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Jackal90 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

That’s what’s getting me.
It’s more of a damn mallet lol.
The croquet memes will be floating about soon.

I’d have expected hammers like the old white lions cavalry.
If you have strength infused from a mountain, surely a smaller head on the hammer would produce far more damage.

Maybe the infused strength is in proportion to the amount of metal involved? I mean I still think something with a shape more like an actual warhammer (or just any other shape, for that matter) would look better, but maybe they at least have an explanation.

Oh I understand it’s part of their heroic scale, but sometimes bigger weapons just make the whole model look terrible.

Some of the better sculpted models actually have normal sized weapons.

I just think they need to review the heroic scale weapon appearance when tackling certain models.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

Keep in mind the scale of GW miniatures is not true; items like weapons are up-scaled to make their details more apparent and for aesthetics. Note how, bar a few exceptions, weapon proportions in the art are much more reasonable.

It's also practical because we play with models about 1ft or so from us on a table. It's even "worse" for other scales; at 15 mm weapons are massive compared to what they'd really be. Plus things like thickness vary a lot too; swords are super thick because making them the right scale thickness would have them flopping over, falling off out the mould or snapping super easy. I've got some metal models on the table and the swords for them are much thicker than plastic ones, though even the plastic are often still too thick for reality.

 Overread wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

Keep in mind the scale of GW miniatures is not true; items like weapons are up-scaled to make their details more apparent and for aesthetics. Note how, bar a few exceptions, weapon proportions in the art are much more reasonable.

It's also practical because we play with models about 1ft or so from us on a table. It's even "worse" for other scales; at 15 mm weapons are massive compared to what they'd really be. Plus things like thickness vary a lot too; swords are super thick because making them the right scale thickness would have them flopping over, falling off out the mould or snapping super easy. I've got some metal models on the table and the swords for them are much thicker than plastic ones, though even the plastic are often still too thick for reality.

It can be done by GW really well too though.
Just take a look at the LoTR range.
Most of their weapons are far more normal and don’t suffer as a result.

pm713 wrote:
If the cow peeps are mountain spirits and their followers maybe the others follow different spirits?

I'd like some fire spirit guys.

I reckon water is a serpent which would fit well with Hysh as that was a motif from the old Lore of Light

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Jackal90 wrote:

These guys are apparently infused with the power of the mountains (lesser extent of the battle cattle) so that may make it easier for them.
I’d still rather a small cavalry hammer though if they needed hammers.

I think hammers with more reasonably sized heads would have looked a lot better.

Even for non-Elves, I've never liked the aesthetics of 'giant mallet' weapons.

Keep in mind the scale of GW miniatures is not true; items like weapons are up-scaled to make their details more apparent and for aesthetics. Note how, bar a few exceptions, weapon proportions in the art are much more reasonable.

Even allowing for heroic scale, they'd still be closer to sledgehammers than warhammers.

If that's what floats your boat, sure. For me, I'm just not a fan of big sledgehammer or mallet weapons - least of all on races like Elves.

But each to his own and all that.

For those wanting to know more about the Lumineth's runes/mandala surrounding their elemental spirits.

Each is to be considered separate, so the "Y" is River, the delta/triangle is Mountain, the crescent is Wind, and Zenith is the half-circle with a line.

Interconnection is supposed to represent a 'mastery' of those elements.

It's always amusing reading everyone's takes on new reveals.

I know these are pretty far removed from typical Elf expectations that I actually am tempted to pick some up to hang out with the empty suit of armor.

Wow, of all the directions I expected the new elfs to go I think "Giant Stone Cow God" was amongst the last. Not my cup of tea but I am still looking forward to getting the empty armour, cavalry and some spearelfs.

As a teenager we used to play terrain croquet on a small hillside with massive threeroots , threes, shrubberies and occasional large boulders. It went on forever as the balls got stuck or rolled away.
So I can totally see how these mountain aelf and sprits like those kind of weapons.

I really love everything about these new Lumineth. Exelent fresh take on the aelf concept. More fairytale Narnia style than boring old Tolkien elves. (ofcourse Narnia would only accept elves as subordinate subjects under Christian human kings,but you get the point).

Someone on Facebook pointed out that the veiled Mage or whatever she is looks like she’s holding the goblet of smoke we saw with her veiled face (the goblet has a hand holding it with a robed sleeve that matches her, and the very end of the smoke looks like it matches the group photo of her).

The cow-head hammer Elves aren’t my cup of tea either, but all discussion about whether they are strong enough to wield the too big looking hammers is silly because it’s clearly stated these are MAGICAL hammers, so the magic obviously makes them light enough to swing around

Jackal90 wrote:

I’d have rather seen them with cavalry style hammers as they are far smaller.

