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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/graphic-video-shows-police-shooting-dog-during-arrest-170457073.html

This video is disturbing. I don't really want to focus on the police shooting the dog because to my eyes the events that lead to the shooting should not have happened. The individual they arrested was one of at least 3 filming the raid. He was in no way disrupting the police's ability to do their job. 2 officers carrying submachine guns march up and arrest him for no apparent reason (he complies). I can't think of a dog that would not have had the same reaction to their owner being surrounded.

A sad event because of stupididy by all involved. Once the dog jumped at the cops it was over, but why they felt compelled to arrest him , causing the dog to attack, I can't fathom. On the other hand, it sounded like he was antagonizing the cops in a stressful situation, causing them to come at him and that dog was clearly trained to attack if he seemed to it in danger.

Larger breeds need little training if their owner/master/best friend apears to be under threat.

I can't completely fault the officer who shot the dog no matter how much the act discusts me, the bottom line is it should have never come to that. Had these thugs simply left the dog owner alone this would not have occured.

Wow, that was.....hard man. The guy was trying antagonize the cops, it isnt about the video taping at all, they didnt care about the others video taping at all. The poor dog though man. It just had an idiot owner.
Y'know it is funny, my chihuahua ran after a cop once, they cop put his arms out to hug and pet it.



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 Crablezworth wrote:
Larger breeds need little training if their owner/master/best friend apears to be under threat.

I can't completely fault the officer who shot the dog no matter how much the act discusts me, the bottom line is it should have never come to that. Had these thugs simply left the dog owner alone this would not have occured.

If the owner didnt atagonize the cops, then leave the window down so the dog could get out, it would not have occured.

I dont get how he is antagonizing the cops, isn't he just standing there holding up his cell phone recording whats going on?

If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

Oh right, I kind of missed that.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

If you were not so obviously invested in your viewpoint of police as "heavy handed thugs", you would understand that the individual in question is doing something very common when police raid areas with significant populations of one ethnicity or another. The goal of the guy filming it is to provoke a confrontation between himself and the police, usually in the hopes of inciting something more from the populace.

It is the intent of the individual to start something up, and police are usually very aware of it during situations such as raids.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

Other than harassing the officers and agitating the situation even more, Especially in tense situation like a raid?
The guy deserved to get cuffed, the shooting was warranted, but the dog deserved much better than this.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

They were trying to respond to a call of an armed robbery, a dangerous situation, and the man was causing a disturbance, distracting the officers. When bullets can go flying any second, a jack ass on the side of the road yelling at them is only going to get people hurt.

A crap situation to be sure. While the owner was being a nuisance, I hardly see that as a reason to have arrested him. Had the cops not come over and screwed with him, a guy who wasn't getting close to any cop nor to the scene of what was going on, none of this would happen, but they did. Also, the dog was keeping it's distance until the cop lunged at it. What was trying to do? Grab it? Smart cop right there.

I like how this cop handles an aggressive dog.



Now let's see some real police work in action! NSFW, brutal stuff.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

What do you think a bystander should be able to do during something like this? What is your personal line for when it's okay to arrest someone in this situation?

When they break some sort of law, that' usually a good start. You'll notice the individual was certainly not alone in recording the police...

There are indivduals already cuffed sitting on the curb that the officeres carrying the submachine guns go and stand next to. I'm not quite sure how the dog owner distrupted their ability to stand around the cuffed individuals sitting on the sidewalk. Individuals in this thread are acting like the dog owner rushed over and started pushing a camera into the faces of a swat team breaching a door and that's just sad. The whole police can do no wrong thing is pathetic at best. If you don't think this warrants even a basic look at what could be done better from a precdural standpoint then there is no hope in convincing you of anything.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

If you were not so obviously invested in your viewpoint of police as "heavy handed thugs", you would understand that the individual in question is doing something very common when police raid areas with significant populations of one ethnicity or another. The goal of the guy filming it is to provoke a confrontation between himself and the police, usually in the hopes of inciting something more from the populace.

It is the intent of the individual to start something up, and police are usually very aware of it during situations such as raids.

Kan is absolutely right. If what was said about the guy shouting things at the police is true (I won't watch this video), then unlike in situations where police are actually being heavy handed thugs, it would seem as though this was just a bid at antagonizing police that backfired.

I actually feel more bad about the dog being shot than if the guy would have been shot. The dog was just trying to be a good dog, and do what dogs do. Humans should know better.

 Crablezworth wrote:
When they break some sort of law, that' usually a good start. You'll notice the individual was certainly not alone in recording the police...

I don't think it was just the recording. something about loud music and harassing the officers (at work, no sound)


People should be free to film though but at there own risk and should keep there mouths shut.

 daedalus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

If you were not so obviously invested in your viewpoint of police as "heavy handed thugs", you would understand that the individual in question is doing something very common when police raid areas with significant populations of one ethnicity or another. The goal of the guy filming it is to provoke a confrontation between himself and the police, usually in the hopes of inciting something more from the populace.

It is the intent of the individual to start something up, and police are usually very aware of it during situations such as raids.

Kan is absolutely right. If what was said about the guy shouting things at the police is true (I won't watch this video), then unlike in situations where police are actually being heavy handed thugs, it would seem as though this was just a bid at antagonizing police that backfired.

I actually feel more bad about the dog being shot than if the guy would have been shot. The dog was just trying to be a good dog, and do what dogs do. Humans should know better.

How it's even possible to comment one way or another without watching the video is beyond me.



I'm trying to be pragmatic, I'm trying not to let emotion cloud my perspective on this. I can understand being afraid of a dog and shooting it when it comes at you. However this would simply not have occured if the two officers simply continued to stand around the cuffed individuals.

