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Just curious if anyone knew for sure if the thunder wolf mount stats work like furious charge or bike stats. Specifically if a wolf lord on thunder wolf can still be instant killed by strength 8, and with a thunder hammer is he str 9 or 10? Please help clarify, thanks

See the FAQ for Space Wolves. They specifically only mention toughness being a "true" upgrade, but you are meant to assume, I think, that it applies to the strength as well.

I loathe that FAQ. Only for spacewolves does +1 to a stat not modify that stat. Nurgle's +1? Modifier. Bikes +1? Modifier. Shiny new spacewolves +1? +1 does not modify?

Then they justify it because the wolf is part of the profile. (so is the bike and the mark of nurgle!) So any thunderwolves I have will be modeled with a dead rider on top, with a thunder hammer in the wolves mouth and storm shield strapped to the front paw.

That is also the FAQ that brought the short lived gem 'Counter attack + furious charge stack' garbage--more precedent that the Space Wolves FAQ is plain silly.

Sorry for the rant... I just cant stand seeing them say that 4 is not modified by changing to a 5.

OK, it is not a modifier. It is a stat change.

Is the stat modified by the change?

It is a replacement of the base state with something entirely different, in the same way as a Necron Lord on Destroyer body. They just did not, in the original book, state this clearly - which meant prior to the FAQ the change was a modifier (it stated it added +1, the definition of a modifier) and as such was not counted for ID, etc.

This realy warranted an errata, as the faq changes the rules as given in the codex, but they seem loathe to errata some things!

See, if they wrote it in the way that the Necron Destroyer Body was written, I would agree. Instead, with the codex pre faq, it was 100% a modifier. And like you said, they clarified the definition of a modifier in the codex with a faq question that completely changes the rule. Plus, the fluff reason about the wolf being part of the profile also makes no sense.

Yep the trouble with thunder wolves is there should be a second stat-line for each model that can take them (much like in chaos daemons with the chariots)

It's a Change to the base stat, not a modifier, so they would be S10 with a PF.

This is how I ruled it before GW stoled it :(

Thanks alot guys!, Now where do I get a decent model for these guys, or even better anyone know of a bear model that would work, I feel like I have sen a picture of some Valhallan guardsman on bears, anyone know where those models came from ?

My thunderwolves will be a load of giant werewolves
Giant Werewolves with thunder hammers and storm shields and Gigantic Pauldrons though I like Devians idea

Brother Condon wrote:Thanks alot guys!, Now where do I get a decent model for these guys, or even better anyone know of a bear model that would work, I feel like I have sen a picture of some Valhallan guardsman on bears, anyone know where those models came from ?

Gwar! wrote:It's a Change to the base stat, not a modifier, so they would be S10 with a PF.

This is how I ruled it before GW stoled it :(

I asume you ruled this iwth a big "RULES CHANGE" notice as well?

After all it fits the definition of a modifier to a "t"

Brother Condon wrote:Thanks alot guys!, Now where do I get a decent model for these guys, or even better anyone know of a bear model that would work, I feel like I have sen a picture of some Valhallan guardsman on bears, anyone know where those models came from ?

How about this:



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Where are those wolf models coming from Ramses? They look perfect!

Also that picture of the bear calvery is similar to what I have seen but what I am remembering is three valhallan officers on polar bears, and its a photo of models.

Guy out of Germany is making them. PM me for info.

Or howabout Lions, anyone know of good lion models ?

Fantasy High Elf lions maybe?
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat40028&prodId=prod790879&rootCatGameStyle=

Yea I found those earlier, right after I posted, I think they might actually work quit nicely, I am not sure what I would use for my fenris wolves, to make it look like it fits, but The lions I think are great.

In fairness, the Lions there with some GS Fur on the naked back part to match the mane would do well for Fenrisian Wolves.

Granted them is Freki and Geri, the most Badass Wolves of Badassery, but still Fenrisian Wolves.

Has there benn any word whether this will be a model that GW puts out ever ? Both the cavalry and the wolves ?

DevianID wrote:Then they justify it because the wolf is part of the profile. (so is the bike and the mark of nurgle!) So any thunderwolves I have will be modeled with a dead rider on top, with a thunder hammer in the wolves mouth and storm shield strapped to the front paw.

That is hilarious. I might have to steal that idea.

It is true that TWC has S5, T5, but they are bullit magenets and a full sized unit will run from 250-500+ points a pack
They don't like pie unless they are Storm Shield Equiped, but that can be said about any unit.

Ummm, queston. I thought the FAQ only said the thougness was a straight 5? Me and the guys around here saw that, and thus assumed that the strength increase was a modier since the FAQ didn't say, like it did with the toughness. All the Wolf Lords around here have been going around with strength 9 Thunder Hammers. Not that it matters much to my past games, with them. Thraka VS Wolf Lord, Thraka has won every time, granted taking anywhere from no wounds to three, but still Thraka breaks the wolves over his knee and beats the rider with the bloody halves. It wouldn't have changed how those games went, but I would still like to play correctly. You never know when a Raieror Monolith might show up.

So using this line of thought [I know Logic is forbidin]
TWC: I smacked him with my S10 Thunder Hammer and won the day.
Wolf Lord: For the good job I now promote you to a Wolf Guard Battle Leader.
TWC: But I don't want to go to S9.

As I said above - it is *implied* tha tthe strength increase is also a change to the base stat, however it is not explicitly stated. Yes, even in a FAQ clarificxation they dont actually clarify everything....

The rules canbe quite stupid Anpu42. Yes that doesn't make much sense why are they going from 10 to 9. However, I'm not seeing where in the FAQ you guys are getting the 'implied' part from.

Because the entire FAQ entry talks about how different a TWM is to any other type of mount out there, and this is why you are much tougher than a marine - if the Mount is making you much tougher, why is the strength also not a change to your base stat?

Hence *implication*, as in nothing *explicitly* states this.

So it is all based on that first line? "Unusually for such bonuses, it is a modification to the base characteristic." I can't really argue with that. I'll ask around and see what people think. the extra strength only matters to vehicles and Wraithlords, but oh well. Just to make sure this is an assumption correct? The FAQ neither comfirms nor denies the stat being a modifier or not?

The FAQ states nothing about Strength *specifically*, you just have to assume that it means all the stats.

It also matters for Instant Death'ing Ork Warbosses