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I doubt I would play chaos dreads even if they had a cool model, but I really want a good looking dread for asthetic reasons. The current one is terrible for several reasons,namely because it's metal, has no place for the current CSM bits and the head is ugly. I'm sure plenty of people would buy it if it looked good enough. Do you think we'll ever get a plastic dreadnought kit? I can only hope it's as customizable as the Venerable dreadnought kit, but I'd settle for less,seeing as how i'd never buy the current one,lol

Good thing Forge World has a ton of gorgeous, themed Dreadnoughts for each Chaos Legion(TWO of them for Death Guard even!) huh?

Forge World is really the way to go if you want good looking dreads, loyalist or Chaos. I would definitely dig a plastic Chaos Dreadnought though. I think the current one has been in service since 1995, and I'm getting really tired of haphazard conversions of loyalist dreads. They never look quite sinister enough.

I think its kind of crappy that CSM players HAVE to goto forgeworld to get a non metal dred. Their prices are a bit steep IMO

KingCracker wrote:I think its kind of crappy that CSM players HAVE to goto forgeworld to get a non metal dred. Their prices are a bit steep IMO

See, but it's not "just" CSM players.

If you want a Dark Angels specific dreadnought? You're either going to be heavily converting--or going to Forge World.
Raven Guard, Space Wolves, etc?

Same thing.

I see your point, but at least those guys have a loyalist dread to base it off of. The CSM folks get the brick and thats it lol

The CSM folks have the same loyalist dreads to base theirs off of, if they want a plastic one.

Does it require some conversion work or adding some extra bits?

Sure.

But I don't hear you complaining there's no Chaos Rhino plastic kit or a Chaos Predator kit that is incredibly divergent from the standard Space Marine one.

Well, yeah that's true, but I couldn't imagine the chaos tanks looking much different than the loyalist ones,to be honest.

I'd consider FW dreads,they really look great,but they're too expensive for me. I love that chaplain dread.

We need a proper GW Chaos Dread kit.

FW having them is irrelevant.

Been able to convert them from Loyalist faction is irrelevant.

Chaos will never get a plastic dread, not untill we pry it away from Jervis' cold dead hands.

+1 for forgeworld dreads are absolutely amazing. You can find whole dreads on online auctions for a smidge over what you'd pay for a new GW.

Most of the nasty metal models can be kit bashed from online bits (raptors, noise marines etc). I say we need a good, plastic daemon prince with loads of load-out options (not the fantasy one in the pipeline) and sinister lightning claws first.

candy.man wrote:Chaos will never get a plastic dread, not untill we pry it away from Jervis' cold dead hands.

I can foresee them reserving the TL Auto cannon option to be in the chaos dred kit.

I guess we'll have to stick with the dexterous lightening claws we have!

Seriously, the Venerable Dreadnought in conjunction with the Ironclad Dreadnought make a great basis for a Chaos Dreadnought.

Nurglitch wrote:I guess we'll have to stick with the dexterous lightening claws we have!

Badum tish

I ordered some loyalist LCs from the internets but I suspect they are recasts as the claws are far too weak to last any length of time. Eventually chopped them off, along with all the heraldry, drilled in paperclips and don't have anything to use as blades. Might use hormagaunts.

EDIT: Just realised how off topic this was. I suspect I was traumatised by the experience and needed to offload.

(if mods are watching) tldr: Booo hiss no plastic dreads!

Why use paperclips and hormagaunt talons for lightning claws?

Man up and use some Exacto knife blades!

@OP: You can't add spikes to a plastic SM Dread?

Exactly!

It's not like there's that much on the basic model that makes it Space Marine centric.

At least not much that can't be filed off in under a few minutes.

In my opinion, while conversions can make a CSM converted SM dreadnaught presentable, it feels more like a spiky marine dreadnaught. It takes stuff extensive conversion work, chaotic symbols, sprues and greenstuff to make a SM dread a true CSM dread.

Forge worlds dreadnaughts in my opinion are used as a measuring stick for a Chaos dread. If you can covert an SM dread to be as good, great otherwise you can either use a spiky marine dread or enjoy the extra effort converting/paying for a proper Chaos dread.

That being said, why hasn't GW released a Chaos dread kit? Loyalists have had quite a few dreads released over the years with various options.

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP: You can't add spikes to a plastic SM Dread?

Because thats an insult to Chaos players. That we are to buy loyalist kits and just add MOAR SPIKEYS

The point is , GW made so much effort on SM variants ( sure SM is their flag faction ) but just give Chaos player a stupid plastic dread.

