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I see a fair amount of post in here asking questions or speculating about 10th edition which at the minute is imaginary. Sure there will be another edition one day, maybe next year or maybe in 5 years. But we have what we have now and it doesn’t feel like we’ve had it that long considering the latest codexes are very new.

So why give the unknown so much attention?

8th edition was announced 22nd april 1917, 9th was announced 23rd may 2020, and now warhammer fest is happening 29th april 2023. Do you see a pattern ?

mrFickle wrote:
I see a fair amount of post in here asking questions or speculating about 10th edition which at the minute is imaginary. Sure there will be another edition one day, maybe next year or maybe in 5 years. But we have what we have now and it doesn’t feel like we’ve had it that long considering the latest codexes are very new.

So why give the unknown so much attention?

A couple reasons-

1. once again GW has turned an edition into a hot mess. they did it with formations in 7th then 8.5 and now 9th. some players want a complete reset to start fresh
2. there is a desire in the gaming community for the "new thing" most war games have had many editions that have made slight or large changes to keep attracting new players as well as giving old players something to buy. there are exceptions like classic battletech that basically has had the same rule set for 30+ years but even there they introduced alpha strike as a completely different and alternate rule set.

Sometimes sadly because of the need to drive sales they throw good things by the wayside. most veteran players have an edition they like best. for WHFBs the most often i have heard is either 6th or 8th, for 40K it tends to be the divide between 2nd, a combination of 3rd-5th and then 8th+. FOW are on what edition number 4 now? infinity is on N4 and i think it is nowhere near as good as N2 rules wise.

You don’t think the new boarding actions stuff is essentially going to be edition 9.5? Seems like a lot of new stuff is going to be introduced just before a new edition

mrFickle wrote:
You don’t think the new boarding actions stuff is essentially going to be edition 9.5? Seems like a lot of new stuff is going to be introduced just before a new edition

A lot of people expected 8.1 Ed after the Psychic Awakening stuff but GW evidently don't want to do incremental adjustments with 40k. They just want to do whole new editions and make people buy more and more books.

I think a fair amount is people hoping for something which fixes the current mess. No indication they will get it though.

I'm just hoping for a big box of cool minis

mrFickle wrote:
Seems like a lot of new stuff is going to be introduced just before a new edition

Yes, that is by design, to rinse people.

I agree. Arks of Omen *is* a funny way of spelling Psychic Awakening.

Tyranids!

Word around the campfire is that the insatiable bugs are going to be the big baddies of 10th edition. Necrons are cool but Tyranids are the bee's knees.

New editions at this stage isn't a brand new game, it's just refinements of the existing game (small tweaks). Great way to push the narrative and set the tone for the next few years. 9th core rules, fundamentally, isn't very different from 8th.

I don't expect anything which is going to fix balance/imbalance in the game. But, will probably shake the meta up one way or another.

Just looking forward to what the next Indomitus/dominion box will be.

I think just timing wise they are due for a new edition soon as it follows their typical schedule. The rumors I don't believe are a "full reset" edition. My guess is we are going to essentially see an edition which at its core is a small update. I just think if they were really doing a hard reset they would have held off world eaters for the new edition. Its not like it would have been a core rulebook going without an update

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I agree. Arks of Omen *is* a funny way of spelling Psychic Awakening.

Wich in turn was a funny way to spell "Filler Material".

We are still missing a few Codexes, a lot of Space Marine supplements, filler campaign books and the obligatory Space Marines 2.0 codex, so I don't believe we are getting 10th in 2023, at least not earlier than Fall.

With the intervals of recent editions I think a new edition next summer is very likely. The only edition that has been rumored to be delayed so far is AoS 4.0, but that remains to be seen.

Regarding why? New editions make money and big edition boxes are good way to boost profits. Probably reason why we have the three year cadence going on with the edition(three years for 40k, three years for AoS, and then three years for whatever specialist game is big enough). It probably raises sales during a summer season that is probably not big on sales otherwise*.

Also, people enjoy new stuff and shaking things up can be fun, albeit a bit exhausting with the frequent releases.

