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What if a large battle between the Imperils and Modern humans of the 21st centry, what do you think will happed?

Um, we'd get royally ed. I mean, even Guardsmen can beat the hell out of us, Lasguns blow limbs off normal humans.

marines would kick some serious ass. Modern armies are NOT used to hand to hand, with infantry wearing armor that their bullets bounce off of charging into them. After the first few battles, modern soldiers would be SO demoralized about the prospect of being slashed into bits, they would loose effectiveness.

They would march to war expecting to fight someone similar to them, and they would be torn into bits by the ferocity of the imperial forces.

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NOT THI............

*breathes deep*


Chuck Norris would suddenly appear and kick the entire Earth's forces butt single handedly with a pack of hobnob biscuits. Then, he would kick the Imperials butt using a pencil sharpener. Then he would challenge Marbo to a game of chess that lasts for 34,018 years because they are both so epically awesome that neither of them can ever lose. When Chuck finally gets Marbo into check the entire universe implodes and results in the start of another "the Big Bang" and Chuck and Marbo set about to repopulate the entire universe ... just don't ask how, you don't wanna know!


On a more serious note, Imperium is very much on par with modern day humans. However as we are not afraid to adapt our technology, on an even playing field in terms of forces. I think Humans would win overall, but would be costly, hellishly costly

titans, long rang guns(the big guns) baneblades, shadow swords if the guardsmen were cadians it would be even worse for modern militarys

raptor8 wrote:titans, long rang guns(the big guns) baneblades, shadow swords if the guardsmen were cadians it would be even worse for modern militarys

The only thing IG don't seem to have is nukes... Modern Humans win!

Jesus christ these threads. Never again.

Nukes are fire crackers compared to what an Imperial ship can shoot down at us.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Nukes are fire crackers compared to what an Imperial ship can shoot down at us.

Title said land only, therefore we can ignore the obvious truth of the butt-licking we would get form battle barges

Okay, fair point. However, I'd like to say that nukes do cause fallout, so we'd hurt ourselves as much as them if we used a bunch of them.

braindeadmonkey wrote:

Luke_Prowler wrote:Nukes are fire crackers compared to what an Imperial ship can shoot down at us.

Title said land only, therefore we can ignore the obvious truth of the butt-licking we would get form battle barges

but nukes launch into high altitude, if they don't (because the enemy is close) then you'd probably be hitting the launching bay. they are not classified as being part of a ground battle. I mean, why don't they just fire some Deathstrike Missile rounds and blow the silo to pieces. besides, every superpower in the world is capable of blowing a barrage of nukes and stealth bombers out of the air before they can even reach thier borders, what makes you think the Imperium can't?

anyway, Imperial Commanders are schooled in how to deal with every threat they face, we keep trying to make new wepons to counter what our enemies use. every time we face something that causes overwhelming damage we try to work around it with something new, the Imperium attempts to crush all enemies in an unstoppable wave of might. an Imperial army works like a well oiled machine (once it gets to the field) with a competent commander, we give our troops vague army wide commands and let the sergents figure out the details. we are trained to fight in melee, many Guardsmen would be dead without it.

in the end, I don't believe we are experience enough to take them

if you disagree then I'll say they DO have the experience to take us

Oh holy emperor not this tread type again

40k wins by a landslide.
All counterarguments have been crushed a billion times in a million threads on a thousand forums.
Just... don't.

They'd land...we'd be like ALIENS!!! Then once they start shooting at us, we'd be like rest of the world we need your help...sweden would be like no way those guys are intense! South America would be like no way they're just after our oil now. America would be like Oh noes!?!? we're spread too thin! China would be like we'll worry about it once they invade our soil. Korea would try and fail a missle test. Then we'd give up and join the imperium and be used as stock for guardsmen and a few for space marines. Then they'd leave and life would go on.

You know who'd win?

noone.

the guard/SM would be too afraid to shoot, lest they taint holy terra.

The human infantry would be scared shitless by those 75mm guns


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You know who'd win?

noone.

the guard/SM would be too afraid to shoot, lest they taint holy terra.

The human infantry would be scared shitless by those 75mm guns

The fact that that the Imperium can land Billions of troops on the planet, with much better armour, weapons and tanks kinda answers the question really. We'd be crushed. If we sent nukes at them, sure we'd probably kill a lot, but then the Imperials would just send more guys.

If the Imperium invades? We lose. Badly. Like "everyone gets burned with holy napalm and dies" kind of losing. Stop posting these threads, goombas.

This is silly.

Imperium wins. Numerical advantage would be their biggest advantage. Titans would be another. Having an emperor class titan shooting vortex weapons at anything that remotely looks like it could harm it. The lack of concern for collateral damage would be to their advantage. The Imperiums willingness to use flamethrowers and other weapons that by modern standards are not appropriate for the battlefield.

The anachronisms of Imperial technology leaves only some areas of technology inferior to modern day technology, but the vast majority of the Imperiums technology is still superior.

Grimm wrote:The fact that that the Imperium can land Billions of troops on the planet, with much better armour, weapons and tanks kinda answers the question really.

Wait! no one said anything about Billions of troops. The OP said 'a large (land only) battle' and the sides would be equal because all 40k battles are equal (2000pts each lol)

And I don't know if they really are better equipped or more advance. Some of the technology in the 41s millennium is way more advanced than what we have, but the human understanding of their technology seems to be less advanced. And things that imperium employ like rough riders and melee troops would just get owned in a real battle, which is why they aren't used by modern armies.

