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I have to say that the artwork of the plastic miniatures themselves is poor changed pathetic to poor as it was unintentionally flamey


It is tedious to look at ,

immature

repetitive

uninspiring

and when standing together as a troop on the board, so often looks like a mangled blob of smarty colored spaghetti


or in less words P..s Poor plagiarism


Exceptions to my above description are few and far between while ordinarily i would let such matters pass me by , i feel the table top gaming community has been fed 20 years of sniveling pap by GW splastic designers .....why do i have a such feeling of utter contempt for the bulk of their efforts ? ....Simple , untold man years of wasted human endeavor has been put into in creating them.

what a waste of time and effort !



Now i know that many of you may have your favorites , some might even be a fan of their obscure, plethoric mono cultural decorative style....but that is not the point & not MY point

In general they lack all credibility & any sense of anesthetic beauty.


The greater sin is all this has been done on a planet which has such an exquisite natural world to draw upon , in addition we have a good selection from the last 650 million years as part of our heritage. If that was not enough inspirational material to get an artist going , then remember we also have 1000s of years of cultural history from dozens of civilizations. Last but not least a stupendous catalog of scince fiction , horror and fantasy in film and print that if stacked end to end would stretch beyond the moons of Jupiter.


What kind of feeble, cretinous and insular minds can be surrounded by such beauty and inspiration and yet still be ignorant of what please the human eye

to the artists responsible for the plastic " shame on you, shame on you and shame on you again ....your folly knows few bounds "



Added " Whats your favorite Miniature and why ? "
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378694.page

Obvious troll is obvious.

Obvious beauty is Obvious

Q which of the 1000 or so games workshop creations has become a universal icon , top 100 monster , spaceship or alien race ?
of all time ?

A none !




Q Which of the 1000s or so creation would be recognized and nameable by the uninformed man woman or child in the street ?

A None , save perhaps the space hulk marine , which would prolly be mistaken for Buzz lightyear



Q when is a troll not a troll

A when he makes a damn good point & speaks the truth


Further more im quite happy to give out examples and the reason for their lack of merit

Landraider copyright of the MOD >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I >> blatant copy not original in any way >> GW version ill proportioned

Predator Turret copyright of the MOD >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_tank >> blatant copy not original in any way >> GW version out of proportion to the chassis it now sits on

Rhino copyright of the MOD >> http://miliblog.co.uk/?p=548 >> blatant copy not original in any way , right down to the triple smoke launchers ...to be fair GW didn't this screw copy up



now let me see if i have this right....the year is 40k AD and the space marines get a WW1 tank , a ww2 APC , and tank made by combining a ww2 apc with a coldwar scouttank
= GW's premier team the space marines ...so we have 3 vehicles of with sloping angles , [ no doubt the weak and feeble reason for lumping them together ] ...these vehicles are dissonant in their proportions both of themselves and to each other. Instantly recognizable vehicle Icons that where blatantly stolen from three well known & historically distinct era's.

Plagiarism = 100% ( outright theft of intellectual copyright )
Bandwagon = 100% ( taken what has already been proven by history to be iconic )
Shoehorning = 100% ( wearing someone else ill fitting clothes )
Vision = 0% ( blending of ingredients )
Creativity 0% ( not a single drop as far as i can see)

i rest my Example case : ref SM vehicles ...i could write a whole book on the art of plagiarism , but that is just one of many ills that GW plastic miniatures suffer from. Yes the plastic is sculpted and formed with technical proficiency. But what an utter waste of manufacturing capability when it is not matched up with the creativity of artists with soul, spirit & a strong cohesive style.

I read your post but my eyes glazed over and I started frothing at the mouth. Your second message was edited 17 times as of this writing, holy hell. I think you're saying you find 40k's overall aesthetic uninspired? Your formatting is bonkers and your grammar leaves a lot to be desired.

Whatever you're on man, cut the dose.

Next you'll be telling us they didn't invent laser guns and missile launchers...

ShatteredBlade wrote:Whatever you're on man, cut the dose.

Or maybe he's not getting enough of it...

I know I went crazy when my meds weren't high enough. ^^

Edit, just noticed, yay! Rank-up!

On topic though...

So long as they keep making form-fitting power armor with boob pockets for an all-female army, I'm a happy camper. ^^

swuk wrote:
It is tedious to look at ,

immature

repetitive

uninspired

Oh, that's gold.

