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That would also be good, but I really like how the game changes when you respond to each units moves and actions with your own.

But I would be fine with either. IGOUGO is not terrible or anything, but IGOUGO combined with the ability for a double turn is really really poor game design.

I am really flabbergasted that professional, full time game designers do not think so!

 Hulksmash wrote:
I love turn priority. But then I've yet to lose when my opponent gets it so my bias is probably showing.

I voted to keep turn priority, take away single drop battalions, and change how going first is determined.

Interested to see where this takes us

Basically where I am at. Single drops are pretty silly when there is such a disparity in the usefulness and availability of battalions.

I disliked the Priority Roll for some time, but I've grown to like it and now I can't imagine AoS without it.

Radio Free Hammerhal had a good video from the pro-Priority Roll side, for those that want to check it out.

My preference is alternate activation. Either by phase or by unit.

As you can see by the thread, there are lots of people that love double turn. In my opinion I doubt they will be getting rid of it. This is one of those times I can say fortunately (for me) the people around me also hate it so we house ruled it out.

I still can't get over how all soldiers in 40k can suddenly shoot twice as fast if they get charged. It should be -2 to hit but eats your next shooting phase for that unit.

Are Free Peoples just human factions? I was reading the 2018 corebook and it says that Free Peoples covers a lot of different races. But yet, people keep referencing them as a human faction.

B.c it is the Human faction, even if other races join them, they are primarily humans. Thats the point of them, the human army.

Even the Faction focus for them states they are great for playing the Human faction.

I though Free peoples are all kinds of races banding together, but Free Guild is essentially the human military wing of a city/town.

It's like the Federation in Star Trek - its made up of loads of different cultures and races, but its mostly humans.

"Free Peoples" refers to humans, "Free Cities" to the multiple races banded together. "Freeguild" on the other hand is the bulk of Empire stuff. The rest is cut or scattered around; Ironweld has the artillery, while Collegite Arcane has the mages and Devoted have the warrior priests & flagellents.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
"Free Peoples" refers to humans, "Free Cities" to the multiple races banded together. "Freeguild" on the other hand is the bulk of Empire stuff. The rest is cut or scattered around; Ironweld has the artillery, while Collegite Arcane has the mages and Devoted have the warrior priests & flagellents.

Per the Core Book:

Age of Sigmar Core Book pg 140 wrote:
The Free Peoples
Where Sigmar and his allies have struck hardest, the lands have been claimed in the name of Order and progress. Generations have gone by since the first Stormcast Eternals descended from the Tempest, and an alliance of humanity, aelves, and duardin has thrived, united in the face of their common enemy.

It then goes on to list all the Aelf, Duardin, and human 'legacy' factions.

It is really weird because the Free Peoples in fluff seems to refer to Duardin, Aelves, and humans while the listing in the AoS app is strictly Freeguild stuff. If I had to guess? It's a holdover from the launch of AoS where Free Peoples did refer just to the humans.

That is what I was talking about. I think we need to stop referring the Free Peoples as just a human thing, but people don't care.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
"Free Peoples" refers to humans, "Free Cities" to the multiple races banded together. "Freeguild" on the other hand is the bulk of Empire stuff. The rest is cut or scattered around; Ironweld has the artillery, while Collegite Arcane has the mages and Devoted have the warrior priests & flagellents.

Per the Core Book:

Age of Sigmar Core Book pg 140 wrote:
The Free Peoples
Where Sigmar and his allies have struck hardest, the lands have been claimed in the name of Order and progress. Generations have gone by since the first Stormcast Eternals descended from the Tempest, and an alliance of humanity, aelves, and duardin has thrived, united in the face of their common enemy.

It then goes on to list all the Aelf, Duardin, and human 'legacy' factions.

It is really weird because the Free Peoples in fluff seems to refer to Duardin, Aelves, and humans while the listing in the AoS app is strictly Freeguild stuff. If I had to guess? It's a holdover from the launch of AoS where Free Peoples did refer just to the humans.

There is ambiguity, I'm going off the GW website where free peoples is the human stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's just for ease of access like they did with the "Aelves" listing.

Anyone noticed that Slaanesh faction focus art and saw good ol' fashioned Greenskinz in the background? Here's hoping for a Greenskinz battle tombe.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if that's just for ease of access like they did with the "Aelves" listing.

Yeah I could be totally off.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if that's just for ease of access like they did with the "Aelves" listing.

Yeah I could be totally off.

Like Nova_Impero was saying, it seems as though the intention is that lorewise Free Peoples equates to all of the races that inhabit the Free Cities...but GW has just placed them as humanity for the sake of not having 88 entries(44 from all the Aelves, 10 Dispossessed, and 34 from what is Ironweld, Freeguild, and Devoted of Sigmar) in one entry on the webstore.

I see it differently; I see that the intent is free cities have the mixed races and free peoples is supposed to refer to humans.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if that's just for ease of access like they did with the "Aelves" listing.

Yeah I could be totally off.

Like Nova_Impero was saying, it seems as though the intention is that lorewise Free Peoples equates to all of the races that inhabit the Free Cities...but GW has just placed them as humanity for the sake of not having 88 entries(44 from all the Aelves, 10 Dispossessed, and 34 from what is Ironweld, Freeguild, and Devoted of Sigmar) in one entry on the webstore.

I think you nail it on the head. I think the Free Peoples, maybe the Freeguild, should have units and art that show the different races in those groups. But the problem is that people want their "pure" human armies because everyone has a "pure" army. Given how Age of Sigmar is showing the different Order races fighting alongside one another, I would expect to see an army and Battletome that reflects this new cooperation than just scatter groups of different races.

