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Glad to see an 'official' Kingdom Death Kickstarter thread here on Dakka Dakka, and even more glad to see Kingdom Death 'himself' here answering questions too!

Thanks!

I I'm really looking forward to what happens in the next... month+!

(Though once you added in the Flower Knight I was all set! )

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I mentioned this in the KS comments, but I'll add it here as you may be more likely to see it.
Don't make the same mistake Reaper did early in their project by putting the freebie stretch goals too close together. You have 1300 backers now, and could potentially reach 5000 or more by the end, so just remember that every freebie could possibly need 5000 copies. I wouldn't want you to lose money on this project.

I wouldn't worry too much about that.

This one seems very well planned out, and once plastic tooling is purchased, the cost of the miniatures themselves is not excessive.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Will we e seeing more "re-releases" like the flower knight? I've always wanted a wet nurse... >.>

That particular model might not be a good idea for Kickstarter - as I'm sure you're well aware.

I think only the truly detail obsessed will lose sleep over that though.

We should have enough bits to build the various types of armor/weapons/etc. you can find and make.

The gameplay cards will then say what you actually have.

Everything should be "close enough"!

 RiTides wrote:
Thanks so much for posting here with all the info!!

New monster around 300K as posted in KS comments sounds great! I hope to see more White Lion armor at some point later and maybe Forsaker and Twilight Knight...!

I'd like those too!

Here's the quote, tantalizingly short of details as it is! :

Im up! But I am cheating by running off to dinner and to see Wreck it Ralph! But I shall return, maybe in time to put together the next stretch goal. If we hit 300k, i am thinking new monster. A big time new monster!

Also, saw Wreck It Ralph with my daughter this weekend - it was great, especially if you're like me (old?) and grew up in the 80's Video Game Beginnings!

The Dragon King Expansion will soon be unlocked - I wonder how much extra this huge beast is going to cost us!

 endtransmission wrote:

 kingdomdeath wrote:

@Bolognusus, The tiles are a little prototype I made at home. If there is enough interest maybe I can add them as an option. They were digitally sculpted by the same artist that worked on the white lion and were printed. There are 4 different tiles and I made the board by casting them several times, painting them grey and mounting em to a piece of foam board.

3d board tiles, or a mould to create the tiles, would be an awesome addition to the kickstarter. Consider the idea seconded

I can't imagine the cost for a full 2' x 3' board's worth of them though!

Also - are there pictures of the Adam & Anna Miniatures somewhere?

I don't think "Keegan Kor" holds any more weight there than anyone else.

Best bet?

Ignore him if he bothers you that much!

It is just too bad there's no actual "Ignore" feature on KS like there is on Dakka Dakka!

 Bacms wrote:


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on

If that happens, we'll still be OK, but the campaign might slow way down and not hit the projected potential of multiple millions.

Some things he can do is add in 'free' miniatures at the "Survivor" level and above, sprinkled in with more "add this miniature in for $x" type of 'rewards'.

This gets more new backers to commit and also gets already committed backers to increase their pledge.

A tried and true formula.

Plus, with a ship date of a year from now, he should be able to figure it all out IF it is planned well, and it looks like it should be well planned!

Good point - maybe he'll eventually add in a Canadian Shipping version?

 Cyporiean wrote:

Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....

$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.

There you go then - that's that sorted!

Now, on to more stretch goals, please!

 Makaleth wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....

$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.

That sucks. I guess I still just have no idea how the postal service pricing works. Like I can order a huge 1' x 2' box of crap from The Warstore for >$20, but then the flat-rate for an even smaller box is somehow more expensive.

Anyway, I can't swallow a 50% shipping tax, so I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers that a regular retail version of the game will eventually become available.

Or that the added extras will be worth more to you than the 50% shipping tax.
There is already a tonne of added stuff. And all of the extras on top are free shipping (as $45 covers the lot)

That is a VERY good point, as the 'retail' on many of the $15 add-ons looks to be $30.

So, if you spend enough to get them, you'll be ahead of the game?

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:


That is a VERY good point, as the 'retail' on many of the $15 add-ons looks to be $30.

So, if you spend enough to get them, you'll be ahead of the game?

That is the fast-lane to Kickstarters Anonymous.

Don't I know it!

It is that reverse 'logic' that if you spend more, you'll be saving so much!

