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Grabbin Klaw, Ork Codex, pg 93:

"At the beginning of the enemy movement phase, nominate an enemy vehicle within 2" of the grabbin' klaw. On a roll of 4+ that vehicle may not move this turn."

Can this be used on flyers? If so, doesn't that mean an instant death for any flying vehicle, since they have to zoom at least 18" or die?

Seems cheesy to me .... but legal? What say you, YMDC?

Legit. Orks have the best anti-air solutions!

auto-hit weirdboy melta, snapshots = no biggie, super-accurate grabba klaws!

Go figure!

EDIT: By language, it sounds like if the vehicle can elect to hover, then no auto-boom.

I say wait for an FAQ, or new ork book before trying this one.

"I'll allow it!"-Mills Lane, as Mills Lane

It isn't a snap shot, and it isn't a weapon. Looks like it works like the bomb squig, aka a very violent piece of wargear.

GW was hoping for more cinematic games, right?

Due to the dimensions of both the flying stand and the battlewagon, a plane being within 2" is highly unlikely.

Simple: model the klaw reach up into the air!

The klaw is not part of the hull, so there is no difference even if you make it large enough to cover the entire board with it. You are never allowed to measure to it.

The rule tells you to measure from it.

"within 2'' of the grabbing klaw" not within 2'' of the vehicle that has the grabbing klaw attached.

I've had opponents deny me use of the Klaw and Wrecking Ball (same wording iirc) because they were modelled on the other side of the BW, and thus out of the 2'' reach.

No it doesn't. The wrecking ball does that, the klaw doesn't
(It's actually better for the klaw that way)


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The OP has not quoted the exact wording, btw.

Scratch that, another translation error in the German codex. Grand total of 61 now.

That's what you get for being to lazy for getting the English one from the table.

GW really doesn't go for consistency, do they

I appoligize in advance and feel free to completely ignore the following... Mods may even delete it, but it makes me feel better to type it out instead of answer the OPs question... directly.

I really wish GW would not have used the word "shot" in the "Hard to Hit" Flyer rules on page 81. We would not have to wade through dumb stuff like this... The situation that is... not the OPs question. I want to be clear, I mean no disrepect to the OP, it's a game and games have rules. Rules questions are valid and I encourage them... but, good greif, stuff like this specific scenerio should be a no brainer. Flyers are a new fit to an old game franchise and old sets of codex rules. (rhetorical) Is there no leway to be had for a completely new sets unit types and their involvement in the game? I guess not... RAW is RAW until FAQd.

So we left to debate about what GW meant by phrases like, "increadibly difficult targets" and about "shots resolved" and "only resolved as Snap Shots" in the Hard to hit rules... and even though they say, "Template, Blast and Large Blast weapons cannot hit Flyers in Zoom mode" and even though Snap Shot has specific rules and further has examples of exotic weapons such as the Necron Monolith which cannot Snap Shot, we still have questions about squigs, grabbing claws, bug mawlocs, necro death rays, blood lances, JoTWW, etc... <sigh> I'm hopeful, dare I say confident, GW will put out a FAQ on all of this... in due time (months?) <cringe>

The whole concept of 41st Millenium Zooming Flyers that are apparently very high off the ground and very hard to hit and that can only be shot at by Snap Shot or units with Skyfire, is getting utterly ravaged by poor wording in the book which has only lead to a host of questions about "auto hit / area effect / auto effect / draw line types of rules....

Someone add "grabba klaw" to the list of bizzare stuff that folks are trying to do to these otherwise "incredibly difficult targets"... LOL...

If GW would have just said something like, "Flyers can only be "effected or harmed" by Snap Shot (or Skyfire)..." The questions would be far fewer.

Stuff like this is what makes me happy to have a very established older gaming group that allows some amount of logic to dictate.

Untill the FAQ...

Hops off the

The situation is likely to not come up that often witht he Klaw, as you'd pretty much have to be parked right under the flier to have a hope of it coming off.

I'd not be shocked if it gets FAQ'd eventually as a no-go.

Yeah, well I'm not thrilled that guys can just assault all over my Wave Serpent that just shot flat out 42" across the board (with star engines) as if it had been parked. If that works for the 6th ed writers, then I wouldn't be surprised by a bunch of orcs picking a zooming flyer out of the sky with a klaw or smashing it with a wrecking ball.

