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**Bloodhorror**

Land Raider Havoc

BS 4 FA 14 SA 14 RA 14

Transport Capacity - 0!!!

1 sponson Daemonic Gattler on each side
1 hull mounted Battle cannon

Daemonic Gattler

Ranger 18" str 4 ap 4 Heavy 10

Can take the same Land Raider choices as the Basic Land Radier in the CSM Codex.

Pricing at 270 Points?

Thoughts and comments?

**RaptorsTalon**

I like it. The Battle Cannon is a great weapon and it will bring some more variety to chaos vehicles.

**Jackmojo**

I'd ditch the transport capacity entirely since its armed like an MBT.

Since its not often going to be able to fire is sponsons it might be more interesting to give it some up close defensive weapons like flamers or some such instead...also I am very leery of a vehicle with three potential havoc launchers.

Jack

**Bloodhorror**

Added the Daemonic Gattler in place of the Havocs?

And killed the transport

**Jackmojo**

Hmm...while those are very similar to Hurricane Bolters in output I think you'll find folks bothered by them being a new weapon with such a seemingly high rate of fire...why not just achieve roughly the same effect and give it Hurricanes?

Jack

**Bloodhorror**

Well i was thinking that Hurricane Bolters are too Imperialistic...

The Daemonic Gattler would have been VERY chaosy?

**cosmic pixie**

Have you thought about the scorpion cannon from the brass scorpion of khorne? That has a punishing rate of fire and is not a completely new weapon, but you might not want the battle cannon on the same tank...

Flamers sound good, though

**Melkhiordarkblade**

Awesome but maybe AP 3 on that Daemonic blaster thing,we wanna kill space marines after all.

**Bloodhorror**

Fair play.

It is only str 4 so i guess AP3 wouldn't be toooo harsh

**lucasbuffalo**

Or, make the AP value D6. Let the Chaos gods decide to bless you or let you squirm!

**Praxiss**

The Scorp cannon is S6 AP3 Heavy 10. Too harsh to put on sponsons

**Chaos Lord Gir**

lucasbuffalo wrote:Or, make the AP value D6. Let the Chaos gods decide to bless you or let you squirm!

Like the idea, but Im already fed up with the amount of random-ness 'useful/useless' in the codex. *coughs* dreadnoughts, possessed, daemon weapons. Long cough

I think the gatlers are fine, ap 4 is a solid choice IMO, although AP 3 is also a good idea, although surely then some tzneetchian dust buckets would have to be driving it

**Magister187**

Yeah, you could make them "Warpfire Gatling Cannons" or something that are maybe a random number of Str 4 AP 3 Shots. Consistently getting 10 out of each sponson seems a bit high. What about d6+2 shots?

**Bloodhorror**

Perhaps give the Land Raider the Ability to take Marks?

Khorne: any enemy unit that can draw LOS to it, must roll a dice and on a 1 gets (nerd) Rage??

Nurgle: the Daemonic Gattlers become Posioned 4+ and Crew Stunned becomes Crew Shaken

Tzeentch: Daemonic Gattlers become AP 3

Slaanesh: Makes the Tank BS 5?

**stompydakka**

Maybe....
I don't know, AP 3 seems a bit OP.
20 shots total, 13 hits, 7 wounds....
7 marines die....
Then, there is the s8 large blast AP3 template.

**jy2**

Reduce the Daemonic Blasters to S4 AP 5 and I'll be cool with it.

**CommissarCandlestick**

jy2 wrote:Reduce the Daemonic Blasters to S4 AP 5 and I'll be cool with it.

So they basically become 10 shot Hurricane Bolters? I likr the idea of marks for the Land Raider though; how many points would they be?

**jy2**

CommissarCandlestick wrote:
jy2 wrote:Reduce the Daemonic Blasters to S4 AP 5 and I'll be cool with it.

So they basically become 10 shot Hurricane Bolters? I likr the idea of marks for the Land Raider though; how many points would they be?

Yes, as a defensive weapon, they shouldn't be overpowered, especially when you can fire 20 bolter shots each turn.

