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A simple question:

Is anyone else hoping that they'll be able to get the assassin models from aftermarket resellers without paying an arm and a leg?

Follow up question:

Is anyone willing to sell me the assassin models from this game without paying an arm and a leg?

It is believed the assassins will be available some time after the board game is depleted, so you'll probably be looking at them available for ~ $30 a piece. Hopefully that information should help give you a baseline for any swaps you are able to find.

Much appreciated. I'm not looking to drop any money on a (probably) poorly made board game just to get my hands on these puppies. Don't even play that much anymore, only want to paint 'em and put 'em next to my X Wing figures.

Sounds good!

Honestly, your best shot will be to wait till all of the boardgame copies are bought up and then the assassins are released individually. That will kill the re-sale value scalpers try to get out of buying these boxes and selling them on eBay. Once you see the assassins available via GW, they should be even cheaper online.

Good idea. I've been getting a lot more patient lately with purchases, to my benefit.

On another note, the pricing is so out of whack. Most full sized board games on the market hover from fifty to seventy dollars. This one is about double that. I understand that the models add to the cost but then...who is this really marketed to? If GW made their board games a bit more accessible in price, they would be able to draw new people into the hobby. Right now it seems like you're paying a premium to get specific model sculpts before other people. And that seems like such a small amount of the market. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's like a slash and burn approach to selling your product. Burn as many people as possible then slash your bottom line in half.

 gpfunk wrote:
Good idea. I've been getting a lot more patient lately with purchases, to my benefit.

On another note, the pricing is so out of whack. Most full sized board games on the market hover from fifty to seventy dollars. This one is about double that. I understand that the models add to the cost but then...who is this really marketed to? If GW made their board games a bit more accessible in price, they would be able to draw new people into the hobby. Right now it seems like you're paying a premium to get specific model sculpts before other people. And that seems like such a small amount of the market. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's like a slash and burn approach to selling your product. Burn as many people as possible then slash your bottom line in half.

Someone will be along presently to correct you in that board game players are obviously not supposed to buy this product nor are they intended to. I brought the exact same point up in another thread and was told this by several posters.

As to selling the models outside of the board game. If GW doesn't and attempt sale the models outside of the board game, I'm sure some enterprising individuals in China and Russia will be more than happy to pick up the slack.

Right, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

If they actually put some effort into making their board games...oh...I don't know...fun then they might actually drum up some new business rather than gouge the existing player base for more cash to get models early.

 gpfunk wrote:
Right, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

If they actually put some effort into making their board games...oh...I don't know...fun then they might actually drum up some new business rather than gouge the existing player base for more cash to get models early.

You're preaching to the choir, rev. When I made the same point, I also mentioned that it was a missed opportunity to draw in new blood by offering a lower-priced entry-level introduction to the game; kind of the niche that Necromunda and Warhammer Quest/Blood Bowl used to fill to some extent. Now that Games Workshop is currently Game Workshop (since they destroyed the WHFB world and haven't released any information about a reboot), they could put a bit more effort into promoting that game to the overall gaming population, not just their current captive audience.

speaking of the thread title, anyone bought the book? Do you think it's a good story or is it just some circlejerk fanfic that wont net any good reviews and will be forgotten about in a month?

well, really looking at it, its not as expensive as people think.

each assasin would probably retail for $25 a piece, $25 x 4 = $100.

The box set retails for $125, if all the assassins together are $100, thats $25 for another new game, 3 chaos space marines, a chaos lord, and 15 cultists.

Thats a good deal in my opinion, and because of the fact that the assassins are limited edition I think its a great deal.

But like a lot of people, I don't have that money right now so I can't pick them up, even if I had an interest for em'

Well, the assassins aren't really limited edition. The information about them in the White Dwarf says the board game is currently the only way to get them, so that'll like change as time goes on.

Now, from the other perspective, I find $25 for a single, monopose plastic figure to be quite high. I realize this is the trend with GW, but then I feel all of these single miniature are about $10 too expensive.

$125 for 24 miniatures, a board, and some tokens and rules to play a basic board game with. And all the miniatures are basically cheapo starter set/snap fit stuff, except the four assassins and the Chaos Lord. Compare this to Dark Vengeance (which I consider reasonable), and actually shares many of the same snap fit minis for the Chaos side. 49 miniatures, including some termies and a Hellbrute for $110.

This assassination game looks like something worth skipping.

