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We’re pleased to announce the latest details and info for the DaBoyz Grand Tournament. This is the sixth year in a row we are running the event.

The 2011 DaBoyz GT will be held October 21, 22, and 23, 2011. This will be a three day event, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Updated rules can be found at our brand new website:
http://www.daboyzgt.com

Ticket Sales and Registration
Ticket sales are now live! Ticket ordering information and the hotel discount can be found on the web site. Additional events will be added as they are confirmed.

http://www.daboyzgt.com


Sponsorship
We want to thank the fantastic sponsorship we got from last year. This sponsorship has grown for this year. We are very grateful for all the donations we have received. Thanks to the generosity of our sponsors last year, we offered a huge array of perks and rewards for our attendees. We’re very grateful for the generous donations for our gaming and charity events, and for the time and assistance we received from our volunteer staffers.


Location
The 2011 DaBoyz GT is being held at:
Main Street Armory, 900 Main Street Armory. Rochester, NY
http://www.rochestermainstreetarmory.com/
It is located in downtown Rochester close to several hotels and restaurants. The Armory itself is over 10,000 Sq. Ft. Space that includes its own restaurant. The armory will also have a cash bar and vending stand with a buffet to sell food throughout the weekend.


The Event
The event features a two-day, 6 games, 120-player Warhammer 40,000 Grand Tournament. This will take place on Saturday and Sunday. There will also be Warhammer Fantasy Independent Tournament. Both tournaments are part of the National Tournament and will be given invites from Games Workshop for the Nationals in 2012. The National tournament will be held at the end of the Indy GT season.
Also on Friday this year, we will be running an America Team Event.
Other great events and features include:
• A food and cash bar will be available in the gaming hall. A full service restaurant is also located inside the same building.
• Shuttle service to and from local hotels and the Rochester airport.
• Large Apocalypse event.
• Great prizes, cool swag, and t-shirts

• Vendors area

Limited space is still available for clubs to run events and for retailers in the dealer room. Also welcome are volunteers to help with convention staffing. If you’d like to be a part of one of the premiere events in the Northeast, contact us today!

Well, that comp is certainly unforgiving if you want to take a good list to murder face with.

Wow, the Armory, I love that place. Very cool venue for the event.

Maybe since moving my curse has been lifted and I'll finally be able to attend a GT. Here's hoping.

Kurgash wrote:Well, that comp is certainly unforgiving if you want to take a good list to murder face with.

That comp is unforgiving unless you build anything less than an army particularly for this tournament.

It's the worst example of "forcing us to play with the toys THEY want us to play with" that I've ever seen.


It's ok though...it's easy enough to skip that tourney and go to one that's more "player friendly". Good luck with the tournement at any rate.

That is a seriously nasty comp sheet. I'd have to play around with it to see how to break it.

For fun a quick look. Ouch, my all foot loganwing is at -10 (starting at 80). My Deathwing is actually at 40 and so barely legal to play. My Orks on the other hand come in at an awesome -120

I must build total D-bag lists

wish y'all luck.

Hi

Looking forward to attending again this year. It's always a blast. Last year, I got to play 3 members of Team America, defeating 2 and narrowly losing to Space Curves on the secondary objective while drawing the other two.

Hulk, I think you are missing their point about their comp system. The comp is intended to encourage variety and really has nothing to do with power level. That being said, it certainly changes what a powerful army might be/look like...

My variety driven Ork army from 2010 scores a perfect 80, my Tau list from 2009 on the other hand a paltry 25, while my Necrons fails with -10 thanks to plenty of repetition and the inclusion of NightBringer, who I assume is a "named/special character." Of the three, I think my Orks are the best list in terms of power, but it has plenty of variety.

Cheers,
Nate

I agree with Carlos

I went last year and had a blast with my Tau and scored max comp points. I'm looking forward to this.

Oh yea, not to mention Rochester has Yeuling on tap

I didn't miss the point. I get that it's to encourage variety. I'm just not a fan of the named character dropping you by 25% off the total starting and 40% from the "playable" allowance. On that note why even have 30pts being "playable"? Why not start at 50 and you need to have a score to play?

There are other things that annoy me about it but it does make my choice of attendance a little easier. Not saying it's not a great event because I hear it is. It'll probably sell out again and be a blast to attend. I personally can't justify a plane ticket to attend it. Good luck to those attending as I'm sure it'll be great. Jay and them run a top knotch event.