There are opinions and there are facts

It is tedious to look at ,

immature

repetitive

uninspired

...and these are the facts ,

yes there is some good stuff in the range " but at least half " the miniatures fall into one or more of these traps. A small % of dull miniatures that miss the mark is to be expected of any range. GW 40k collection suffers badly.

Ive given you the example of the SM tanks now lets look at the Tyranids

The B monster movie award goes to, the red terror , death leaper

The Blobomatic award goes too , Biovore & freinds , ripper swarm , Zoanthrop

the rest of the Tyranid range suffers from flailing arms n legs syndrome. A single fifure in isolation held up to the eye may scrape a pass. From more than a foot away a group of them merges into eye spaghetti. In some case one has too look twice to distinguish one unit form the other. These are not fearsome aliens that keep you awake at night. They are more akin to a swarm of wasps with octopus claws. Some of them dont even look as if they can stand on their own legs let alone move at a threatening pace.

Take note that Giger's alien was an ambush predator not a battle field soldier , and in Aliens 3 it took a more cheetah like form ( it too lost credibility when it decided to run on the ceiling and defied the laws of physics and biology) In short the Tyranid forms and function flout common sense. Fantasy can be anything you like. But only becomes credible when it is in keeping with what could be. Form and function are the wise mans guide...if it looks stupid , walks stupid it probably is stupid. This is why the bulk of the Tyranid army literally falls flat on its face for me...but then again ive never worked in B movies.

Comedy gold.

swuk wrote:I have to say that the artwork of the plastic miniatures themselves is pathetic

Give an example.

and when standing together as a troop on the board, so often looks like a mangled blob of smarty colored spaghetti

Are you still talking about the artwork or something else?

The greater sin is all this has been done on a planet which has such an exquisite natural world to draw upon , in addition we have a good selection from the last 650 million years as part of our heritage.

What do you mean, do you want dinosaurs in the artwork?

What kind of feeble, cretinous and insular minds can be surrounded by such beauty and inspiration and yet still be ignorant of what please the human eye

Hard to say when I have no idea what you are on about.

I'm curious as to the point of this topic.

Were you trying to gain something from this topic? Was your goal to round up supporters?

I'm taking it "swuk" that you have also never heard of conversions? Back in the old day when GW actually reccomended it and gave tips to help accomplish it. Or are you just not creative enough or "Uninspiring" enough to be able to create something unique of your own?

All aboard your fail boat 'toot toot'

If GW was a new company they could be forgiven. After 20 years they could have refined their miniatures to perfection.

Im well aware of the modding potential , and that high fantasy pushes past the limits of common sense and good taste. Even within the remit of high fantasy there is much scope for greater cohesion , differentiation and clarity.

This is not a 40k sucks cos i say so rant. But its a constructive criticism with examples. Im not here to win friends or gain enemies , lol.

Im am here to point out that if GW made the effort everyone would be better off and that much prouder and that much more encouraged to commit to the hobby.
It is important to realize the heavily overdecorated miniatures may attract 1 fellow , but they will repel many more with their vulgarity.
The current spread of 40k miniatures is tipped heavily toward the vulgar. A more bell shaped curve would attract a large audience & encourage the to stay.

While one can expect greater artistic license with the fantasy series , one would expect a little more restraint & true to life realism with armies and a story based in a technologically advanced future. In short GW has overcooked the high fantasy aspect of the 40k series , to the extent that the cake has been burnt.

I do not have a clue what are you on about. The miniatures are fine.

swuk wrote:But its a constructive criticism with examples.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

But keep going man - don't let us stop you. This is the funniest thread I've read in weeks, and after all the crap GW's been pulling lately we need a little laughter.

This thread is even better than http://10k.aneventapart.com/Uploads/262/#

Well space hulk came out in what 1980 something, before I was born, wherein toy story came out in 94 so buzz is more of a clone, as far as not being famous remember I really doubt 1 in 1000 have heard of Warhammer 40k. And also they are deliberately going for historical parallels.

I will give examples of this:
Space Marines are Knights
Imperial Guard is the Red Army
Tau represent Rome.
Orks are a stereotypical barbarian horde.
Immortal Emperor=/= the ideology of Pharoahs
Horus could easily be Mordred from Arthurian mythos
Chaos elements are the downfall of empires (Bloodlust, Disease, Decadence)
End list.
Now the colors draw an inspiration of Militaries, from 1700s European soldiers(look at all the red/blue) to now with US Army using ACUs fairly universally.