* I work in live game development and summer is always our down season.


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 Tyran wrote:
We are still missing a few Codexes, a lot of Space Marine supplements, filler campaign books and the obligatory Space Marines 2.0 codex, so I don't believe we are getting 10th in 2023, at least not earlier than Fall.

A new edition is always a mid summer release. There hasn't been an exception to that for a long time now.

The codices we are missing are Votann, IG, and World Eaters. If 10th comes out next July then we have a 9 month release window for 3 books - 4 if we get a new Space Marine codex. Supplements are such low hanging fruits that they can easily be extra releases here and there. Also, we've only had one edition in recent memory that got two SM codexes(8th) so I wouldn't count on that to remain a pattern although I wouldn't rule it out.

In the last reveals they already revealed the new campaign series and it appears to be a much more limited series than Psychic Awakening. The impression that I got is that PA was just too many books and probably not enough sales to warrant doing the same all over again. I am at least not going to buy 9-10 campaign books over a span of 5 months that then get thrown in the garbage after less than a year.

So if we take into account that all this material can easily be pushed out in the next 9 months I highly doubt we're going to see 12 months of non-release for 40k until the summer of 2024 for the next edition.

 Eldarsif wrote:
With the intervals of recent editions I think a new edition next summer is very likely. The only edition that has been rumored to be delayed so far is AoS 4.0, but that remains to be seen.

Regarding why? New editions make money and big edition boxes are good way to boost profits. Probably reason why we have the three year cadence going on with the edition(three years for 40k, three years for AoS, and then three years for whatever specialist game is big enough). It probably raises sales during a summer season that is probably not big on sales otherwise*.

Also, people enjoy new stuff and shaking things up can be fun, albeit a bit exhausting with the frequent releases.

* I work in live game development and summer is always our down season.


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 Tyran wrote:
We are still missing a few Codexes, a lot of Space Marine supplements, filler campaign books and the obligatory Space Marines 2.0 codex, so I don't believe we are getting 10th in 2023, at least not earlier than Fall.

A new edition is always a mid summer release. There hasn't been an exception to that for a long time now.

The codices we are missing are Votann, IG, and World Eaters. If 10th comes out next July then we have a 9 month release window for 3 books - 4 if we get a new Space Marine codex. Supplements are such low hanging fruits that they can easily be extra releases here and there. Also, we've only had one edition in recent memory that got two SM codexes(8th) so I wouldn't count on that to remain a pattern although I wouldn't rule it out.

In the last reveals they already revealed the new campaign series and it appears to be a much more limited series than Psychic Awakening. The impression that I got is that PA was just too many books and probably not enough sales to warrant doing the same all over again. I am at least not going to buy 9-10 campaign books over a span of 5 months that then get thrown in the garbage after less than a year.

So if we take into account that all this material can easily be pushed out in the next 9 months I highly doubt we're going to see 12 months of non-release for 40k until the summer of 2024 for the next edition.

AOS 4 been delayed? AOS3 is only just out so there's hardly time for rumours for even delay. Even with GW's lead times likely just started working for AOS 4.

I can imagine, that if I were to be a marine player, and not have a great time, then with the full knowladge that each new edition means a rules rewrite for marines, then the idea of a 10th ed soon, wouldn't be a very adverse one.

On top of that there is suppose to be something big anounced in april 2023. Why not a new edition?

I'm not sure, aside from lackluster greed, what the rush is.

Editions used to have 5-6 years between drops. I remember the move from 6th to 7th was widely derided at the time as leaving 6th too early and making it an exceptionally short edition. Given the newer "seasonal" model they seem to be adopting, dropping a new edition this quickly seems rushed. Though, given how quickly they built up the bloat from 8th I can see the appeal. If 10th arrived with the intention of having a longer edition filled with yearly warzones/campaigns built around specific factions and seeing resculpts and new releases alongside those yearly campaigns, then that seems like a much better business model to me, sustainable and always bringing something fresh to the table.

