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I doubt AdMech is going to be nerfed via points. They may do minor buffs, but that's it.
   
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PDX

Suzuteo wrote:
I doubt AdMech is going to be nerfed via points. They may do minor buffs, but that's it.


Except for the whole thing where Cawl is getting nerfed via points.

   
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Yeah Cawl going up in points is interesting. I found him useful where he currently is, if he goes up by more than 25pts, it's gonna get pretty tough to justify him over a dominus.
   
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Greece

Crap as always. No real design or serious excuses.Only becuase players decide to play the models? what should we do put a dominus and go down the ladder more? i dont get it we dont have any hq options and they increase the points.ho is the genius in this company that does not see the obvious.

2 hq only tax no real buff .Not even like a sergetnt buff no synergy between our dogmas the only thing they see point increase .If you are demented you just cant change.
From codex till chapter trash ad mech.A single option to make a dakka line and thats overcosted now. We gotta buy only what they want period. They give index to sell onagers then codex to sell priests they release single model Cawl goes out of stock and then nerf him. Clowns a company of clowns.
and they will do this crap yearly with chapter approved i guess they just wanna sell all boxes each semester.

Nothing to do with game nothing to do with community nothing with game balance .Nothing at all. Cawl was nerfed already a simple buffer for trash canticles with no real tankish stats as it was once and now overcosted. Can we play with out hq? what you want ad mech to do .Stop playing what is the f design stupid company ok codex was released fast and didnt had enough playtest ok i tolerated enough stupid value codex . Now this crap.And still the lot of this ad mech community here justify it. well sorry i just wont tolerate it again from these clowns. Wont w8 whne the company decide what they wanna sell next so i can see a faq buffing a unit.The ARMY is broken badly. Its unplayable has zero fun zero Synergy and who ever has a decent respect for tabletop better play somethign else period.

I dont care about being the top army but i do care of having fun playing it. I will not tolerate one list and one option no more. Dust for my ad mech no more fun here.

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Hey lets keep it cool in here guys so we don't get this thread killed, please?

Legit this thread is the only thing I care about on dakkadakka. If it gets banned again I'll leave and not come back.

 
   
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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Suzuteo wrote:
I doubt AdMech is going to be nerfed via points. They may do minor buffs, but that's it.


Except for the whole thing where Cawl is getting nerfed via points.

I see that was a general Triumvirate nerf though. Celestine and Guilliman also got nerfs. I would be surprised if they nerfed the faction.
   
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PDX

 LexOdin9 wrote:
Hey lets keep it cool in here guys so we don't get this thread killed, please?

Legit this thread is the only thing I care about on dakkadakka. If it gets banned again I'll leave and not come back.


Eh, we are all just complaining about GW, not going after each other.

   
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Greece

I m done with a mech 1-2-1000. Every single option can be done better from other armies with more synergy more fun and easy to do. With simple lists playstyle using all your options from troops and hq. With various options with lists and fun play. Why the f@@ play the broken crap always stupidly designed. One war convocation 7th one dakka list 8th and its the same all over again. Broken Broken broken tax and nothing as result.Nothing. Any serious list from marines ork you name it chaos will run you through with 2 units of elite melee units. gg design for crap. they playtested all armies Liers

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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
 LexOdin9 wrote:
Hey lets keep it cool in here guys so we don't get this thread killed, please?

Legit this thread is the only thing I care about on dakkadakka. If it gets banned again I'll leave and not come back.


Eh, we are all just complaining about GW, not going after each other.


The mods are hair-trigger here though. Don't want to give them even one reason for them to exercise their authority.

 
   
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Enginseer with a Wrench





Wow, well aren’t we all just a bundle of doom and gloom lol.

I appreciate why they might increase points for models in armies that get used all the time, the problem with ours is that we don’t have a plethora of options to fall back on like most other armies. But we’re also one of the few armies with something to look forward to; as pessimistic as we may be fires of cyraxus is still on its way, it is a book focussing on us, tau and red scorpions. No other armies have that on the horizon. The fact that we lack several aspects in our list that other armies already have means there’s plenty of scope for improvement.

