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 sennacherib wrote:
1. Predators with las cannons or allied obliterators for anti tank. Dakka dreads with las ml are ok but get killed quick.
2.swap out you PM and add the cultists with the pox walkers. Use the dead walk on the pox walkers and the cloud of flies. They kill cultists. You get pox walkers. Win win.
3. Not sure.
4. Give him miasma of pestilence and then use 1 cp to give him warp time saving you from allying in a sorcerer. Not sure though since I don’t use mortarion in my lists.

Thanks for the answers

PBC
Morter (3.5 shots x .583 to hit)(.769 to wound with re roll)(.66 save) (2 damage)= 2.07 damage

Entropy cannon (2 cannons. X .583 to hit with rerollt)(.769 to wound with re roll)(3.5 damage) = 3.13 wounds.

Is there some mistake with my math. This was all vs a T7 3+ save vehicle.

I think you may have accounted for the number of hits the morter is getting wrong. I'm not sure though.

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broxus wrote:

 sennacherib wrote:

broxus wrote:

 sennacherib wrote:

broxus wrote:

 sennacherib wrote:
Yes they do loose fire support ability when they advance. That’s why I usually post it up as a shooter next to a objective. It can pump out the damage each turn at range and if the enemy is foolish enough to deep strike something nearby to take the objective, well let’s just say that they don’t live long. Or at least that’s the plan.

Won’t a PBC do more damage, is harder to kill, and is cheaper? It is better to be good at either shooting or close combat, not both. I hate paying for rules I don't get to use. If they get another points drop per the rumors they may be worth looking at.

PBC only do more damage when paired with a lord with arch contaminator. They are also way less punchy in melee. Likely why defilers cost more. Real problem with defilers is that they are jack of all trades master of none.

In shooting PBC do more damage than defilers regardless of heroes. It also does more damage than a predator with 4-las cannons

Not entirely true. Predators do 5.08 wounds to tanks. Pbc do 3.82.
Pbc do in fact do about .38 wounds more to a tank than a defiler. Defiler however can re roll to hit and to wound for a whole phase for 1 cp bumping their damage output by a significant level. They are also punchier which makes them better in the back field to guard objectives, and their range is significantly longer.

Your math is wrong. Make sure you account for all three PBC weapons and account for the rerolling of ones for the mortar.

Against T7, 3+ save units a 4-las predator does 5.185 damage.
Against T7, 3+ save units a PBC does 7.388 amage.

Against T8, 3+ save units a 4-las predator does 5.185 damage.
Against T8, 3+ save units a PBC does 5.625 damage.

http://www.mathhammer8thed.com

 sennacherib wrote:
PBC
Morter (3.5 shots x .583 to hit)(.769 to wound with re roll)(.66 save) (2 damage)= 2.07 damage

Entropy cannon (2 cannons. X .583 to hit with rerollt)(.769 to wound with re roll)(3.5 damage) = 3.13 wounds.

Is there some mistake with my math. This was all vs a T7 3+ save vehicle.

I think you may have accounted for the number of hits the morter is getting wrong. I'm not sure though.

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broxus wrote:

 sennacherib wrote:

broxus wrote:

 sennacherib wrote:

broxus wrote:

 sennacherib wrote:
Yes they do loose fire support ability when they advance. That’s why I usually post it up as a shooter next to a objective. It can pump out the damage each turn at range and if the enemy is foolish enough to deep strike something nearby to take the objective, well let’s just say that they don’t live long. Or at least that’s the plan.

Won’t a PBC do more damage, is harder to kill, and is cheaper? It is better to be good at either shooting or close combat, not both. I hate paying for rules I don't get to use. If they get another points drop per the rumors they may be worth looking at.

PBC only do more damage when paired with a lord with arch contaminator. They are also way less punchy in melee. Likely why defilers cost more. Real problem with defilers is that they are jack of all trades master of none.

In shooting PBC do more damage than defilers regardless of heroes. It also does more damage than a predator with 4-las cannons

Not entirely true. Predators do 5.08 wounds to tanks. Pbc do 3.82.
Pbc do in fact do about .38 wounds more to a tank than a defiler. Defiler however can re roll to hit and to wound for a whole phase for 1 cp bumping their damage output by a significant level. They are also punchier which makes them better in the back field to guard objectives, and their range is significantly longer.

Your math is wrong. Make sure you account for all three PBC weapons and account for the rerolling of ones for the mortar.