Thats like:

Ultramarine: Make them some laurel bits
Blood Angel: Make them some blood drops
Black Templar: Make them some Cross
Dark Angels: Give them some winged sword.

And then never produce a full kit.

candy.man wrote:In my opinion, while conversions can make a CSM converted SM dreadnaught presentable, it feels more like a spiky marine dreadnaught. It takes stuff extensive conversion work, chaotic symbols, sprues and greenstuff to make a SM dread a true CSM dread.

Forge worlds dreadnaughts in my opinion are used as a measuring stick for a Chaos dread. If you can covert an SM dread to be as good, great otherwise you can either use a spiky marine dread or enjoy the extra effort converting/paying for a proper Chaos dread.

That being said, why hasn't GW released a Chaos dread kit? Loyalists have had quite a few dreads released over the years with various options.

Well, to be completely honest:
You're not going to see very much variation in any flavor of Dreadnoughts, period.

They're all built around the following things:

A coffin/stasis field/box that's holding the remains of the Astartes interred within
and
the armored walker body, bristling with weapons that is built around the interior.

The main difference lies in the weapons and the "flavor" of the bit containing the Astartes' remains.

As for why GW hasn't released a Chaos dread kit? It's probably because of two factors:
1) Forge World does a far better job of releasing dreads intended for Chaos. Not all flavors of Chaos would have the same general design, which makes a plastic kit kind of a very very expensive proposition when it would have to have something like 3-4 different bodies(not counting the different insignias, etc) and then a batch of very specific weapons.
2) The plastic SM kits are 'general' enough that they work for all the Astartes Chapters, and with a small bit of conversion work(mostly filing off Aquilas and carving iconography of the Chaos Powers into the hull) and a few resin weapon bits from FW--they're 100% Codex Chaos Marines legal.


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LunaHound wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:@OP: You can't add spikes to a plastic SM Dread?

Because that's an insult to Chaos players. That we are to buy loyalist kits and just add MOAR SPIKEYS

The point is , GW made so much effort on SM variants ( sure SM is their flag faction ) but just give Chaos player a stupid plastic dread.

That's like:

Ultramarine: Make them some laurel bits
Blood Angel: Make them some blood drops
Black Templar: Make them some Crosses
Dark Angels: Give them some winged swords.

And then never produce a full kit.

If you don't want Space Marine Vehicles with Spikes--better steer clear of Chaos Land Raiders, Predators, and Rhinos.
As for the Dreads:
What are you talking about?

Your example is pretty much exactly how the Space Marine "basic"(meaning non-FW) Dreadnoughts are.
The Venerables, Ironclads, and basic Dreadnoughts don't have parts that make them visibly "Oh. That's a Dark Angels Deathwing Venerable Dreadnought!" or "That's obviously a Blood Angels Furioso Librarian Dreadnought".

It's also worth noting that of those 4 Chapters, two have Chapter specific kits that are sold as sprues or intended for vehicles(the Dark Angels Dread specific bits are on the Ravenwing upgrade sprues, and the Black Templars ones the same. Blood Angels I can't comment on yet).

Yes kanluwen , but you are missing exactly the points.

We'll see a plastic CSM Dread as soon as the rules don't suck. But then again, GW also released plastic Possessed and Spawn...

It's a bit depressing when buying the model from Forgeworld is actually cheaper than buying the Citadel model from GW (in Australia, at least), even after factoring in postage costs.

As for how a plastic CSM dread could be made, I could see it working almost like the Venerable Dreadnought: have a basic hull design onto which you can 'plug' Legion- or god-specific front plates. Weapons could have a similar level of interchangeability that the vendread does, too.

I actually bought one of the metal dreads from GW many years ago, before the FW ones were released. It took a considerable amount of conversion work before I was happy with it. It's not easy cutting through that much metal when you don't own a dremel...

LunaHound wrote:Yes kanluwen , but you are missing exactly the points.

Then don't tapdance around and actually make a point?

You stated something that is patently untrue. There is no Ultramarines or Black Templar or Dark Angels Dreadnoughts available as their own model.

Unless you...gasp...count Forge World.

The only exception is that there is the Blood Angels Furioso Dreadnought, which is an all metal kit(just like a certain Chaos Space Marine kit that this thread is about).

Supposedly the reason there's no Chaos Dreadnought, according to GW studio staff I've asked about, is that there's no real way to make something that would please everyone and each Chaos Legion/God tend to have a very different visual look associated with them.

