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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Unfortunately, as detailed in this sticky thread ( LINK ) we have to be extra careful about posters from a very specific location in Australia.

Specifically, posters near Telford Close, Dora Creek, NSW (New South Wales) Australia. We do not allow any full personal information to be posted, and that is not the entire address, but just an area to give you an idea.

I am posting this thread for one purpose only- to ask if anyone has an ongoing trade with the user EyeofDC, and if so, if the address is a match... or nearby. The local police were already notified by a user who lives nearby last time the scammer described in the sticky linked to above was active, but that person has been persistent and may try again despite the consequences... so we have to check.

For better or worse, EyeofDC has shown a similar posting pattern, and is posting from a similar location... therefore, I am preemptively asking if anyone has ongoing trades with this new user, who has only been on the site for a week.

Note that any user joining that recently, and offering things like Warhound Titans for sale on the cheap, should be cause for concern... but we have to take special care with this particular area due to the numerous scams listed in the sticky linked to above originating from that location.

All that said...

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Please only post here if you have been in discussions, or are involved in a trade with, EyeofDC. If so, please simply confirm if the address is close to the above area, or if there were any other problems (such as asking you to buy directly from the GW site, rather than through Paypal).

There should be no other posts in this thread whatsoever, and any other posts will be deleted!


If I am mistaken, I sincerely apologize and will not leave this thread open for long. However, as I said, past experiences mean we have to be extra cautious about this particular area.
   
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Fresh-Faced New User




Eureka, CA, USA

Well, he did offer me a really good deal on several exorcists. I sent him half, with the understanding that that was all I had until payday. He returned it, saying goods and services were locked out for 30 days, since his paypal was new.

Fishy as hell.

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Tough Traitorous Guardsman




That's real sweet and everything RiTides, but I borrowed a camera. here are your pictures with my name


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when you're at your weakest at night..in that period between reality in sleep..you'll hear a noise in the distance sounding a bit like gunfire going..dakkadakkadakkadakka 
   
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Most Glorious Grey Seer





Everett, WA

Ya gotta admit, that's more than we ever got out of MandelStarOne.


Reading's for morons who can't understand pictures.

 
   
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman




I will happily provide any proof. I just will NOT tolerate being accused based on the fact I'm selling them for less then retail.

when you're at your weakest at night..in that period between reality in sleep..you'll hear a noise in the distance sounding a bit like gunfire going..dakkadakkadakkadakka 
   
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh





Devon, UK

That's not what's happening dude, as far as I can see you are being treated with extreme caution due to the actions of one of your fellow countrymen.

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Tough Traitorous Guardsman




did you look at the topic in general discussion called forgeworld. he pretty much said it flat out.

when you're at your weakest at night..in that period between reality in sleep..you'll hear a noise in the distance sounding a bit like gunfire going..dakkadakkadakkadakka 
   
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Not as Good as a Minion






Brisbane

 azreal13 wrote:
That's not what's happening dude, as far as I can see you are being treated with extreme caution due to the actions of one of your fellow countrymen.


Which I have a real problem with, I mean how is that remotely fair? If it was extreme caution because he's from Dora Creek that's fine, but just because he's Australian? Really? Should I be extra wary of every US user on here because there have been some repeat offenders who have made multiple accounts from that country?

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I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own... 
   
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Tough Traitorous Guardsman




At this point. All I want is a public apology from RiTides.

when you're at your weakest at night..in that period between reality in sleep..you'll hear a noise in the distance sounding a bit like gunfire going..dakkadakkadakkadakka 
   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

 azreal13 wrote:
That's not what's happening dude, as far as I can see you are being treated with extreme caution due to the actions of one of your fellow countrymen.

Exactly.

It's not because he's from Australia- we have other means of telling where someone is posting from and it's much more specific than that.

He's also offering titans up for sale on the cheap a week after joining. This is a warning sign.

Personally, the above pictures (of... random FW bags? a cardboard box...?) mean nothing to me. I did not ask for them and specifically mentioned they would mean nothing to me if he did post them. And if those are pictures from a real "borrowed camera", not a camera phone, I'd be frankly shocked given the quality. We've all seen this charade before.

Breotan, just FYI regarding "MandelStarOne" (who this thread is not about). He actually often posted up pictures of FW items, particularly blurry ones mostly of the packaging (rather than specific items) just like this. He also posted FW invoices. He placed many orders with them, I'm sure... means absolutely nothing regarding whether or not he was ripping people off.

