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Wondered what you'd be smoking then Casey

Yeah, liking the sarge, nice little number you did on him there...

Great land speeders!

Thank you, thank you.

Here's my kind of next Typhoon update... the entire Adepticon force as it stands. Only the quad gun and dev sergeant left with no paint on them. I'm getting there!

Those landspeederes turned out really great.

Great little group shot...almost there Gits

So just the two vets with plasmas in this force? I obviously skipped/forgot/failed to notice the details whenever force composition was discussed...

C'mon Gitz, get that quadgun painted up!

In a sea of such beautifully painted models that grey Quadgun does you and your skill at painting no justice.




Still not 100% sure about those yellow teeth on the speeders. Something about them just doesn't look right.

@ monkeytroll: Yeah. Like all my Adepticon lists, they never survive play-testing as originally planned. (Sort of like the old adage... "No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.")

This, however... has proven to be a very resilient force. The whole thing is intended to be combat squadded with the plasma cannon parts of the tac squads in the rear sitting on objectives and giving anti-termie/heavy personnel supporting fire. The other half of the squads with the flamers and power sword sergeants hop in the rhinos to "go get it" (whatever "it" happens to be).The dev's sit back and shoot whatever with MLs & LCs and the sergeant likely mans the quad gun (though any of the rearward squads can do this). Typhoons are also designed for long range fire support and can hit both vehicles and infantry & can make last minute shots at linebreaker or contesting an objective (if they live that long). Whether they start on the table or come on in reserves depends on my opponent, the terrain and the scenario. Ezekiel (Clothis) can do whatever but right now I've got him hanging back & providing psychic support to the rearward squads, as well as a little punch should an assault become necessary.

I had variations of this army with my sternguard as well as other units I've used in the past... but I wanted to try something different. This is basically a standard SM army with the exception of Ezekiel... It was also a good excuse to paint up enough marines for two tactical squads which is something I've wanted to do for a long time but probably wouldn't have done without the tournament as incentive. The real reason the two plasma cannoneers are in tranquility camo is that an early variation of this list had a sternguard squad with two PCs in it. Now however, they're doing what the sternguard in my army do when the "unit" isn't called up... they matriculate with the regular infantry and lend support as they can.

I really only have one quandry remaining with this list. I pay 10 points to make the two tac squad sergeants "veterans", which gives them +1 attack and an LD of 9. I could instead... use that 10 points to give each of the sergeants a melta bomb and the rhinos dozer blades, which would increase the overall flexibility of those squads at the cost of 1 point in LD and the third attack with the 15 point power swords. TBH I'm not sure which is the right way to go. I've been play testing it with the vet sergeants, but so far neither has gotten into cc (which is more typical than not). But since I've already paid 15 pts for the swords... seems a waste not to give them the extra attack. The rhinos would look better with the dozer blades though.

*shrug*

Just not sure which way I should go.

@Snrub: Sorry mate... I respect your opinion but I think they're going to stay the way they are. I need to move on if I'm going to get everything done (including the quad gun).

The speeders are really looking good Git's your so close now.

In regards to the spare points its a hard one, to me its either LD 9 or Melta Bombs, I'd cross my fingers and go for melta bombs to take out dreads and LR's if they get too close.

All depends how good you are on LD tests

Yeah... the MBs are handy... and those squads with the sergeants are likely to be in harms way... I'll try some play testing with the MBs and lower LD and we'll see if it bites me in the butt.

Here are both speeders, now painted up to the same place.

Hey Gits, i wasn't having a go at you in that last post. There was supposed to be another sentance afterwards saying "not my minis so it doesn't matter i like them or not." but i'm guessing i just thought it rather then writing it down.

I didn't think you were Snrub... there was no vitriol in my comment at all. Just meant that I wasn't in a position to re-paint them with a deadline looming. No worries man, we're good.

those speeders are really nice.

New battle report.... sort of. 3rd in the MW vs. Necron series. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/510383.page#5330161

 Gitsplitta wrote:
New battle report.... sort of. 3rd in the MW vs. Necron series. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/510383.page#5330161

just read it! GIT YOU SPEED AWAY WITH HERESY! fool, ah well seems like a great game. Lovely paint and all.

Ack!

Just caught up on two and half pages, whereby advice was asked for, I dutifully collected my thoughts, only to find that everything is already done! Slow down man - you are making the rest of us look bad

Right - so you are going to get my opinion anyway, and I give it fully knowing that it won't change anything - this time...