 Grensche wrote:
Anyone noticed that Slaanesh faction focus art and saw good ol' fashioned Greenskinz in the background? Here's hoping for a Greenskinz battle tombe.

That would make me happy, as I own a ton of Greenskinz, but I'm guessing they've been axed. The only way I could see them doing a Greenskinz battletome is if they released a whole new line of models to replace the line that they cut, which is definitely possible but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Relatedely I just bought a Gutbusters army on a whim and I'm trying to convince myself not to go crazy buying more until we know if Gutbusters are here to stay or if they're next on the chopping block.

 Nova_Impero wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if that's just for ease of access like they did with the "Aelves" listing.

Yeah I could be totally off.

Like Nova_Impero was saying, it seems as though the intention is that lorewise Free Peoples equates to all of the races that inhabit the Free Cities...but GW has just placed them as humanity for the sake of not having 88 entries(44 from all the Aelves, 10 Dispossessed, and 34 from what is Ironweld, Freeguild, and Devoted of Sigmar) in one entry on the webstore.

I think you nail it on the head. I think the Free Peoples, maybe the Freeguild, should have units and art that show the different races in those groups. But the problem is that people want their "pure" human armies because everyone has a "pure" army. Given how Age of Sigmar is showing the different Order races fighting alongside one another, I would expect to see an army and Battletome that reflects this new cooperation than just scatter groups of different races.

Those rules do exist, just are not apparent since there is little to no hint of them if you don't already know where they are. Anyways, the Firestorm campaign supplement has rules in it for Free Cities, which use the generic Order allegiance with a little extra benefit in exchange for staying with the factions resident to that city. I want to say there are... six? There's one each for Destruction, Death, and Chaos too, though the Death one is so bad next to LoN it may as well not (just like generic Death as a whole for that matter).

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I see it differently; I see that the intent is free cities have the mixed races and free peoples is supposed to refer to humans.

I'd be inclined to agree with that if the AoS Core Book wasn't published after Firestorm.


Like I said, I think it's simply that GW is using the term Free Peoples to cover multiple things. It happened a ton over the years with stuff like Skitarii or Tech-Guard.

Hm, you do have a point.

Even now I think a lot of AoS lore is a bit in flux. Whilst GW should have, in theory, been able to craft a really iron cast lore I think the opening idea for AoS was so free form that many of the early lore points are changing and settling.

Honestly its more as if the Mythic Age almost didn't happen, then again we can possibly just blame it on instabilities within the realms following the end of the Age of Chaos and the corruption the lands experienced (and which some still experience).




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Important note - the GW UK Website has updated the Slaanesh page. New title for it (hosts removed) and they've also removed the Lord on Food, Lord on Mount and old Keeper of Secrets. It's what I expected though a day earlier than I thought they'd do it (I figured they'd do it this weekend or run the stock down on the metal models unless there was a last minute rush and they ran out last night).

The herald in resin has remained, odd that they didn't replace her with a plastic variation with this update wave.



Wrath and Rapture is still listed though - guessing that they can't just dump stock on that one. Though interestingly its not yet listed as last-chance to order.

Losing booby worm lord makes me sad. I'm glad I have him in metal in my display case. Sadly... I'll have to find alternate rules to use him with. His current rules were garbage anyway. Perhaps he can "count as" a keeper of secrets or a slaanesh demon prince.

auticus wrote:
Losing booby worm lord makes me sad. I'm glad I have him in metal in my display case. Sadly... I'll have to find alternate rules to use him with. His current rules were garbage anyway. Perhaps he can "count as" a keeper of secrets or a slaanesh demon prince.

Aye its a very iconic model and I hope if they ever return to that concept they keep it as was, if anything make the mount bigger (lord atop looks a little top heavy on it and it could do with more tail).
I got one ages ago to convert and only two days ago decided to grab a second - glad I did as I figured they'd vanish but not until Saturday.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I see it differently; I see that the intent is free cities have the mixed races and free peoples is supposed to refer to humans.

GW refers to Free Peoples as a mixture of Humans, Aelves and Dwarves containing the armies of the Free Guilds, Collegiate Arcane, Ironweld Arsenal, Dispossessed, and the various Aelf armies. Free Guilds is a human army dedicated to defending the Free Cities.

auticus wrote:
Losing booby worm lord makes me sad. I'm glad I have him in metal in my display case. Sadly... I'll have to find alternate rules to use him with. His current rules were garbage anyway. Perhaps he can "count as" a keeper of secrets or a slaanesh demon prince.

I used him as a marked StD lord on daemonic mount, works well. Actually having rend on the main weapon is a godsend.

Yeah I can see that. I guess the lord on demon mount for StD doesn't excite me when my opponents are taking adepticon lists though, but he is technically nothing more than the lord on demon mount anyway.

 EnTyme wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I see it differently; I see that the intent is free cities have the mixed races and free peoples is supposed to refer to humans.

GW refers to Free Peoples as a mixture of Humans, Aelves and Dwarves containing the armies of the Free Guilds, Collegiate Arcane, Ironweld Arsenal, Dispossessed, and the various Aelf armies. Free Guilds is a human army dedicated to defending the Free Cities.

I find this both hilarious and sad. The fact that Humans are the only ones that do this can be interpreted to the racism of the humans in those cities or GW not thinking about it. I mean, I would expect that a city for different races would be a part of the Freeguild because it is their city too, but nope.

Highly disappointed they cut out any mortals in the slaanesh book.