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Just putting this up here... our local WMH scene dont tend to paint their models for tourneys, however, as more tourneys begin to enforce a Painted requirement, would you, as WMH players, pay for commission painted lists?

My one drawback is knowing which lists are to be painted beforehand, so it would be done on a commission basis, not in advance.

my scene is similar, however instead of being lazy i am slowly painting my own models. i have 3 done and working on my 4th(Behemoth) most of the rest are primed. save a handful of new and a couple jacks i am working on modding.

I've paid for my WM stuff to be painted in the past.

I had a corporate job that took up all of my free time and really prefer to play with painted minis, so I paid some dude from the LGS to paint them up. He ended up stealing like half my stuff but that's a different story.

I have paid in the past for some war hammer, and WMH stuff to get painted at my FLGS. For me it came down to if i had time and did not so i commissioned it to someone who does wonderful paint jobs. But i do prefer to paint my own minis as well.

Thanks for the feedback.

To all those who took the time to answer the Poll, please provide reasoning, especially those who selected "No".

I wouldn't simply because I like to paint my own minis. I like that sense of pride when I set something down and people say it looks good or some such. I don't want to put something down and say ya i didn't paint that I payed someone else to do it.

Are you suggesting that you're going to figure out a list, paint
it up, and then sell it?

Thing is, lists aren't static enough in Warmachine to make this
an easy process. The commissions I've seen done are mostly
based around collections. If they're based around a single list, it's
because it's targeted for a very specific event in the foreseeable
future like Adepticon, where people knew they needed x points
to play in a tournament that required a, b, and c.

malfred wrote:Are you suggesting that you're going to figure out a list, paint
it up, and then sell it?

Thing is, lists aren't static enough in Warmachine to make this
an easy process. The commissions I've seen done are mostly
based around collections. If they're based around a single list, it's
because it's targeted for a very specific event in the foreseeable
future like Adepticon, where people knew they needed x points
to play in a tournament that required a, b, and c.

Exactly.

I'm not sure selling painted model sets would really work for a tournament-style setup. Most people that go to tourneys already have their own minis or they need only one or two extras to fill in a specific variant. I could see someone commissioning their own minis to be painted, but I couldn't really see selling sets in the manner of pre-made lists. With 40k you certainly can, especially on the Space Marine side. "Here's a bunch of las/plas razorbacks, enough Marines to fill them, and someone to lead them". Not so much on the Warmahordes side of things.

I personally object to the idea of paying someone else to paint my things, I feel even if my painting abilities are below the talent of others it's a matter of personal pride that I did my army with my own hands. Adds a further sense of accomplishment in my opinion.

I said No siply because it's part of the hobby, i've never paid for someone else to paint my stuff but i have been paid to paint stuff for other people. But hey who doesn't like being paid to do what they like doing.

i prefer to play with my own painted models. thanksfully i paint fast and have loads of free time so i can manage quite well.

Kirbinator wrote:I'm not sure selling painted model sets would really work for a tournament-style setup. Most people that go to tourneys already have their own minis or they need only one or two extras to fill in a specific variant. I could see someone commissioning their own minis to be painted, but I couldn't really see selling sets in the manner of pre-made lists. With 40k you certainly can, especially on the Space Marine side. "Here's a bunch of las/plas razorbacks, enough Marines to fill them, and someone to lead them". Not so much on the Warmahordes side of things.

Kurgash wrote:I personally object to the idea of paying someone else to paint my things, I feel even if my painting abilities are below the talent of others it's a matter of personal pride that I did my army with my own hands. Adds a further sense of accomplishment in my opinion.

Gorillawizard wrote:I said No siply because it's part of the hobby, i've never paid for someone else to paint my stuff but i have been paid to paint stuff for other people. But hey who doesn't like being paid to do what they like doing.

studderingdave wrote:i prefer to play with my own painted models. thanksfully i paint fast and have loads of free time so i can manage quite well.

Thanks for clarifying.

However, in the OP I mentioned that the local scene dont tend to paint their own minis... for whatever reasons... but due to tourney requirements, in order to attend they must begin to.

Obviously the WMH crowd on Dakka are the polar opposite.

I'm not sure what you are asking by "would you, as WMH players, pay for commission painted lists?" Are you referring to paying someone else to paint a list of your models for you, or for a set list of painted miniatures? I'm a decent enough painter when I actually make myself sit down and paint so I probably wouldn't pay someone to do it for me, but I can certainly see the appeal if you are a busy person with some disposable income. I halfway considered a set of pro-painted Wrongeye & Snapjaw from eBay because they were simply gorgeous and well beyond my capabilities as a painter. In the end my preference for money in my bank account had me order a set to paint myself.

Kirbinator wrote:I'm not sure what you are asking by "would you, as WMH players, pay for commission painted lists?" Are you referring to paying someone else to paint a list of your models for you, or for a set list of painted miniatures? I'm a decent enough painter when I actually make myself sit down and paint so I probably wouldn't pay someone to do it for me, but I can certainly see the appeal if you are a busy person with some disposable income. I halfway considered a set of pro-painted Wrongeye & Snapjaw from eBay because they were simply gorgeous and well beyond my capabilities as a painter. In the end my preference for money in my bank account had me order a set to paint myself.

I will be doing the painting. Standard will be Tabletop+, which more than most of the local scene can manage or are willing to do.

I was just measuring the response, but as already noted, the existing response from the Dakka crowd is not representative of my local crowd...

Maybe try on the PP forums?

My local scene contains MANY players, and I will say this... I would not pay for my army to be painted for this reason: I'm broke, and a commission painter would take up the small hobby budget I have atm... So, I would personally prefer to paint my own.

