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Consider the following , how much would Dakka dish out for this kit? ( In USD ) sorry


No pinning required ( its sculpted into the pieces )
Minimal flash or mold lines
Scenery base included
Scale is 28mm , GW wise , around FW Chaos Greater Daemons

Would you purchase it for wargame count as purpose? or general collection?
Would you be even more interested if the sculpts can be represented as special char in wargame? if so by how much more $

I wouldn't be shocked at an asking price of 200USD or less although I think that's still on the steep side. Maybe 150USDish is more fair? Because it is not GW/FW or (IMO) compatible, I have no interest in purchasing it myself and it's therefore hard for me to say what I would pay in order to give you a sense of its worth otherwise.

What is it?

It would probably be best to mention which currency you are asking about $CAD, $AUD, and $USD even though they are close, are still not on par. Not to mention the differnt prices for products in each nation, even after you consider exchange rate.

Manchu wrote:I wouldn't be shocked at an asking price of 200USD or less although I think that's still on the steep side. Maybe 150USDish is more fair? Because it is not GW/FW or (IMO) compatible, I have no interest in purchasing it myself and it's therefore hard for me to say what I would pay in order to give you a sense of its worth otherwise.

So basically quality of it is $150-$200 ish?

And depending if its useable in Warhammer ( sculpted to fit in wrahammer ) how much would you increase the worth by?

I say right about $200 isn't bad. The thing is on par with the Confrontation Dragon Titan, and that was a similar price.

It is reasonably sexy, but how it interacts with any GW game has no effect on price or value to me.

It is a really nice sculpt, even if personally I am not a fan of Chaos models (except Chaos Dwarfs ).
It is certianly worth at least 100 $, but as the potential customer base is already small, the final price will further influence it.
Looks similar to what Raging Heroes release BTW.

While highly detailed, I really don't really like the sculpt/design very much.

However, I believe other similar products will go for between $100-$200.

Personally I would not buy it even if I had the money.

It's a gorgeous piece. I could never afford even the bottom line price but; knowing how production costs can add up, paying the sculptor at least minimum wage, and contracting the moldmaking/casting I would expect between $200 and $250 usd for a low/medium production run.
The model itself looks almost straight out of the anima tactics line and far removed from the warhammer aesthetic. The styling is very much to my liking.

The idea that you would ask

Would you be even more interested if the sculpts can be represented as special char in wargame? if so by how much more $

bothers me. You should charge based on production cost and desired profit margin.

Just my take.

While its a nice model, it seems more to me like a Sodapop Minis Relic Knight, which I paid around $60 for.

Just a few questions for you.

How exactly are you going to get the model to not require pinning? I know you said its sculpted into the peices, but in my experiance any large kit still needs to be pinned due to shrinking and inconsistanceys in the molding process.

Is the cost of the scenic base increaseing your perceived price of the model? If so this would probably be a deal breaker for me, since if I'm going to go about painting this sucker I'm going to make my own base...

Either way the model looks really good.

that would make one gorgous daemon prince o.o;

I chose 0 dollars. I wouldn't buy it. I don't like the mode as it is now.

LunaHound wrote:

It's beautiful sculpting. The detail is amazing. I just don't like the 6 arms or the centaur body. If he was just a well-posed bipedal demon with a those 6 arms as options on a two-armed model, I would pay easily up to $200. I wouldn't have any interest in the base, though. If the base was an optional add-on to the kit, that would make the kit even more appealing to me.

I think the two topmost arms are posed terribly. Since they are sculpted straight out from the shoulder joint, they appear to be bent a little backwards. Then, the two arms holding the halberd are out front, effective blocking any use of the last set of arms. I don't know. They just look all crammed in together.



The centaur body gives me flashbacks to the pain that was Magtheridon's Lair in Burning Crusade.

lol



Ghidorah

I too chose $0. The model looks WAY to busy with all the arms and weapons and the tail and then OH theres a weird head thing sticking out of the bladder area.


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So what is the range from again?

I would pay AUD$150, if it was fully painted on its painted display base.

Mainly, the fixed pose ruins this model. Lacking a dynamic pose - not to mention it is too busy to be standing still - is its major drawback.

Wait, 150AUD fully painted? It costs much more than that to have a great painter do a terminator-sized model. I guess you're really, really offsetting what you don't like about the model.

