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So I was at Salute this weekend, and there was a stand with the Forgeworld chaps.

Chatting away with them, I asked if they'd be any sign of some love for Battle Fleet Gothic.

They told me that BFG is quite well thought of in both FW and GW, and that it was being considered for the 'Space Hulk' treatment, along side a few other games. (Apparently Blood Bowl isn't, because its recently had a computer game out for it.)

Obviously, the first thing I did when I got home is email FW and GW and say a new BFG set would be awesome.

Have I just been spun a line?

The big issue, I'd think, is that Space Hulk is 'complete' in the form it was released, while BFG as it exists would be a 'starter' and players would still practically need add-on ships and such.

Beetlehive wrote:

They told me that BFG is quite well thought of in both FW and GW, and that it was being considered for the 'Space Hulk' treatment, along side a few other games. (Apparently Blood Bowl isn't, because its recently had a computer game out for it.)

They won't re-release Blood Bowl because a computer game came out?!?

So I guess that means that they won't release any more Space Marines once the computer game comes out this August...



Blood Bowl is far more self-contained then BFG and as such is a far more logical choice to get the "Space Hulk Treatment".

CT GAMER wrote:
So I guess that means that they won't release any more Space Marines once the computer game comes out this August...

Not a fair comparison, Space Marines are the flagship product. Whereas I can see the line of reasoning for limiting the exposure of the specialist games: Blood Bowl is getting promoted thanks to a well supported and well reviewed video game, so lets do a limited release of another line to see if that gets some love.

You could argue that BFG is getting some exposure thanks to the Rogue Trader RPG mind.

Blood Bowl is as much a 'complete set' as BFG is: A box can have two fleets in it, or two sides. But part of the fun of both games is the way you can change your lists, either by adding more ships or getting star players.

I'd love to see a specialist games re-release as a bumper set, with all sorts of option in it.

Personally I'd much rather they released a far more easier to play version with simplified rules. But thats just me, for the amount of times I play BFG I want to be able to just pick up and play rather than play a complete game system.

Of course I appriciate those poeple who enjoy BFG to the fullest, so maybe have two rulesets, the simplified version and the normal more complex version.

More so, I'd really LOVE for BFG to be released as a computer game.

BFG is an amazing game, the ruleset is great.

It is the disparity of power between some of the xenos fleets that needed fixing (I'm looking at you necrons/eldar/orks).

I recommend that anyone who's not given this game a chance should get themselves some proxy ships and download the free rules and try it out!

^------ Not sure if you meant these MGS http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat480005a&categoryId=1100007§ion=&aId=4300022


Also, if you do buy models, take a look at Forge World first. I find the Tau ships butt ugly but the Forge World versions are extremely sleek and more fitting. GW ones look more like Rogue Trader type things.

If BFG is to be updated, I'd doubt they'd update the models, maybe introduce some more races to BFG but not make new models for exisiting armies.

Yep, GW have generously put all the resources to play up on the website as free to download PDFs.

As to the Tau fleet, I think if memory serves, it's actually cheaper to buy the forgeworld ones rather than the GW ones ( the gw fleet is stronger at higher levels I think, the forgeworld fleet stronger at 1500 or less points). Forgeworld fleet is far far prettier though.

As to new races, I think adding to the existing races fleets would be good.

BFG will never be a valid game as long as it consists of "Watch me dance around with Eldar and kill you. Aren't we having fun.. you watching me play and all?"

O man a BFG game would be EPIC!
id love that so much but if not, some new releases or even just a bit of love for the specialist games would be awesome, heres hoping

I have also heard this rumour from a different source...

a BFG VIDEOGAME?!!?!?

oh God yes! I love the miniature one!

just realised my post may have been confusing, sorry i was just echoing HellsGuardian's comment that a video game would be awesome.
but any love for BFG is eagerly anticipated (by me at least)

the best thing about BFG IMO was the force disparity...i felt it accurately highlighted the technical achievements of the races...Eldar SHOULD be better than imperials, since they are about a 50K+ years older than them, and Necrons should pretty much be better than everyone when it comes to supremacy in the physical universe... the rules allowed for these advantages, and you could still achieve victory against them, but tactics were appropriate to the race...batteries for eldar; lance then batteries for necrons, kill one capital ship, then disengae!