Against T7, 3+ save units a 4-las predator does 5.185 damage.
Against T7, 3+ save units a PBC does 7.388 amage.

Against T8, 3+ save units a 4-las predator does 5.185 damage.
Against T8, 3+ save units a PBC does 5.625 damage.

http://www.mathhammer8thed.com

Did you account for the heavy slugger? I only see math for the mortar and entropy cannons.

someone ever tried larg units (8-9 models) of blightlord termies full plasma? how did they perform? thx

The bigger the unit the better it is, considering you re goin to cast miasma and blades on them, and for their resilience, 45 pts is fantastic, you just have to DS them in the middle of the field, to be sure the enemy wont run away.
IMHO plasma are too risky, better to keep them cheap with a bolter or give them Prescience with an allied sorcerer.

Bloat drone + fleshmower + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = profit?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Bloat drone + fleshmower + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = profit?

Blades only works on infantry

broxus wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Bloat drone + fleshmower + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = profit?

Blades only works on infantry

Drat. Well just virulent blessing is good (and if the herald can get close enough, +1 strength won't hurt)

Looking for synergies...

Best is Death Guard possessed.
Veterans of the Long War + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = +3 to wound.
now if only possessed were any good.

 DarklyDreaming wrote:
The bigger the unit the better it is, considering you re goin to cast miasma and blades on them, and for their resilience, 45 pts is fantastic, you just have to DS them in the middle of the field, to be sure the enemy wont run away.
IMHO plasma are too risky, better to keep them cheap with a bolter or give them Prescience with an allied sorcerer.

yes that's the plan, an allied sorcerer with warp time and preiscence, cheap is fine but just with bolters they cant do a lot to heavy armors, 10 of them 40 shots also with stratagem VOTLW cant hurt a lot veichles or MC's.

broxus wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Bloat drone + fleshmower + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = profit?

Blades only works on infantry

It works on every DG unit with a CC plague weapon, look up the description in the codex. I used it on Mortarion to thrash Girlyman twice with those sweet sweet mortal wounds. It's also nice on lawnmower drones yes.

ahhh had me doubting myself!

Captyn_Bob wrote:

broxus wrote:

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Bloat drone + fleshmower + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = profit?

Blades only works on infantry

Drat. Well just virulent blessing is good (and if the herald can get close enough, +1 strength won't hurt)

Looking for synergies...

Best is Death Guard possessed.
Veterans of the Long War + blades of Putrefaction + virulent blessing = +3 to wound.
now if only possessed were any good.

I few pages back someone mentioned giving a surgeon the relic plague sword, blades of putrification, and then popping vets of the long war on them. If it's against space marine infantry, he will have a +3 to wound I think, with +3 doing an additional mortal wound, and +4 doing 2 mortal wounds.

@ Rhyltrann I don’t bother with mathhammer for the heavy slugger vrs vehicles. The chances are very slim of even 1 wound and most of the time you have a better target. Infantry.

Lord of Contagion is 100 points without wargear now. He might be worth using now.

What do you think of the blight hauler.

I ran the math on it. They are twice as durable as a HelBrute vrs las Cannon fire and they are cheaper and faster. You can take units of three. Which has some limited benefits. They buff infantry units within 7”. I think they are ok. Anyone else have thoughts on these.

I’ve been using a trio of drones and a pair of winged princes to charge the enemy lines. Seems like 3 if these would give the ability to pressure enemy armor. Crack transports so the drones can fry the contents.

Soulburner bombard doubling in points. Normal soulburner up to 30.. eesh the dreads are looking less tastey

Yeh got burned hard as far as those go just bought 2 contemptors, guess ill go normal builds and run double kheres and double claw with ectoplasma.

 sennacherib wrote:
@ Rhyltrann I don’t bother with mathhammer for the heavy slugger vrs vehicles. The chances are very slim of even 1 wound and most of the time you have a better target. Infantry.

You should it is extra damage that does make a difference and you always do have the option to shoot at something else.


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 sennacherib wrote:
What do you think of the blight hauler.

I ran the math on it. They are twice as durable as a HelBrute vrs las Cannon fire and they are cheaper and faster. You can take units of three. Which has some limited benefits. They buff infantry units within 7”. I think they are ok. Anyone else have thoughts on these.

