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Another independent retailer speaks out with a constructive video about recent events in GW.

It was a very well put argument. I didn't agree with the posturing on how great GW is/was, but I understand why he did that. Unfortunately I think this will fall on death ears.

I just saw that video a minute ago, some good points such as the photo removal, but I think GW will just simply gnore the video. If you got a retalier telling the big dog corporation what to do, then something is wrong.

Games workshop does what it does, it ignores outcries of critics and fans alike and plods along acroding to its plan. The day they have to compete is the day the company will be reborn to a working model. Until then their the tyranasaurus of the industry, powerful but the asteriod is coming, and it dosent seem like they are going to move.


Sadly I think the only change that will come from this video is GW saying OH YEAH TOUGH GUY?! and removing his right to carry product.

Seeing as big miniwargaming is, this is bound to get somewhere. If it gets to GW they will either ignore it or put a fence up on Miniwargaming.

A Black Ram wrote: Seeing as big miniwargaming is, this is bound to get somewhere. If it gets to GW they will either ignore it or put a fence up on Miniwargaming.

If GW puts a fence on Miniwargaming, they will be shooting themselves in the foot big time.

blah blah

I'll keep buying. Uninterrupted and unaffected.

Ultrafool wrote:

A Black Ram wrote: Seeing as big miniwargaming is, this is bound to get somewhere. If it gets to GW they will either ignore it or put a fence up on Miniwargaming.

If GW puts a fence on Miniwargaming, they will be shooting themselves in the foot big time.

Where have you been the past three weeks?

Byte wrote:blah blah

I'll keep buying. Uninterrupted and unaffected.

And that is exactly what GW want you to do. Eventually even the fanbois will feel as if GW has bent them over and given them a good seeing to every time they hand over their cash.

dimmy52 wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:

A Black Ram wrote: Seeing as big miniwargaming is, this is bound to get somewhere. If it gets to GW they will either ignore it or put a fence up on Miniwargaming.

If GW puts a fence on Miniwargaming, they will be shooting themselves in the foot big time.

Where have you been the past three weeks?

Where have I been? In the great outdoors of course! Its pretty, so many colors and detail........ Just kidding

Ok I'll rephrase! GW will be shooting themselves in the head! Since they are going to be closing off one of biggest small shop in Canada that has a BIG GW fanbase. And since MWG is big online, no doubt that other retailers will be angered and boycott GW products and GW will have to rely on brick and motar stores and soon fail on to itself. Thats my theory.

And since MWG is big online, no doubt that other retailers will be angered and boycott GW products and GW will have to rely on brick and motar stores and soon fail on to itself. Thats my theory.

I don't understand your theory. (firstly, GW won't cut someone off for offering something like this.) But why would you think other retailers would boycott GW?


Edit:
Just watched the video. Some points good, some iffy. Not compelling enough that it's going to have much of a chance of having an effect.

One critique I'd make is the background. Maybe they were trying to make a point shooting it in front of a wall of PP products, but it was a very skimpy display of product, not laid out well, and they were using a rack GW gave them for free to hold some of the PP boxes.) A better background might have been a full wall of PP and other non-GW games, if that was the point they wanted to make.

Grimtuff wrote:

Byte wrote:blah blah

I'll keep buying. Uninterrupted and unaffected.

And that is exactly what GW want you to do. Eventually even the fanbois will feel as if GW has bent them over and given them a good seeing to every time they hand over their cash.

You keep your opinion and I'll keep mine. I've been with GW since 1995 and this isn't the first time they've been "controversial".

I think this was very well put, entirely constructive and polite whilst making a serious point.

I liked that he stood in front of the PP games, perhaps to add a point...

I'm highly doubtful that this will be responded to, if it is then I fear it will be yet more self aggrandising and blithe confidence.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think this was very well put, entirely constructive and polite whilst making a serious point.

I liked that he stood in front of the PP games, perhaps to add a point...

He said it's the only angle in the shop where there's not a window or glare.

But yeah, it definitely was very well put and mostly constructive. The only thing I had issue with was his comparison of the two starter sets and backtracking a bit to say that "Well of course Privateer Press requires you to buy the same general material as well". It just interrupted the flow, that's all.

Byte wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

Byte wrote:blah blah

I'll keep buying. Uninterrupted and unaffected.