So simply put?

Buck up, save your pennies and get a Forge World dread. Failing that--put some time and effort into converting the "standard" Marine Dreadnought.

Then don't tapdance around and actually make a point?

Other people gets it , and im pretty sure my sentence and grammar makes sense.
So if anything , think deeper about what i said and the examples i gave.

You stated something that is patently untrue. There is no Ultramarines or Black Templar or Dark Angels Dreadnoughts available as their own model.

Unless you...gasp...count Forge World.

Again , i dont know how or from where are you pulling that i said ANY of this sentence you said.

The only exception is that there is the Blood Angels Furioso Dreadnought, which is an all metal kit(just like a certain Chaos Space Marine kit that this thread is about).

Which has nothing to do with what i said.

Supposedly the reason there's no Chaos Dreadnought, according to GW studio staff I've asked about, is that there's no real way to make something that would please everyone and each Chaos Legion/God tend to have a very different visual look associated with them.

Oh? because FW made bunch of generic weapon arms as well. They can easily do a normal torso , and like the SM ven kit , make a few sarcophagus / leg armor / head.

So simply put?

Buck up, save your pennies and get a Forge World dread. Failing that--put some time and effort into converting the "standard" Marine Dreadnought.

Again, whats with the assumptions? You think me wanting GW to make a plastic Chaos dread is because i cant afford GW ones?
Converting SM dread into chaos? Already been there , done that .

Lunahound:

So your point is that GW is being disrespectful to Chaos Dreadnoughts by not releasing them in plastic? Is that right?

Nurglitch wrote:Lunahound:

So your point is that GW is being disrespectful to Chaos Dreadnoughts by not releasing them in plastic? Is that right?

To Chaos players , or people that collects Chaos faction.

@Kanluwen
The actual point of the thread is to discuss that

a) Chaos has a dread which is old and outdated (not to mention lacking weapons and sprue options).

b) Since GW has released a quite a few SM dreads (any metal or plastic SM dread released since 1995) they could easilly release a new chaos one. The extra sprues alone would make a plastic GW CSM dread win.

This thread is not about how it is possible to get chaos dread off forgeworlds or through conversions. Every chaos collector is aware of this already.

Lunahound:

I guess so. I don't find it disrespectful personally.

Indeed, my entire World Eaters army is based on Loyalist Space Marines with Khorne Berzerker heads, with all of the ridiculous skulls and ribbons scrapped off. Frankly scrapping all that iconography off of the sarcophagi on my Dreadnoughts was hard, but worth it for the cleaner look that I wanted. I was lucky the Furioso right arm doesn't come with any molded iconography. I was looking forward to using the Venerable Dreadnought once I realized that the iconography could be covered up for something more utilitarian looking.

I guess tastes really do differ.

candy.man wrote:@Kanluwen
The actual point of the thread is to discuss that

a) Chaos has a dread which is old and outdated (not to mention lacking weapons and sprue options).

b) Since GW has released a quite a few SM dreads (any metal or plastic SM dread released since 1995) they could easily release a new chaos one. The extra sprues alone would make a plastic GW CSM dread win.

This thread is not about how it is possible to get chaos dread off forgeworlds or through conversions. Every chaos collector is aware of this already.

Point A) Quite a few races have at least one model that is old and outdated.

Imperial Guard Rough Riders, for example. I won't even mention the Eldar(mind you, not the DARK Eldar. Normal Eldar have quite a few "old" models themselves) range. That point is quite moot.

Point B) Almost every single one of the Space Marine Dreads have been the same same thing, just slightly retooled to be a new kit. And while they could release a new Chaos one, there's no way to guarantee it would sell well or even at all--especially if they made it generic enough to fit across the entire Chaos range. Plastic molds are expensive, and they don't precisely like to use that money on something that might sell one or two hundred thousand units, when they're expecting to sell millions(I doubt they sell that many of anything really, but the point stands. They don't make plastics for things that won't sell well).

Generic Generic Generic Generic Generic

All of those are generic minus the chest armor plate , which is pointless to use that to argue.
Because look at Venerable dread , remember how we have so many variation to the armor plates?

Same thing could be done with chaos. Not able to make a passable generic chaos dread is BS You can keep telling yourself that.

Point B) Almost every single one of the Space Marine Dreads have been the same same thing, just slightly retooled to be a new kit.

Ya! which is why Chaos players are disgruntled! Glad you just proved our point!