My problem with rushing out these editions is the obvious lack of care given to other aspects of the business such as CODEX BALANCE and STICKING WITH A SINGLE DESIGN PHILOSOPHY through an entire edition. Which are aspects GW could certainly use some time to refine...

 purplkrush wrote:
I'm not sure, aside from lackluster greed, what the rush is.

Because the whales ain't gonna gouge themselves, my boy!

 p5freak wrote:
8th edition was announced 22nd april 1917, 9th was announced 23rd may 2020, and now warhammer fest is happening 29th april 2023. Do you see a pattern ?

1917 dear lord. What pattern could there be with that sort of gap in time.

In all seriousness wake me up when they have a wider dispersion of stats and move to a d10-12

D10 and adding a zero to all current points costs would do wonders....

I hear d10 and I just think that's 4 more numbers for GW to screw up with. If there is a serious, sustained nailing down of game systems using d6s I could see d10s being a decent move. Ultimately don't see it happening, for reasons more real world than game mechanics.

If 10th is a full reset, I wonder if it will be closer to the new Horus Heresy Ruleset - which is honesty pretty solid.

mrFickle wrote:
You don’t think the new boarding actions stuff is essentially going to be edition 9.5? Seems like a lot of new stuff is going to be introduced just before a new edition

Nope. Boarding actions is going to be like Cities of Death and all the other supplements that come out, get dropped and vanish utterly within 6 months.
End-of-edition experimental splatbooks aren't particularly noteworthy in the industry.

 purplkrush wrote:
I'm not sure, aside from lackluster greed, what the rush is.

In theory a new edition could get rid of the rules bloat, fix IGOUGO, and add meaningful gameplay depth beyond "identify the best unit and take lots of copies of it". Unfortunately this is GW we're talking about so it will be more shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic to invalidate all previous content and make you buy it again. And that's the real reason 10th is inevitable, every army has a new codex so GW needs a new edition to justify selling everyone a new copy of the books they just bought.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I hear d10 and I just think that's 4 more numbers for GW to screw up with. If there is a serious, sustained nailing down of game systems using d6s I could see d10s being a decent move. Ultimately don't see it happening, for reasons more real world than game mechanics.

"My guys are supposed to be good at X so they should still only need to hit on a 4+ at worst. I don't care that its a d10 now, they're meant to be skilled soldiers and at least as good as a marine" - logical outcome of adding more values, just more for people to want to ignore.

Dudeface wrote:
"My guys are supposed to be good at X so they should still only need to hit on a 4+ at worst. I don't care that its a d10 now, they're meant to be skilled soldiers and at least as good as a marine" - logical outcome of adding more values, just more for people to want to ignore.

That's a valid point. We could probably get most of the benefits of a D10 system if we just acknowledged that marines aren't as good as the fanboys think and made them BS/WS 4+ like they should be, leaving room for elite units to get better stats without needing a bunch of rules bloat to add re-rolls and modifiers.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
"My guys are supposed to be good at X so they should still only need to hit on a 4+ at worst. I don't care that its a d10 now, they're meant to be skilled soldiers and at least as good as a marine" - logical outcome of adding more values, just more for people to want to ignore.

That's a valid point. We could probably get most of the benefits of a D10 system if we just acknowledged that marines aren't as good as the fanboys think and made them BS/WS 4+ like they should be, leaving room for elite units to get better stats without needing a bunch of rules bloat to add re-rolls and modifiers.

You'd still have everyone arguing that results 6-10 are worthless. The best case outcome is the absolute slew of 3+ units get split across 3+ and 4+ for the extra tiny variance.

Dudeface wrote:
You'd still have everyone arguing that results 6-10 are worthless. The best case outcome is the absolute slew of 3+ units get split across 3+ and 4+ for the extra tiny variance.

I mean BS/WS 4+ on the current D6 system.

Aecus Decimus wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
You'd still have everyone arguing that results 6-10 are worthless. The best case outcome is the absolute slew of 3+ units get split across 3+ and 4+ for the extra tiny variance.

I mean BS/WS 4+ on the current D6 system.

I'm fine with that if guard etc also all take a knock down one to make the space. Bear in mind contemporary ork players are currently asking for base bs 4+.