It’s logical to assume that if our only good hq gets a points increase other options would be made more attractive. Despite what you all say I don’t see any significant evidence that GW has totally given up on admech. Of all the imperium factions only us, sisters, inquisition and smurfs got specific new characters recently.

Sure our codex was a rushed hash job and it’s going to take a lot for it to be as competitive as some of us may like. But as much as we’d like for them to roll out a whole slew of new models all at once that’s not a good practice in any business model. You cannot measure success accurately or promote sustainable growth if you flood your ‘market’ with lots of new things all at once. It’s one of the newest factions andthere are over a dozen other armies everyone is also screaming for updates, new models and improvements to. We are not the only ones.

This doesn’t help or alleviate our frustrations, but i’m no pessimist, until they show us what’s through the door there’s no sense in doom-talking like we know what they have in store for us. Today’s chapter approved update they specifically mention under used units are a focal point for improvement; that’s good news for us because 70% of our army is underused !

So we’re getting points drops to units that we might not have considered before because they weren’t efficient enough for their rules. We also haven’t seen the rest of the matched play rules updates, we already know character targeting is getting tweaked and also that there are forgeworld updates in this book. Decreasing other armies options or ability to abuse the rules is tantamount to increasing armies that weren’t able to previously capitalise.

I know I said I’m not a pessimist, but I’m not all that optimistic that secutarii will be included. They weren’t ever in an imperial armour book, so I think it’ll take a forge world book release, like fires of cyraxus for example, to get an 8th datasheet for them. Or as mentioned an imperial knight codex. Again, we are not the only ones lacking forge world rules for 8th edition.

Every update they release has little gems of hope for improvement, you just have to keep an open mind.

   
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Yes, thank you Octovol.

I'm also not quite ready to jump on the old doom-and-gloom train, don't get me wrong, it's quite likely that we won't get the tweaks required to make us competitive enough but I'm not really ready to say that it's going to be all negative simply because of a cawl point increase. Look, was Cawl undercosted? Maybe not, but he was overused, so as long as TPD drops in points I don't really have to much of an issue with it.

The thing I'm hoping for is that all units will have more parity on a viability scale and if they look at which units sell they can probably getr some idea about what need improving (though hopefully they'll have more methods than that since infiltrators and ruststalkers are in the same box) So point tweaks all around might be enough to shake some life up in this army. The only thing I'm upset they didn't include in the codex and that I feel unlikely to be added in CA is a TPD on an ironstrider. That would have been awesome, and might have added several new tactics to admech, like the option of having an uber-mobile unit of balistariis running around buffed by a character harassing the backfield.

Oh well, hopefully Cawls new point cost won't be too large and will be balanced (or more than balanced out) by other point changes.
   
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Illinois

All hail the Omnissiah!! May its binary choir guide us through this turbulent time. May it lower the costs of Breachers and Destroyers by 5 points base. May it make Breachers Hydraulic Press either grant AP-3 and D3 damage like the powerfists its supposed to be or make it it no suffer -1 to hit.
May his 0 grace make ruststalkers reborn into a wholly different ruleset. And bless the Infiltrators with w significant points decrease. My the might 1 favor our HQs and grant a points decrease to both the Dominus his ever loving servant and his propagator the Tech priest to wheres they are no longer overcosted. May the holy machien ghost bless thy first born servitors to cost only 8 pts with servo arm.

My its holy divine logic place reason and logic into the minds of the rules writers to bring back all the weapons and tools so callously stripped from us, his loyal servants our wargear we so desire. A moment of silence for Dataspikes, infoskuls, and Onager melee weapons/repir kits.

Despite these hardships, we gave thanks to thee Omnissiah, for despite our forlorn disposition, we have the coolest looking army in the game. Ahem.

8th Overhaul!
Over 18,000 SM
Over 7000 Tyranids
About 3000 Genestealer cult
About 6000 IG
About 2500 Chaos
About 5000 Skitarii/Admech *Current focus
About 3000 Deamons
2 Imperial Knigts... Soon to be a third

 
   
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Hyperspace

A curse upon the hereteks of Games Workshop for blaspheming against our sacred cause. They have made my Infiltrators utterly ineffectual. In every game I’ve played with them, they charge a unit, prime their powerswords, and bounce right off. No kills, and wiped out. Always.