End result is Bad Troll

Wardragoon wrote:Tau represent Rome.

They d... what?

D'ya wanna elaborate on that a little for us.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:Tau represent Rome.

They d... what?

D'ya wanna elaborate on that a little for us.

Probably referring to their extensive use of auxiliary forces.

I'd also like some explanation on that one.

Happily, small sized compared to every other threat around them, superior tactics at the time, use of auxillaries, and superior equipment, willingness to use diplomacy(remember much of Gaul fell to diplomacy not just use of the sword)


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Obviously I mean preJulian Rome.

swuk wrote:
Further more im quite happy to give out examples and the reason for their lack of merit

Landraider copyright of the MOD >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I >> blatant copy not original in any way >> GW version ill proportioned

Predator Turret copyright of the MOD >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_tank >> blatant copy not original in any way >> GW version out of proportion to the chassis it now sits on

Rhino copyright of the MOD >> http://miliblog.co.uk/?p=548 >> blatant copy not original in any way , right down to the triple smoke launchers ...to be fair GW didn't this screw copy up

You do realize there is a difference between directly copying something and using similar design elements.

I have to say that the artwork of the plastic miniatures themselves is pathetic

I disagree. Otherwise I wouldn't be buying them.

Ugavine wrote:

I have to say that the artwork of the plastic miniatures themselves is pathetic

I disagree. Otherwise I wouldn't be buying them.

Also it is really fun

I'm torn between rofllmao, or gtfo.

swuk wrote:I have to say that the artwork of the plastic miniatures themselves is pathetic

I got a bit confused at this bit, do you mean the aesthetic appeal of the plastic minis themselves? or the art that inspired it?

I think they look real cool, so do many of the immature children who wonder into the stores, hell even mature men who stroll into the store are amazed at how cool they are.
GW would certainly not be in business for 20 years as THE war gaming company if all the minis are truly pathetic.

As was said in the very first post, obvious troll is obvious

swuk wrote:
It is tedious to look at ,

immature

repetitive

uninspiring

What is all this nonsense going on in this thread?

I'm really not sure what this thread is all about. In other news, the OP's writing style is very

hard to read,

disorganized,

and immature.

Let the lulz commence.

swuk wrote:
It is tedious to look at ,

immature

repetitive

uninspiring

Immature.....most of us are probably adults playing with plastic soldiers, comes with the territory(which I am personally fine with)
Repetitive....welcome to military genre in general
Uninspiring.....Both welcome to the military, and they are not trying to be omg unique.

fox-light713 wrote:

swuk wrote:
Further more im quite happy to give out examples and the reason for their lack of merit

Landraider copyright of the MOD >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I >> blatant copy not original in any way >> GW version ill proportioned

Predator Turret copyright of the MOD >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpion_tank >> blatant copy not original in any way >> GW version out of proportion to the chassis it now sits on

Rhino copyright of the MOD >> http://miliblog.co.uk/?p=548 >> blatant copy not original in any way , right down to the triple smoke launchers ...to be fair GW didn't this screw copy up

You do realize there is a difference between directly copying something and using similar design elements.

Yes but if you look GW efforts are near identical to the real steel. that steel comes with history. History completely unrelated to wh40k or anything one might expect to be associated with an army of space marines fighting in the year 40,000 AD

The ww1 tank is classed as steampunk, like HGwells time machine or the Nautilus in 20,000 leagues under the sea. They are totally out of place with jetpacks. The space marine bikes look as if they come of a beech buggy or even worse , the latest craze for ultra fat wheels on shows like "bling my wheels" . Take the space marine chain sword, that is 100% steam punk / mad max at odds with the blues and reds of stock marine colors.


You see , everything is fighting each other stylistically. A steam punk side would be cool to have , but a chrome flying saucer would look out of place in a steam punk army.


http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/287096/top_75_spaceships_in_movies_and_tv_part_2.html

Xca|iber wrote:What is all this nonsense going on in this thread?

I'm really not sure what this thread is all about. In other news, the OP's writing style is very

hard to read,

disorganized,

and immature.

Let the lulz commence.

What are you talking about?

There is

nothing

wrong with the

way

the OP has constructed his posts!

The way he has put them together

is

possibly the most inspired thing I've ever

seen

at Dakka. We all wish we

could

post like he does!

I find his use of BOLD

and

Strange sentence formating Inspiring!