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The Adepta Sororitas are one of the most prolific users of special weapons in 40K. They don't get them for FREE like certain War Convocations we won't mention (oops).

The Adepta Sororitas are also very good when they are all able to slap themselves in 8 or 9 Rhinos. Unfortunately not as free a rhino as certain Space Marines we won't mention (oops).

So if the Sisters of Battle gain a digital upgrade to their codex (best case scenario) or a new one with new Formations, which direction might GW go in giving the otherwise somewhat disadvantaged Sisters of Battle a boost?

Would you rather they got a Formation that gives you a Space Marine type armored corps, or would you like to see a "Free special weapons" thing happen instead?

In my games, in the CURRENT codex, the armored approach has been the better one because Sisters of Battle just won't stand up to concentrated fire and with Tau and such... So I lean more to the side of an armored formation.

This is purely guessing, but my money would be on a boost to faith powers, and possible their invul shield. I would prefer this over free stuff.

I suspect they will give them very toned-down and minor formations, like what the IG got.

This is of course under the wild assumption that they will get something at all.

I've always hated the idea of free stuff. It's straight up cheating no matter how you dress it up. Pull this kinda stunt 5 years ago and you'd have been thrown out the room by a bunch of pitchfork weilding screaming Gamers.

I wouldn't be surprised if he goes similar for the space marine route as I'm pretty sure they don't know what sisters are aside from another 3+ armour save.
Personally I'd like to see a massive boost to the faith poweers to be actually miraculous, as it is now is...underwhelming to put it nicely.

I could see the getting unlimited faith powers, or perhaps automatically passing tests.

Yeah i see the point on not liking free stuff being added. I myself dislike it immensely but now its a thing. The enormous difference this makes for a Space Marine force over an Adepta Sororitas force cannot even be put into words. It's such an unfair matchup to put a Battle company against that it's... I dunno. It tests ones ability as a General. Its especially messed up when its Space Wolves who have just become a bit much.

The Acts of Faith thing would be interesting. One difference for sure should be that they could do the powers o nthe enemies turn or just at any time they are in need. That would make a bigger difference than you'd think.

Their "preferred Enemy" prayer for example is only on their turn and so it substantially reduces its usefulness, as they are not often the ones charging for example.

So there are some things they can do on Faith to strengthen them. I should have added that to the list of possibilities.

I wonder what kind of coolness they could give to a Formation of Angels. That would be easy to imagine them doing. Three units of them with Celesting forming a Wing of Angels that gets... the ability to Fire and then spread out? That would help a lot. Perhaps the members of the Formation could have a 6" bubble of Fearless that comes from them like a Halo.

Another one I might imagine is a Formation of three Exorcists which can choose to fire Four missiles instead of rolling and gain the Melta Special Rule. That would be bad ass.

SoBs could have had a really interesting mechanic with Faith and could play differently from Space Marines by having unique relics like the AdMechs, while also having army-wide Zealot.

As for reworking Acts of Faith, it should be something more like a cross between the Blood Tithes and Power from Pain, where it grants you a number of points per turn, which scales with turns and the number of squads you have, and you can spend them on acts. It would have to be balanced out though so you can't spam MSUs to get more points than you should before the correct turn (getting points per model would solve this, as well as making Acts of Faith costing a lot of points).

I've been a fan of each unit's AOF being like the imperial guards orders in a way. Each unit rolls leadership at the start of X phase or player turn to see if they keep their faith going, but once that unit fails it it can't roll again unless something else gives the unit another chance.

I've never been a big fan of the AOF points game because that normally required a sisters player almost forced to take X amount of certain units, loosely like the old necrons phase out rule.

Guaranteed if gw brought out some kind of formation, its involve units no one in their right mind uses. Looking at you repentia and penitent engines. (Unless crons, always penitent engines against crons)

Repentia Sisters? Well... I dunno if i lump them in. Initiative is a BIG issue for Penitent Engines though. Not a death knell... but its not good. I have had three and rarely used them. Its sad.