Initial thoughts on the first pic were that you need to decide *how much* yellow you want, and consequently, where it should go. While both are a matter of preference, I think the former is more so - the latter can be improved by consistency of choice. There is too much yellow for it to be a spot colour, it's most definitely a secondary colour (to the primary green) - but the consistency of choice is all over the place - internal placement on the front and rear fin, external placement around the hatch and on the wing tips and raised placement on the bumper. It's obviously missing from other places at this stage, but if you were to fill in everything that matched what you started, yellow would be the primary colour I also didn't think the black worked on the bumper, and was going to ask if that was intended to be metal, as I suspected that would look better (or make the recessed black yellow, and the raised yellow green or metal...) - but you already did that so you'll have to take my word on it that I actually thought it beforehand


Looking a lot better now because you are finished (or close to) and the yellow is better balanced across the model. The boltgun on the bumper looks a lot better and the hatches look a lot better green with the yellow Mantis Warrior emblem. I still think more consistency of placement of the yellow - just recessed areas or just raised areas - may have worked better. If going for recessed, move the yellow on the wings from the tips to flaps, remove the yellow around the hatches, possibly put yellow in the back top defined plates, drop the yellow from the bumper and make it green with metal raised bits - or possibly make it yellow with green or metal raised bits. Paint the centre bar yellow with a green or metal raised bit, or if that is too much, leave green with a metal raised bit. Alternatively, working with the raised areas, reverse the centre and front missile launcher colours, possibly doing the back in yellow as well, reverse the fin and/or intake colours or leave green, potentially lose the yellow on the hood. This also gives rise to some additional possibilities - raised parts of the heavy bolters and the raised "dimple" on the proby thing mounting.


But hey, they look great. Not all (or even any) of my suggestions/thoughts may have improved the end result - I just wanted to share my thought process in respect to your original request for advice, which may or may not be helpful in the future and inevitably never survives actual painting anyway. Someone should do those images up for the DakkaDakka colour chooser thingy.

Now it appears I have two battle reports to catch up with...

oh dear, I feel really inadiquate now, my painting skills are horrific compared to yours!

The Land Speeders just look so awesome. There something about the Typhoons in that paint scheme jsut work so well.

Personally I liked the black bumper. Very cautionary. If anything I think if you distressed the bumper a bit it you would have a similar effect ( dry brushing the edges and a bit of wear )

Still a very amazing look and uniquely standout for your army. Good show!

 Arakasi wrote:
Ack!

Just caught up on two and half pages, whereby advice was asked for, I dutifully collected my thoughts, only to find that everything is already done! Slow down man - you are making the rest of us look bad

Right - so you are going to get my opinion anyway, and I give it fully knowing that it won't change anything - this time...

Your advice is always sought and welcome my friend. Thank you for taking the time.

Initial thoughts on the first pic were that you need to decide *how much* yellow you want, and consequently, where it should go. While both are a matter of preference, I think the former is more so - the latter can be improved by consistency of choice. There is too much yellow for it to be a spot colour, it's most definitely a secondary colour (to the primary green) - but the consistency of choice is all over the place - internal placement on the front and rear fin, external placement around the hatch and on the wing tips and raised placement on the bumper. It's obviously missing from other places at this stage, but if you were to fill in everything that matched what you started, yellow would be the primary colour

Your comments actually point out a common problem I have, not just with minis but with life. I'm a terrible planner... but I've very good at making it up as I go along. The color choice on the LS is a perfect example. It's kind of a mess and doesn't follow any logical pattern... but in the end it works pretty well. That pretty much sums me up. I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just how my brain is wired. Your comments are spot on though... consistency of design would have improved the model.

I also didn't think the black worked on the bumper, and was going to ask if that was intended to be metal, as I suspected that would look better (or make the recessed black yellow, and the raised yellow green or metal...) - but you already did that so you'll have to take my word on it that I actually thought it beforehand

Yeah... I was kind of torn on the whole bumper thing. I think the very best option would have been to leave the bumper green and paint the pads metal... but then the front of the LS would be short on yellow when compared to the rest of the vehicle. Second best option would have been to do the bumper yellow and pads either green or steel. That would *really* push yellow towards the primary. I picked the third best option... or maybe the 4th... metal bumper with yellow pads. It was a vast improvement over the black and yellow though. I must have been pickin' up your positive waves.

Looking a lot better now because you are finished (or close to) and the yellow is better balanced across the model. The boltgun on the bumper looks a lot better and the hatches look a lot better green with the yellow Mantis Warrior emblem. I still think more consistency of placement of the yellow - just recessed areas or just raised areas - may have worked better. If going for recessed, move the yellow on the wings from the tips to flaps, remove the yellow around the hatches, possibly put yellow in the back top defined plates, drop the yellow from the bumper and make it green with metal raised bits - or possibly make it yellow with green or metal raised bits. Paint the centre bar yellow with a green or metal raised bit, or if that is too much, leave green with a metal raised bit. Alternatively, working with the raised areas, reverse the centre and front missile launcher colours, possibly doing the back in yellow as well, reverse the fin and/or intake colours or leave green, potentially lose the yellow on the hood. This also gives rise to some additional possibilities - raised parts of the heavy bolters and the raised "dimple" on the proby thing mounting.

