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 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

Shining Spears could be added to Windriders with the addition of spears. Maybe some new heads.

Dire Avengers, Guardians, Storm Guardians, Striking Scorpions and Fire Dragons all basically use the same body. The only difference are the heads and arms. Leave Guardians as is, then make a Striking Scorpions/Storm Guardians box and a Fire Dragons/Dire Avenger box.

Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers, could go together. They have similar poses (dudes holding a fatty weapon). The big issue is how large the Spiders' backpack is.

That really only leaves Banshees. I could see GW making a new Aspect Warrior that uses the same body. Maybe some kind of fast, lithe shooty unit.

I would think in order to sell the model, the bonesinger would be about 50pts as well and able to repair and smite, not either or...

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I would think in order to sell the model, the bonesinger would be about 50pts as well and able to repair and smite, not either or...

The Bonesinger is a fabled collector's item, a limited edition model from years ago. They were going to sell well even if they hadn't gotten any rules at all.

They did release a PDF. That's nice.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I would think in order to sell the model, the bonesinger would be about 50pts as well and able to repair and smite, not either or...

Before the reprint was announced, the model was going for 50-90 bucks on ebay. This guy will sell like hot cakes, regardless of its rules.

 Cream Tea wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I would think in order to sell the model, the bonesinger would be about 50pts as well and able to repair and smite, not either or...

The Bonesinger is a fabled collector's item, a limited edition model from years ago. They were going to sell well even if they hadn't gotten any rules at all.

God forbid they don't give a collector item broken rules.

 Red_Five wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:
Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.

Shining Spears could be added to Windriders with the addition of spears. Maybe some new heads.

Dire Avengers, Guardians, Storm Guardians, Striking Scorpions and Fire Dragons all basically use the same body. The only difference are the heads and arms. Leave Guardians as is, then make a Striking Scorpions/Storm Guardians box and a Fire Dragons/Dire Avenger box.

Warp Spiders and Dark Reapers, could go together. They have similar poses (dudes holding a fatty weapon). The big issue is how large the Spiders' backpack is.

That really only leaves Banshees. I could see GW making a new Aspect Warrior that uses the same body. Maybe some kind of fast, lithe shooty unit.

It was a very odd decision to not make the Windriders a dual Shining Spear kit. I'm guessing it was simply an oversight rather than a conscious decision.

I think we have to accept some level of aesthetic homogenisation if we want plastic Aspect Warriors. Then it becomes a practical question of which Aspects couple well together in a dual kit. The main issue here isn't so much matching each Aspect with another but finding a combination of three different sets of two which work. Banshees and Hawks is a no brainer. Then the two most viable options are FD+DR and WS+SS or WS+DR and FD+SS. I prefer the first as I think WS lend themselves more to the more dynamic poses of a close combat unit such as SS.

Personally I still love the current line but not in Finecast and Pewter versions seem to cost a fortune on Ebay.

Folks who keep quoting $100K for a mold are out of touch with reality. MAX per full size mold sprue is $20K USD and that is with them made in the USA. The 20K is also NOT the norm, the norm is under $10K. I'm sure even those of us with several metal and resin aspects would rebuy new plastics!

This is more a case of GW not wanting multi-part kits (they're still trying to smush the bitz sites) and remove focus from the bread and butter marines.

I too bought Made to Order bonesingers with 1-2 already in my collection, just for the parts and conversions!

Meh, should have just made him FW and be 40 pts with a 2+ I save

Plus the model itself isn't bad as a stand-in for a Farseer or anything. You don't HAVE to use it as a Bonesinger. Just make sure you're consistent about wargear and stuff and literally no opponent will care.

Plastic Aspects could be dual kitted with other Aspects, Dark Eldar units (Scorpions/Incubi), and/or new Ynnari units.

Splog wrote:
Plastic Aspects could be dual kitted with other Aspects, Dark Eldar units (Scorpions/Incubi), and/or new Ynnari units.

