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How does people crying about the cost of GW products affect the way you think about the products? How do you handle these people when you encounter them?

It doesn't, and I ignore them. My own sense of worth is not affected by other peoples - I buy as much GW or as little as I feel is appropriate and within my means. The only thing that affects the way I feel about the price of GW products is, well, the price of GW products.

Often, the people I encounter who dislike GW prices are people who don't play any GW games. Either they never want to start, or they wanted to start but it was too expensive to get in.

To the former, I explain that they're game is just as expensive per model as my game. I don't give gakk if I need fewer to play, I want an army, not a squad.

To the latter, I offer to let them borrow the models of any of the 30+ people at the FLGS. All of them were introduced to the game in a similar fashion, and there's no obligation to buy if you do enjoy it; having a different person to play with is awesome.

I agree with the previous posters, you either want to play it or you don't, and if you don't then don't b*tch about it! Haha

It makes me think that I make a lot more money than most

I nod smile and try to slip out a quiet fart, same way i deal with political or many other conversations

I think it's often refreshing to get an outsiders view on things. Sometimes it's important to look at something and think "Yeah, that IS expensive" and to start looking for other options.

Mind you we're more likely to bitch about retail prices here in Australia when our retail prices are double yours...

The products are good no matter how you look at price (some anyway finecasst being hit and miss)
You cant fault GW plastics though

the price again though, is what really turns folks away

I envy people whose biggest beef in life is the cost of toy soldiers.

Shadelkan wrote:
To the former, I explain that they're game is just as expensive per model as my game. I don't give gakk if I need fewer to play, I want an army, not a squad.
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To a subset of the former I think you will find. You can buy well over 500 finely detailed (i.e. better than the GW Empire) plastic infantry from the Perrys for the cost of a typical 1750 point GW army.

Other people 'crying', a very perjorative term by the way, doesn't affect me personally as GW had already exceeded my personal price/value tipping point years ago. I do find it interesting to see the same cluster of threads each year after yet another price increase. Some people say that they will stop but don't yet others will, and it is the people who leave that are hurting GW's wallet.

It doesn't, and I "handle them" by recommending Mantic for core troops, while getting monsters and things from GW.

There's plenty of options for buying cheap minis these days, if you can't afford GW, there's nothing stopping you from playing either fantasy or 40k using some of the many alternatives.

If you're an Imperial Guard or Empire player, then you're spoilt for choice as far as alternatives go.

There really is no point complaining about prices, while you are aware of the alternatives. Either buy GW or don't, no point buying GW while grumbling and moaning about the prices, a purchase is supposed to make you happy, the whole point of buying a GW kit is that you're happy to pay more for all the bitz and extensive and largely complete range of plastic models. if you're not happy about the stuff you're buying for the price you're paying then you're doing it wrong.

This is an expensive hobby, but if you can't afford it don't buy more stuff.
As it happens I can afford it for the moment, but if it does get too expensiver then I'm out.

swordbrotherjim wrote:
How does people crying about the cost of GW products affect the way you think about the products? How do you handle these people when you encounter them?

Thee people do not affect me one iota, I listen to what they say and then tell them i dont care.
People will always whine, its a fact of life, best to just ignore the constant whiners if you dont agree with them, alot of them want to argue.

It doesn't affect me much.
Some people's gripes are warranted and sometimes I can understand their rage. However, these agitators need to learn to eBay, as they'll find things much cheaper instead of just complaining about GW.

swordbrotherjim wrote:
How does people crying about the cost of GW products affect the way you think about the products? How do you handle these people when you encounter them?

It doesn't effect me. When I meet them how I act depends on them. If they are just whining I ignore them if they are approaching their concerns in an intelligent manner then I talk to them about it. Most people who are complaining just need to vent or are actually concerned about their hobby.

I make my own judgements on the values of items that I want. I get on well with staff in both my local GW stores and I find GW prices in general to be pretty decent. Some kits seem more value for money than others. eg. at £27.50 I think the new Ork Bommer is better value than say the £20 Tomb Spider. But that is each to their own.

Complaining on a forum will get no attention whatsoever so those threads I find pointless, old and repetitive. I work to afford my luxuries like GW models and save for what I want.

The only thing the complaining threads have done is stop me visiting 40K forums so often because I'm bored of the same old, same old.

This is going to go well...

Squigsquasher wrote:This is going to go well...

You know, I have noticed a very strange trend whenever the GW price rise/screw-overs happen. You get a bunch of outraged threads, people arguing back and forth, yadda yadda, same as last time.

And then, the pendulum seemingly swings in the other direction, and we see a bunch of 'Man, those 40k-prices-are-too-high-guys are a bunch of whiners and crybabies!' threads. Weird.

infinite_array wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is going to go well...

You know, I have noticed a very strange trend whenever the GW price rise/screw-overs happen. You get a bunch of outraged threads, people arguing back and forth, yadda yadda, same as last time.

And then, the pendulum seemingly swings in the other direction, and we see a bunch of 'Man, those 40k-prices-are-too-high-guys are a bunch of whiners and crybabies!' threads. Weird.

Yup, only difference this time is that all those threads are being started by the same guy... he must have recently got the job at GW or they have started cuting back on their internet shill team.