At this point, this user hasn't done so yet (and honestly, haven't had time to do so, given their join date)- but absolutely all of the warning signs are there and, combined with the specific location, meant we determined it appropriate to post a preemptive warning.

If anyone has something further to add, please PM me... otherwise, I'll lock this up and (hopefully) not have to re-open it again due to someone buying a super cheap titan from a user with absolutely no feedback, who lives near a user who has come back to this site multiple times to scam people. The warning's out there, people can do with it as they see fit.

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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

New info: EyeofDC is asking for Paypal payment sent as a gift (which removes Paypal's protections) or for users to wait 30 days for him to withdraw the funds. This is against the rules for trading here.

EyeOfDC wrote:I can do that the only problem is with paypal. They'll hold the funds for 30 days if it's not a gift. now i'm quite happy to not accept it as a gift and wait the 30 days before they release the funds But it's quite up to you.


I warn anyone against trading with ANY PERSON who you do not actually know well who sets out such conditions. Particularly such a new user.

If EyeofDC asks anyone else this, please PM me or post here. It is 100% not allowed and this will be the only warning regarding this practice.

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New Jersey, USA

I love when users post blurry pictures and just expect people to take their word as to what everything clearly is supposed to be.

/sarcasm

I had began a discussion with another user (who's name honestly escapes me, but he was relatively new) who was selling a FW Wraithseer. Picture was even blurrier than the ones EyeofDC had, and when I asked for a clearer shot, he said he had no means of getting one. When I suggested that I pay for half upfront before shipping, due to my concerns with the picture, he quickly became defensive and vitriolic, saying that "I had no reason not to trust him". He rebuffed my offer, but needless to say, I wasn't going to deal with him at that rate.

But back on topic... When a person is genuine about selling/trading their things, they will make every effort to show that they are the real deal, which includes, but is not limited to:

1. Providing accurate details and descriptions of all items.
2. Providing clear pictures of everything described.
3. Providing accurate delivery & payment information.

This is the bare minimum, at least by my standards of dealing on Dakka. And I don't believe EyeofDC is doing that.

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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Hey guys, I've had to delete 2 posts from this thread as it's taking us off-topic. I'm leaving Rurouni Benshin's above as it lists out some good basics to require of anyone you want to trade with.

However, to reiterate the OP, at this point please only post in this thread if you have had discussions / dealings directly with EyeofDC. Thanks.

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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Update: Here is a list of all the items that I have found so far that have been sold. If you bought an identical group of items (for example, a large tyranid lot) please post as that would be another warning sign.

Thankfully, anyone I have spoken to so far who has actually sent funds has done so as a normal Paypal payment, NOT AS A GIFT. If you are asked to send a payment as a gift as a condition of trading, please PM me or post here! Do NOT do so!

If you have bought identical items to any on the below list from this user, please also PM me or post here.

Items that have been paid for already by users:

Terrain

Warhammer woods
deathknell watch the old manor set (OOP)
Realm Of Battle Board Set

Forgeworld

A complete set of the imperial armour books

Tyranids
Bio titan
Barbed hierodule

Ork
1Gargantuan squiggoth

Imperial guard Death Korps of Kreik
10 Rough riders inc commisar rough rider
2 Firing squads and one advancing squad]
2 Command squads
3 Grenadier squads
1 Command hq squad
3 Commisars
1 Quartermaster
7 Mortar teams
4 Centaur tractors
2 Gorgons.
Armored assault launcher

Imperial Guard
3 Malchador defenders
1 Malchador infernus
2 Storm eagles
3 Spartans
1 Fellblade
1 Stormlord
1 Shadowsword

Imperial Navy
Three thunderhawks
One plain
One with Rino
and one with with landrader

1 Warhound titan with weapons systems


Non-Forgeworld GW

Orks
3 Stompas
3 Dakkajets unbuilt
5 Meganobs
20 Ork boys
2 Trukks
9 Warbikes

Tyranids
9 venomthropes
6 Lictors
18 Tyranid Warriors
2 Trygons
23 Ravenors
3 Tervigons
6 Carnifexes

Imperial Guard
20+ Basilisks
6 Baneblades
30 Leman Russ
20 Sentinels
13 Chimeras

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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Update 2 weeks later: No shipping information has been sent to any buyers, and communication has also cut off... looks like it will be time to file claims with Paypal sooner rather than later...

