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2015/09/27 12:43:25
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
krazynadechukr wrote: I think Ghosty is somewhere in between broadside/riptide & Stormy is bigger than Riptide...
If the Broadside is bigger than the Commander, I'd say that the Ghostkeel would be the size of a Broadside at maximum. We already know that the Stormsurge is significantly bigger than the Riptide.
TheNewBlood wrote: If the Broadside is bigger than the Commander, I'd say that the Ghostkeel would be the size of a Broadside at maximum. We already know that the Stormsurge is significantly bigger than the Riptide.
I'd say Ghostkeel should be around the size of the Hazard, so definitely bigger and wider than Broadside, since they're both XV9 series.
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2015/09/27 22:25:59
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
I'll say Ghostkeel is larger than a Broadside and likely by a comfortable margin. Based on the size of his thigh and the size of the Firewarriors in the foreground, I think that he's probably got some parts commonality with the Riptide, but is slightly smaller overall.
I think people are making a mistake using the first digit only as a mass qualifier. Since the last codex the Broadside has been based on a different chassis than the Crisis suit, meaning it is now an XV-80 series instead of an XV-8 series platform. Similarly the Ghostkeel is an XV-90 series, not an XV-9, so its probably not Hazard sized.
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2015/09/27 22:39:11
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
No, that's never how it has worked. The broadside (canonically) is a alteration on the XV8 series (the 8 is modified by another 8). If it was an XV80 is would be bigger than a riptide. The first number is a size designation. The second number is a modifier on that. Like how the XV25 and the XV15 both have the modifier "5" for stealth. Shadowsun's suit is in the 2 series (same size class as the stealth suit) but has a 2 for experimental. The hazard is on class up from the crisis/broadside so it is given the XV9 classification, and this new suit would also go in that class.
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2015/09/28 02:02:36
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
I thought you were speaking literally that its designation was 10 and not 104, my bad.
As far as how the numbers work, the Broadside has always been an evolution of the Crisis suit in the fluff. The only thing that messes this up is the Stormsurge by being a "12" as opposed to the Riptides' "10" despite being very similar.
2015/09/28 02:45:52
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
Caederes wrote: I thought you were speaking literally that its designation was 10 and not 104, my bad.
As far as how the numbers work, the Broadside has always been an evolution of the Crisis suit in the fluff. The only thing that messes this up is the Stormsurge by being a "12" as opposed to the Riptides' "10" despite being very similar.
I'm pretty sure the Stormsurge is bigger than the Riptide so the '12' makes sense.
2015/09/28 06:02:01
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
Although version 4 is supposed to be command and control model, while Riptides are issued to Shas'Vre bodyguards rather than commanders (commanders are too valuable to loose to a Nova reactor malfunctions)
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ImAGeek wrote: I'm pretty sure the Stormsurge is bigger than the Riptide so the '12' makes sense.
Besides, there is no say weight class designation must come in a sequence - we have no XV3, 5, 6 and 7 series, jumping from XV2 to 4 and then straight to 8, so I haver no trouble with jumping over XV11 as well.
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2015/09/28 07:10:33
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
The hype is real. This is the showdown to see who gets my money. FW or GW. Will it be the Gargantuan Creature Weight of the Supremacy Armor or a tag team combo of the Stormsurge, Ghostkeel, and new kits that gets my money.
Let's get ready to rumble!
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2015/09/28 11:52:34
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
A multipart plastic boxed set that makes one KV128 Stormsurge Ballistic Suit. This walking vehicle stands as tall as a Riptide Battlesuit and is a magnificent centerpiece miniature for any Tau collection. The Stormsurge wields new weaponry, designed to destroy the Imperial Knights, super heavy vehicles and Titans along with huge missile pods, and large array of secondary weapons.
Listed at RRP £90.
In other news, Vanguard and Sternguard getting repacked (32mm bases?).
A multipart plastic boxed set that makes one KV128 Stormsurge Ballistic Suit. This walking vehicle stands as tall as a Riptide Battlesuit and is a magnificent centerpiece miniature for any Tau collection. The Stormsurge wields new weaponry, designed to destroy the Imperial Knights, super heavy vehicles and Titans along with huge missile pods, and large array of secondary weapons.
Listed at RRP £90.
So halfway between the price band of the two Knight kits. Interesting.
In other news, Vanguard and Sternguard getting repacked (32mm bases?).
PRAISE RAPTOR JESUS! I've held off on buying any more Vanguard/Sternguard for my Raptors because buying 32mm bases as well is irksome.
2015/09/28 12:35:29
Subject: Re:Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
A multipart plastic boxed set that makes one KV128 Stormsurge Ballistic Suit. This walking vehicle stands as tall as a Riptide Battlesuit and is a magnificent centerpiece miniature for any Tau collection. The Stormsurge wields new weaponry, designed to destroy the Imperial Knights, super heavy vehicles and Titans along with huge missile pods, and large array of secondary weapons.
Nice!
BrookM wrote:Oh goody, as if the Tau had any trouble taking down Imperial Knights before.
Outside melta crisis and y'vahra, yeah, we had trouble. Broadsides were a better option, had they keep S10.
BrookM wrote: Oh goody, as if the Tau had any trouble taking down Imperial Knights before.
Actually, it's the one thing we did have trouble taking down. Tau are amazing against light-medium armour, but the only thing we really had that was good against heavy was DS meta-ciders.
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2015/09/28 12:42:43
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
Wishlisting here - but wouldn't it be great to see XV-88 railguns go back to s10 (or even 9) and the heavy railgun on the hammerhead become a sD sabot?
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2015/09/28 12:49:33
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
BrookM wrote: Oh goody, as if the Tau had any trouble taking down Imperial Knights before.
Actually, it's the one thing we did have trouble taking down. Tau are amazing against light-medium armour, but the only thing we really had that was good against heavy was DS meta-ciders.
EMPWarriors were good for taking down knights. At least until your opponents stay away from the fire warriors xD
2015/09/28 12:50:34
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
And the Y'vahra is still experimental (rules) and everything is short-ranged.
Knights and any armour 13+ is tough for Tau.
Not that i really mind, they excel in firepower against about all other targets, so i hope the new big-boy will not be TOO good.
I personally am more interested in the Ghostkeel anyway.
I always prefer a flexible unit above a big and (point-wise) expensive one.
If Stealth teams also get improved (probably if you field Ghostkeel and 3 stealth teams), i will be a happy Tau player.
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2015/09/28 12:54:49
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
ORicK wrote: And the Y'vahra is still experimental (rules) and everything is short-ranged.
Knights and any armour 13+ is tough for Tau.
Not that i really mind, they excel in firepower against about all other targets, so i hope the new big-boy will not be TOO good.
I personally am more interested in the Ghostkeel anyway.
I always prefer a flexible unit above a big and (point-wise) expensive one.
If Stealth teams also get improved (probably if you field Ghostkeel and 3 stealth teams), i will be a happy Tau player.
What might be the benefit for a stealth-suit formation? Re-roll cover saves comes to mind as a pretty good rule they could gain, especially if the stealth suit retains its current rules.
Additionally, i'm wondering what the command benefits for the inevitable decurion formation will be. Free Markerlights every turn (like an old APOC formation used to do...) or possibly increased BS? Hard to tell. I'm pumped for this release! I dusted off my tau yesterday and won a local RTT with them.
Been out of the game for awhile, trying to find time to get back into it.
2015/09/28 13:12:05
Subject: Tau Rumors: New Crisis Suits? Maybe?. New FireW and 2 Giant Suits? Yep yep yep P13 for Pics
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