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HQ

Big Mek - KFF- 75
Big Mek - KFF -75

Troops
29 Boys 1 Nob PK/BP 225
29 Boys 1 Nob PK/BP 225
29 Boys 1 Nob PK/BP 225

Heavy Support
Battlewagon Grot rigger Deff rolla kannon - 125
Battlewagon Grot rigger Deff rolla kannon - 125
Battlewagon Grot rigger Deff rolla kannon - 125

Elites
Nobs - Cybork -painboy/PK Banner/PK/PK BP/ Big choppa/normal -175 - BW Same as heavy -125
Nobs - Cybork -painboy/PK Banner/PK/PK BP/ Big choppa/normal - 175 -BW Same as heavy -125

Fast Attack
1 Deff kopta TL rokkit -45
1 deff kopta Tl Rokkit -45

So I think this is the standard list I got down to fast attack and didn't really know where to slam home the last 100 points so there are 10 to spare could I put a skorcha/shoota on the normal nob for a bit more DAKKA in on the wagons? Let me know what you guys think!

Well the Boys mobs need to be down to 20 so they fit in the BW so that is another 180points. I presume the Meks are in the Nob Squads. Maybe add a Grot Mob, reserve then throw them on a home objective.
Personally I like Rokkit Buggies in my fast slots but some people swear by Alpha Strike Deffkoptas (Rokkits/Buzzsaw) which can also Outflank.

Gharron wrote:HQ

Big Mek - KFF- 75
Big Mek - KFF -75
These are underpriced, they are 85 pts.
Troops
29 Boys 1 Nob PK/BP 225
29 Boys 1 Nob PK/BP 225
29 Boys 1 Nob PK/BP 225
Like someone has allready said. they can't fit in the Battlewagons. They need to be dropped to 20. Are they sluggas or Shootas? If they are Shootas might want to add a bshoota or 2.
Heavy Support
Battlewagon Grot rigger Deff rolla kannon - 125
Battlewagon Grot rigger Deff rolla kannon - 125
Battlewagon Grot rigger Deff rolla kannon - 125
Not bad. Could use plank and plates. If a Mek goes in here then you don't need Grot riggers as he can fix it even easier then the grots can.
Elites
Nobs - Cybork -painboy/PK Banner/PK/PK BP/ Big choppa/normal -175 - BW Same as heavy -125
Nobs - Cybork -painboy/PK Banner/PK/PK BP/ Big choppa/normal - 175 -BW Same as heavy -125
I think you might have one to many PK's. I think 2 is more then enough. but this is a personal choice of course.
Fast Attack
1 Deff kopta TL rokkit -45
1 deff kopta Tl Rokkit -45
Agree with Woodhouse, make them Rokkit buggies. They will help you a bit more. They can protect the BW's from assaults. If you want the Koptas, then the alpha strike koptas could be the answer.
So I think this is the standard list I got down to fast attack and didn't really know where to slam home the last 100 points so there are 10 to spare could I put a skorcha/shoota on the normal nob for a bit more DAKKA in on the wagons? Let me know what you guys think!

I would honestly not put the Meks in with the Nobs. It makes there BW's such a big target. not that they won't be anyways. But you don't want both Nobs, and Mek in one tank. Drop a Boy from each boys mob and put the Mek with them. If you make the boys sluggas then make sure you keep the Mek in the BW when they hop out to assault. He should never leave the BW unless he has to. I don't think Grots are really a good answer for you. I don't feel grots add anything to an Ork army. I personally hate them. Some lootas could be a nice addition too if you have the points. I love lootas but I have not use lootas in a BW list. I know most like them in there to help open transports and stuff.

So if you recalculate the errors in your list you'll free up some points for other things. I really like including some Lootas in my BW lists. I usually put 2 squads of 5. Since you only have 1 elite slot open you should try getting 12+ Lootas in the list in my opinion.

I also think that if you are to put more points in the wagons you should look at RPJ and/or AP.

And I am another person who prefers Rokkit Buggies over Deffkoptas.

Me personally I think RPJ is pointless. An extra inch is not worth the points that you are spending. Your Waaagh! should make up for that inch and much more actually.

Personally, I'm a big fan of a Burnawagon. 10 burnas in a Deffrolla BW obliterates anything it gets close to. But that's just me.

I reworked the points last night and the list with the adjustments is 1809. I have to work in 191 points and I kept running into the problem of not being able to finish a squad I could get 3 rokkit buggies and maybe lootas? I dunno it was a hard choice XD

Gotta disagree with RPJ post, on a wagon with a rolla you really really need it. Mainly because an extra inch can be a big difference in running it into stuff and anything that is assulting the BW needs a 6 to hit if you move over 6 inchs....so stick with the rpj on wagon rollers.