And that is exactly what GW want you to do. Eventually even the fanbois will feel as if GW has bent them over and given them a good seeing to every time they hand over their cash.

You keep your opinion and I'll keep mine. I've been with GW since 1995 and this isn't the first time they've been "controversial".

I have been playing since the very launch of 3rd ed, and while its not the first controversy, there not the only game in town anymore. Dont think they can be as arrogant as they were in the 90s and brush it off like lint on a shirt.

mikhaila wrote:And since MWG is big online, no doubt that other retailers will be angered and boycott GW products and GW will have to rely on brick and motar stores and soon fail on to itself. Thats my theory.

I don't understand your theory. (firstly, GW won't cut someone off for offering something like this.) But why would you think other retailers would boycott GW?

Because it is unfair, GW products are very popular at MWG and many other gaming stores. If GW closes shop on them then they will lose business just because they told GW that they aren't liking the way they are running things. I would be pretty mad if I owned a small flgs and saw that happen, if GW can't take critism from a retailer that sells their product, then I have no business with GW. I know that GW will not cut off MWG, but it is fun to play out the what "if" card.

what i don't understand is that alot of the new gw kits are actually being made in australia such as the wyches and kabalite warrior kits. why make these kits so epensive when they are made in a cheaper market than say england. (don't know were other kits are made)

I like Miniwargaming. He made some great points and i have to agree; the setting for 40k/FB may be great but its behind a giant wall of burning spikes. PR is bad, customer service is bad, and the setting will only carry that so far before enough is enough.

Quite a good video but, as a customer rather than a retailer, I don't like his point about the PR. To him, trying to avoid "perfect storm"s of bad PR is a good thing: if GW's decisions are made more palatable to Joe Average, more people will buy GW's products. To me, it's a bad thing: it's a bandaid that hides the rot beneath. A "perfect storm" of bad PR is actually in my best interests, because it means that GW might suffer enough to fix the underlying problems, or they may at least fail and become a cautionary tale to future companies, "Don't screw over your customers or your business will collapse, just like GW!"

We should complain about more up to date/active FAQs/errata or prize support for major tourneys or lack of models for range or...

O wait, we complain about all those things... Why do we even play GW games... Just saying. Maybe if they gave armies away for free and let players make up the rules. Hmmm.

Byte wrote:Why do we even play GW games...

Couldn't possibly be they have good settings and backgrounds for the games.

Orock wrote:

Byte wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

Byte wrote:blah blah

I'll keep buying. Uninterrupted and unaffected.

And that is exactly what GW want you to do. Eventually even the fanbois will feel as if GW has bent them over and given them a good seeing to every time they hand over their cash.

You keep your opinion and I'll keep mine. I've been with GW since 1995 and this isn't the first time they've been "controversial".

I have been playing since the very launch of 3rd ed, and while its not the first controversy, there not the only game in town anymore. Dont think they can be as arrogant as they were in the 90s and brush it off like lint on a shirt.

*edited* ignore.

Well said and some valid points.

He should have written it all down beforehand, he rambled too much in parts and took too long to get his point across. He reminds me of my boss, she'll keep making the same point over and over until you want to shake her and tell her you got it the first time.

Buy. A. Tripod!

AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyway, good video. I've sent it around.

Good video. Best response so far. It's not perfect but show me a better one?

More power to them. It's up to us, as fans, to spread the word around. Or spam GW's facebook with the video. muwhahahahahaha

Nicely articulated and some valid points. I'm unsure if the globalization/currency issues can be solved as simply as you state----but regardless it's better than their current solution.




I'm sure GW's response will follow;



That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. Overruled.

Oh, if only all discussions about GW were this civilized and well-thought out. It's a shame that this won't get a decent response from the Evil Empire. He seemed really genuine.

If most of you are concerned that GW will ignore what he says, it's all the more reason why you should write a serious letter to GW about these issues as well as put in a link and say you sponsor the video

LumenPraebeo wrote:If most of you are concerned that GW will ignore what he says, it's all the more reason why you should write a serious letter to GW about these issues as well as put in a link and say you sponsor the video

And that's going to make them listen?

That was an Enjoyable video, I think it was well put, but I doubt it will have any effect on GW. The only thing that is going to affect them is a steep drop in sales.