They suffer from being walkers, and ones that need to get into assault.

I suspect we'll see more sensible changes to their rules (especially for vehicles) when the plastic releases and codex comes around.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
They suffer from being walkers, and ones that need to get into assault.

Space Marine Dreadnoughts (Lascannon plus Fist) are the new black though. Units of two can wreck just about anything they want to and play great as denial. The Penitent Engines old fluff was as tomb guardians, so kinda the same idea. But that Init 3 is just... It makes any other dread it wants to fight a foregone loss for the Penitent Engines. They have got to compensate for that somehow. i mean at least allow them to have grenades or something, I dunno.

Make them monstrous creatures? That'd solve a lot of problems I feel. Oh, give em FNP seeing as they're so hopped up on drugs and stims and all the other psychedelic fun stuff they suffer in those machines.
Heck if a dreadknight can do it, why not a pengine?

Penetint Engines as MC's would suit me fine.

I think changing the PE to the MC type would be a huge help for the unit, but it would also need a save of some sort aside from the 6+ invuln.

Back to the original question though, I'd rather see a few smaller formations and a special FOC that follows our own theme. If we're simply forced into a Battle Company or War Convocation I think that would feel worse than getting another digital-only release.

We need new models, that's a given.

We need a LoW, and Celestine would be a perfect one if she was given EW and maybe a couple other small buffs, such as her resurrection being available anytime she's dead, not just the first time.

I'd like to see another generic HQ choice. Maybe buff the Canoness a bit, increase the cost to match, and bring in the Palatine as a cheaper version. Like how Space Wolves have the Wolf Lord and the Wolf Guard Battle Leader.

We could use some bikes and a flyer, even just one. I could see Dominions on bikes being very powerful, but making assault squads from Celestians on bikes would be fun too, though that doesn't quite fit our army theme.

Celestians need a big change but I'm not sure what kind. They could become our version of Wolf Guard (I play against Wolves a lot) but I don't want to just copy another army for everything.

Repentia are just sad. I actually think if the cost was lowered per model and the squad size went up, then move them to Troops (or make the Mistress an HQ that does that for them) you'd be able to make a really fun themed army. An assault vehicle would really help them but honestly you could just give them a special rule where as long as the unit is comprised only of models with X rule, any vehicle becomes an assault vehicle when they disembark. Give X rule only to Repentia and the Mistress and it wouldn't be terribly powerful, but makes them usable. Their SoF could be adjusted too, make it a 5+ or something.

Our AoF system does need some work but in not sure which direction that needs to go. I see some good from all the suggestions that are usually brought up, but I don't want the system to get too complicated or powerful. I like having to work for my victories.

I know this was long but I honestly think our army doesn't need a complete overhaul, just minor tweaks on certain units and the addition of one or two new ones. Only a couple units actually need a complete makeover, such as Celestians.

Thorned_Lily wrote:
I think changing the PE to the MC type would be a huge help for the unit, but it would also need a save of some sort aside from the 6+ invuln.

Back to the original question though, I'd rather see a few smaller formations and a special FOC that follows our own theme. If we're simply forced into a Battle Company or War Convocation I think that would feel worse than getting another digital-only release.

We need new models, that's a given.

We need a LoW, and Celestine would be a perfect one if she was given EW and maybe a couple other small buffs, such as her resurrection being available anytime she's dead, not just the first time.

I'd like to see another generic HQ choice. Maybe buff the Canoness a bit, increase the cost to match, and bring in the Palatine as a cheaper version. Like how Space Wolves have the Wolf Lord and the Wolf Guard Battle Leader.

We could use some bikes and a flyer, even just one. I could see Dominions on bikes being very powerful, but making assault squads from Celestians on bikes would be fun too, though that doesn't quite fit our army theme.

Celestians need a big change but I'm not sure what kind. They could become our version of Wolf Guard (I play against Wolves a lot) but I don't want to just copy another army for everything.