Great stuff...best rule set from GW IMO.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I have also heard this rumour from a different source...

Really great news! I don't think BFG has the elegance of some of the other SGs (BB, Space Hulk or even Epic for that matter). That being said, it is still a bloody fine game, and I have spent many an hour watching ships chase each other around the void, grinning while unleashing that immense close range battery, or crying as one of my ships blows up and takes others with it as the reactor goes critical.

Not re-releasing BB because of the computer game sounds like some kind of bizarre reverse logic to me though. Some people might have played the computer game, and then get drawn into the hobby on the basis of it if they saw a great big Blood Bowl poster in a shop window.

CT GAMER wrote:

Beetlehive wrote:

They won't re-release Blood Bowl because a computer game came out?!?

I think the operative theory is the only re-released Space Hulk so as to have a "release" for the product and keep the IP protected (due to some facet of English IP law).

Here's hoping Necromunda is next in line after BFG for this sort of "treatment".

CT GAMER wrote:

Beetlehive wrote:

They told me that BFG is quite well thought of in both FW and GW, and that it was being considered for the 'Space Hulk' treatment, along side a few other games. (Apparently Blood Bowl isn't, because its recently had a computer game out for it.)

They won't re-release Blood Bowl because a computer game came out?!?

So I guess that means that they won't release any more Space Marines once the computer game comes out this August...



Blood Bowl is far more self-contained then BFG and as such is a far more logical choice to get the "Space Hulk Treatment".

The reason they won't release it because a computer game came out is because in order for GW to maintain an IP it needs to support it continuously. IIRC, legally this means some sort of release every 10 years or so, otherwise the IP is up for grabs. BFG is approaching a 10 year mark, if GW wants to maintain exclusive rights to the name and designs then it needs to release something soon. Blood Bowl on the other hand just had a release (in the form of a game) about 2 years ago. Wait another 7-8 years and then we'll talk about a BB release.

GW has no interest in actually supporting these games. The Space Hulk release was done so that others can't run away with the concept.

HiveFleet wrote:the best thing about BFG IMO was the force disparity...i felt it accurately highlighted the technical achievements of the races...Eldar SHOULD be better than imperials, since they are about a 50K+ years older than them, and Necrons should pretty much be better than everyone when it comes to supremacy in the physical universe... the rules allowed for these advantages, and you could still achieve victory against them, but tactics were appropriate to the race...batteries for eldar; lance then batteries for necrons, kill one capital ship, then disengae!

Great stuff...best rule set from GW IMO.

By that logic, in the real world China, Japan, England, France, Spain, and really, most of the rest of the world should have better militaries than the US, but we all know thats not true.

chaos0xomega wrote:
By that logic, in the real world China, Japan, England, France, Spain, and really, most of the rest of the world should have better militaries than the US, but we all know thats not true.

A believer in 'quantity has a quality all of its own', eh?

Edit: Dammit Grubsnik!you edited just as i was quoting you

CT GAMER wrote:

Beetlehive wrote:

They told me that BFG is quite well thought of in both FW and GW, and that it was being considered for the 'Space Hulk' treatment, along side a few other games. (Apparently Blood Bowl isn't, because its recently had a computer game out for it.)

They won't re-release Blood Bowl because a computer game came out?!?

So I guess that means that they won't release any more Space Marines once the computer game comes out this August...

Blood Bowl the PC game is far closer to its board game version than Space Marine the FPS is to 40K tabletop. Plus they probably have some agreement with the publisher for a certain period of exclusivity, to stop a boardgame re-release affecting their videogame sales. I can quite easily see people who'd buy one but not the other due the similarity.
Buying an FPS filled with space marines is quite a way different from buying space marine miniatures to push around in a strategy wargame.

I think a premium space hulk style BFG game could quite easily be standalone. Cut out all the heavy cardstock and there's plenty of room for a choice of units.

I would love to try BFG out if it came out with some sort of special box in the future, I find a lot of the ships to be aesthetically pleasing IMHO.

I pray for this on a daily basis, the re-release of Space Hulk is what got me into this hobby, since that day i've been wanting BFG to get the same treatment.

I was around for the first re-release in 1999.