Hello,
Often people will say others are whining and crying when they themselves already have their kit, there are no further purchases to make, or they have a well filled LFGS. I also believe it depends on what you want to see from the hobby, as consistent price increases are not really helping get more mature players into it. As has been stated on several threads, the business model is to get the young teen into it by the shiny box art, expect a few good years of purchases (normally as gifts, and whatnot) and wait for the next one. This model is fine if you are not overly concerned about the perpetuity of the hobby, however it makes it difficult for small stores to support it, as they do not have the large customer base to cover getting new players every few years. This is one of the reasons I purchase a lot of armies second and third hand, and very easily. I am a older player, having played since the end of second edition so I have a lot of models new players will not recognize, and often want to state “that is not a fair piece, it is not GW” this further illustrates my point of the shiny box art, they are not shown what there was before and assume whenever a new shiny unit comes out they must get it, however only for a few years. Then we have to find new players, support and nurture them hoping they become one of us. Sadly this should be GW’s job, however there is no profit in it, nor even a outrider program, so they leave it to us old timers, to keep them going, by buying armies for the “Young bloods” and talking parents into purchasing their game. Even if we know it will not last.
Regards,
Carl

swordbrotherjim wrote:
How does people crying about the cost of GW products affect the way you think about the products? How do you handle these people when you encounter them?

So is it your opinion that GW's prices are justified?


How do you feel that the continued price gouging campaign is legal, and that future players, I/E the 12-15 year olds that are thier supposed "Target" market are to continue to take them seriously and continue to throw thier hard earned coin at lesser and lesser valued miniatures?

DO YOU feel that they can seriously continue with the amount of competition out there against lower priced, better quality products?

The thing that concerns me is the hard edge some posters take when a question like this is raised. I may be wrong but their response is generally along the lines of "Oh so you can't afford to buy GW stuff?TOUGH!, I can!". I sincerely hope this is truly not the case, it would be horrible if the hobby community broke into the have and have not camps.

I do like how the thread's base premise is predicated on the fact that disliking GW's prices is 'crying'.

Interesting...

Actually, I don't believe I have seen anyone crying about it? Perhaps there is a lunatic, holed away somewhere in a cave in Iceland who at this very moment is crying a flood of tears at the recent price increases? But in any case, I don't believe he has posted on Dakka.

So.. the premise of the thread is so unlikely that it can be safely confirmed that it is not true - perhaps time to close the thread?

To be honest, I haven't noticed a change in the tyranid gaunts from 3rd edition through to today, apart from a repackaging, so I fail to see why $32 for 16 gaunts is reasonable now when it used to be $32 for 32 gaunts...

The same goes for the tactical squad, SM terminators... list goes on. The only possible change might be repackaging, otherwise, the actual model has stayed the same. Taking that into account, it's hard to compare the cost with the models, because it's not like they have improved in quality. In fact, I feel that other manufacturers have better quality miniatures. The price had gotten to the point where I question whether perhaps the other systems are not as good or better than the ones manufactured by GW. The experience has been enlightening...

People have a good reason to be annoyed at the rises.

16 Plastic GW Brettonian arches - £20 (ish)
http://www.wargamestore.com/Warhammer-Bretonnian-Bowmen-Regiment-p-2027.html

40 Plastic Perry Wars of the Roses Billmen (can make 30 archers with the other 10 models being men at arms/command etc) £18
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=2471

Now, as the peer brothers work for GW their sculpting is just as good if not better, the castings are marginally better than GW.

If you buy the historical minatures, not only can they be used for empire/bretonnians but you can also make a historical army too, 3 armies in one.

If someone said to you do you want 16 figures for £20 or 40 for £18 and you get spend the other £2 on a chocolate bar or ice cream, what would you go for?

Now To the On topic bit. I will listen carefully to any whinger, as a lot of them have valid points. if they say ''Instead of paying stupidly high prices for some models you can only really use in one system, go on this website and you can get 3 times the models at the same quality and can be used for more than one system for £18'' i may just take up their advice.

Now a whinger who moans about the prices while still buying gw gets ignored, as does someone who tells me to buy GW.



i really do not understand why people will buy GW stuff when there is cheaper stuff that's just as good.

I would love to buy GW models, but whilst they are 3 times the money of other manufactures and have less benefits I doont see why I should. even if i did have the money, i wouldnt buy them.

swordbrotherjim wrote:How does people crying about the cost of GW products affect the way you think about the products? How do you handle these people when you encounter them?

How does it affect you when trolls ask disingenuously-phrased leading questions?

swordbrotherjim wrote:
How does people crying about the cost of GW products affect the way you think about the products? How do you handle these people when you encounter them?

The crying does not affect the way I think, the cost affects what I think. I agree with them usually these days.

Squigsquasher wrote:This is going to go well...

That's good - it certainly didn't start well.

necrovamp wrote:People have a good reason to be annoyed at the rises.

16 Plastic GW Brettonian arches - £20 (ish)
http://www.wargamestore.com/Warhammer-Bretonnian-Bowmen-Regiment-p-2027.html

40 Plastic Perry Wars of the Roses Billmen (can make 30 archers with the other 10 models being men at arms/command etc) £18
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=2471

Now, as the peer brothers work for GW their sculpting is just as good if not better, the castings are marginally better than GW.

If you buy the historical minatures, not only can they be used for empire/bretonnians but you can also make a historical army too, 3 armies in one.

If someone said to you do you want 16 figures for £20 or 40 for £18 and you get spend the other £2 on a chocolate bar or ice cream, what would you go for?

Now To the On topic bit. I will listen carefully to any whinger, as a lot of them have valid points. if they say ''Instead of paying stupidly high prices for some models you can only really use in one system, go on this website and you can get 3 times the models at the same quality and can be used for more than one system for £18'' i may just take up their advice.

Now a whinger who moans about the prices while still buying gw gets ignored, as does someone who tells me to buy GW.



i really do not understand why people will buy GW stuff when there is cheaper stuff that's just as good.

I would love to buy GW models, but whilst they are 3 times the money of other manufactures and have less benefits I doont see why I should. even if i did have the money, i wouldnt buy them.

Why most people buy from GW? because they grew up with GW and is the only product they know. It has mass marketing from video games and is what mostly found in FLGS