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GW is a corporation.

Corporations care about one thing, and one thing only: profit.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that marines are going the way of the dodo with the advent of nu-marines.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott them.

Get everyone you know to boycott them.

Make attempting to sell the fluff abomination which is nu-marines a fiscally painful experience for GW.

To be clear, this is very much unlike my previous "Boycott Magnus" thread.

That was all about balance.

This is about the fact that nu-marines are an existential threat to vintage marines.

You want GW to keep supporting vintage marines?

Then show them, with your wallets, that you refuse to allow them to be replaced.

No.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

I won't be buying them, but that's just because I am focusing on harlequins and Corsairs for the foreseeable future.

I would never tell people they shouldn't buy a model they like...

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

Sure! Especially if they get some of these nu-marines in the older armors for better modeling. If not then there's still forgeworld HH models.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I won't be buying them, but that's just because I am focusing on harlequins and Corsairs for the foreseeable future.

I would never tell people they shouldn't buy a model they like...

What army do you play?

For the purposes of the argument, let's suppose that you play Harlequins and Corsaires.

Let's suppose that GW came out with a new faction, or else, a new line of models: Nu-Harlequins and Nu-Corsaires.

And judging by all previous experience, the release of this model means that vintage harlequins and vintage corsaires would cease to be updated both in terms of their model line and in terms of their rules.

Would you buy the nu-harlequins and corsaires?

Would you want other people to do so?

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens. We finally got true scale marines made by GW, meaning no more need for conversions, larger painting surfaces, and far better proportions. This huge backlash against them is now just getting ridiculous, and even I have to call BS on the rampant hysteria. We get our cake and get to eat it too, yet because apparently the fan base can never be happy, they have to throw the cake in the trash. This is no different from how beakies were phased out or any other major change to the model line.



At this point yall are just looking for an excuse to be angry. My only grief with Primaris marines would have been if it was more Ultra-spank forced upon us, but as evidently they are still made from the material of their respective Primarchs, I couldn't care less. All I hope is that old marine torsos can be mounted on the new legs.

Wyzilla wrote:I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens.

Will it really be so simple?

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into question. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

You don't think that people are going to give you funny looks when you use models that are substantially smaller than the "official" counterparts?

Especially when it comes to LoS and cover concerns?

And finally, how do you even know if it will be that simple? Perhaps numarines will have very different weapons load-outs compared to vintage marines.

All in all, this could amount to vintage marines being actually, and not just nominally, squatted.

Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

Sure! Especially if they get some of these nu-marines in the older armors for better modeling. If not then there's still forgeworld HH models.

You play Tzeentch daemons, right?

How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?


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 HANZERtank wrote:
Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

You don't like Primaris. Fine.
They are coming, like it or not, but get over it.

I only play Marine armies in 40k and welcome GW's try at true-scaling Marines, even if I would've liked it better if they just did it instead of inventing a new breed of Marines.

Regarding Tzeentch, they just replaced the old and small Keeper of Secrets with a huge plastic version. Where were you then?

 Traditio wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens.

Will it really be so simple?

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into rules disputes. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

You don't think that people are going to give you funny looks when you use models that are substantially smaller than the "official" counterparts?

Especially when it comes to LoS and cover concerns?

And finally, how do you even know if it will be that simple? Perhaps numarines will have very different weapons load-outs compared to vintage marines.

All in all, this could amount to vintage marines being actually, and not just nominally, squatted.

A game is a negotiation, if somebody is going to be a then you simply don't bother playing such arses, and encourage other people to follow suit until said person learns better.

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

Sure! Especially if they get some of these nu-marines in the older armors for better modeling. If not then there's still forgeworld HH models.

You play Tzeentch daemons, right?

How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?


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 HANZERtank wrote:
Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

Lol, Age of Sigmar was the total annihilation of lines like Bretonnia with no replacement. Space Marines are being replaced by bigger Marines. There is no squatting, there is a coming change in the model line as everything is updated for the modern era.

Traditio wrote:
How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

Yes, please! They need new models, the current Cadians are fugly!

 Traditio wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
No.

Do you want vintage marines to go the path of bretons and tomb kings?

You mean tiny rogue trader beakies who went out when 2nd edition arrived?

Nah, they look wicked. I'm going to get loads of them.

Wyzilla wrote:A game is a negotiation, if somebody is going to be a then you simply don't bother playing such arses, and encourage other people to follow suit until said person learns better.

Most people are .

Did you read the thread about using paper miniatures?

You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

There's an easy way to avoid this.

BOYCOTT NU-MARINES!

I'm gonna sink tons of cash into them.

Boy this is dumb. In several ways.

