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Got the rulebook in hand and reading the stuff about power weapons. Dont see any 5++ as people have been talking about.
When it comes to power weapons you have to determine what kind of power weapon it is. The rule book says look at the model, if its a sword or dagger its a power sword. If its an ax or halbard its a power ax and if its a club or mace its a power maul. Listen below for convinence.

The issue here is that in your army list it still says power weapon. So you can make an army list, say guard and see what your opponent is playing and take out models accordingly. You are playing against orks, man I need some help wounding, take mauls. You are facing Deathwing, man I need the axes. You are facing Sisters and maybe it is best to go with swords. All are power weapons and so your list has not changed, only the models you took out of your case.


Sword S= AP3
Ax S+1 AP2 I1
Maul S+2 AP4

Well all in the name of selling more models. Now you need three times the models or weapon arms of magmatized.

Now this is the inevitable question, what about armies where older models have all kinds of crazy weapons. For example, I have a couple of these commissars.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer-Imperial-Guard-Commissar-with-Axe-/310384538097?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item48445c31f1

Those are clearly axes these guys are toting, but will they really count as a power axe? I can see this being abused by modeling to advantage a bit for other armies, although I can't lie I'd much rather have power axes on my guardsmen than Power Swords, as that lets them hit as hard as a space marine, with only a slightly slower reaction time (whoop de doo, I swing the same time as orks )

MrMoustaffa wrote:Now this is the inevitable question, what about armies where older models have all kinds of crazy weapons. For example, I have a couple of these commissars.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer-Imperial-Guard-Commissar-with-Axe-/310384538097?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item48445c31f1

Those are clearly axes these guys are toting, but will they really count as a power axe? I can see this being abused by modeling to advantage a bit for other armies, although I can't lie I'd much rather have power axes on my guardsmen than Power Swords, as that lets them hit as hard as a space marine, with only a slightly slower reaction time (whoop de doo, I swing the same time as orks )

that is a power axe if its a power weapon. If you want a sword you have to model a sword. The rules are the rules, even my dark eldar are going to have to start modeling up some power axes.

Thats kinda cool not gunna lie. Im sure these things (or their equivalents as i cannot see Eldar using power axes and mauls really push it too) will be fixed as the new codexes are released. So far the more i learn about 6th the more excited i get, cant wait to finally get my hands on the book in a couple days

It gets sticky in places though.

The power weapon from the Scourges box is a spear IIRC.

Will most likely be FAQd for things like the Dark Eldar spears.

In the case of Space Marines, I can imagine it being highly abused till you guys get your next update.

Sounds really stupid to me. There are lots of armies out there that have no access to axes or mauls in their kits at all. Eldar and Dark Eldar come to mind immediately. Seems like SM armies are going to have an advantage in terms of the diversity available to them in yet another way. I understand that most Xenos armies are fairly specialist, but it seems like in the face of no +2 saves and our basic power weapons not penetrating terminator armour the "special" part is being emphasized.

Howling Banshee exarch (old style model) has an axe, the new version has a 2-bladed staff/sword thing. It's kinda hard to see what's supposed to count as what until we see the FAQ.

Shandara wrote:Howling Banshee exarch (old style model) has an axe, the new version has a 2-bladed staff/sword thing. It's kinda hard to see what's supposed to count as what until we see the FAQ.

The Eldar codex says it count's as a power weapon that grants +2 strength. I'm thinking it will be FAQ'd as a sword though.

I'm thinking of the old incubi models with the axes: Their power weapons give an additional +1 S as well as being power weapons. Would this mean +2 S as if you give them swords instead they still get +1 S.

The newer codexes will have different upgrade costs, until then this could be abused quite a bit

p_gray99 wrote:I'm thinking of the old incubi models with the axes: Their power weapons give an additional +1 S as well as being power weapons. Would this mean +2 S as if you give them swords instead they still get +1 S.

I'm wondering the same thing, but with SW Frost Axes. Are these S6 now (S7 when mounted on a Thunderwolf)? As they also grant +1 S to the user.

OTOH it appears CSM Termies got the short end of the stick (again). Sucks to be you with all those Mauls.

Yeah, but I expect this will inspire quite a bit of conversion.

Actually there is only one maul in the csm term set, the rest are axes.
But looking at all the hype about power axes, are they that good? Don't they strike at the same time as power fists, being ini 1 and all?

AL-PiXeL01 wrote:Actually there is only one maul in the csm term set, the rest are axes.
But looking at all the hype about power axes, are they that good? Don't they strike at the same time as power fists, being ini 1 and all?

My thoughts exactly.. why take a power axe over a power fist in the first place?

Hmm, Vanguard veterans with power axes? Free I10 attack on the charge? Ooo....

Or banshees with axes... Who cares about I1? I'm I10 coz of masks xD

But, I think this could be cool. I think you should have to state what type the power weapon is in the list.

Von Chogg

Power axes may be lesser S power fists now, but they're 15pts cheaper, and if the rules are the same as 5th edition you can still get +1 attack for extra cc weapon with them, something you couldn't with power fists.

p_gray99 wrote:Power axes may be lesser S power fists now, but they're 15pts cheaper, and if the rules are the same as 5th edition you can still get +1 attack for extra cc weapon with them, something you couldn't with power fists.

In most SM codecies they're only 10 points cheaper. In my experience fists have usually been better than PW's in general on things like sergeants.

I wonder what this means for sanguinary guard.

Eidolon wrote:I wonder what this means for sanguinary guard.

The 2+ combined with the ability to take AP2 axes makes them veritable terminator killers (Thinking more Chaos Terminators and the like, going against regulars will pretty much see both sides wiping each other out, with the powerfists coming out on top in all likelihood), or pretty much anything with a 3+ or better save.

Also, the power axes could be used by armies without power fists e.g. eldar.

p_gray99 wrote:Also, the power axes could be used by armies without power fists e.g. eldar.

I believe the Eldar have a powerfist that the striking scorpion exarch can take, but that's about it. Could be useful for Dire Avengers and the like.

The more rules that were are seeing, the more 6th edition reminds me of 2nd edition. Woohoo for 2nd Ed reboot!

Never played 2nd but from what little I know, it does seem more like that. Even though they may have goofed up in a few places (they always do) this edition is by-and-large seeming a lot more fun and interesting than the current (or the last 3 in general).

May I ask how you got the rulebook so early?

Yeah, I was wondering that as well.

KrimsunBaron wrote:May I ask how you got the rulebook so early?

He got the collectors edition early??

MrMoustaffa wrote:Now this is the inevitable question, what about armies where older models have all kinds of crazy weapons. For example, I have a couple of these commissars.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Warhammer-Imperial-Guard-Commissar-with-Axe-/310384538097?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item48445c31f1

Those are clearly axes these guys are toting, but will they really count as a power axe? I can see this being abused by modeling to advantage a bit for other armies, although I can't lie I'd much rather have power axes on my guardsmen than Power Swords, as that lets them hit as hard as a space marine, with only a slightly slower reaction time (whoop de doo, I swing the same time as orks )

I have one of them too. AP2 ccw and hand flamer ftw

The collectors edition was sold before the normal one? Or are you questioning how he did?
Sort of shows you didn't read the first post where he says he has rulebook in hand