You'd have to make the dual kits based on poses/roles - leaping/agile --> banshees and hawks, with different torsos ala WHFB shadow warriors/avelorn rangers
heavy and slow --> reapers and dragons. You'd have to change up the feet or something to make things noticeable
medium +dynamic poses --> spiders and scorpions
Then chuck an extra sprue for shining spears into the jetbikes at bear minimum
leave avengers as is but put 10 in a box again
+/- new aspect, Khaine in his aspect of a fractured old man who's a part-time jobber to make ends meet

On topic, I'm more interested in the power levels, which seem to be ignored- I'd like to know what's going on with that as I'm going to take part in a slow grow league using those as a better balance than $$ cost or points cost. It's 25PL to begin, but the index PL values put the SC! Craftworlds as >25

Edited for typos

How much did the price for a warlock / farseer jetbike go down?

Still 50 points, or something less?

Splog wrote:
Plastic Aspects could be dual kitted with other Aspects, Dark Eldar units (Scorpions/Incubi), and/or new Ynnari units.

Yeah. But that's not how GW rolls these days. They didn't just release a plastic kit for an elite choice Eldar slot like Harlequins or an elite choice slot like Plague Marines/Rubric Marines. They turned all those into complete (mini-)armies. Presumably they'd do the same or nothing for Aspects.

Voss wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/24/free-rules-for-the-craftworlds-bonesingergw-homepage-post-2/

Rule for Bonesinger out.

Oh, so they can put point values on data sheets after all.
Why the didn't they just do that in the first place, rather than fiddling about with an absurdist's nightmare of cross-referencing!

I’ve switched to using the enhanced edition versions. These shoe the points when you click on a unit’s force org symbol. Way more convenient.

The problem with cross referencing was when there are loads of options to cost. Try adding up the price of a repulsor, for instance.

Wonderwolf wrote:

Splog wrote:
Plastic Aspects could be dual kitted with other Aspects, Dark Eldar units (Scorpions/Incubi), and/or new Ynnari units.

Yeah. But that's not how GW rolls these days. They didn't just release a plastic kit for an elite choice Eldar slot like Harlequins or an elite choice slot like Plague Marines/Rubric Marines. They turned all those into complete (mini-)armies. Presumably they'd do the same or nothing for Aspects.

Aspects aren’t a sub faction though they’re a main part of the craftworld armies.

funny when I ordered mine the GW staffer said "how many" lol I just got 1. I still have the old metal Synth and Harp Bonsingers (3) from my 2nd edition days.

Curious how many wounds does the marine tech repair guy have? 4 as well?

I think the Bonesinger will be better suited to healing a Wave Serpent than a lot of the other 'wraith' constructs since they are so hard to put down anyways.


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ISTHRA KASRA IS A WAY BETTER BoneSeer/BoneSinger weapon name than a psytronome shaper.

Anyways that is what the old name of it was when the first rules were released.

Ehldar wrote:
Folks who keep quoting $100K for a mold are out of touch with reality. MAX per full size mold sprue is $20K USD and that is with them made in the USA. The 20K is also NOT the norm, the norm is under $10K. I'm sure even those of us with several metal and resin aspects would rebuy new plastics!

This is more a case of GW not wanting multi-part kits (they're still trying to smush the bitz sites) and remove focus from the bread and butter marines.

I too bought Made to Order bonesingers with 1-2 already in my collection, just for the parts and conversions!

Sorry but that’s demonstrably nonsense.

GW has released a tonne of multi-part kits in the last year alone, and even more if you go back over the last 3 years.

 General Kroll wrote:

Ehldar wrote:
Folks who keep quoting $100K for a mold are out of touch with reality. MAX per full size mold sprue is $20K USD and that is with them made in the USA. The 20K is also NOT the norm, the norm is under $10K. I'm sure even those of us with several metal and resin aspects would rebuy new plastics!