I know that my trolls have been sitting here without ANY paint for the past few months, so my store's journeyman league has gotten me to paint (as its worth just as much, if not more points than games). Try it in your local scene, perhaps have a tourney at the end of the league with a paint requirement... that way people make the attempt to paint.. Or give out a mini painting award... some incentive to get them to paint.

But yeah... no go on the commission painting...

The problem is how much will you pay someone to paint your army? paid by mini, hours of work?

While I wouldn't be in the market for commissioned painting, I'm sure that others are in a different situation. With some of the tournament formats requiring painting, having the ability to get your hands on pre-painted pieces might have more of an appeal.

I think it would be better to have stuff ready to go, like a Winter Guard Death Star or full units of Bane Knights. From a player perspective, it becomes a convenience. In my local group, there's a couple of guys that are always hustling to paint someone else's stuff. They'd probably do better having the painted stuff to sell. Just my thoughts.

Armandloft wrote:While I wouldn't be in the market for commissioned painting, I'm sure that others are in a different situation. With some of the tournament formats requiring painting, having the ability to get your hands on pre-painted pieces might have more of an appeal.

I think it would be better to have stuff ready to go, like a Winter Guard Death Star or full units of Bane Knights. From a player perspective, it becomes a convenience. In my local group, there's a couple of guys that are always hustling to paint someone else's stuff. They'd probably do better having the painted stuff to sell. Just my thoughts.

Unlike having pre-painted units ready to go... I am proposing to paint the usual 35pt forces.

Afterall, you usually have 3months minimum to be ready for a tournament... more than enough time to get the list finalised, assembled and painted.

AvatarForm wrote:

Armandloft wrote:While I wouldn't be in the market for commissioned painting, I'm sure that others are in a different situation. With some of the tournament formats requiring painting, having the ability to get your hands on pre-painted pieces might have more of an appeal.

I think it would be better to have stuff ready to go, like a Winter Guard Death Star or full units of Bane Knights. From a player perspective, it becomes a convenience. In my local group, there's a couple of guys that are always hustling to paint someone else's stuff. They'd probably do better having the painted stuff to sell. Just my thoughts.

Unlike having pre-painted units ready to go... I am proposing to paint the usual 35pt forces.

Afterall, you usually have 3months minimum to be ready for a tournament... more than enough time to get the list finalised, assembled and painted.

In my (limited) experience that 3 months is spent playing and tweeking that list (or lists) before an event and the composition can change due to playtesting and personal play style. As said above, I have seen very few static lists, they change up constantly.

Going to agree with Mudge. My Hardcore lists so far have only been completely finalized the morning of the event when I'm packing my bag, and smaller tournaments (read: anything not at a convention) are typically hurriedly bodged together on my iPod at the game store.

Not to say you won't get business as a commission painter for Warmachine. Painting entire armies to sell, however, won't tend to work out well simply due to the depth of the meta.

i regularly paint WMH stuff for other people. thats how I fund this damn hobby

but yeah its usually on a per unit/figure basis rather than one army in one go

MudgeBlack wrote:

In my (limited) experience that 3 months is spent playing and tweeking that list (or lists) before an event and the composition can change due to playtesting and personal play style. As said above, I have seen very few static lists, they change up constantly.

Laughing Man wrote:Going to agree with Mudge. My Hardcore lists so far have only been completely finalized the morning of the event when I'm packing my bag, and smaller tournaments (read: anything not at a convention) are typically hurriedly bodged together on my iPod at the game store.

Not to say you won't get business as a commission painter for Warmachine. Painting entire armies to sell, however, won't tend to work out well simply due to the depth of the meta.

so neither of you attend ourneys that require pre-submission of lists? How odd...

Nope. All the major events just require you to submit your list at the start of the event.

Laughing Man wrote:Nope. All the major events just require you to submit your list at the start of the event.

How do the TOs confirm so many lists are legal pts in such a short time (Ie. beginning of an event where 50+ players are present?)

AvatarForm wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:Nope. All the major events just require you to submit your list at the start of the event.

How do the TOs confirm so many lists are legal pts in such a short time (Ie. beginning of an event where 50+ players are present?)

Easy to do when you're running 35-50 points and have a calculator.

There aren't the countless unit options 40K has: Units come in either 1 size or 2 possible sizes, and then they either have a UA/WA option or they don't.

Seriously, it takes less than 2 minutes to check someone's ability to add up to 35 or 50(plus Jack/Beast points).

Pre-submission of lists is a concept that's only equired for larger scale games where massive amounts of options for each unit muddy things up.

I request lists, but checking them is usually fast.

At the big events they check lists throughout the event by
having players fill out two lists.

Sometimes I even hover tables and perform a model count
(caught one or two accidental extras here and there that
way).

I have done small commissions for people at my LGS and have found that small is the way to go.

Paint up 2-3 models, or perhaps their battle group to start with - that way others at the store can see your quality of work (on others miniatures not your own). Then just offer to paint the rest.

In the end it will come down to how much you want to charge for your work as well. I price based off of size, time frame and if assembly is required - am i basing them etc.

Casper wrote:I have done small commissions for people at my LGS and have found that small is the way to go.

Paint up 2-3 models, or perhaps their battle group to start with - that way others at the store can see your quality of work (on others miniatures not your own). Then just offer to paint the rest.

In the end it will come down to how much you want to charge for your work as well. I price based off of size, time frame and if assembly is required - am i basing them etc.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I had considered painting up the new starter box of menoth and Khador as a demo.