Repentia are just sad. I actually think if the cost was lowered per model and the squad size went up, then move them to Troops (or make the Mistress an HQ that does that for them) you'd be able to make a really fun themed army. An assault vehicle would really help them but honestly you could just give them a special rule where as long as the unit is comprised only of models with X rule, any vehicle becomes an assault vehicle when they disembark. Give X rule only to Repentia and the Mistress and it wouldn't be terribly powerful, but makes them usable. Their SoF could be adjusted too, make it a 5+ or something.

Our AoF system does need some work but in not sure which direction that needs to go. I see some good from all the suggestions that are usually brought up, but I don't want the system to get too complicated or powerful. I like having to work for my victories.

I know this was long but I honestly think our army doesn't need a complete overhaul, just minor tweaks on certain units and the addition of one or two new ones. Only a couple units actually need a complete makeover, such as Celestians.

I doubt seriously that we would get nor need bikes. Celestians should just be a troops choice. No more trying to make them an elite. its just silly. Make them troops and it would be a pretty decent option.

We used to have another generic HQ: Palatine. and Inquisitiors! No idea why they changed all that. It was dumb. To be fair the Palatine wasn't any good but instead of fixing him, they dumped him. The Canoness is good enough as long as she doesnt have the stupid restriction on Relics.

I havent hated any of the Actso f Faith systems and Im not a fan of change for changes sake. But the Acts of Faith are such a part of the Codex that I think they have to shake it loose a little bit. Just being able to do it oin the enemies turns and little things like that would go a long way. Or make them last for a full round. I dunno. I just dont want another system just because. I want it to be APPRECIABLY better to help us compete with the newest codex's we've seen.


I like Repentia Sisters. I'm really not getting why people hate them. The number of attacks when charging would be good for any unit but their STR 6 Chainfists on top of that volume is quite notable. they go last and so you of course need to lead them with a character, but you're likely doing thatr anyways (plus the one they come with) so I mean, in 7-8 Sister units, they are small enough that they should be able to take out a hard to kill target before they die and soak enough resources to be worth it. Against armored corps, you're sitting pretty. They can truck up behind the Rhinos on their way in and then unleash on a couple rhinos or whatever is sparky enough to come at you.

They are not going to win "unit of the year" awards, but given that Sisters of Battle are going second QUITE often anyways, would you rather be going second on T3, or on T6 Chainfist? Just saying. The armor is the issue most people don't like but with a character and their built in one, you might live to profit from their inclusion. I have even placed Celestine in the unit right before it's time to party.

I agree that Celestians as troops would be fun, but really they don't seem to fill any role we lack. They're just regular sisters with an additional attack and higher LD in smaller (max-sized) squads.

I'm not saying we need bikes, but they wouldn't hurt. I'm not going to be sad when we don't get them, though.

I actually like the Canoness, I just want to see a few more options across the board.

My biggest complaint with Repentia isn't the lack of armor (though I will say I'd like to see something change here, even the SoF boost I mentioned), but the lack of delivery system. You're stuck running across the field or driving across then sitting (hopefully in cover) still because you can't charge. Sure that can be fixed with allies but I like armies without allies and getting a land raider for them makes for a very expensive investment for something that's very likely to die after killing one unit. That said, I regularly use both Repentia and Penitent Engines in my larger lists, and generally do acceptably well with both units.

I'm not saying the current AoF system is necessarily bad, but it could use an update. That could definitely be what brings our army into the 7.5 edition, if done properly. I'm just not sure how.

How about a Sisters of Battle specific Assault vehicle?

WHUUUUUUUUUUt. But yes!

Honestly that would solve more than half the problems with Repentia. I would absolutely love that.

well what if it was a combo kit? Perhaps a modified Rhino with a Land Raider door assembly in the front. Maybe it only fits like 8 non-bulky figs at a time or something, and is designed pretty specifically to deliver the assaulty units of the Sisters?

Such a vehicle could become popular enough that people start allying Sisters in just to get access.