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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
 
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
So if chapter approved ends up being bad for us... do we have to use it in tournaments or can we opt not to?
Really? Could say the same about the codex change to conscripts.

Seriously, that's such a childish attitude to have.
that doesn't answer the question, is it going to be the tournament standard or not? Your attitude is not appreciated


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 LexOdin9 wrote:
 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
 LexOdin9 wrote:
Hey lets keep it cool in here guys so we don't get this thread killed, please?

Legit this thread is the only thing I care about on dakkadakka. If it gets banned again I'll leave and not come back.


Eh, we are all just complaining about GW, not going after each other.


The mods are hair-trigger here though. Don't want to give them even one reason for them to exercise their authority.
word, every little thing sets them off. I've been warned for making a joke that everyone but the mods got and wasn't even controversial.... in this thread. BTW the mods consider ANY FTFY posts as intentionally offensive. The joke goes right over their head.


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Octovol wrote:

Sure our codex was a rushed hash job


here's something i've been wondering for a while now. Why? not just Admech, EVERY codex has been rushed. it's been book after book week after week from the 8th edition release. once their done probably early feb what is GW going to do until 9th? no new books traditionally would mean no new units but that just isn't an option for a company like GW.... so what's next?

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Been Around the Block




I mean we still have Fires of Cyraxis right? thats early next year I think or so eveything seems to point to and while an expensive fix in terms of cost we will be getting access to some pretty cool stuff.

Also maybe they will do some points reductions on some stuff, they are with plauge marines etc.

2500+ pts of Ad Mech
2000+ pts of Deathwatch
2000+ pts of Skaven 
   
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How many points could GW increase cawl by and still have him be viable? For me it's up to 25 but I don't play competitively.
   
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KY, US

He's certainly not worth 300.

I dont think he's worth 275 either.

My binary be all like 000 111 000

   
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Greece

Most of you don't really get it. It's not a simple change of points. We have no other option. Forget auras range point bla bla +1 -1 canticles. New codex gave most armies a -1 to hit. We could make a competitive almost dakka line cause of Cawl. Cause his text writes reroll all hits. All. Giving your bad bs 4+ vs air you don't have vs -1 hit you need to pay to have vs your bad balistic on robots kataphrons and generally Cawl was the only viable way to ensure you could get a dakka line able to withstand different armies.

Wanna imagine all you that say it's ok we gonna take dominus what will you list do if need again. To get icarus and neutrons etc etc etc . If we didn't have enough points to play before with super powered Cawl in a defence dakka line you won't stand even the simpliest of chances now.

The codex is broken. There is no other army that can't customise his army list he and detachments like ad mech.

Why cause you don't have nothing. No flier for -1 mobility unit. Moving 20 bla bla. No run charge no transports no psychers. All these options where diminished cause you had an opportunity neutron and Cawl. Now guard got Los weapons with bs 4+ cheap troops. Elite units that can buff melee or buff dakka or moral or both. Regiments to improve your playstyle. You got what??
What?? What does ad meh have vs any super competitive army.

I remove Cawl. For 2 dominus you get what? Robots bs 5+ vs enemy chars? Rerolling ones good luck. You gonna rush Dragoons on a flier?? You can't.
Vs pshychers wanna see what mortal spam does to dominus and robots?? What you gonna fit icarus and neutrons all over again? So what bs 4 icarus for real? Kataphrons bs 4+ reduced cost why so you die every plasma shot? What arc enemy transports with str 6? No Cawl you go worse shooting than guard why cause you just got same bs over the board and you don't shoot twice nor los. Good luck with your dominus crap.

You removed Cawl great trash now all bs 4+ . For what so gw can see we only got dominus and he will do what . What take his crap relic and go die. Single shot. Can't range can't melee no buff can't heal other dogmas can't buff other dogmas . Do what exactly 100 points dominus so what will you get brigade ? Got any free relics for cp? The codex is bad we got. Nothing to prevent us from taking a cheap company commander for 5+/5+ cp . Nothing better than default deep strike tempestus. Nothing vs flier vs enemy chars. Every single enemy char pass through your lines? You will do what with 6-7-8 command points? Inf dominus inf Dragoons priests? What. And every single unit paper. Even if you do so paper units no options no buffs no sergents no reroll nothing. We struggled with Cawl to get a proper fight and now again all over crap?