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Kansas

This is what I was getting from him.
4 chaos rhinos
1 chaos land raider
2 Helldrakes
20 blood letters
1 lord of skulls

Just not sure what to think about this whole thing so I'll just post what has been said so far.

messages I have got from him so far:
Him- "shipping to the US is fine, no problem. and paypal does, Since my account is new they hold funds for 21 days so I can either do that way and wait for it to clear. or send as a gift with note attached and I can send straight away (They don't hold it for some reason?) Or if you have another suggestion."

Him -"okay though I can't send for 21 days."

me -"That's okay. Money is sent.
I'm okay with waiting to make sure everything is all good. "

Him- " Also, Just to let you know, by the time it will reach you the dispute timeframe is over but if you're okay with waiting that's fine"

Me- "why can't you ship it now? the money shows it's there it's not like I can do take backs or anything unless I do a refund but then I have to explain to paypal why I am. it's not like your not going to get paid for it. Just wondering?

him - "I can't access the funds till you receive it and mark it as fine, at any time you can tell them it's not and they'll instantly release it back to you. also atleast 50 of that is going into shipping it I had a guy pull this stunt on me a few weeks ago and I lost alot of money, So for me it's safer if I wait till I have the funds"

him "If you do change your mind at anytime, I can refund it and we can re do it. (did you know if you put a note with a gift saying it's for goods you can get it back?)"

me- "I could not find anywhere on paypal that shows there is protection on Gifting money."

him- "1. (I know this means very little obviously, but I know this is no scam and can take pictures with your name on it, 2. I can have it out tomorrow 3. I've heard of alot of people that have rang up paypal and said they had no idea they weren't protected and you did it to save them fees and then they help."

me- "Okay just got off the phone with Paypal. they said that there is NO protection on any Gifted money. They said if you want your money faster you can ship the items and enter the Tracking number on paypal and that you will get your money in 3 days after the items are shipped.
Also I can't Take the money way unless I do a dispute which they monitor the chat between us. So I can't just take the money away as your shipping or when I get the items.

So again we can wait the 21 days to ship ( Which I am fine with) or do what they said and you could shipping the items out and they will send your money (even with a new account that would normally take 21 days) if you add the tracking number.
They said once the item is received the money will process to the sellers account 3 days after.

Still your choice."

Me- "So your all good with sending it and getting the money 3 days later or waiting the 21 day's then?"

him- "sending it is fine."

me- "let me know what the tracking number is."

Last message he sent was on Jan 10th

I have emailed him and sent PM's. I have not heard back from him since the 10th

Maybe this will help others as well...

   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Thanks for posting, Falcon. His last post on Dakka was on the 6th (in this thread). Did he communicate with you via PM here on the 10th, not email?

The 10th also corresponds with the date I posted the list of items he had already sold above...

Could you please check and tell me the date when he asked you to pay by gift? I.e., if it was after the 7th when the warning was posted above for him not to do so.

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Kansas


His last post was on the 10th via PM saying "sending it is fine."

This was on Jan 8th
EyeOfDC wrote:If you do change your mind at anytime, I can refund it and we can re do it. (did you know if you put a note with a gift saying it's for goods you can get it back?)
   
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Pragmatic Collabirator




Dayton Ohio

I had real time (quick) pm correspondence with him on the 7th. It all seemed very sketchy to me. I was here last time someone showed up selling huge amounts of FW cheap.

Dont know if it helps but thats what I got.
   
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Robot Cat






T-county

I have actually turned mine into a paypal claim due to lack of communication. He was even supposed to mail it in country (to another Aus based dakka user), so it would be fully traceable.
   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Thanks for the update guys. Let us know how Paypal responds to the claim, Whalemusic (or if they have already, etc) and if there's anything that others should reference when filing theirs.
   
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Executing Exarch





McKenzie, TN

Well looks like I have been ripped off.

I purchased; warhound+2 turbo laser arms, herald on juggernaught, Huron black heart, and 50 horrors from him and his communications stopped Fri, Jan/10/2014 10:49:53 with a PM (on dakkadakka) stating he just needed my shipping address to ship (which he already had and was responding as I questioned why he had not shipped).