Perhaps it would be a gift from the Adeptus Mechanicus in exchangefor (fill in the blank fluff we add to show them saving some kind of important machinery becasue Gawd knows it wouldnt be for saving any of their people cause they just dont care about people).

Would you pay 110 points for one? I probably would. Rhino Armor but assault? Sure.

I don't want inquisition back in the sisters book. Though the book needs a bit of work, decoupling an Inquisitor and warbands from any other tax units is something I've waited years for.

WHAT? Inquisition should absolutely be a part of the church. Its silly that its not!

I fail to see why, as a back ground they are not the same organization, they have separate leadership and structures. Sisters may be the chamber militant of one branch of the inquisition but they are a separate faction. They should be able to ally together of course, but I don't want to be forced to take ecclesiarchy unit's in an inquisitor army.

I'd like to see:

Some more actaul Sisters characters - there are several candidates in Shield of Baal.
Flyer - Valykrie or similar. They have their own starships so air transport is not unlikely
Drop pods - in the older fluff, bring it back - GW likes older stuff rediscovered
Superheavy - friends wife has a awesome Baneblade conversion
Novices
Female priests
Assault vehicle

I'd quite like something to represent who sorts out the repair and maintance of their vehicles etc

Side note: what gun would we strap on an assault vehicle if they did this? i suppose we could make it a fast vehicle at 110 points. Raiders are 80 and open topped. Same as an immolator?


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HoundsofDemos wrote:
I fail to see why, as a back ground they are not the same organization, they have separate leadership and structures. Sisters may be the chamber militant of one branch of the inquisition but they are a separate faction. They should be able to ally together of course, but I don't want to be forced to take ecclesiarchy unit's in an inquisitor army.

You werent "forced" to before. So nothing changes other than the stupid fluff separation.

Under the fifth edition greyknights yes I was. The only way to fill a proper force org was to use a special character. Even in the old paper sisters codex, to take an inquisitor as a stand alone you still needed to take units of storm troopers aka a tax unit. I'm not sure how they were before that but you could not take a lone inquisitor as an ally.

Only under the most recent codex can I take a lone inquisitor and if i choose a few war bands and transports.

No. Witch Hunters did not require an inquisitor. At all.

Eh? You never needed to take Inq. Stormtroopers to take an Inquisitor in the Witch Hunter book - you could take an Elites slot Inquisitor on his own with no warband or any other taxes.

Also, Jancoran - you realise that you can use the BSS' Preferred Enemy AoF in the shooting phase, right?

As for what I'd add, formation wise... to put the army on par with the Free Stuff formations?

Shared Acts of Faith - the entire detachment permanently has all Acts of Faith active if that Act of Faith is provided by a unit in the formation. So as long as there is at least one Dominion model in the detachment, all models have Ignores Cover. As long as there's at least one Seraphim in the detachment, all models have Shred. Etc.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Eh? You never needed to take Inq. Stormtroopers to take an Inquisitor in the Witch Hunter book - you could take an Elites slot Inquisitor on his own with no warband or any other taxes.

Also, Jancoran - you realise that you can use the BSS' Preferred Enemy AoF in the shooting phase, right?

As for what I'd add, formation wise... to put the army on par with the Free Stuff formations?

Shared Acts of Faith - the entire detachment permanently has all Acts of Faith active if that Act of Faith is provided by a unit in the formation. So as long as there is at least one Dominion model in the detachment, all models have Ignores Cover. As long as there's at least one Seraphim in the detachment, all models have Shred. Etc.

yes. I know you can. Did I say something that made you think otherwise? if so, disregard that snippet or whatever it was. Lol.

I think army-wide ignores cover while the Dominion are alive would be kinda crazy. I like that you can have access to Ignores Cover here and there but overall, I think its too prolific and certain armies suffer terribly if they have tyo run a tournament gauntlet of THREE armies that have copious access. I want the Sisters to compete, not piss people off. Lol.