 Crablezworth wrote:
When they break some sort of law, that' usually a good start. You'll notice the individual was certainly not alone in recording the police...

It isnt about the recording, It is about him deliberately antagonizing the police, in a tense situation, the cops had no idea if there was maybe another gunmen there. They dont want some idiot yelling obcenities at them. Why is everyone trying to make this about recordings? It isnt, it is about him doing something stupid and suffering for it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
When they break some sort of law, that' usually a good start. You'll notice the individual was certainly not alone in recording the police...

It isnt about the recording, It is about him deliberately antagonizing the police, in a tense situation, the cops had no idea if there was maybe another gunmen there. They dont want some idiot yelling obcenities at them. Why is everyone trying to make this about recordings? It isnt, it is about him doing something stupid and suffering for it.

The cops seemed fairly calm, as did the overall situation. Seeing as there were already individuals cuffed and sitting on the curb... if this situation was as tense as you say, why were the cuffed individuals not even being guarded by an officer in proximity/in the back of a car? The two officers casually saunter over to them and stand around them casually talking. This isn't Jack Bauer on 24 level tense.

I have to wonder why, with the miniaturization of technology these days, small cameras haven't become standard equipment of officers on duty.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 daedalus wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
If you listened you can hear him yelling things at the cops. Such as "why are there no black cops here?" or(before he got arrested) "This is a civil rights violation"

And that had what affect on the two officers doing their job>?

If you were not so obviously invested in your viewpoint of police as "heavy handed thugs", you would understand that the individual in question is doing something very common when police raid areas with significant populations of one ethnicity or another. The goal of the guy filming it is to provoke a confrontation between himself and the police, usually in the hopes of inciting something more from the populace.

It is the intent of the individual to start something up, and police are usually very aware of it during situations such as raids.

Kan is absolutely right. If what was said about the guy shouting things at the police is true (I won't watch this video), then unlike in situations where police are actually being heavy handed thugs, it would seem as though this was just a bid at antagonizing police that backfired.

I actually feel more bad about the dog being shot than if the guy would have been shot. The dog was just trying to be a good dog, and do what dogs do. Humans should know better.

How it's even possible to comment one way or another without watching the video is beyond me.

Did YOU watch the videos you post or read the article?

The man in question, who was "arrested for filming" has a record of domestic violence and civil suits against the Hawthorne police department.
The man in question had also apparently stopped his car and gotten his dog out SPECIFICALLY to film the raid in progress and in the process started questioning "Why there was no black cops" and shouting about the raid being a "civil rights violation".

Still want to say that this was all just the police at fault, or are you willing to wise up and realize that he was trying to stir the pot?

You should be able to shout anything you want to at the police, anytime, without fear that they will shoot your dog.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
When they break some sort of law, that' usually a good start. You'll notice the individual was certainly not alone in recording the police...

It isnt about the recording, It is about him deliberately antagonizing the police, in a tense situation, the cops had no idea if there was maybe another gunmen there. They dont want some idiot yelling obcenities at them. Why is everyone trying to make this about recordings? It isnt, it is about him doing something stupid and suffering for it.

The more I looked into this situation, I found the man that got arrested had a fair record of his own, so he was out to push buttons.

Its the police officers job to stay calm and collected. im fairly sure as well that the people cuffed on the streets are ether other bistanderds making business, or people cleared from the house that showed no credible threat, only in cuffs from future questioning later.

besides that it seems that the actual raid was occurring on the other side of the street with multiple squad cars and a large swat van. and most of that commotion was blocked from view so we wont really know

Purple Saturday wrote:
You should be able to shout anything you want to at the police, anytime, without fear that they will shoot your dog.

Not if it's distracting someone in a dangerous situation that could get them killed.

Purple Saturday wrote:
You should be able to shout anything you want to at the police, anytime, without fear that they will shoot your dog.

A rottweiler was charging at them... They didn't just say "Hey, lets go arrest that guy and shoot his dog."

There was a lot of things going on here. Why not examine all of the facts, instead of building your own picture off of the misleading title of the thread.

Purple Saturday wrote:
You should be able to shout anything you want to at the police, anytime, without fear that they will shoot your dog.

You can shout whatever you want at the police.

You should however be aware that if you have a Rottweiler or other "scary dog" that makes aggressive moves towards police, it is likely going to get shot.

And had the police simply continued chatting amongst themselves nothing would have happened. Perhaps they were dicussing how dangerous it is to casually stand around a suburban neighbourhood with only submachine guns to protect themselves with...


They certainly looked really tense...

 djones520 wrote:

Purple Saturday wrote:
You should be able to shout anything you want to at the police, anytime, without fear that they will shoot your dog.

A rottweiler was charging at them... They didn't just say "Hey, lets go arrest that guy and shoot his dog."

There was a lot of things going on here. Why not examine all of the facts, instead of building your own picture off of the misleading title of the thread.

Well, actually, it ran at them then stopped. Only when the officer lunged at it did it jump up and snap at him. I'm not saying it wasn't an aggressive posture, but still, for reasons beyond my understanding, he tried to grab a large dog. When he didn't like how the dog reacted, he shot it.

A rottweiler was charging at them... They didn't just say "Hey, lets go arrest that guy and shoot his dog."

There was a lot of things going on here. Why not examine all of the facts, instead of building your own picture off of the misleading title of the thread.

I did watch the video. Pretty standard treatment of bystanders by police. I know police apologists abound, and wealthy white men are their most likely champions, but they really mishandled the situation. The police DO deal with this sort of thing all the time, so you think they'd be better at it. They had no right to arrest that man.