On that note why even have 30pts being "playable"? Why not start at 50 and you need to have a score to play?

carlosthecraven wrote:
The comp is intended to encourage variety and really has nothing to do with power level.

Ummm...why?

After all, GW itself doesnt...if you've seen any of the recent codexes.

Same weekend as the Ard Boyz finals. Not a big deal for most folks....just saying.

Obviously you will encourage variety by limiting the options, anyone with half a brain could see that.

Here's my potential list (with max points, if I did the math properly)

CCS, LC, Banner, astropath
5x stormtroopers, melta x2
2x Melta vets in chimera
melta vets
Penal Legion
PCS w/ flamer x4
4x Infantry squad with meltas, autocannons, pwoer weapons, 1x commissar w/ power weapon

Valyrie
Vendetta
Manticore
Hydra x3

I guess that's a pretty varied list, but it's still nasty.

Every year it is the same thing... A bunch of people with no intention of attending the event angry up the forum because they can't stand someone somewhere plays the game in a way they don't like. If the people attending enjoy the format, good for them? There is plenty of room for different formats. If you don't like Comp... don't participate? live and let live?

Personally, I have been trying to attend this and I might get to this year. I am excited I can take something totally different from my NOVA and 'ard Boyz lists and end up playing against something besides the same distilled internet metalists. Sounds fun, a good day of gaming and seems like a well-run event. I might even get to use Flash Gitz in a tourney list for once!

Maybe people in this thread should listen to Insaniak from the 2010 thread:

Indeed. Save the comp discussion for a comp discussion thread. Let's leave this thread for discussing the event

nkelsch wrote:Every year it is the same thing... A bunch of people with no intention of attending the event angry up the forum because they can't stand someone somewhere plays the game in a way they don't like. If the people attending enjoy the format, good for them? There is plenty of room for different formats. If you don't like Comp... don't participate? live and let live?

Personally, I have been trying to attend this and I might get to this year. I am excited I can take something totally different from my NOVA and 'ard Boyz lists and end up playing against something besides the same distilled internet metalists. Sounds fun, a good day of gaming and seems like a well-run event. I might even get to use Flash Gitz in a tourney list for once!

Maybe people in this thread should listen to Insaniak from the 2010 thread:

Indeed. Save the comp discussion for a comp discussion thread. Let's leave this thread for discussing the event

I don't recall anyone getting upset or angry. In fact, I disagree and wish the tournament well.

The simple fact is that the comp system here makes no more sense than imposing mandatory 6 troop choice armies with an HQ choice leading each squad.

It makes no sense, there's no reason for it, and it's not really "Warhammer 40,000".

But like I said, whatever. I suppose these sort of "house rules" are some peoples cup of tea. I prefer playing 40k against other people that play 40k.

Good luck at Da Boyz GT.


EDIT

In fact...it seems like just about everybody who disagrees has said good luck in some fashion or another for the most part.

Just comments here...that's all. No hatred.

Just signed up, and being I will be at thewarstore weekend earlier in the month it should be fun.

nkelsch wrote:Every year it is the same thing... A bunch of people with no intention of attending the event angry up the forum because they can't stand someone somewhere plays the game in a way they don't like. If the people attending enjoy the format, good for them? There is plenty of room for different formats. If you don't like Comp... don't participate? live and let live?

And every year, it's the same thing. People that don't read posts get made because they can't understand that someone would explain why they won't attend an event.

Live and let live, indeed.

Why is there no comp against monstrous creatures? If my list is neutered how could I deal with a bunch of them?


I personally like that comp sheet, it's just another way to play...I just think they need to add more to it before I'd attend. Comp the crap out of every army!!

I think that it's a great event for people that enjoy semi-competitive games, have large collections, and can get into the spirit.

That said, I'm going to make serious effort to get there.

I think this makes for a very interesting tournament environment..

(Biel-tan Fluff Army - WooHoo!)

looking forward to attending!

Polonius wrote:

nkelsch wrote:Every year it is the same thing... A bunch of people with no intention of attending the event angry up the forum because they can't stand someone somewhere plays the game in a way they don't like. If the people attending enjoy the format, good for them? There is plenty of room for different formats. If you don't like Comp... don't participate? live and let live?

