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Sneegy glad to see someone else with my
List run it and do good . It’s a tricky list but it can hit so hard.

Quick question: With heavy stubbers dropping to 2 points are they worth it now? 10 Neophytes with two HS could camp on objectives but I fear that they are just not viable without a vehicle to hide in. They just die so easily.

 Causalis wrote:
Quick question: With heavy stubbers dropping to 2 points are they worth it now? 10 Neophytes with two HS could camp on objectives but I fear that they are just not viable without a vehicle to hide in. They just die so easily.

Neophytes with 6++ are probably the best tanking cheap models in the game atm. I would get 2x grenade launchers on every squad for measly 6 points

Did I miss something or where did they get a 6+ invul save? Or are you referring to the Iconward with his 6+ FNP. Because he can't babysit all units across the board.

 Causalis wrote:
Quick question: With heavy stubbers dropping to 2 points are they worth it now? 10 Neophytes with two HS could camp on objectives but I fear that they are just not viable without a vehicle to hide in. They just die so easily.

Neophytes are unlikely to do any meaningful shooting. That said, upgrading two autoguns to heavy stubbers adds a little dakka for less points than one extra neophyte, so I'd say it is worth it if you plan to shoot at all. (One H-stubber standing still will average 0,25 dead spacemarines.) HW-team with mortar is also an option if you are hiding and camping objectives in the back field.

They do indeed die easily. If I need them to survive I prefer to bring more for the points, rather than giving them a transport. One goliath truck costs about as much as two units of Neophytes.

 Causalis wrote:
Did I miss something or where did they get a 6+ invul save? Or are you referring to the Iconward with his 6+ FNP. Because he can't babysit all units across the board.

He babysits the Neophyte units...this is his only role atm and he is damn efficient at doing so

Yes he does. But he can't babysit all of the squads. Unless we buy multiple Iconwards. He's also one of the worse Icon-carriers out there. Other Icons let the models shoot/fight again before dying, ignore morale altogether, give - 1 to being hit etc.

A 6+ FNP barely does anything noteworthy. It most certainly won't stop a Neophyte squad from dying in droves so I don't really see how he is "damn efficient". Love the model though and I hope we can buff him in the codex somehow.

 Causalis wrote:
Yes he does. But he can't babysit all of the squads. Unless we buy multiple Iconwards. He's also one of the worse Icon-carriers out there. Other Icons let the models shoot/fight again before dying, ignore morale altogether, give - 1 to being hit etc.

A 6+ FNP barely does anything noteworthy. It most certainly won't stop a Neophyte squad from dying in droves so I don't really see how he is "damn efficient". Love the model though and I hope we can buff him in the codex somehow.

With the relic banner though he gives +1str Which is super useful for genestealers letting them wound everything on a 5+ max is very useful.

I'm having a hard time trying to plan out the future. Obviously, without codex information, that's likely to be the case.

However, here's my dilemma.

I very much want to be running a detachment of AM using the new emperor's wrath formation, and part of me really wants to use the anointed ones as well, just because I love the stratagem.

So we're sold on a GSC Detachment of either a Battalion or a Supreme Command, and an AM Batallion.

What do I look into for the third detachment?

It's currently hard to pick between either expanding a GSC Batallion to include more and more units (which may likely be the case once the codex drops, that could prove to be the best choice.) or do I pursue a Tyranid detachment?

Sure is hard to say no to the Swarmlord and 2x20 Genestealers now that Swarmy dropped to 250. That's some real teeth. On the same token, Kronos Hive Guard on top of tons of brood brothers mortars and a wyvern as well as GSC mortars just brings tons of indirect fire to the party, and that sounds quite appealing.

It's a rough spot, boys.

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Keeping tabs for the tournament details!

Broodlords are probably going to replace Neurothropes in most allied detachments. The price difference compared to what you get is much more competitive now.

Of course, going by current points costs Patriarchs will end up even cheaper in the codex, so the obligatory allied nids micht end up unnecessary.

I'm torn on that, purchase wise. Patriarchs really do need a drop, and without one I can't see myself bothering with Purestrains over Aberrants.

Here's hoping it's nearly as drastic.