Actually I can't really get why anyone would buy this, unless they have cash to burn and they don't have the patience to wait and buy one of the assassin models separately.

And I really, really strongly disagree with the design philosophy behind the new assassin models. I know they look pretty and have the nice poses and all, but there was a reason all the old assassin models had their feet making a strong connection point with the base. As single, elite character models with special abilities these are some of the most likely models to be manhandled during a game, and the new Eversor and Callidus models look like they'd break off really easily.

 gummyofallbears wrote:
well, really looking at it, its not as expensive as people think.

each assasin would probably retail for $25 a piece, $25 x 4 = $100.

The box set retails for $125, if all the assassins together are $100, thats $25 for another new game, 3 chaos space marines, a chaos lord, and 15 cultists.

Thats a good deal in my opinion, and because of the fact that the assassins are limited edition I think its a great deal.

But like a lot of people, I don't have that money right now so I can't pick them up, even if I had an interest for em'

The problem here is one of perspective. You're comparing the game pieces of a board game with wargame miniature prices. To be fair, it's not your fault; GW has conditioned you to think this way and has created a product that holds little to no value in itself as a board game and the only perceived value that potential buyers have is in how quickly they can acquire the wargame miniatures that come in the box. Think about that. The think if you would look at a monopoly the same way, or descent or any board game, even a board game with HIPs miniatures.

Also who wants the culexus? Like srsly. Would you pay $20 for a Culexus? How often would you make good use of it on the tabletop? Exactly. 1/4 of your money wasted.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Also who wants the culexus? Like srsly. Would you pay $20 for a Culexus? How often would you make good use of it on the tabletop? Exactly. 1/4 of your money wasted.

I strongly disagree; the Culexus is one of the best ways to fight Invisistars and psyker-heavy forces in general if you can't muster enough WC to deny major powers. The Culexus is also hilariously durable, because it's effectively got built-in Invisibility (all models attacking a Culexus must do so at WS1/BS1), plus a 4++ and 3 Wounds. When most everything shot your way doesn't even connect, a 3W/4++ model goes a long way, much longer than would be initially considered.

Oh, and his gun is S5/AP1, and he ignores armor in CC. All the time. And against Psykers his CC attacks are also ID.

Whiskey144 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Also who wants the culexus? Like srsly. Would you pay $20 for a Culexus? How often would you make good use of it on the tabletop? Exactly. 1/4 of your money wasted.

I strongly disagree; the Culexus is one of the best ways to fight Invisistars and psyker-heavy forces in general if you can't muster enough WC to deny major powers. The Culexus is also hilariously durable, because it's effectively got built-in Invisibility (all models attacking a Culexus must do so at WS1/BS1), plus a 4++ and 3 Wounds. When most everything shot your way doesn't even connect, a 3W/4++ model goes a long way, much longer than would be initially considered.

Oh, and his gun is S5/AP1, and he ignores armor in CC. All the time. And against Psykers his CC attacks are also ID.

i agree i read the rules in the white dwarf for him today and Culexus is bad ass and the model is real cool i would use him not only does he get that but he can also steal the opponents warp charge dice to make a shooting attack in their psychic phase

So has anyone picked this up yet? How does it play? What are the game mechanics like?

 Ratius wrote:
So has anyone picked this up yet? How does it play? What are the game mechanics like?

Well it's not out yet. Though reading comments from the White Dwarf people seem to think it's a heavily luck based game with random tables and random cards and random rooms. Just have to see I guess.


I just saw the price on the Australian website, holy bajeezus they're asking $210AUD for it They obviously didn't learn from Space Hulk (which seems to have sold badly over here due to the excessively high price).

Ah my error, thought it came out last Saturday.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
So has anyone picked this up yet? How does it play? What are the game mechanics like?

Well it's not out yet. Though reading comments from the White Dwarf people seem to think it's a heavily luck based game with random tables and random cards and random rooms. Just have to see I guess.


I just saw the price on the Australian website, holy bajeezus they're asking $210AUD for it They obviously didn't learn from Space Hulk (which seems to have sold badly over here due to the excessively high price).

Hey at least for Space Hulk you got like 22 Genestealers, 11 Terminators, 1 Terminator Libby and 2 objective markers, all individually sculpted, and nice board tiles on top of that.

