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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider





Richmond, VA

I am in my office at work and currently surrounded by import Macross Valkyrie toys - toys that would be illegal to sell because Harmony Gold in the USA owns the rights to the designs. And they love suing people who they don't like.
And I bought them legally from companies that exist in the USA and from companies that exist abroad, and had them shipped to me.

But nobody cares.

And these are huge companies. Much, much larger than a guy in his basement playing Internet Tough Guy on a forum for... board games.

You can import whatever you want.

Moon Design will not do a single thing to a single person.

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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

NOT double sourced this yet but according to what I see from http://heroquestforum.it it appears Dionisio went for a Chinese printer to get the cardboard components for HeroQuest. I am in two minds about that. Chinese manufacturers tend to rip off small productions, this could well happen here, like it happened for Rackham and for Catalyst. Gamezone might get gazumped mid production, or might find that quality takes a sudden nosedive. On the other hand it might happen quickly and well. In the long run Chinese printers are a bad idea, as you might want to ship stock but it will be up to a very disinterested Chinese print house whether or when you get it. But backers might get our components printer up and shipped reasonably quickly.

Any Italian speakers here please check out the forum, I gleaned this info through auto-translate, so caveats apply.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Some news from BGG

NEWS
A couple of backers went to the second warehouse of GZ and the results are the following,

'- There are two remaining pieces to be done, but everything has been finished (on miniatures and scenery)
- Packing will be made in Barcelona and shipping will be made from there as well.
- Printing materials have been ordered in March this year (we * suspect * printing is being made in China, hence the delay).
- Dionisio will ONLY inform through the official channel.
- No refunds will be made until the game is released. Then backers who request it could choose game or refund.
- No more visits allowed and no more statements will be made (only official ones)'


And not Gamezone related but didn't seem worth a new topic yet check these out:
https://m.facebook.com/boris.woloszyn/photos/a.611409158977069.1073741835.596063407178311/1261870820597563/?type=3&source=48&__tn__=E
https://m.facebook.com/boris.woloszyn/
May be available as a KS at some point.
   
Made in gb
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

You should look at the context of that thread DaveC. Dionisio allowed another inspection because a group of Spanish backers claim to have have successfully sued Gamezone for refunds plus damages/costs.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

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Fresh-Faced New User




Has anybody heard anything new since the "Promise is a Promise" update?
   
Made in de
Battlefield Tourist






Nuremberg

Seeing the board and minis from this, I would be really interested in picking it up if it made it to a shop near me. But man, it's disappointing when the projects with the most hype and in many cases the most artistic talent, get delayed so long.

   
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Central WI

Successfully sued? Damn I wish I had gotten in on that. I'm out around $150 or so. I doubt I'll actually see the game anyway.

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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience





On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

starflier23 wrote:
Has anybody heard anything new since the "Promise is a Promise" update?


Had a quick scout around, can't find any other news unfortunately.. :(

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Mighty Brass Scorpion of Khorne






Dorset, UK

So.... Today is exactly 6 months since we heard anything from Gamezone. Has anybody found any information elsewhere recently? Or is it safe to assume, at long last, that this is dead and buried?

   
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So this never delivered, but not for the reasons that many assumed would be why it wouldn't deliver?

I feel for anyone who invested in this one.

And I really wanted to buy it at 'retail' too.

   
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Yep, have lost a bit of money on this one.

Does anyone know the ritual for summoning DaveC?

He has been the bringer of news from the other side for much of the life of this thread!

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Fixture of Dakka






There's absolutely nothing out there Gamezone have gone totally silent. I've checked the usual places the French translator posted on BGG recently that he's still working on it and that an update is expected by years end but even his credibility has worn very thin at this point hence my reason for not posting it until summoned

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Longtime Dakkanaut






UK

The rollercoaster ride of emotions continues :(

   
Made in gb
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

The time has come for those who backed for components to ask for their models and all resin terrain in separation.
The miniatures are awesome.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

DaveC - thanks for checking in any case, is appreciated!