My one point of disagreement is that the area around the hatches IS a recessed area. If I was going to really do the recessed area thing, I should have painted not only the rim of the hatches but the hatches themselves yellow (which I did consider). Painting the recess around the hatches was a major element that I set out to do from the beginning, so I wouldn't have changed it anyway. I wanted to make a painting design that gave a different visual image than a normal LS. As I went along, I kept doing things that I thought would make the visual impact I wanted... but thing after thing just didn't really do the trick. What you see is still not what I wanted... but it's as close as I was able to get given my piece-meal approach. Luckily, I have one more to do... and I think I'll push things a little harder with the third one and see where it gets me. You will see the evidence of your advice in the last one.

But hey, they look great. Not all (or even any) of my suggestions/thoughts may have improved the end result - I just wanted to share my thought process in respect to your original request for advice, which may or may not be helpful in the future and inevitably never survives actual painting anyway. Someone should do those images up for the DakkaDakka colour chooser thingy.

I greatly appreciate your help Arakasi and will take it to heart. Your comments are very perceptive and as I mentioned... accentuate a known quirk in my psyche. Something I'll remember to keep in mind as I go forward.

Thanks!
Gits

While I agree with most points, in my opinion yellow and dark metal bumper was the best option possible.
At least from what I see on the pictures.
Green bumper would have been kinda boring, while green jellow base would have looked very off.

All in all the end result is really good.

My only critism would be that the edges of yellow in the lower parts are a bit unclean.
At least it looks like this in some pictures.
Also at that painting standart it would have been nice to smooth some of those gaps between the platic parts with greenstuff

Actually I did that... or at least tried to do that. That one seam in the front is just terrible. I tried using the "liquid green stuff" that GW came out with once but it shrinks so much that it never did fill the gaps.

Keep in mind these were rescue projects... here's what they looked like at the beginning... (minus the gunners which we're the first part of the rescue/conversion).

ohhhhhh ok, must have overlooked that..
well, in that case I got nothing to complain about

the liquid greenstuff is sad however...
what should use that stuff for, if not filling gaps? 0o
(got a bottle here, but never used it XD)

Personally, I really like the execution on yellow/metal bumpers. Having seen the green and metal bumpers I can say that that does not look very appealing.

Beautiful army!

Looking good gits!

Just a couple of quick shots...

Added the final touches to the Dev sergeant. Added extras like chainsword teeth (THANK YOU ZINGE!), purity seals and terminator honors.



And re-visited the rhinos. My eldest said the new speeders looked great but odd when next to the rhinos & that I should look at adding some yellow to them. I just couldn't find any good spots to add the yellow, but I did find a lot of areas that could be picked out in metal to add detail and complexity to the figures. So while these may not look like much, they're actually quite different than they used to be.



The other reason I worked on the rhinos a bit is that I know everyone wants me to go further with the land speeders... edge highlighting... weathering & damage and the lot. But I'm not going to do that unless I can be sure that I have enough time to do the same thing to the rhinos. So I'm trying to put myself into a position to be able to add those things once the quad gun and dev sergeant are all painted up. So for now the Speeders will be marked as "finished" with the caveat that they aren't actually done, just consistent with the rest of the army I'll be fielding them with. If I don't get back to them before Adepticon, it'll have to wait until afterwards.

Very very nice number on those tankies! I'm not sold on the purity deal on the dev serg's wall-e though I'm afraid. It looks a bit odd to me. Love the before and after of the speeders!

Home made tread plates for the rhinos!!

Those Rhinos look great. The shiny tread plates look great too - what are they made from?

Would be very interested to see what you did with one of the FW Deimos Executioners, I should think you would make it look great

Tread plates are made by cutting a sheet of thin plasticard, then using a toothpick to spread a thin layer of superglue on it. The take a bit of this flexible mesh I got at the hardware store (you buy it 36" across by the foot... cost me like... $1.25 for a lifetime worth of tread plates). Anyway, you lay that across the plastic, let it dry & cut to size. Simple, effective, cheap.

Oooohhh.... those are old-school looking! Me likey! Are they limited to any specific dex?


... man... now I'm really considering popping those side doors off to see if I can re-do them. Problem is, if I screw it up I've really got a mess to deal with.

Rhinos look good. I can't see where you might add yellow to them though. I think big yellow doors are enough really.
I like the treadplate.