I’ve been using a trio of drones and a pair of winged princes to charge the enemy lines. Seems like 3 if these would give the ability to pressure enemy armor. Crack transports so the drones can fry the contents.

Biggest problem with the MBH is the PBC points reduction. Now it doesn’t seem to make any sense to take anything but PBCs. They have more durability and more firepower for almost the exact same cost. The big problem is the haulers weapon’s cost the same as the BS3 versions meaning they are overcosted by a significant amount. The melta and missile launchers should be 12pts cheaper making the MBH 130pts. The PBC’s entropy cannons are priced as BS4.

Hahah i called it back then ).

Plague Marines now 17 points, blight launcher 10 points, bubotic axe 5 points.

ABOUT time - we got proper troops now - and for reasonable points.

Also Lord of Contagion at 100 points ... without gear but with scythe its just steal now.

And Burst crawler is 10 points less.

But most importantly is that finally Deathshroud are not vastyl overpriced. I still kinda don't like they are so slow , but now they are not 75 points each at least ... (edit : now fully geared 60 points instead of 75 - honestly it's still a lot and more than some elite characters - but hey ... )

Edit 2:

After some consideration I see that your typical 2 blight launcher + plasma champion + 2 bolter dudes setup went from 137 points to 119 . That is massive improvement - and can say that they are worth it now.

Lord of Contagion now sits at 117 points with scythe - He may be worth taking now - he is credible threat where he appears and is still hard to remove ! No longer in shadow of always better Typhus. Price difference now is substantial. Typhus still very good ... but we kinda got some choice now.

Defiler/PBC - they were already not that bad after all. Can't complain 10 points less.

Deathshroud - if my eyes don't deceive me - they are 3 points less base now than Blightlords lol ... But they are still limited with weapon choices - so they are always sitting at 60 points 2 wound models. But I will play them now, because now or never haha. IF they make to combat, IF - they are deadly for sure.

Tallyman/Noxious BB - 5 points less ... i will take that - they were not stellar in performance.

Overral I'm quiet pleased. Especially with Plague Marines/Deathshroud/Lord changes. They were all overpriced as hell.

As was stated before, with Deathshrouds dropping down to 180 pts for 3, do you guys think they are now worth taking? I want to say yes. Still a tad pricey but a 45pt reduction is nice. Gives me an excuse to buy some finally. I already play 3 PBCs so I'm a happy camper.

My 3 PBC 3 foulspawn should arrive monday, very very happy now marines with plas and blight launchers are in a nice sweet spot.

Those EZY build cohort look fantastic now, i held off buying terms/shroud and 2 boxes make every squad for me(i have a spare LOC to make 3 shroud).

a question if an enemy unit is within 7" of two units affected by nurgle's gift they can take potentially 2 mw on 4+ or still just 1? thanks

The rule triggers once for every unit within 1" of a unit affected by Nurgle's Gift, no matter how many Lords of Contagion are providing the aura.

 Jidmah wrote:
The rule triggers once for every unit within 1" of a unit affected by Nurgle's Gift, no matter how many Lords of Contagion are providing the aura.

ok thx for explanation

Guys is this correct Hellforged contemptor is now 103 + 60 + 11 for 174 points with double butcher and havoc Launcher? that is huge savings. Down from 217 points.

Also Hellforged contemptor +double chain claw+soulburner=218??

If it is i retract my other post this is an awesome buff.

So happy with the points changes... Now I can utilize my Plague Marines more often!

It'll be cool to squeeze in a few more of the elites, like the Surgeon and Tallyman.

Still a pity that the Surgeon sucks, but overall I'm very happy with the changes. Looking forward to getting more use out of my Deathshroud.

Contemptor and dreadclaw are buffed to all hell!! Can anyone confirm the dreadclaw weapons are free? because that thing become so OP its not funny its a better foetid bloat drone at that points!!

I would buy 3 and drop all my bloat drones, and load them with marines or contemptors and suddenly the army has a very good chance of winning 1st turn regularly. and becomes a rediculous wall of T7 and above. The marines or dreads would sit back and let the claws assault every turn it would be ridiculous! with that 15" move and their flamer weapon you could conceivably position so that 3 dreadclaws could hit 3+ units each then assault and then use the foetid strategy of disengaging and repeat.

Hi I m thinking to start a death guard army. Can someone help out? What would be a user competitive list and how should I start ? I got Mortarion from a paint job and I love the model. I also have ad mech and guard.

Any information and help welcomed.