 Traditio wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:A game is a negotiation, if somebody is going to be a then you simply don't bother playing such arses, and encourage other people to follow suit until said person learns better.

Most people are .

Did you read the thread about using paper miniatures?

You don't think that, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, people are going to think of your vintage marine army in exactly the same way as most 40k players would think of a paper miniature army?

No? Because there is a total difference between some gaky looking paper models that look like utter garbage and respectably painted plastic miniatures no different from somebody fielding Rogue Trader marines. If anything they'll be a novelty item and people will make comments about their age and your grey hairs. If a person is a rules lawyering WAAC, there is no point in bothering with them. If your entire local scene is filled with such types, then there's no point of even buying into 40k in the first place as you'll be perpetually miserable.

 Traditio wrote:


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 HANZERtank wrote:
Ahh yes, boycott and financially destabilise the company where you get the game you play from. Then find a reason to hate them based on them not doing new stuff because new stuff seems to be financially unviable?

How would you feel about nu-Inquisition or nu-guard?

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

Well if we get nu-guard and nu-marines are vintage marines plus 1, then wouldn't i just have a vintage marine army labelled as guard. Which would be incredibly cheap because i could just buy all the second hand vintage marines and proxy them as they are still gw products.

 Traditio wrote:

Wyzilla wrote:I've got a good question?

Why should we give a damn? Just point at your old marines and say they're Primaris when the change inevitably happens.

Will it really be so simple?

I've played games where the size of my model bases were brought into question. Because, apparently, 25 mm. vs. 32 mm. is a big deal.

You don't think that people are going to give you funny looks when you use models that are substantially smaller than the "official" counterparts?

Especially when it comes to LoS and cover concerns?

And finally, how do you even know if it will be that simple? Perhaps numarines will have very different weapons load-outs compared to vintage marines.

All in all, this could amount to vintage marines being actually, and not just nominally, squatted.

The thing is, none of your problems there have anything to do with Games Workshop. Instead of tilting at Primaris windmills, you should get better friends. There are hundreds of people all over the world who manage to play 40k perfectly amiably using thirty-year-old Marines which are shoulder-height to the current ones, on round, square or hexagonal bases, and the rules work as well as they do with the newest miniatures.

 Traditio wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
I won't be buying them, but that's just because I am focusing on harlequins and Corsairs for the foreseeable future.

I would never tell people they shouldn't buy a model they like...

What army do you play?

For the purposes of the argument, let's suppose that you play Harlequins and Corsaires.

Let's suppose that GW came out with a new faction, or else, a new line of models: Nu-Harlequins and Nu-Corsaires.

And judging by all previous experience, the release of this model means that vintage harlequins and vintage corsaires would cease to be updated both in terms of their model line and in terms of their rules.

Would you buy the nu-harlequins and corsaires?

Would you want other people to do so?

I'm a Space Marine player and I have zero issue with Primaris Marines. There's no evidence or reason why they shouldn't update the existing Space Marine lines.

worst troll thread ever.

 Traditio wrote:


How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?

That's happened ... three times now, and daemon players seem to have managed.

You're only nay-saying in this thread, I imagine, because you think that your army or armies are safe.

They're not.

Look at Age of Sigmar.

The game where my army consisting entirely of 24-year-old miniatures is still perfectly legal? No-one who had an army collected during or before 8th edition Warhammer is in a position where they can't use their models.

On one hand, I love how all of Traditio's threads of pure are so wonderfully named, like that time he claimed people who like SWA are objectively wrong.

On the other hand, GW finally put out marine models that don't look extremely silly or dumb. Like have you seen the pauldrons on standard Marines? Jeesh.

On the other, other hand, it's not that old marines are in trouble that I care about, it's that power armor lines and sometimes Eldar are the only ones getting new kits. Like talk about forcing the least interesting armies down our throats. Guard and every other xenos faction need some love.

You play Tzeentch daemons, right?

How would you feel about nu-tzeentch daemons?

..Not sure where I gave that impression. I play CSM/CD with a Slaanesh focus with a few small armies to the side.

But I'll be honest, they can give nu-Daemonette's if they promise not to make anymore farming equipment chariots for them.

Not this again...

Primaris Marines won't get rid of regular Marines. Why is everyone panicking over such a moronic idea, in lore, hobby and marketing?

Traditio is a troll.

Trolls care about one thing, and one thing only: lulz.

There is, I think, a not-unwarranted fear that trolls are going to ruin your fun.

There is a very clear way to avoid this:

Boycott Traditio.

Get everyone you know to boycott Traditio.

Play sisters. I bottle your tears. Mwahaha

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