And every year, it's the same thing. People that don't read posts get made because they can't understand that someone would explain why they won't attend an event.

Live and let live, indeed.

I think the thread could do without people saying "yes, you are not playing real 40k... but if you enjoy not playing 40k, then good luck!" and similar backhanded unhelpful insults and comentary on COMP in general. Just like last year and the year before...

I know why people won't attend... And I don't have any issue with it... what I can't understand is how come people can't keep it to themselves and have a driven urge to tear down comp events in these forums, especially for events they never had any intention in ever participating in.

I think it's sort of something you accept one way or another. With the way the NOVA brackets Day 2 this year, it accomplishes precisely the same intent as comp - whatever your list, you're competing fairly against peers on day 2, for actual prizes, and so greater variety can be brought.

There are certainly people who don't like anything that changes anything, so they're going to comment ... and it's the internet, so they're going to comment in ways they wouldn't in person (sadly).

IT's good to champion an event, but I think DaBoyz at this point is comfortable / used to it, and their constituency is as well.

As an aside, b/c I'd like to at some point make a DaBoyz GT (with any luck, this year), this is probably something like what I'd bring (With 3 seconds of thought put into it):

Company Command Squad w/ Meltaguns, Astro
Commissar Lord w/ Camo/Fist

3 x Meltavet squads, 2 in Chimeras
Flamer vet squad
Platoon command and 2 Infantry Squads w/ Autocannons on all 3

5 Stormtroopers w/ 2 meltas
3 Ogryns (or perhaps some Ratlings) for the Lord Com

Vendetta w/ Heavy Bolters
Valkryie w/ MRPs

Demolisher w/ HHF
Manticore

I don't think the comp impacts its commonality or potency at all, and it's an 80 point list according to their rubric, plus I have the models for it painted.

nkelsch wrote:
I think the thread could do without people saying "yes, you are not playing real 40k... but if you enjoy not playing 40k, then good luck!" and similar backhanded unhelpful insults and comentary on COMP in general. Just like last year and the year before...

True. Of course, holding posts to the standard of "could the thread do without this" isn't the most practical.

And not every person reading this thread read the ones prior. It's not utterly out of line to point out to new readers that there is a very demanding comp requirement. It could be done with mroe tact than some people have, but it's still worth pointing out.

As for the actuall comment of "real 40k," well, yeah, it's harsh, but it's at least defensible.

I know why people won't attend... And I don't have any issue with it... what I can't understand is how come people can't keep it to themselves and have a driven urge to tear down comp events in these forums, especially for events they never had any intention in ever participating in.

Ok, this thread is essnetially an advertisment, or inducement, to attend an event. People are saying why they won't attend, and maybe the organizers will alter their way of running things to accomodate.

Polonius wrote:
Ok, this thread is essnetially an advertisment, or inducement, to attend an event. People are saying why they won't attend, and maybe the organizers will alter their way of running things to accomodate.

I can guarentee that DaBoyz GT will never drop comp from our events. We understand that not everyone enjoys comp or even the idea of comp. We also understand that there is no perfect way of judging comp, hell even our own group has had disagreements on how to do it. However, the rubric we are trying this year is just another crack at getting comp right, if we try enough different ways we are bound to get it right aren't we?

To the people that have already stated they are coming and that they've had a great time in previous years I would like to thank you and promise that you'll have another great year with great people. To the detractors I would hope you reconsider. We do our best to put on a great event with a ton of prize support and great people. Please don't assume comp isn't fun or competitive without trying it at a large event. Give it a try and you might be surprised

Oh, I figured. I was just giving examples of why people might give their opinions when at least one person seems to not want to read them.

I have my thoughts on the rubric, but I figure it'll be fun, and it's in driving distance.

BTW, what is the hotel situation?

Polonius wrote:Oh, I figured. I was just giving examples of why people might give their opinions when at least one person seems to not want to read them.

I have my thoughts on the rubric, but I figure it'll be fun, and it's in driving distance.

BTW, what is the hotel situation?

If you take a look at the bottom right of our page we have some info on the hotel closest to the Main Street Armory. Also, there are a ton of other hotels near Rochester airport.

nkelsch wrote:Every year it is the same thing... A bunch of people with no intention of attending the event angry up the forum because they can't stand someone somewhere plays the game in a way they don't like. If the people attending enjoy the format, good for them? There is plenty of room for different formats. If you don't like Comp... don't participate? live and let live?