Darkwynn wrote:Sneegy glad to see someone else with my
List run it and do good . It’s a tricky list but it can hit so hard.

indeed, I was running something not a million miles from this list but with a lot more neophytes instead of the transports before your major win. You put me onto the Chimeras and it really does help the list with the first few turns. I assume you are doing LVO with the Genestealer Cult? I'll be taking mine down there, be interesting to have a beer and see how we get on.

Rheel wrote:Keeping tabs for the tournament details!

Ha ha sorry folks I got distracted. I've actually done an interview on a podcast which is due to go out on tuesday I believe and am scheduling in an interview on twitch in the next week or so. Might be easier if I just link those here rather than try and type out an essay on how everything went?

If people have specific questions I'm happy to answer them of course.

Badablack wrote:Broodlords are probably going to replace Neurothropes in most allied detachments. The price difference compared to what you get is much more competitive now.

Of course, going by current points costs Patriarchs will end up even cheaper in the codex, so the obligatory allied nids micht end up unnecessary.

I'm not saying I'm painting a second broodlord as we speak. But I'm not, not doing that.

For sure Sneggy. I think next step for me to look at is Pyrovores

I incorporated the new stuff from Vigilus Defiant in the main post.

Just musing, but I think the Deliverance Broodsurge is better than we might have initially suspected. Reckless Maneuver is going to be really nice as a compliment to the newly cheaper Swarmlord as a way to get two threats up the table in the enemy's face turn 1. Should be able to slingshot a unit of ‘stealers or gaunts up to lock things down and then deploy Acolytes with weapons for armor cracking. Admittedly I am biased since I already run a lot of trucks, but the individual components look like they have potential for shenanigans.

I'll try to go over the points adjustments in chapter approved as well. I suspect most of them are just copying the AM points adjustments but we'll see...

Yeah I don’t think any of our stuff was changed in chapter Approved other than what changed for astra militarum as well.

I've only managed the briefest of looks though Vigilus Defiant, but it is there any reason a Brood Brothers detachment couldn't use the AM specialist detachments?

The (four-armed) emperor's artillery detachment could be good with it's ignore overwatch stratagem.

Nope. Brood brothers changes the regiment, not the faction, so it's 100% usable.

Anointed Thron and Four Armed Emperor's Artillery for life.

Nids player *takes notes*

Nick Rose won another large event with GSC. Can't wait to see his list.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Nick Rose won another large event with GSC. Can't wait to see his list.

It’s the same list as before, as far as I can tell. Seems to be doing a lot of work for him.

What was the event?

Battle for the Shield GT or something along those lines.

Yep same list as last time. Went against knights, orks and tau. Pulled it through and landed it near the end.

Very nice work.
I was told by the events team at Warhammer World during the Heat 3 awards that they would pass on to the rules writers not to bother giving us a codex as we are clearly fine without.
We'd best calm down for a bit Nick before we cost these poor fellows a new codex!

No, no, clearly they need to let Nick write the codex because the man can somehow work almost literal trash to his advantage. Lol

I won't argue that the book is pretty bad ! One reason I think its doing so well as it sits right outside the cusp of the meta and is becoming a spolier army. We have to maximize everything we can get. One of the reasons why I enjoy the list so much is I can't make a single mistake. If I do... its game over

Darkwynn wrote:
I won't argue that the book is pretty bad ! One reason I think its doing so well as it sits right outside the cusp of the meta and is becoming a spolier army. We have to maximize everything we can get. One of the reasons why I enjoy the list so much is I can't make a single mistake. If I do... its game over

I agree, makes it really interesting. You really feel you earn the results too. No point and click here.
I also found it helped that a lot of people simply dont understand what Genestealer cult can do. Its one thing explaining to people how it works at the start of the game. Its another entirely experiencing it. The difference between how my regular opponents play vs my cult and how strangers at events do is incredible.

Darkwynn wrote:
I won't argue that the book is pretty bad ! One reason I think its doing so well as it sits right outside the cusp of the meta and is becoming a spolier army. We have to maximize everything we can get. One of the reasons why I enjoy the list so much is I can't make a single mistake. If I do... its game over

How do you feel on the cusp of the book?

Looking at more melee tyranid allies or the shooty/hive guard option?

Obviously no way to know until the codex is ready, but I'm personally super torn.