Unfortunately I has fairly sick and medicated when I did this trade (very bad judgement on my part) and I sent the money as a friend. Therefore if anyone has information with which I could pursue legal action against this individual with I would appreciate them PMing me. I would also appreciate any advise, because though I have done a few trades with Australians, I have never had any problem (in fact this is the only problem I have ever had with any trades whatsoever, dakkadakka had been good to me so far).

Thank you anyone that can give me aid or advice.
   
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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Ansacs, please don't give up on this- contact Paypal and explain your confusion as to the options. I have heard that if you press them hard, they still sometimes will refund you EVEN IF you mistakenly sent the payment as a friends/family payment.

Point them to this thread, as well, showing that the person is clearly ripping people off. It may help!
   
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Robot Cat






T-county

Just a heads up, I did get a refund from Paypal for the transaction. If anyone needs the claim number for their own attempts at refund, pm me.
   
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Rookie Pilot






Melbourne, Australia

My mate Duc was sold the contents of these pics too. Your details are being passed on to the police and I gave him your address. Best of luck with that


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He was also offered the warhound btw.


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Actually 2 warhounds and a reaver... Wish I still lived on the coast....

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Dankhold Troggoth






Shadeglass Maze

Ugh, thanks for updating here, mrshl9898. How was the trade worked out, if not through Dakka?

Below is some information from the prior transaction report, showing the police who were contacted before... if it is about the same person, there should be much swifter action taken, since they already have a file on them.

Given that you are also in Australia, I would consider PM'ing Makaleth for more details before you / your friend contacts the police. That way, you could reference exactly his report to the police when you contact them.

 RiTides wrote:
Here's is Makaleth's post from the last transaction report, showing which police he contacted and the incident number:

 Makaleth wrote:
ok, quick recap.

The police have been contacted. I cannot put much on the public domain (as that would not be right).

The incident number is ES3031178

The only thing I was allowed to put through officially was my case. I cannot go into detail much anymore as there is an investigation going on.

If you have had items taken (hopefully all of the GW vouchers were returned) you can go to your police and lodge a complaint and they might be able to join them up, but it is not common on this sort of matter.

The short of it. If you cannot reroute your packages, it is almost impossible to get it back as I thought.

If anything else happens (or you have been personally impacted and have questions) PM me or RiTides. I will update when I can.

Thanks All,
and remember... PAYPAL and do not do odd trades with newbies.

 Makaleth wrote:
Also,
I don't have the officers personal details. But the matter number and the Castle Hill Police Station is all that is needed to log that with the NSW/Australian Authorities.

If you need more info to make the complaint please PM me.
   
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McKenzie, TN

I can also give you any information that you may want about my being gouged for 350 AUD. I was not able to do anything about it as paypal ran me in circle for 2 months wasting my time but I have all my records.
   
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Steubenville, Ohio

Do Aussies not have the option for detailed PayPal invoicing's? I only ask because it seems like that is a missing piece here. I only ask because anytime I have ever invoiced and not been paid I don't ship. Anytime I have been invoiced and not received they froze the money.
This 21 day nonsense is unheard of.to me.

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Melbourne, AUS

Hi guys.

I was recently stung by "EyeofDC" ($270 for 2x Chaos Warhound Titans and 1x Chaos Reaver Titan). Being a new user to Paypal, I did not realize that there's no Insurance when sending $$$ to a "Family/Friend". Needless to stay, I'm hoping my "Dispute a Transaction" through Paypal and the local authorities will pan out.

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I recently got off the phone with NSW Castlehill Police Station in AUS (22 March 2014), they advised that I needed to contact my local police in Victoria and file a report which I will be doing. The Incident Number (ES3031178) they advised was not one of theirs ... not sure if the police are trying to pass the buck or something else.

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I recently got off the phone with Victoria Police who advised I need to contact the NSW Police Department since the offense happened in NSW ... *shaking fists*

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Please note: for Victoria, AUS residence ONLY! ... So after getting back to the Victoria Police, they referred me to their website which you will need to download the "VP Form 1418" and hand it to your local Victoria Police Station. I will fill it out and hand it to them asap.
http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?a=internetBridgingPage&Media_ID=51702

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Melbourne, Australia

I have also got mates at the largest banks, energy and phone providers reporting back to me Monday with his phone number and details, will fill you all in here and through PM


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And dragonhost is my mate Duc as previously mentioned to mods and in this thread.

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