LunaHound wrote:And depending if its useable in Warhammer ( sculpted to fit in wrahammer ) how much would you increase the worth by?

I believe that this factor is very significant. After all, that's what makes people buy an otherwise worthless piece of plastic/resin poorly sculpted by any number of third party companies. To a wargamer, being able to fit a model into the aesthetic of an army is a huge deal. Otherwise, you're appealing to the modelling crowd. Maybe you ought to post this on a fine scale modelling forum and ask those guys to appraise this.

personally, I would buy one just to paint, who or what company is making it?

I don't have a use for it (and wouldn't buy it), but it's stunning.

I'd guess around $200 or a bit higher.

I don't $200 - $300, shipping not included, is unreasonable.

Grrr.
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Tbh it's pretty artless and over ornate and just looks like some JRPG boss. Japanese demons are just a bit over exposed + the fact it has obviously been done on a computer.. If it has not been done on computer the sculpter should stick to jewellery or ornament design it is far better suited to his skills.

Not that I'd buy one, but somewhere around $200 seems reasonable for a sculpt of that size and detail.

If I had to buy something like that to play a miniatures wargame, I would discount the value to $150. Even that is pushing the limits on what I wound spend on a "toy" versus a "display piece."

I'd say around $100 just because I can never justify spending more than that on one model.

That's a good point, biccat, and it reveals an interesting phenomenon: we're willing to pay more for something that will sit around than something we can "use."

I also agree with Perkustin's comment about this looking like a JRPG boss. Just to be clear, I'm talking about how much I'd imagine someone would ask for the model and not how much I would pay for it. Like others, I would pay 0 USD and if someone did just give this to me I'd pass it along, too.

I'd pay $150 us, same as for some of the bigger FW kits. I don't play Daemons but I have purchased assembled and painted a few models outside of my range because I liked them, eg. a Soulgrinder, Hellpit Abomination, and some of the old Armorcast Battletech mechs. I'd consider this one, depending on the price, but for any investment of over $100, I'd want to see multiple pics from different angles, the way FW does, before I shell out any money.

Manchu wrote:That's a good point, biccat, and it reveals an interesting phenomenon: we're willing to pay more for something that will sit around than something we can "use."

If I'm going to use it in a wargame, I'm going to paint it myself. If it's going to be a piece of art, then I'm going to let someone else handle it, because I can always see the flaws in my own work, and I'd never appreciate it as much.

Although I'm sure there are others who would pay more if they slap a trademark on it. This, in fact, appears to be Games Workshop's marketing strategy.

Wouldn't pay a thing for it, simply because its not to my taste. Sure the sculpt is amazing from a technique standpoint but the posing and fine detail is just... well I'd have to change far too much myself to consider buying this. Also I really don't buy the 'no pinning required'; true if it was purely for display but I'm not convinced it would hold for gaming use.

It's a gorgeous sculpt. Aesthetically-speaking I can't find anything wrong with it. I just don't like the aesthetic. I've never been into daemons, I guess.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a $200+ price tag on it. Actually, I think it might even be fair to charge $300+, but even if it's worth that in terms of quality at that price I expect you would have trouble getting people to buy it. Because getting people to justify spending more than $200 on a single model is probably going to be tough no matter how good it is.

Whether or not it fits with GW has zero bearing on my opinion. Actually, strike that. I think I'd pay more for it not fitting into GW, because the less neatly something fits into GW's model line the more chance it has of being a totally unique creation that I couldn't buy/convert from other companies' models.

I think its an alright model.. Too many arms but I like the torso. Centaur legs are okay since it gives it a unique feel for 40k. The main issue I got is what do I use it for? I play custom apoc games, so thats an option

If I just wanted to put it into a case then it would have a value of 0.. very very few people give a damn about your models that you show off in fancy glass cases. I have like 60k of painted stuff but theyre just on shelves in the basement and only organized for my own benefit

But I also would live in a house with no random amenities and only functionally useful devices or objects. I suppose its fortunate my wife disagrees! (shes an artist too).. Im too logical to really appreciate art for arts sake

Unfortunately I would say it is too big to serve any real functional use and that means less buyers. I mostly like the sculpt but it could do with at least two less arms and the thing protruding from the groin just looks odd to me. The cost of manufacturing it alone will mean it would probably be cost around $250 - $300 (American anyway). At that price I wouldn't be interested in it and at the price I would by it for you wouldn't be interested in selling it to me.