I might try a direct email and some pleading, but othewise quite sad as it does sounds like this one might never see the light of day.

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 Pacific wrote:
DaveC - thanks for checking in any case, is appreciated!

I might try a direct email and some pleading, but othewise quite sad as it does sounds like this one might never see the light of day.


No problem. I've messaged GZ before including a change of address. The change of address was done straight away the others went unanswered so I know they are getting the messages they are just being selective in what they answer.
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Metal versions of the heroes and monsters have been put up for sale until Monday.

http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/100-heroes
http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/101-adversarios

I wonder if this is a way to get some cash in. From a quick look around Gamezone have a lot of court actions pending against them and Spanish backers are starting to get refunds plus interest from these cases.

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On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

Ah that's interesting.

Do you think that makes it more or less likely that we might ever see the actual copy of the boardgame out to backers? (or from your impression of Spanish forums have most in Spain already given up on it, and are just trying to reclaim their money?)

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Fixture of Dakka






I really don't know at this stage

I saw this image on BGG




Green stands for updates during the crowdfunding phase.

Yellow is updates in the official web for project

Red is the delivery dates that at some point GZ promised

Blue is when someone has send an official requirement of information through burofax (a system that can be used later in court to prove that the "debtor" should have been aware of its debt, see here for more details -> https://www.creditlimitsinternational.com/15-spain-debt-collection-notice.html)

Pink are dates at which actions have been presented in court against Gz

Orange was the supposed oficial presentation of the game in Comic-Con Madrid


As you can see the pink is getting ever greater as we go. Spanish backers of which there are a lot have far easier recourse to the courts than others so a lot of them are going that route now. They could well sink Gamezone before anything fulfilled practicularly if they have to pay interest on top of the refund. I read through the Spanish forum a week or 2 ago and the talk at this stage is mostly of refunds and legal action.
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Saw this on BGG the source is the French Translator although I haven't located the original post but look news, rumours whatever are so thin on the ground something is better than nothing at all.

9 décembre 2017
"Après plusieurs jets, d'énormes modifications et tests, on a tout repris.
Je ne plaisantais pas pour la livraison du jeu : noël 2018.
Soit 4 ans et 10 mois à coup sûr sauf si GameZone Miniatures décide d'envoyer la boîte de base d'abord.
Dans ce cas, ce serait le second trimestre 2018.
D'ici peu, j'expliquerai ce que nous faisons avec l'autorisation de GZ."

"Je travaille dessus là et Dionisio écourte des descriptions de cartes du coup je dois les réintégrer soit dans le futur forum qui ouvrira ses portes soit dans le livre des règles dans la section appropriée. Je m'en sors mais j'ai l'impression de pas avancer du coup bien que cela ne soit pas le cas. Courage courage ..."

December 9, 2017
"After several attempts, huge changes and tests, everything was back.
I was not kidding for the delivery of the game: Christmas 2018.
That's 4 years and 10 months for sure unless GameZone Miniatures decides to send the base box first.
In this case, it would be the second quarter of 2018.
Soon, I'll explain what we do with GZ's permission. "

"I'm working on that and Dionisio is shortening the card descriptions so I have to reinstate them either in the future forum that will open or in the rules book in the appropriate section. not to move forward even though this is not the case Courage courage ... "


Sure what's another year if legal action hasn't killed it already then it probably soon will.

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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon






And still this rumbles on.

Glad I pulled out before the KS closed. This has reet put me off KS in the future.

   
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[DCM]
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This didn't end on Kickstarter.

(I'm not even sure it started there either)

Anyway, I'm glad I didn't back it either - though I almost did.

I was hoping that it would make it to 'retail' though...

   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut






UK

I backed it.

The nugget of hope that I will see anything out of that keeps on shrinking

   
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 Slinky wrote:
I backed it.

The nugget of hope that I will see anything out of that keeps on shrinking


Me too.