This is more a case of GW not wanting multi-part kits (they're still trying to smush the bitz sites) and remove focus from the bread and butter marines.

I too bought Made to Order bonesingers with 1-2 already in my collection, just for the parts and conversions!

Sorry but that’s demonstrably nonsense.

GW has released a tonne of multi-part kits in the last year alone, and even more if you go back over the last 3 years.

I have purchased a few of the Primaris kits. They are all muli-part plastic kits ,but they are also fixed posed so kit bashing using bits is not as easy as it was with the old marine kits. I could see this being a strategy to sell more whole kits as the parts aren't as valuable anymore.

Meh, GW completely incapable of correctly costing their models, as usual.

We still don't know what's up with the new Start collecting box? On the GW online store it says: "This is a great-value box set that gives you an immediate collection of fantastic Aeldari miniatures, which you can assemble and use right away in games of Warhammer 40,000!".
But I didn't hear any rumors about different battlefield roles, so that box seems to still be unable to produce a battleforged force.

fresus wrote:
We still don't know what's up with the new Start collecting box? On the GW online store it says: "This is a great-value box set that gives you an immediate collection of fantastic Aeldari miniatures, which you can assemble and use right away in games of Warhammer 40,000!".
But I didn't hear any rumors about different battlefield roles, so that box seems to still be unable to produce a battleforged force.

Two people grabbing random start collecting boxes that fit their personal tastes and duelling with them aren't going to care about being battleforged, anyone else will probably grab some extra stuff.

Figured I'd try to move the 'Will they make Plastic Aspects ever'/'How will they dual-kit them'/'What would it cost' to here:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/742981.page#9665924

Because they aren't rumors. They're discussion of possibilities (and a bit of daydreaming).

I wish they’d have added the Phoenix lords but in metal to the made to order, people are paying more than double the cost of the fine cast Webstore only versions in ebay.

fresus wrote:
We still don't know what's up with the new Start collecting box? On the GW online store it says: "This is a great-value box set that gives you an immediate collection of fantastic Aeldari miniatures, which you can assemble and use right away in games of Warhammer 40,000!".
But I didn't hear any rumors about different battlefield roles, so that box seems to still be unable to produce a battleforged force.

It doesn't say anything about being a battleforged army just that you can use the models in 40k - which you can.

changemod wrote:

fresus wrote:
We still don't know what's up with the new Start collecting box? On the GW online store it says: "This is a great-value box set that gives you an immediate collection of fantastic Aeldari miniatures, which you can assemble and use right away in games of Warhammer 40,000!".
But I didn't hear any rumors about different battlefield roles, so that box seems to still be unable to produce a battleforged force.

Two people grabbing random start collecting boxes that fit their personal tastes and duelling with them aren't going to care about being battleforged, anyone else will probably grab some extra stuff.

This seems to have been a common misconception, although deliberate vagueness from GW is probably closer to the truth.

8E had lots of "free rules" being touted, yet it turns out that the free rules are only for basic, non-points, play, and that should not have suprised anyone.

The term "Start Collecting" is exactly what it says, its a place to start getting into 40K, playing some basic simple games, whilst also providing existing players with a discounted source of units.

Sure, nothing on the box says you'll be able to play in matched play. It probably includes the rules for the units inside, which makes it playable with the free 40K pdf.
But it's still very odd that this is the only start collecting that can't be fielded as a patrol detachment. They only put plastic models in SC boxes, but dire avengers are about the same price as a war walker (1€ difference…), and are also an older plastic kit.

So I pre ordered the codex but when do they ship? I haven't seen a date

 Rahshen wrote:
So I pre ordered the codex but when do they ship? I haven't seen a date

It's right there on the Product Page:

Availability: Pre-order product that will ship on Oct 28, 2017

I believe they normally ship on release date - they're not pre-shipped to arrive on release date. At least not that I'm aware.