Also are their tanks really better? A Basilisks has an effective ingame range of 240 inches... We all know that in 40k 1 inch equals about 6 feet (man height). So the Basilisks has an effective range of 1440 feet, which is about 0.2 miles.

I don't know what the effective range of a modern tank like a Challenger 2 is... but I bet it's waaaaay more than 0.2 miles.

I don't think 40k IG army has anything that a modern army couldn't deal with in one way or another. In many ways they seem quite evenly matched. Las rifle = Assault riffle, flak armour = Kevlar etc....

He never said fair, only large. I'm sure large by Imperial standards is in the billions.

And I'm pretty sure Lasguns and Flak armour are far better than anything we have today. I don't have a clue about Modern day tanks, so I can't judge on that, but thy have titans as well. We'd be screwed.

modern tanks dont have any thing close LR fire power, In table top every thing is scaled down by a lot, I agree with grimm on lasguns and flak armor it might such on table top and in fluff but its atleast 10,000 years more advanced than any body armor we have today

Flak armor alone would mean the Imperium wins. It's lighter, protects better, covers more, and is cheaper than any body armor produced on modern Earth. And its' especially effective against blasts and shrapnel too (which our body armor tends to be weak against).

HellsGuardian316 wrote:Chuck Norris would suddenly appear and

Get his pompous, arrogant ass handed to him, and therefor this needs to happen.

which would mean that modern armor is 6+


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and the current assult rifles would be S2 AP-?

Then of course there's the lasgun, which has hundreds of shots in a single clip, which can be recharged by leaving out in the sun for a day or by plugging it into a wall socket or a chimera.

The Leman Russ is faster, more nimble, and has typically more firepower than modern vehicles. Imperial aircraft are similarly better armed than most modern aircraft (arguably the A-10 has some damned good armament, but that isn't the most common military aircraft today).

Finally, walkers and titans would have no equivalent, giving the Imperial army more mobility and firepower in rough terrain with sentinels and simply more firepower that we cannot counter short of nukes in titans.

I think we'd surrender rather quickly. Within a few generations we'd be loyal Imperial citizens. And it is quite possible our lives might even be improved by the experience with the various technological advances and the unification of governments into one central government. Depending of course on how the governor handles the situation.

*FACEPALM*
NOT THIS DAMN THING AGAIN!
Its like a bloody Zombie. Now i need my shotgun!
Ok guys this is the stupidest topic ever!
Imperial would win. Like a piece paper vs the Sun win.

raptor... I put to question.

an abrahams, no, a sherman. to start.
costs a couple 10k's.

a LR equiviates to what is 15 billion, at least.

the sherman has one minicannon, (75mm, I believe?) whereas a leman russ has a battle cannon (150 mm.)

Sherman would easily be able to use it's special power, 'outflank' and shoot into rear armour. assuming all things are considered, a 75 mm cannon would be at least S6. whereas, though much more powerful, a Leman russ is nerfed to S10. it has a far superior range, but, is more like a walking toadstool. (bad image.) compared to the Sherman.

Second.
Tiger Mk2.
Equivical weapons. 150mm cannon vs. 100 mm cannon. the Tiger is at least BS5, and is so strong that in a slogging match, it could pump out three S8 shots. (better then an autocannon, yes.) into front armour, and take it out.

thirdly.
Abrahams, the most powerful slogger availible to humans today.

AV? 14, 12 11. BS? americans, so at least BS4. it has a .50 cal HMG on top, which could do some damage, would be a heavy stubber on steroids.

Abrahams would loose. why? it would run out of fuel on third turn.
shoots at S9. equivical to battle cannon.

Solved it in game terms.

as for troops:
Soldier of the imperium:
WS3 BS3 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv 5+
Human (American marine and equivalents)
WS2 BS4 S3 T3 W1 I2 A1 Ld7 Sv 6+

weapons?
Lasgun:
24" S3 AP- RF
M4
18" S3 AP6 Assault 1.
Lascannon
48" S9 AP2 Heavy 1
Stinger/AT4
36" S8 AP1, Heavy 1 blast.

heavy bolter
S5AP4
THMG
S6 AP1 Heavy 4. (true heavy machine gun, minigun, chainrail.)

You can't jsut say land only. If you look at the dominant army in the world today, the United States, you will see that air support is integral to its fighting strategy. All of the top notch armies of today do the same thing.

If somehow the skies were unflyable -
-What are the numbers of Imperium vs today's armies? Are we outnumberd 10-1, 20-1? If it is at all close, we win.

Modern day tanks would shrug off most of the weapons shot at them. Sloped armour, ablative armour, longer and far more accurate main weapons plus the ability to shoot accurately while moving would result in us winning the tank war.

I think we would have the advantage as far as infantry also. We have the ability to call in close range fire support from artillery to keep the masses down. And we have numbers - India and China alone could field enough troops (albeit poorly trained) that would make a Imperial Guard commander jealous.

Asherian Command wrote:*FACEPALM*
NOT THIS DAMN THING AGAIN!
Its like a bloody Zombie. Now i need my shotgun!
Ok guys this is the stupidest topic ever!
Imperial would win. Like a piece paper vs the Sun win.

I don't know. those peices of paper have T6.

Alternatively, you give them SPF30+ and they then have sv 2+.

God. don't you read your Forgeworld releases?

We all know that space marines would own us. No mercy no respite.
OK Imperial vehicles are made from Adamantium, not our steel from earth. So basically we would get owned.

Asherian Command wrote:We all know that space marines would own us. No mercy no respite.
OK Imperial vehicles are made from Adamantium, not our steel from earth. So basically we would get owned.

Badly of course.