Here is how I would run it:
Big Mek - kff
Big Mek - kff

5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla
5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla

20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp

2 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits

Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla

That will clock you in at 1997 and it is dead killy.

And the Meks are going in with the Nobs? Thats bad, drop 2 boys and put Meks in with them. Wheres the planks on the Heavy BW's? They have PK in them too.

My Problem with RPJ is cost for an inch and actually painting red. I don't want red on my vehicles.

@Madmax: The burna wagon is nasty, but it is target number one for most people( at least those that knows what it does). Its just hard to justify taking it anymore.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:

@Madmax: The burna wagon is nasty, but it is target number one for most people( at least those that knows what it does). Its just hard to justify taking it anymore.

Well that's true, but in a list like this where you're running a lot of BWs, I think it works towards your favor because you're maximizing the threats. If you split up the meks to ride with the boyz, now you make your opponent choose between a BW full of Burnas, or trying to take out the 2 BWs carrying the KFF filled with boyz, or the 2 BWs full of nobz. It's like threat overload.

Looks good only problems with multi burna wagons is they can't take a wagon as a transport which limits the ammount of wagon train you can have. Works best if your boys are in trucks or on foot. Put the meks with the nob to keep targets spread out, fast attack if really user's choice am a fan of the copters they're alittle more scary and they can get to a to b faster.

You only have one burna wagon the set up would be as so

Buggies/Nob Wagon/Boy Wagon/Burna Wagon/Boy Wagon/Nob Wagon/Buggies
With perhaps a Trukk or two behind to clean up/take objectives.

Inigo Montoya wrote:Here is how I would run it:
Big Mek - kff
Big Mek - kff

5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla
5 Nobz - painboy, pk, pk+bp, waaagh! banner, slugga+choppa, battlewagon w/ kannon, boarding plank, red paint, deff rolla

20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp
20 boys - Nob w/ pk+bp

2 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits
3 warbuggies w/ rokkits

Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla
Battlewagon - kannon, red, deffrolla

That will clock you in at 1997 and it is dead killy.

Would I be better off using meganobs instead? I have those as well. I'm just lost as to where to take this list. I'm not hell bent on 5 wagons but I have them. I have 11 meganobs as well and I'm working on a 12th...so I guess I wanna see how diverse this list can be. I have kommandos lootas bikes deff koptas the whole kit and kaboodle lol I'm just lost on where to take this list to finish it up. I could go with four wagons and take ghazzy and a mek and get meganobs as a troops choice...

Meganobz are often a popular alternative to regular Nobz when you want the dedicated BWs. I usually see them taken in units of 3. I think you should stick with 5 Battlewagons it's just so much krumpyness

So what does the optimized list look like with fast attack and the most nobs I can get

Well This is my list that I am working on. I have yet to play it as I mostly play Kan wall. But I feel it gives me the right units to win the game.

Mek: KFF
Mek: KFF

Meganobs x5: 2x Kombi-Skorchas
-BW: Rolla, Riggers, Plates, BShoota, Kannon, Plank
Meganobs x5: 2x Kombi-Skorchas
-BW: Rolla, Riggers, Plates, BShoota, Kannon, Plank

Boys x19: Shootas (Mek here)
-Nob: PK, BShoota
Boys x19: Shootas (Mek here)
-Nob: PK, BShoota
Boys x19: Shootas
-Nob: PK, BShoota

Kopta: Saw, Rokkits
Buggies x2: Trakk, Rokkits
Buggies x2: Trakk, Rokkits

BW: Rolla, Plates, BShoota, Kannon, Plank
BW: Rolla, Plates, BShoota, Kannon, Plank
BW: Rolla, Riggers, Plates, BShoota, Kannon, Plank

1997

My boys are all sluggas will that suffice? Whats the big difference in meganobz and nobs? Wound allocation and slow n steady? I'm just trying to figure out why I have all these lootas and kommandos if I cant use them XD

Slugga boyz are usually better to have in Battlewagons. I think Balsak listed his as Shootas because he regularly plays his kanwalls with shoota boyz so has them assembled that way.

As for comparing meganobz to regular ones.

Pros for Meganobz
Mega Armor, so a 2+ armor save, power klaws and TL-Shootas for everyone. They also come with Stikkbombz. You can give them kombi weapons at 5 pts a pop.

Cons for Meganobz
slow and purposeful. can't customize much. no bosspoles, waaagh! banners, and limited selection of weapon upgrades/choices. can't take bikes, or a painboy.