No hammer wielded in warhammer, save maybe the very few instances early on, are actually practical weapon. Certainly not the massive sledge-hammers which GW loves giving to everyone.That's just the aesthetic.

These were posted on Facebook yesterday, but I don't see them here...

Those cow helmets are just rubbish..... hot garbage. GW saving me some cash

... nope. Still can't look at those without giggling like a little girl.

They did prompt me to panic-buy some oop HE stuff, so that's something.

Probably just replace their heads with the spear heads or old HE heads. I strongly dislike painting faces or that would be the other option just making all of them without a helmet.

For the people that don’t want the cow-face masks or the horns, the physics of plastic casting means those must be separate pieces to the helmets proper, so you could just leave them off and put a gem or something over the connection point.

The basic helmet shape looks pretty classically high-elf/Greek so that would work quite well with standard HElf infantry.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Someone on Facebook pointed out that the veiled Mage or whatever she is looks like she’s holding the goblet of smoke we saw with her veiled face (the goblet has a hand holding it with a robed sleeve that matches her, and the very end of the smoke looks like it matches the group photo of her).

Looks like she's a mage or spirit of Zenith

 Mr_Rose wrote:
For the people that don’t want the cow-face masks or the horns, the physics of plastic casting means those must be separate pieces to the helmets proper, so you could just leave them off and put a gem or something over the connection point.

Well... that's broadly true. But GW really likes complex interlocking parts these days, so I doubt it will be that straightforward.
Not particularly a fan of the squished faces either.

Its a shame, really. The body is a really solid piece for an elf warrior, then they just went 'how can we make it weird?' Weird for the weird god.

I agree. The helmets should just look like Dire Avenger helms, with a mohawk of hair. It's the only part of them I absolutely do NOT like.

LOL'ing at you guys using words like "precision", "surgical", and "graceful" etc. when trying to justify elves wielding comic book scale mallets.

A mallet is not a hammer.

When combined with their ridiculous helmets, it looks like kazoo music should play every time they activate.

Mountain goat looks like a top heavy Eldar thing.

Classic High Elves just went up in value.

Art often depicts Vikings with horns on their helmets, but actually, that was the Celts that Rome fought in Briton. Warriors figured out pretty quickly that the scare value of having an impressive helmet did not make up for the broken neck you would suffer if your opponent's weapons hit the protruding horns and suddenly forced your neck to twist. Even Medieval and Renaissance Helmets with fantastic crests were only worn for social occasions and were replaced with more practical helms for battle. If those bull helms that the elves are wearing aren't decorated with paper Mache tear away bull horns, those elves are going to get wrecked in battle. Hell, a weedy elf probably couldn't support his head in an upright position with that much weight bearing down on him. Everything about these elves runs contrary to the lithe, light aesthetics that elves are usually assigned. I know AOS is about busting norms and thinking outside the box, but this is really just dumb.

Yeah. I know it is a fantasy game, but I really don't like those helmets. The height is ridiculous, and then the horns make them broader than the elves wearing them.

Can you imagine these guys trying to run through a forest, or enter a building? Too much, for me. From the head down they are quite nice, though I think blunt weapons are not very elvish.

I'm going to be that guy and say I really like these models.

Love those helmets. Not a word of sarcasm.

I get whey people don't like em, but I think they totally work. But I like Santa Grimnar too.

 Da Boss wrote:
Yeah. I know it is a fantasy game, but I really don't like those helmets. The height is ridiculous, and then the horns make them broader than the elves wearing them.

Can you imagine these guys trying to run through a forest, or enter a building? Too much, for me. From the head down they are quite nice, though I think blunt weapons are not very elvish.

You mean that blunt weapons aren't Tolkien rip-off Elvish? Because not every elf from every game and company needs to copy Lord of the Rings aesthetics for their High Elves.

I think one of the reasons Skaven are so cool is that they are a GW creation that doesn't slavishly follow the same design aesthetic as all other companies. Lumineth are not required to just be "Old World elves in new plastic" any more than the Overlords had to be reworked Old World Dwarves.

 Da Boss wrote:
Yeah. I know it is a fantasy game, but I really don't like those helmets. The height is ridiculous, and then the horns make them broader than the elves wearing them.

Can you imagine these guys trying to run through a forest, or enter a building? Too much, for me. From the head down they are quite nice, though I think blunt weapons are not very elvish.

Same can be said of the high elves and their cone heads.

If you just used the top of the helmet they would make an interesting bovine race....