For the same price you now get 4 Assassins, 1 Chaos Lord/Sorc in terminator armor, 15 snap-fit cultists, 3 monopose Chaos Marines and the tiles

Space Hulk was only $190AUD as well and there are still stores holding stock of it. At $210AUD for this I doubt they are going to sell much to anyone beyond the most dedicated fans.

I always felt Australia was GW's test bed of how high they can raise prices but they seemed to have overshot the mark and not noticed the product is still sitting on shelves.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
So has anyone picked this up yet? How does it play? What are the game mechanics like?

Well it's not out yet. Though reading comments from the White Dwarf people seem to think it's a heavily luck based game with random tables and random cards and random rooms. Just have to see I guess.


I just saw the price on the Australian website, holy bajeezus they're asking $210AUD for it They obviously didn't learn from Space Hulk (which seems to have sold badly over here due to the excessively high price).

Heavily luck based? Randomness? So many tables? Sounds like Geedubs to me.

I was pretty sure it was going to be gak, but my main issue is I'll have to wait awhile to get those individual assassin sculpts. Ah well, I can live with that. I wish they'd just market it as what it is...

Assassinorum: Cheap Boardgame Cash In.

(Cheaply made, not sold.)

 agnosto wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:
well, really looking at it, its not as expensive as people think.

each assasin would probably retail for $25 a piece, $25 x 4 = $100.

The box set retails for $125, if all the assassins together are $100, thats $25 for another new game, 3 chaos space marines, a chaos lord, and 15 cultists.

Thats a good deal in my opinion, and because of the fact that the assassins are limited edition I think its a great deal.

But like a lot of people, I don't have that money right now so I can't pick them up, even if I had an interest for em'

The problem here is one of perspective. You're comparing the game pieces of a board game with wargame miniature prices. To be fair, it's not your fault; GW has conditioned you to think this way and has created a product that holds little to no value in itself as a board game and the only perceived value that potential buyers have is in how quickly they can acquire the wargame miniatures that come in the box. Think about that. The think if you would look at a monopoly the same way, or descent or any board game, even a board game with HIPs miniatures.

Specifically looking at other miniature-based board games let's compare some. (This is ignoring all other components and just looking at cost of game vs # of minis (I'm guessing these are probably all similar in terms of # of unique sculpts) )

Descent 2nd ed - $80 - 46 miniatures ($1.74/mini)
MYTH - $90 - 41 miniatures ($2.20/mini)
SDE: Forgotten King - $100 - 58 miniatures ($1.73/mini)
Zombicide - $90 - 71 miniatures ($1.27/mini)
D&D Castle Ravenlof - $65 - 42 miniatures ($1.55/mini)


Assassinorum: Execution Force - $125 - 23 miniatures ($5.43/mini)

It's not even close.

People might say, "Oh but GW models are better." That may be true, but they're not that much better.

 Rainyday wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:
well, really looking at it, its not as expensive as people think.

each assasin would probably retail for $25 a piece, $25 x 4 = $100.

The box set retails for $125, if all the assassins together are $100, thats $25 for another new game, 3 chaos space marines, a chaos lord, and 15 cultists.

Thats a good deal in my opinion, and because of the fact that the assassins are limited edition I think its a great deal.

But like a lot of people, I don't have that money right now so I can't pick them up, even if I had an interest for em'

The problem here is one of perspective. You're comparing the game pieces of a board game with wargame miniature prices. To be fair, it's not your fault; GW has conditioned you to think this way and has created a product that holds little to no value in itself as a board game and the only perceived value that potential buyers have is in how quickly they can acquire the wargame miniatures that come in the box. Think about that. The think if you would look at a monopoly the same way, or descent or any board game, even a board game with HIPs miniatures.

Specifically looking at other miniature-based board games let's compare some. (This is ignoring all other components and just looking at cost of game vs # of minis (I'm guessing these are probably all similar in terms of # of unique sculpts) )

Descent 2nd ed - $80 - 46 miniatures ($1.74/mini)
MYTH - $90 - 41 miniatures ($2.20/mini)
SDE: Forgotten King - $100 - 58 miniatures ($1.73/mini)
Zombicide - $90 - 71 miniatures ($1.27/mini)
D&D Castle Ravenlof - $65 - 42 miniatures ($1.55/mini)


Assassinorum: Execution Force - $125 - 23 miniatures ($5.43/mini)

It's not even close.

People might say, "Oh but GW models are better." That may be true, but they're not that much better.