**Matt.Kingsley**

I'd make the Daemnotic Gatler sort of like a more powerful Punisher gatling cannon with less shots
Maybe something like this:
Str 5 AP5 Heavy D6+2 No invunerable saves allowed?

M.K

**Bloodhorror**

CommissarCandlestick wrote: I likr the idea of marks for the Land Raider though; how many points would they be?

I'm not quite sure as of yet to be honest

What would you say is a Decent Price for the Marks?

jy2 wrote:Reduce the Daemonic Blasters to S4 AP 5 and I'll be cool with it.

I'd like it to be AP4 to represent the Daemonic Shells they would be Firing. I admit it being AP4 would rip Guard, Tau and Nids a new Butthole but then its a Daemonic Gatling Cannon on a Big Ass Land Raider!

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Str 5 AP5 Heavy D6+2 No invunerable saves allowed?

Only problem with that is i'm trying to get rid of the Random Aspect of the Chaos, and the Invunerable saves is a good idea, but would be more like a Daemon Hunter type Land Raider.

**Praxiss**

If you make it S5 it defeats the opject of it. If this is supposed to be a Chaos answer to the Crusader then the sponsons need to be S4 or lower.

Unless you give it a rule similar to PotMS whcih would allow it to move and fire both sponsons OR one sposon and the cannon.

**camboyaz**

Make the Demonic Gatler S 5 AP D6, Let it take these Marks of Chaos:

Khorne: All friendly Units within 6" get Furious Charge and Fearless Special Rules
Nurgal: The smell of the vechicale is so horrid, units with a Armour save of 4+ or higher must stay at least 12" or else it takes 2 D6+2 D6 4+ poisen wounds, but his makes the vechicale go up to 320 points.
Tzeench: The vechicale may Deepstrike OR Outflank
Slaneesh: The vechicale can trasport up to 5 Termies or 10 CSM, but not a mix.

**Deathbysoup**

you could just add something similar to flamestorm cannons but then that wont really complement the battle cannon.

**Waricck**

I think it should have something different on the sponsons. Plasma Cannons?

**Devastator**

Waricck wrote:I think it should have something different on the sponsons. Plasma Cannons?

multi-lazors? chain walruses?

**Bloodhorror**

Power of the Daemon Engine:

Can be used once a Turn to fire one Extra Weapon than Usually allowed. Same as Machine Spirt!

**Praxiss**

maybe make it fire at BS3 like with Daemonic Possession. After all its not a precise machine doing the shooting, but rather an angry daemon trapped in a tank.

**Bloodhorror**

Land Raider Havoc 275

BS3 FA 14 SA 14 RA 14

Transport Capacity - 0!!!

Daemonic Possesion
1 sponson Daemonic Gattler on each side
1 hull mounted Battle cannon

Daemonic Gattler

Ranger 18" str 4 ap 4 Heavy 5

Can take the same Land Raider choices as the Basic Land Radier in the CSM Codex as well as One of the Following Marks

Khorne: The Land Raider Receives a BloodGorger. When Tank Shocking a Squad it takes 2d6 Automatic S6 Hits.30 points

Nurgle: the Daemonic Gattlers become Posioned 4+ and Crew Stunned becomes Crew Shaken 30 points

Tzeentch: Daemonic Gattlers become AP 3 50 points

Slaanesh: Makes the Tank BS 4 20 Points

Power of the Daemon Engine:
Can always fire The Sponsons if the Land Raider has moved 12" or less and other weapons firing, but there will be no splitting fire!

**Jackmojo**

That's pretty good, I'd play it at those points, the only things there I don't like is the mark of Khorne and the cribbed machine spirit.

Maybe give it a death rolla or something smashy and bloody with a mark of khorne instead? Influencing the enemies psychology is a bit more slaaneshy to my way of thinking.

As to the power of the Daemon engine, perhaps make it slightly more different then the machine spirit, like always fire defensive weapons regardless of movement and other weapons firing, but no splitting fire?

Jack

**Bloodhorror**

What do you think now?

i've updated the Daemon Engine and my Mark of Khorne