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Seriously, think for a minute. This mentality is all over the internet: You may only play one game.

World of Warcraft or EVE Online.
League of Legends or DOTA 2.
Battlefield or Call of Duty.

And, Warhammer or Warmachine/Flames of War/Whatever.

It's pretty damn stupid, isn't it? You are allowed to play more than one game at a time. You can play Warhammer and Warmahordes at the same time, it's not exactly illegal. Prices too high? Tone down 40k and invest more into Warmachine until the prices goes down (they will eventually, GW can't raise them forever, evetually they will feel the pressure of customer dissatisfaction). Don't turn this into a price discussion btw, there are other threads for that.

Anyway, you don't need to stop playing one game in order to play another game.

Welcome to the internet, and specifically a gaming forum.

If your choice of game is not made in a blood oath that can only be broken by a quest and vow made with the most overwrought dramatics, then you aren't doing it right.

Uhhh...the GW police are actually on your tail right now. They are scanning the internet and tracking you via your IP.

You heresy has been documented and illumination is to follow.

Regards,

GWIPF

I thinks its more just the loud/talkative people are like that, I dont care one way or the other

ps: like the C&C avatar

Marzillius wrote:Prices too high?.. ...the prices goes down (they will eventually, GW can't raise them forever, evetually they will feel the pressure of customer dissatisfaction.)

Now there's a testable hypothesis.

The truth of it for table top gaming is that it takes up a lot of physical space. When the game you are into starts being more stress than relaxation then you got to decide whether that physical space in your home is worth it.

The issue is investment.
A. Money:
If you're into multiple game systems that equals more core rule books as well as individual army books. Just simple extra cash.
For MMOs, it's the problem of multiple monthly subscriptions.

B. Time:
Learning one game is faster than learning two.
Leveling up on one MMO is a lot easier and faster than leveling in two MMOs. This issue alone is why World of Warcraft is an unstoppable killing machine, because starting from scratch sucks.

Just some simple reasons as to why a lot of people view these various games as either/or. I personally play 40k, fantasy, and would play WarmaHordes, but there's not enough interest in my local play group. As for MMOs, I play WoW and have played Lotro (have a lvl 40), play Heroes of Newearth and LoL, so I'm a fan of spreading amongst many games, but I definitely understand an either/or approach.

Marzillius wrote:Prices too high? Tone down 40k and invest more into Warmachine until the prices goes down (they will eventually, GW can't raise them forever, evetually they will feel the pressure of customer dissatisfaction).

Ever the optimist, eh?

I agree with your general statement, there's no reason to quit Warhammer just because you're dissatisfied with GW. Just stop buying their product. Your army will still (likely) be valid for the next 5-10 years, it just may not be as competitive as you would like.

Plus, if you're like most gamers, you've got 30-40 years worth of painting backlog to keep you busy.

Because this is the internet. If you're not overly dramatic and ridiculous, you're not worth looking into, or worse yet, you're part of the non existent "silent majority".

I know plenty of people who play both games. It's not impossible.

I think a lot of people don't have the time, money and space to invest fully in several systems at once. It's not unreasonable. For a start many people buying GW only play one of their three games offered, let alone games produced by other companies.

biccat wrote:
Your army will still (likely) be valid for the next 5-10 years, it just may not be as competitive as you would like.

Tell this to my mechanized tau (haven't functioned properly for an entire edition), and my bud's blood ravens who used to take advantage of the old true grit special rule that let them rock a bolter and chainsword (now half the entire lovingly converted army is illegal), or my other buds inquisitorial storm trooper army (don't even exist anymore).

I'll update my tau a bit with the new dex whenever the hell that comes out, I still love em they were my first army. But the fact that they and my Black Templars haven't even been updates in six years, an entire damn edition, is really unacceptable, and I've moved onto to games where I can count on my investment in a force receiving continuing support.

Could I continue to play my old armies with the old editions rules they were actually designed to function under? Sure I could, but it'll be damn hard to a get a game like that in my FLGS.

No, you may only choose one! One I say! ONE!

Yeah, as much as I'd like to get into other games, there's just no way. I only just barely have the resources for one. That, and really, the others are different and don't interest me that much because I've played/studied the Warhammer40k game for a very long time now, and I like it too much to really feel the need to lessen my time with it.

Cryonicleech wrote:Because this is the internet. If you're not overly dramatic and ridiculous, you're not worth looking into, or worse yet, you're part of the non existent "silent majority".

Does the irony of making this sort of sweeping statement itch, at all?


In reality, I think it's more that the people being overly dramatic and ridiculous tend to be more memorable, and so people just gloss over the fact that there are hordes of people on the internet who are far more rational.

Awww this is child's play take a look at some of the MMO's forms for real /ragequitters....same names every week, 40 or 50+ page threads with more viciousness in it then a whole legion of World Eaters, yet always see their toon's or alt back in =o[ . Their rants are rather amusing though.

I do love the C&C avie though NOD and Kane FTW =o]

CorvidMP wrote:
Could I continue to play my old armies with the old editions rules they were actually designed to function under? Sure I could, but it'll be damn hard to a get a game like that in my FLGS.

Actually this is probably where alot of the vitriol and "one game" stuff comes from now that I think about it- table space and the ease of finding games. It complicates matters.

People are free to play as many game systems as they want.

For me it comes down to time as my work is demanding and keeps me very busy.

I can only focus on one gaming system at a time or I would never finish painting an army.

No one needs to quit as they can just put a game system on hold for as long as they want and come back to it at a later date if so desired.

Also what game the local community is into is into is important because I want to be able to get games once I painted my armys.

For me it is quite a simple process.

Necro wrote:People are free to play as many game systems as they want.

For me it comes down to time as my work is demanding and keeps me very busy.

