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2006/09/26 04:53:28
Subject: Torn between two versions of my paratrooper guard lists, need help
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Dakka Veteran
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Okay, I re-examined my Abhuman paratrooper list, and it occured to me that, if I were to drop Afriel Strain, and specialized the Veterans a little more, I could free up the points and doctrines to add in a pair of Special Weapons squads, which would be the perfect place to put some dropping meltaguns, since Special Weapons squads can't take Plasma Guns.
The problem is, I am completely torn about the decision to lose Afriel Strain, and I'm not sure which list would preform better. I'll post up both lists so that you can see them both.
Thoughts?
(The kasway Wildcats) (1846 Points) Model Count: 166
Doctrines: Drop Troops, Close Order Drill, Special Weapon Squads, and Veterans.
Command Platoon:
Command Squad (81 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns.
Special Weapon Squad (80 Points)
3 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 3 Guardsmen with Meltagun.
Special Weapon Squad (80 Points)
3 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 3 Guardsmen with Meltagun.
Hardened Veterans:
4 Veterans with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun. Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (100 Points)
Hardened Veterans:
4 Veterans with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun. Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (100 Points)
Hardened Veterans:
4 Veterans with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun. Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (100 Points)
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (81 Points)
Val’vre Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Valkyries with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (92 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (88 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (81 Points)
Val’vre Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Valkyries with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (92 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (88 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (81 Points)
Val’vre Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Valkyries with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (92 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (88 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (81 Points)
Val’vre Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Valkyries with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (92 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (88 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (81 Points)
Val’vre Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Valkyries with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (92 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (88 Points)
7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Here's the original list:
The Kasway Wildcats (1850 Points) Model Count: 157
Doctrines:
Restricted Troops: Abhumans, Afriel Strain, Drop Troops, Close Order Drill, and Veterans.
Command Platoon:
Command Squad (86 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns.
Hardened Veterans:
4 Veterans with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun, 1 Veteran with Missile Launcher. Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (128 Points)
Hardened Veterans:
4 Veterans with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun, 1 Veteran with Missile Launcher. Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (128 Points)
Hardened Veterans:
4 Veterans with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun, 1 Veteran with Missile Launcher. Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (128 Points)
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (86 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardmen with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (97 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (93 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (86 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardmen with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (97 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (93 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (86 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardmen with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (97 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (93 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (86 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardmen with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (97 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (93 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Platoon:
Command Squad (86 Points)
Junior Officer with Boltgun, 4 Guardmen with Plasma Guns.
Infantry Squad (97 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Meltagun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
Infantry Squad (93 Points)
7 Guardmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardmen with Flamer, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
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2006/09/26 05:42:49
Subject: RE: Torn between two versions of my paratrooper guard lists, need help
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Dakka Veteran
The Hammer
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Iron Discipline might help to make up for the loss of ATSKNF, but take this with a grain of salt as I don't know all-drop IG as well as certain others.
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2006/09/26 05:44:27
Subject: RE: Torn between two versions of my paratrooper guard lists, need help
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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1)Meltas and flamers should not be put in line squads with heavy weapons. Keep them in the command sqads, and move the plasma to the line squads
2)Harded vets should not have a heavy weapon in a drop list. They will never get to shoot it. They will be dead the turn after they land.
3)No improved comms? Even if you grab a single sentinal with a multi-laser it is worth it. Remember they can deep strike as well, and that re-roll is worth it in a list like this.
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2006/09/26 07:58:09
Subject: RE: Torn between two versions of my paratrooper guard lists, need help
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Dakka Veteran
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Okay, I've re-written the list with your suggestions.
<strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">(1848 Points)[/b]<strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"> Model Count: 160 [/b] <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Doctrines: [/b]Drop Troops, Close Order Drill, Special Weapons Squads, Iron Discipline, and Veterans. <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Command Platoon: [/b] Command Squad (86 Points) Junior Officer with Iron Discipline, Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns. Special Weapon Support Squad (80 Points) 3 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 3 Guardsmen with Meltaguns. Special Weapon Support Squad (80 Points) 3 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 3 Guardsmen with Meltaguns. <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Hardened Veterans: [/b] 2 Veteran with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun, Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (84 Points) <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Hardened Veterans: [/b] 2 Veteran with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun, Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (84 Points) <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Hardened Veterans: [/b] 2 Veteran with Lasgun, 3 Veterans with Plasma Gun, Veteran Sergeant has Boltgun. (84 Points) <strong style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Infantry Platoon: [/b] Command Squad (86 Points) Junior Officer with Iron Discipline, Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Platoon: Command Squad (86 Points) Junior Officer with Iron Discipline, Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Platoon: Command Squad (86 Points) Junior Officer with Iron Discipline, Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Platoon: Command Squad (86 Points) Junior Officer with Iron Discipline, Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Platoon: Command Squad (86 Points) Junior Officer with Iron Discipline, Boltgun, 4 Guardsmen with Plasma Guns. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun. Infantry Squad (92 Points) 7 Guardsmen with Lasgun, 1 Guardsmen with Plasma Gun, 1 with Missile Launcher, Veteran Sergeant with Boltgun.
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