See, the issue really comes around because 6th has been described by GW as the "Cinematic" edition. Yeah, things like Terror From the Deep, Wrekkin' Balls and Grabbin' Klaws attacking flyers are somewhat silly, but also pretty awesome visuals, and Rules as Written support their use that way.

No, it's not going to happen often. You need to be close enough to the flyer, and even then it'll only happen half the time. But like everything else about the game, rules and models are representative of dynamic, active combat. I see the Wrekkin' Ball and Grabbin' Klaw working only when the flyer is Zooming down just above everyone's heads to make a strafing run more than anything else.


Also, where's the rule that says Fliers die if they cannot move at least 18"? (of course, this doesn't matter if they can Skimmerify). The guys at my FLGS don't believe that it'd wreck the vehicle- they think it would count as Immobilized, and therefore just have it's speed 'locked' at 18" a turn the rest of the game.

I keep thinking using grabbin klaws against flyers is like trying to catch a fly with chop sticks. A fun way to pass the time, and totally awesome when you catch one

But ya, a flyer is a vehicle so fun orkiness ensues

Anvildude wrote:Also, where's the rule that says Fliers die if they cannot move at least 18"? (of course, this doesn't matter if they can Skimmerify). The guys at my FLGS don't believe that it'd wreck the vehicle- they think it would count as Immobilized, and therefore just have it's speed 'locked' at 18" a turn the rest of the game.

On page 80, the last sentence in the paragraph under Zoom.

Awesome! You should be able to get within range fairly consistently if you but the big gun turret on the BW and put the klaw on top of the turret.

Are there any fliers that cannot do hover mode other than the ork ones?

-cgmckenzie

The only ones that can hover are, unsurprisingly, the SM ones. The rest are basically fethed. (DE, Ork so far IIRC)

De can't hover, neither can necrons, or orcs I believe. Only the storm whatsits and IG can hover. Cause they are imperials and have awesome cool technology no one else, not even hyper advanced ancient aliens have.

Sigh...

But we're prettier

Tau Remoras can hover. So can Valks.

Also, if another Ork player managed to grab my Valk with a grabbin' claw, I'd let him have that one just on principal, because it's awesome. If I did that to one of my buddies, they'd me have that one, because it's cool. Then again, I don't play with over competitive asshats.

Remoras aren't standard codex units yet, but i'd not be surprised tif they are in the next Tau dex I'd love them to be, as i like their look.

Rule of Cool is always the way to go, outside of RAW-hide games

You realize, Grabbin' Klaws and Wrekkin' Balls actually have RAW on their side. RAW, Rule of Cool, both confluate upon the Orks. It's just RAI that doesn't compute.

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Ok fine, the Klaw can work on flyers...

But on a roll of a 1, the flyer is allowed to tow the offending vehicle

Because Rule of Cool

Agreed, only if my Mawloc can leap out of the ground and latch onto a flyer. Of course on a roll of 1 the Mawloc is dragged along.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Ok fine, the Klaw can work on flyers...

But on a roll of a 1, the flyer is allowed to tow the offending vehicle

Because Rule of Cool

Works for me. Me Rolla equipped BW could use a 36'' tankshock/Ram

And because of the rule of cool i get to use my own fliers to do the same

Competitive people makes me so angry when they say things like "If the rules say within 2" of the klaw and it is on the other side of the vehicle then you can't use it on my vehicle."

based on that , I would endevor to make a 72" Grabbin Klaw that attaches to a swivel in the middle of my battlewagon and has joints so I can set it to any angle... nothing will be out of my range for long.... muwahahahahahaha

let them argue their way out of that one...

UrgThraka wrote:...let them argue their way out of that one...

The argument goes like this: Ooookay, then. See you later. Anyone else want a game?


Expecting you to measure to the klaw when the rules say to measure to the klaw is not being 'competitive'.

UrgThraka wrote:Competitive people makes me so angry when they say things like "If the rules say within 2" of the klaw and it is on the other side of the vehicle then you can't use it on my vehicle."

based on that , I would endevor to make a 72" Grabbin Klaw that attaches to a swivel in the middle of my battlewagon and has joints so I can set it to any angle... nothing will be out of my range for long.... muwahahahahahaha

let them argue their way out of that one...

It's for that very reason (and because I don't have the model) that I made my own Wrekkin' Ball, mounted on the Killkannon turret with a 4" Boom and 3" chain. It can swivel, go up and down, and the chain is an actual chain, which can be extended or brought back in. I mostly did it so it could reach all the way around the Battlewagon, though.