 Bacms wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Bacms wrote:


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on

If that happens, we'll still be OK, but the campaign might slow way down and not hit the projected potential of multiple millions.

Some things he can do is add in 'free' miniatures at the "Survivor" level and above, sprinkled in with more "add this miniature in for $x" type of 'rewards'.

This gets more new backers to commit and also gets already committed backers to increase their pledge.

A tried and true formula.

Plus, with a ship date of a year from now, he should be able to figure it all out IF it is planned well, and it looks like it should be well planned!

The lack of updates it is a clear signal he is trying to down the campaign and so not hit the projected potential. Let's see how it goes

You're not serious, are you?

Anyway... we've got 40+ days to go - more than enough time for things to get even more interesting than they already are!

Tannhauser42 wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
I don't think anyone would have planned for this campaign to get so big so fast. It's clear that he did do a lot of planning, but there's no way he expected to blow through 10+ stretches/ add ons in four days.
It would be nice to see more than one stretch in advance, but he might need a few days to get there.

It's also quite possible that he has to work with his manufacturer before making any further commitments. The project is at 1500+ backers now. That may be the final amount they had planned for, but instead it looks to be a fraction of what will end up being the final tally. 41 days to go, that's a lot to plan ahead for.

Interesting note: bases on the current performance, Kicktraq has it trending towards almost $3,000,000. I doubt that will happen, as this seems like one of those projects that will level off for awhile and then pick up steam again, but we'll see.
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/

I think it will be closer to 1 to 1.5 million.

I think the 'delay' we're seeing now is due to the desire to have good, attainable stretch goals - for all parties involved!

Also, we're spoiled a bit by the number of updates we got in the opening rounds!

Fafnir wrote:Yeah, I think the project will probably finish off at around 500,000. Maybe a million. I expect it to slow down a fair bit from here on out.

That's quite they range there, Mr. Vegas!

squall018 wrote:Just a question as I'm new to Kickstarter, but is there any kind of guarantee if you pledge money? I'm not saying anyone would intentionally take the money and run, but I've never pledged before and was just wondering.

Nope, no guarantee at all really, but if you back a project from an 'established' player, you're probably OK.

About the only guarantee we have is that the more successful a Kickstarter, the longer the delay in getting everything delivered - for obvious reasons!

Though with the delivery date on this one going to this time next year, we should be fine!

 Bacms wrote:
Just increased my pledge to include all the extras in plastic with the exception of behind the wall which I want in resin. That means I already am at $291. Damn if this keeps going like this its going to be a very expensive kickstarter

I fully expect this one to be much like SW, Relic Knights, etc. and end up in the $400 range for a 'realistic' 'get them all' type of deal...

 RiTides wrote:
But if he lets people add armor sets as add-ons, they'll need to figure out what to include anyway. And they'll already be doing this for optional pin-ups, resins, etc.

I'm talking about Survivor bonuses, not the box contents, btw.

Sounds like a good idea, and something that could be done while only adding a bit of complexity to the end of campaign pledge manager.

I'm betting the many of the monsters will not be easy to defeat, and they'll be time spent developing a settlement, new armor and weapons, etc.

A pic, for those that like pics!

I know that given the background of the KD world and the MONSTER box that this is unlikely, but I'd love to see a Twilight Knight in this one:



and a Great Game Hunter too!

That's probably not the "Pin up" version of her though!

I'll take both, please!

Aya the Survivor?

Sooner?

There's still 40 days left to go - plenty of time to jump on in and get yourself into trouble!

RiTides - as predictable as the days of the week!

Hopefully he'll offer both versions up to make everyone happy...

I rather like this one myself:

Nice scale pic!



Very helpful to have - thanks!

grefven wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!

The resin details are a bit sharper.

Look at the belt studs, the armor edges and the sword.

Overall, not a big difference, and I'll take the reduced cost and the increased durability any day!

Especially as I want a second Flower Knight for a Counts As Daemon Prince...

 RiTides wrote:
Alph- exactly. As long as it is near PP's plastic in detail quality, I'll be happy.

Zombiecide, on the other hand, has too soft of detail in their plastic for my taste (and for the cost that KD is charging).

Agreed on that count - but I see Zombicide as a Beer and Pretzels type of board game and KD as a more 'upscale' one with way more modeling and painting opportunities, as well as more opportunities to use the miniatures in other gamest too.