And nobody said you can't use Lootas or Meganobz, it just means you'll have to find the points for them.

Shootas are normally in battlewagons, Sorry Reckoner but I must disagree with you.

Having that much Dakka in range at once in an AV14 vehicle protected with a KFF is more than one can wish for. And, the unit inside are still better than most assault specialists in combat despite not having an extra attack!

I also tend to do shooty Orks more then CC Orks. I try not to get my Boys out of the BW's.

For the most part Sluggas would probably be better. But I just like to shoot with Orks. Its funny seeing people face when they die to Ork shooting.

I personally like Meganobs more as they are just so fun to play. Besides after you equip all your nobs they end up being just as much if not more then the Megnobs IMHO. But its reallly personal choice there.

Do you want Painboy? Do you want the Banner? Do you want better wound allocations? Do you want 2+ save models? All these are question that you should ask yourself to figure out which is better for you.

I honestly think Both squads are fun to use and just as good as the other. Its more what you feel you need to win.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:I also tend to do shooty Orks more then CC Orks. I try not to get my Boys out of the BW's.

For the most part Sluggas would probably be better. But I just like to shoot with Orks. Its funny seeing people face when they die to Ork shooting.

I personally like Meganobs more as they are just so fun to play. Besides after you equip all your nobs they end up being just as much if not more then the Megnobs IMHO. But its reallly personal choice there.

Do you want Painboy? Do you want the Banner? Do you want better wound allocations? Do you want 2+ save models? All these are question that you should ask yourself to figure out which is better for you.

I honestly think Both squads are fun to use and just as good as the other. Its more what you feel you need to win.

IMHO I LOVE the megnobs lol I painted my BW yellow just for them XD I wanted to get kaptin badrukk and some flash gits! But I just keep reading nobs do it better than meganobs =/ I need a painboy and a WAAGH banner for both squads vs having 11 meganobs >.> I was going to take ghazzy meganobs and a snikrot unit but I don't know how viable that it. My main concern now is buggies but seeing how expensive they are really limits my love of them =[

What do you mean expensive buggies? They are 40 points each the way I have them. Thats pretty cheap for what they do.

Well the whole Nob/ Meganob debate is really ultimatly your choice. You might want to try both out and see what you like better in the game. I feel both have there place and both are worth there points.

Ghazzy coming in with Snikrot is fun to do. But I am not really a big fan of it. You are holding up a 250 some point character in reserve. You don't know when he will come in and you don't want to waste that IMHO.

balsak_da_mighty wrote:What do you mean expensive buggies? They are 40 points each the way I have them. Thats pretty cheap for what they do.

Well the whole Nob/ Meganob debate is really ultimatly your choice. You might want to try both out and see what you like better in the game. I feel both have there place and both are worth there points.

Ghazzy coming in with Snikrot is fun to do. But I am not really a big fan of it. You are holding up a 250 some point character in reserve. You don't know when he will come in and you don't want to waste that IMHO.

lol I meant $$ wise they're expensive! 25 dollars a buggie! I've read to convert them from the AOBR koptas but I'm trying to figure that whole mess out and then I have to get 2 painboys and 2 banner carriers before my nob squads would be right so it's looking like I'm going meganobs for the time being...I mean I made a BW to carry them! Would you deck them out with all skorchas? Or what's their best load out? I'm going to have to rethink the list for them =/ Is ghazzy worth taking for them?

How is it possible to take more then 3 battle wagons, i mean according to the force organization chart you can only take 3. I would just like to know how?

nitrodaddy1324 wrote:How is it possible to take more then 3 battle wagons, i mean according to the force organization chart you can only take 3. I would just like to know how?

Dedicated transports. Nobs and meganobs get them as part of...I guess the best way to say it is their wargear.

And how afective is this????

nitrodaddy1324 wrote:And how afective is this????

From everything I've read competitive players go kan wall or bw bash =D

Without repeating myself, this is a Battlewagon Rush army which you want. The post is detailed and explains everything and should help you. Also tells you how to build Battlewagons correctly

http://www.imperiusdominatus.com/2012/05/army-lists-orks-battlewagon-rush-2000.html

Good link Mercer. I don't really agree on the Boarding Plank and Grots personally but it hits all the key points. The 9 Loota units is interesting and something I'm going to try.

On the debate between Shootas and Sluggas in BWs, I used to support Shootas but through experience I find prefer Chopppas against most armies. You aren't going to be firing from the BW in a BW rush because you're moving as fast as possible. I can see the benefit if you're up against Purifiers or something and you want to avoid CC, but other than that I like that the Choppa unit has more insurance in assaults if they get charged and obviously more CC output.