Exactly. It's a board game with limited replayability (unless you just love random on top of random on top of random with the same models over and over). So, even if the rules are "the awesome sauce", it's still an overpriced board game that's using wargame miniatures. You know who else does that? Mantic, and they do it a heck of a lot cheaper.

I have it on pre-order.

I'm sure the Assassins will be released separately at some point.

Personally bought it because A) their boxed games are typically quite fun IMHO. B) To buy the Assassins separately it'd cost me £38 (and I've been wanting to field them for a while) and C) Plastic. Assassins. I hate painting resin. D) The £20 of Chaos Marines will fold into the CSM army i'm slowly building.

If you break down the value of the minis it's not a bad deal, assuming the game is good (and I think it should be - I love the setup).

@OP No idea about US eBay, but there are already some appearing on UK eBay.

Best advice though is to simply wait - it's GW, they will absolutely release these at some point.

 Rainyday wrote:

Specifically looking at other miniature-based board games let's compare some. (This is ignoring all other components and just looking at cost of game vs # of minis (I'm guessing these are probably all similar in terms of # of unique sculpts) )

Descent 2nd ed - $80 - 46 miniatures ($1.74/mini)
MYTH - $90 - 41 miniatures ($2.20/mini)
SDE: Forgotten King - $100 - 58 miniatures ($1.73/mini)
Zombicide - $90 - 71 miniatures ($1.27/mini)
D&D Castle Ravenlof - $65 - 42 miniatures ($1.55/mini)


Assassinorum: Execution Force - $125 - 23 miniatures ($5.43/mini)

It's not even close.

People might say, "Oh but GW models are better." That may be true, but they're not that much better.

No, those are terrible comparisons. Castle Ravenloft probably has the nicest miniatures of your list, and they are about on par with the GW/Milton Bradley HeroQuest models from the 80s. I don't know anyone who's even painted them. Forgotten King are goofy looking cartoon things. Zombicide miniatures are terrible. Myth gives you carbon copies of bad miniatures, and Descent gives you nice gaming terrain, but models look like they were cast 20 years ago. I mean, by that metric, Monopoly beats all of them because you get tons of miniatures of all different sorts, from houses to cars to shoes, and for $20.

The value of a board game is not measured solely by in the number of miniatures. For example, I love Talisman, which has zero miniatures. The value of all miniatures is also not identical. The fact is, premium hero miniatures from GW are $25+ a pop. So are premium Privateer Press miniatures. If you don't like it, don't buy premium GW hero miniatures.

I would not trade 1 assassin model for this whole game; I wouldn't even paint one of these miniatures if I owned the box:

Talisman has models, at least the 4th ed does, and so did the 3rd, as far as I remember.

 Talys wrote:
The fact is, premium hero miniatures from GW are $25+ a pop. So are premium Privateer Press miniatures. If you don't like it, don't buy premium GW hero miniatures.

??? Jacks maybe, but they're hardly premium. Besides, lights go for like $16-$19. What am I missing?


This game is off the walls pricy. $210AUD is stupidly expensive, and I doubt it'll sell. Actually, one of Perth's main game stores still has limited edition Dark Vengeance, and a huge pile of Space Hulk. I doubt anyone I know will get this. I think this'll be a pretty big flop.

 Farseer Anath'lan wrote:

 Talys wrote:
The fact is, premium hero miniatures from GW are $25+ a pop. So are premium Privateer Press miniatures. If you don't like it, don't buy premium GW hero miniatures.

??? Jacks maybe, but they're hardly premium. Besides, lights go for like $16-$19. What am I missing?


This game is off the walls pricy. $210AUD is stupidly expensive, and I doubt it'll sell. Actually, one of Perth's main game stores still has limited edition Dark Vengeance, and a huge pile of Space Hulk. I doubt anyone I know will get this. I think this'll be a pretty big flop.

Well, everything in Australia is crazy expensive :X I dunno what it is with your cost of living. From gas to golf clubs you get nailed.

I am comparing independent characters to warjacks, which are the closest comparison of 'heroes' -- also, both companies charge more simply because you don't buy many of these for an army. Comparing troops, and most 25-40mm base models that are squads, most GW models are cheaper because they're sold in boxes of 5 or 10.

But that wasn't my point at all. I would rather pay $30x5 for 5 nice models (including the Chaos Lord) than $50 for a box of plastic I'll never paint.