I think Gothic would benefit more from a computer game than a new game... but I'll take what I can get, because Gothic and Necromunda are both the best games GW has released IMO.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Beetlehive wrote:

They told me that BFG is quite well thought of in both FW and GW, and that it was being considered for the 'Space Hulk' treatment, along side a few other games. (Apparently Blood Bowl isn't, because its recently had a computer game out for it.)

They won't re-release Blood Bowl because a computer game came out?!?

So I guess that means that they won't release any more Space Marines once the computer game comes out this August...



Blood Bowl is far more self-contained then BFG and as such is a far more logical choice to get the "Space Hulk Treatment".

The reason they won't release it because a computer game came out is because in order for GW to maintain an IP it needs to support it continuously. IIRC, legally this means some sort of release every 10 years or so, otherwise the IP is up for grabs. BFG is approaching a 10 year mark, if GW wants to maintain exclusive rights to the name and designs then it needs to release something soon. Blood Bowl on the other hand just had a release (in the form of a game) about 2 years ago. Wait another 7-8 years and then we'll talk about a BB release.GW has no interest in actually supporting these games. The Space Hulk release was done so that others can't run away with the concept.

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WHERE THE CRAP IS MY WARHAMMER QUEST REDUX?!?!

I still vainly wait in hope that Warhammer Quest would get a revamp, I know it won't happen cos apparently GW "lost" all of the stuff when they moved offices. BFG would be cool but i would prob only play it if the big ol' metal ships with their big ol' pricetags get redone in plastic.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:I still vainly wait in hope that Warhammer Quest would get a revamp, I know it won't happen cos apparently GW "lost" all of the stuff when they moved offices. BFG would be cool but i would prob only play it if the big ol' metal ships with their big ol' pricetags get redone in plastic.

Wow. so somewhere in Nottingham lies the secrets to Warhammer Quest, in an old box that never got unpacked when they moved. Everyone's got one of them box's, few will be as valuable.

btemple0 wrote:I would love to try BFG out if it came out with some sort of special box in the future, I find a lot of the ships to be aesthetically pleasing IMHO.

If you look long or hard enough you will occasionally come across the original Imperial/Chaos box sets on ebay, and if your REALLY lucky like I managed to get you can get one for less than £50 which was the originally selling price in the UK before they discontinued them. I have seen them going for higher than £50 nowadays as like the original Space Hulk game sets they are getting rarer. Mine was second hand but in excellent condition.

xttz wrote:Blood Bowl the PC game is far closer to its board game version than Space Marine the FPS is to 40K tabletop. Plus they probably have some agreement with the publisher for a certain period of exclusivity, to stop a boardgame re-release affecting their videogame sales. I can quite easily see people who'd buy one but not the other due the similarity.
Buying an FPS filled with space marines is quite a way different from buying space marine miniatures to push around in a strategy wargame.

In my personal experience, the videogame/tabletop game cross over tends to bring more people into both, not to divide them. I've met plenty of tabletop players who have bought 40k games not for their quality (remember... some older 40k games weren't very good!) but simply because they were a 40k based game. I've also met some people that got into the tabletop game because they enjoyed the electronic versions. The same thing happens with Settlers of Catan and Carcassone now that they're on xbox live. Also, the Space Marine game is a T(hird)PS I'm anxiously awaiting and not an FPS (an important distinction for some fans of the online shooter genre).

Grubsnik wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
By that logic, in the real world China, Japan, England, France, Spain, and really, most of the rest of the world should have better militaries than the US, but we all know thats not true.

A believer in 'quantity has a quality all of its own', eh?

Except the US has quality and quantity over everyone else.

More to the point, chaos0xomega, Hivefleet is talking about the asymetric balance the game had, that allowed for distinctive factions to stand a chance against each other on the tabletop even when fluff might say otherwise. A game can rarely be both balanced and realistic or true to the setting. Its why certain historic periods work as games better than others and its why developers have to make compromises to a setting to make a game work.

if GW did re-do the metal battleships in plastic I wouldnt hope for a price reduction


As for BFG getting a re-do I wouldnt mind seeing it, really fun game!

I would definitely get a BFG video game.

I have gotten some of the models but know no one else to play with for table-top.

Still fun to collect though.