I can only focus on one gaming system at a time or I would never finish painting an army.

No one needs to quit as they can just put a game system on hold for as long as they want and come back to it at a later date if so desired.

Also what game the local community is into is into is important because I want to be able to get games once I painted my armys.

For me it is quite a simple process.

I am someone who has many armies for many systems. I tend to flick between systems when I want a change, either because of metagame or rules editions, or sometimes just because small scale is more appealing. It is a vast hobby and there are many ways to enjoy it.

Wait, there are games other than Warhammer, 40k and LotR?

When did this happen?

Aerethan wrote:Wait, there are games other than Warhammer worth playing?

When did this happen?

Fixxed that for you





Good let me feed on your hate....

CorvidMP wrote:Tell this to my mechanized tau (haven't functioned properly for an entire edition)

You can't play mechanized tau in 5th edition?

CorvidMP wrote:my bud's blood ravens who used to take advantage of the old true grit special rule that let them rock a bolter and chainsword (now half the entire lovingly converted army is illegal)

It's not illegal to have a bolter and chainsword modeled on a unit. All models have a close combat weapon, they just aren't usually modeled with it.

CorvidMP wrote:my other buds inquisitorial storm trooper army (don't even exist anymore).

I'm not familiar with the inquisitorial storm trooper army. I suspect they would still be valid as an IG army.

insaniak wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:Because this is the internet. If you're not overly dramatic and ridiculous, you're not worth looking into, or worse yet, you're part of the non existent "silent majority".

Does the irony of making this sort of sweeping statement itch, at all?


In reality, I think it's more that the people being overly dramatic and ridiculous tend to be more memorable, and so people just gloss over the fact that there are hordes of people on the internet who are far more rational.

Well, in hindsight, I'd say itch would be putting it mildly.

Either way, yeah. Generally, people tend to gravitate towards and remember the more "vivid" folks, especially on a site like Dakka where opinions aren't even a dime a dozen. More like a nickel a dozen if anything. (Not that Dakkaites' opinions aren't worth anything, it's just that there's a lot of them)

I don't understand the gamer exclusivity thing, myself.

I've ALWAYS had two games going at a time. Battletech and 40k, 40k and Warzone, 40k and Stargrunt, 40k and Kryomek, 40k and Infinity, Infinity and Tomorrow's War.

Of course, with several of those games, I could (and was encouraged to) "use what I had" to play, so that was not a barrier. I can't understand people ONLY wanting to play a certain set of rules ONLY using that company's models. It's not like the rules stop x models working.

Necro wrote:No one needs to quit as they can just put a game system on hold for as long as they want and come back to it at a later date if so desired.

Yep. I sat out 2nd edition 40k (well, spent the time doing other stuff like clubbing, partying and chasing skirt - there just wasn't time enough left to game after that) and came back with 3rd ed. I'm sitting out 6th ed (and the minis will be used for TW if I don't go back to 40k. Those minis that don't will get sold or go into the display cabinet).

curran12 wrote:Welcome to the internet, and specifically a gaming forum.

If your choice of game is not made in a blood oath that can only be broken by a quest and vow made with the most overwrought dramatics, then you aren't doing it right.

hope you dontmind but i'm totsaly sig'ing this

I agree, having played, and owned models for, dozens of different games systems over the years.

This daft idea that people have in their heads that they must "defect" from GW if they want to start playing warmachine, infinity or kings of war is insane, and based entirely on their emotional attachment to GW, treating it like a wife or a football team instead of a toy soldier company.

BewareOfTom wrote:I thinks its more just the loud/talkative people are like that, I dont care one way or the other

ps: like the C&C avatar

IN THE NAME OF KANE!

Marzillius wrote:
Anyway, you don't need to stop playing one game in order to play another game.

You're absolutely right.

I've got quite a large British late War force for Flames of War, and I'll finally be starting on a German collection.

I've got a small Skorne force for Hordes.

I've got a FSE and an ESU fleet for Full Thrust.

I've got a small pile of lead, metal, and plastic for Battletech.

And I've got some Confederates on the way in the mail from Minifigs and Stone Mountain Miniatures for my 15mm ACW Black Powder project.

While my hobby buying will be going down in the next few months, that's still a decent amount. And, as you can see, no GW to be found, apart from a small amount of SM that I haven't been able to sell/trade away. I did 'quit' Warhammer, because GW neither gave me what I wanted in a wargame, nor what I wanted from a company. And there are plenty of other choices.

The main irritant is that the 'quitters' need to boast their action loudly and many times on said internet forums.

Usually including vitriol aimed at the game company in question, where said company doesn't care about them if they are not a customer anymore.

There is no reason to stop 1 system and play the other. Learn both. Once you have a full army to your liking, its not that huge of an investiment to pick up rule books. If you think "hey i want another 40K army" just consider going to start a Warmachine / Hordes army, where you will now invest half of what you would spend in GW land to get up to speed.

Warmchine / Hordes is a great "2nd" game. The core rules do not change. The models are still usable from Mark I, all they did was assign different point values and tweek abilities. Even when a new "edition" comes out, you don't have to buy wants shiny new to win. Plus while in warhammer you might spend $500-700 to get to 2k, in warmchine to get to 50 points, if you do your homework you are probabaly at around $300-400 including rule books pending faction. Oh and the best part, those free starter rules, they are basically what you need to play.

I have models and armies for a bunch of different games, plus, as biccat said I have enough unbuilt and unpainted stuff to keep me going for years.

I've been buying and hoarding stuff for decades. None of it has really gone out of date or become unusable.

Rules change but the basics of armies don't.

It is mainly in GW games where you might find a very expensive model invalidated by a new codex like happened to Carnifexes.