I keep an eye open but to be honest will be surprised if we do every see anything out of this, and have chalked it up as a loss.

I've been fairly fortunate with other KS, this is the only big one I've lost out on (although as Alph says, it wasn't a KS - IIRC it was initially but was stopped because of the legal talk around the Heroquest RPG and the comments from that really angry guy that ran it. Then it switched to another pledge manager system, believe the Spanish one).

In any case, many thanks for DaveC for keeping the thread up to date with news there is

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Fixture of Dakka






Project was dodgy as feth from inception. I’m surprised it got as much support as it did.

"The Omnissiah is my Moderati" 
   
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Incorporating Wet-Blending






Message was only sent in Spanish, and legal action is only for Spanish law.

Good afternoon dear backers:

First, Lanzanos wants to apologize for the lack of communication during these months. We have been gathering information and making sure how we should act.

As you will already know, Dionisio and Gamezone haven't contacted us nor any media and of course they haven't contacted you either. After a brief investigation, we can say with near all likelihood that they will never send the rewards they promised.

During those months we have sent through our platform the proof of payment to those backers that asked for it. Not the receipt, as the receipt has to be sent by the project creator, but the proof of payment.

However, we would like to offer you different proposals:

A) Individual Complaints: Lanzanos will provide you with the tools and documents needed, so backers find easier to file individual legal action, so any backer holding these documents will be able to file a complaint, and being for amounts of money less than 900 euros, you won't need a lawyer nor a solicitor, making everything much easier.

B) Create an association of "victims of HQ25" and filing a group Complaint. Lanzanos would register at the AGPD (Spanish Data Protection Agency) a file in which you can fill up with your data so we would be the ones under responsability of making the payment receips and lawyering up for the legal procedure. In the link [insert URL here] you will be able to insert your name, surname, ID, and Lanzanos login so that we could make the payment receipts and the rest of paperwork to make everything easier. Once we have enough number of participants we are going to open a forum and [implement some] voting tools so we can act before the next 14 days maximum.

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Fixture of Dakka






Thanks for sharing ced did that come through as an email? I haven't received it yet if so.

That's it then it's dead (not that it wasn't already but this officially kills it), guess I'll be opting for the class action option really can't be bothered going it alone. At least Lanzanos have stepped up and are willing to act on backers behalf now.

The other issue here is that you will only get back the funds that went through Lanzanos (less any fees) anything extra spent in the PM is gone.

EDIT: re your last edit - does that mean they will only act on Spanish backers behalf? leaving everyone else out of luck sounds more like what Lanzanos have been up to before alright they know non Spanish backers will have a much more difficult time pursuing them and it's easier to get a settlement for a smaller group of backers than everyone.

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Longtime Dakkanaut






UK

I haven't received that Lanzanos mail either.

   
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Sorry, I wasn't specific enough. AFAIK, It was only sent to Spanish backers and the assistance from Lazanos only pertains to Spanish law. Overseas backers are on their own.

More info on BGG, though there's a fair amount of "I told you so" going on. Myself, I didn't back because of the red flags, but learned more about resin production and that issues a project raises can indicate problems with management itself.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1517279/rumors-news-and-leaks-darkstone-forums/page/12

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Having a quiet day at work I stumbled upon this thread and have pretty much gone through it from beginning to end in the last few hours, and it's been fascinating.
Like everyone else on here Hero Quest was a game I grew up playing and absolutely loved, I probably would have backed it too had I seen it all that time ago. fortunately I didn't but what a sad situation it's gotten to.
I've backed a few kickstarters and am aware there can be problems and delays but this has really opened my eyes to the crowdfunding risk. The initial excitement, the glimpses of miniatures, the drip feed of information, the increasing speculation and eventually the silence from the makers.
Hopefully the backers get some sort of resolution, and I'd also hope this doesn't cause Gamezone miniatures to fold as I suspect it probably will.

I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples 
   
 
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