's not even mention long fangs, powerklaws, chainfists, and all the other books in the game.


Bravo, GW.

Mmmkay?

Death Leaper's on the same backorder, and Chimeras are on a 1-2 week backorder right now.

*Corrected a mistake on the Chimeras. Death Leaper's on 3-4 week backorder, Chimeras 1-2. Whoops.

Kanluwen wrote:Mmmkay?

Death Leaper's on the same backorder, and Chimeras are on a 3-4 week backorder right now.

I would have listed Deathleaper, but he's been on backorder since December so it's not newsworthy. Of course, it doesn't help that he's our primary form of defense against Jaws of the World Wolf, a psychic power which specializes in turning off Tyranid armies (and thus a wildly popular option, second only to Hive Guard).

Kanluwen wrote:Mmmkay?
Chimeras are on a 3-4 week backorder right now.

Chimeras are on backorder because a new kit is coming out

So it really has NOTHING to do with any real news, just that different things are on a different shipping schedule.

It's always possible that the molds were damaged somehow, or there were casting issues. It happened back in the days of metal Scouts, where one particular Bolter equipped Scout(leaning back, with a sling wrapped around his left hand and firing with his right) suddenly vanished from blisters for a matter of months.

The reason? An issue with the mold was causing the sling to be miscast and the models had to be trashed till the mold was fixed.


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Vhalyar wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Mmmkay?
Chimeras are on a 3-4 week backorder right now.

Chimeras are on backorder because a new kit is coming out

In March, yes.
The Chimera is expected to ship in "1 to 2 weeks".

Which is early/mid February.

Oh no. Guard is raping. Wait, what?

Sounds like someone has a case of the codex grumps.

Kurgash wrote:Sounds like someone has a case of the codex grumps.

hahaha +1

this is not news especially since hive guard are 'available to ship within 24 hours', i also dont get why so many people are complaining the codex doesnt give you obvious unit choices which is a good thing, it means the codex was written properly and that we arent going to see the same list builds.

also people are contradicting themeselve (read: the community) e.g. :

"gw really need to write better codecies! :("
response: "introducing the tyranid codex its well written and there's no ovbious unit choice!"

"WHAT THATS NOT FAIR THEY'RE SLAUGHTERING MY CARNIFEXS TO SUIT THE CODEXS' NEEDS!!! WAHWAHWAH "

Anybody got any cheese? Because I've found a rich vein of whine here...

Broken Loose wrote:So, GW released the new Tyranids codex with all-new models and the promises that they will "evolve to deal with those nasty tanks" in a heavily mechanized metagame.

The Tyranids got improved Zoanthropes...(yadda yadda hadda)...

As a result, Hive Guards are sold out nationwide and are not be expected to be replenished until late March.[/url]

Hummm...following your logic...A symptom of a 'bad' codex is sold out models? Its not wonder GW keeps writing bad codexes!

Well, yes, there shouldn't be one model that EVERYONE NEEDS, all units should be more or less equally viable.

I'm not a nid player, but from what I understand, Isn't the Tyragon a lethal tank killer? I could be wrong, as I don't know much about bugs.

brother_zach wrote:I'm not a nid player, but from what I understand, Isn't the Tyragon a lethal tank killer? I could be wrong, as I don't know much about bugs.

It has the potential to, yes, but it can't assault on the turn it arrives from Deep Strike. That somewhat hurts it a bit (though I still think Trygon Primes are awesome). They do have a S5 shooting attack that fires a lot of shots (huge amount if it's a Prime), so you might be able to bust open the back of a tank with that if you're lucky.

i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW UNIT AND COOL MODEL AND THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD THE LAST 5-10 YEARS TO BUY ZOANTHROPES, WARRIORS, GARGOYLES, CARNIFEXES, TYRANTS, etc. on a similar vein, i suspect that thunderwolf cav will sell out initially if GW decides to make them and i guess you'll think that the SW codex is an epic fail too then.

CAPS FOR THE WIN!!!

Dark Helmet: So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.

Neith wrote:

brother_zach wrote:I'm not a nid player, but from what I understand, Isn't the Tyragon a lethal tank killer? I could be wrong, as I don't know much about bugs.

It has the potential to, yes, but it can't assault on the turn it arrives from Deep Strike. That somewhat hurts it a bit (though I still think Trygon Primes are awesome). They do have a S5 shooting attack that fires a lot of shots (huge amount if it's a Prime), so you might be able to bust open the back of a tank with that if you're lucky.

Doesen't sound too bad. Considering that theres a kit for a decent price for the model as well, I think GW did ok this time.

If anybody needs more hive guard, my friend who owns a store has 19 of em.

There's probably plenty available at the various online retailers.

So, given that this Nid book will be around for at least 4 year, probably 5 or 6 years, a delay in the availability of single model makes the Codex "poorly-balanced"?

Have I captured the gist of the OP?

It seems to me that, having to wait years for the Wave Serpent, Defiler, and Drop Pod models, a couple months wait for the current hotness of the month isn't so terrible.

And model availiabilty doesn't have anything to do with Codex balance, as far as I'm aware. Perhaps one could take a page from the above 3 exampls and convert something?

ph34r wrote:Well, yes, there shouldn't be one model that EVERYONE NEEDS, all units should be more or less equally viable.

And of course, the fact that the Hive Guard is one of the new releases for the codex has nothing at all to do with elevated demand for it...

Bookwrack wrote:

ph34r wrote:Well, yes, there shouldn't be one model that EVERYONE NEEDS, all units should be more or less equally viable.

And of course, the fact that the Hive Guard is one of the new releases for the codex has nothing at all to do with elevated demand for it...

Yes, because they're clearly sold out of trygons, pyrovores, venomthropes, raveners, and gargoyles.

I got a Deathleaper two weeks ago, so I don't think they've been sold out since December.

That observation makes no sense. Trygons are a "must have" unit and they aren't sold out.

Also, how is DL on backorder since December? I ordered one when I ordered the codex 2 weeks ago and he arrived in 4 days along with my codex.

Perhaps GW made fewer Hive Guard than they thought the would need? I will probably pick some up for my army at some point but I still don't see them being a must-have. Have to love how coincidence = bad rules or a bad codex.

It's almost as if an army can only field three Trygons max, while Hive Guard max out at some higher number. It might even be something like Three Times as many.

Tyranids have some of the best troops in the game.

I bought my deathleaper in medusa V period. Happy days for me

Broken Loose wrote:

Bookwrack wrote:

ph34r wrote:Well, yes, there shouldn't be one model that EVERYONE NEEDS, all units should be more or less equally viable.

And of course, the fact that the Hive Guard is one of the new releases for the codex has nothing at all to do with elevated demand for it...

Yes, because they're clearly sold out of trygons, pyrovores, venomthropes, raveners, and gargoyles.

I know you're trying to be relevant, but you're going to have to try harder. GW cannot draw a casting circle on the ground and summon infinity models. They have to plan a production schedule, and if something is more popular than they expected, there will be a shortage. The fact that they have plenty of the other kits means either a: they did a better job of estimating demand, or b: time or other circumstances meant Hive Guard had a shorter production run, hence fewer models on release.

BY THE POWERS OF THE PLASTIC GODS

TRYGON, I SUMMON THEE IN A BULK BOX OF FIFTY!


^
That's exactly how Games Workshop's "casting" process works, no matter what Bookwrack tells you!

I always figured that they'd bargained for miniatures with the Dark Gods of Chaos using the souls of their fans as currency.