Seems like the only person trying to "angry up" the thread is you, brah. Even comp-haters like myself are encouraging folks to enjoy themselves here.

Personally, I have been trying to attend this and I might get to this year. I am excited I can take something totally different from my NOVA and 'ard Boyz lists and end up playing against something besides the same distilled internet metalists. Sounds fun, a good day of gaming and seems like a well-run event. I might even get to use Flash Gitz in a tourney list for once!

You know, contrary to what the internet tells you, not every competitive list is the same. The netlists people complain about never win anything anyway, the better player with the list he's experienced with always comes out on top. Get off your computer more, you'll be surprised at what goes on in the real world.

NoVA and 'Ard Boyz don't forbid you from using Flash Gitz. If you like them, go for it! You don't learn anything unless you experiment.

Crimthaan wrote:I can guarentee that DaBoyz GT will never drop comp from our events. We understand that not everyone enjoys comp or even the idea of comp. We also understand that there is no perfect way of judging comp, hell even our own group has had disagreements on how to do it. However, the rubric we are trying this year is just another crack at getting comp right, if we try enough different ways we are bound to get it right aren't we?
To the people that have already stated they are coming and that they've had a great time in previous years I would like to thank you and promise that you'll have another great year with great people. To the detractors I would hope you reconsider. We do our best to put on a great event with a ton of prize support and great people. Please don't assume comp isn't fun or competitive without trying it at a large event. Give it a try and you might be surprised

I can vouch for 2 things with this crowd. 1) They love their comp and 2) They are incredibly passionate about the hobby and know how to put on a great show. The latter is what's most important.

Normally I wouldn't touch a comp event with 10 foot pole (or, rather, 10 identical 1 foot poles ) for all the usual reasons that don't need to be rehashed here. But this is my old club we're talking about here, I've gotta come out if I can.

For all you competitive types, you gotta approach it with a different view. This is not a competitive tournament, it's the ultimate casual hobby event. Beer & Pretzels. Don't take it very seriously, just show up to meet some great folks, see some amazing armies and chuck dice around.

Looking forward to it.

I like the comp rules. I think it will be fun. Add list making as part of the gaming experience. I think it's perfectly fine to have a few big events with rules like this. I hope I can make it.

Chumbalaya wrote:
For all you competitive types, you gotta approach it with a different view. This is not a competitive tournament, it's the ultimate casual hobby event. Beer & Pretzels. Don't take it very seriously, just show up to meet some great folks, see some amazing armies and chuck dice around.

Good to hear you are coming Chumby! I would however contest your "it's not a competitive tournament". Just because it's comp doesn't mean we don't have competition or that the competition isn't at the same level as say...Nova. The comp just makes you play in a different way than you would at NOVA but with the same competition. You know that lol

Crimthaan wrote:

Chumbalaya wrote:
For all you competitive types, you gotta approach it with a different view. This is not a competitive tournament, it's the ultimate casual hobby event. Beer & Pretzels. Don't take it very seriously, just show up to meet some great folks, see some amazing armies and chuck dice around.

Good to hear you are coming Chumby! I would however contest your "it's not a competitive tournament". Just because it's comp doesn't mean we don't have competition or that the competition isn't at the same level as say...Nova. The comp just makes you play in a different way than you would at NOVA but with the same competition. You know that lol

Careful, you'll fall into the very thing you don't like other people doing! The NOVA uses a form of passive comp, that removes much of the pressure of "list building" from the opportunity to compete in a skill sense. This is different, obviously, from comp that puts greater emphasis on building within a new system of "list" and learning that, but it's effectively "comp" in that it benefits less list-intensive hardcore folks, and it increases the permissible variety in attendant list. So, from one fan to another - bravo and keep it up.

For all - competitiveness is directly proportional to the difference between players in terms of skill/capability. The closer a game is, the more competitive it is. Comp or not has nothing to do with this, on face value, though too steep a learning curve on a list-oriented comp system CAN cause greater differences between those who play well but don't have much list building time/capacity, and those who can really dissect and "crack" the list nuances of a comp system.

As I said above, I'll be trying to attend myself this year with some kind of variant on the guard list I posted. DaBoyz is one of the best regarded events around, year in and year out, in terms of how well it's run.