I don't know what exactly you want out of cyraxus or gw but this codex is hardly fun. It's gone beyond fluff beyond competitive? They make an experiment and they laugh with guard in our face. Marines more elite guard more dice we just don't have a spot in a d6 system. Orders rock canticles suck. And we got Cawl nerfed in new edition and now out of lists. It was almost bad to get Cawl with few units now?? What 300 point Cawl would be effective to buff now?

5 point reduction to kataphrons and do what? More dominus to do what? Exactly walk then on the board cause bs4 with no Cawl makes you worse than guard before you even start about no hq no auras no options . None of your units got any ability. Any all need to pay cp . And even then still no run charge no invu no psyck defence nothing basics. Deep strike inf bla bla pay for them. With what enginseers . They forced us to use the dead weight already now dominus . Sad but even 30 points less even 15 point more on Cawl is really bad. You just can't make changes like that when not all armies are the same. You want ad mech versatile with cp then give a different option on cp gain bla bla. Rest are clown talk. Point for point you better off play Marines or guard as is it is from now on. Or just sit and get beaten up. Any serious list beat this enginseers dominus crap.

Played vs chaos? Seen guard lists on table? Marines ? Blood angels tyraninds orks what you gonna play vs and have fun when you cry from npan enemy troop. No options Cawl star no more ad mech no more good luck in a year or two again. Maybe then they will fix the onager typo chart . Dream on they even bother with what you say. Only thing they see are stock and sales. Now they need to sell faq and sell. I'm sorry won't go there. Marines and eldar and care kess
   
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Roboute went up 20 points in the leaks. If Cawl goes up 20 points he is still auto include. The Cawl nerfs suck, but if other way out of line crap is nerfed too then it won't be soooo bad. The malefic lord nerf will tone down a lot of the chaos lists. I will say that if Morty/Magnus stay the same ... then admech will be in a near retirement state. Cawl + dakkastar was only hope of dealing enough mortal wounds to keep up with high invul save units. I will decide whether I buy my LVO ticket based on chapter approved. I predict that I will likely be running something like I posted earlier:

STYGIES
TPD + 3x1 Icarus + 1x4 dragoons

CADIA
commanders + 3x10 guardsmen + many, many artillery

CADIA
psyker + more artillery

Having read heard of the Cawl nerf, I think a robot nerf is probably in order. Everything I used in blizzard games got nerfed on a monthly basis. Might as well happen with the robots too. All that synergy and point efficiency is extremely powerful relative to the crap admech codex. GW will likely be doling out nerfs based on intra codex power imbalances, not based on inter codex power levels.
   
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If it's proportional to Girlyman, then Cawl will cost 264 points. Which is not too bad...

Funny how I was just showing a list that doesn't need a Cawlstar though. We do have a fallback. Well, assuming you want to shell out for 10-12 Ironstriders.
   
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The best thing anyone can do, for me to never again take them seriously, is to say "GW HATES MY ARMY".

Why.
Why would a company that wants to sell toy soldiers hate their customers that give them money?
Why.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Your reaction should not be "OMGWTFBBQ we're ruined, they hate us."
It should be: "interesting... I need to see the whole picture though."

Now if it turns out to be a huge price hike with nothing for compensation - sure, go on ahead and spam GW or FLG that they made dumb changes. That would actually be helpful. You think if they got a 100 of messages with VALID complaints (not OMG YOU HATE US but actual comparisons substantiated by facts), they'd ignore that?

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Mathammer(primarily Chaos Daemons, Adeptus Mechanicus, Necrons and Orks) https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mhwa-d77ztppXP9ZUQxur9HewqDTFZ6k
12k pts Daemons
5k pts Orks
5k pts AdMech
3k pts Necrons  
   
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Greece

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The best thing anyone can do, for me to never again take them seriously, is to say "GW HATES MY ARMY".

Why.
Why would a company that wants to sell toy soldiers hate their customers that give them money?
Why.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Your reaction should not be "OMGWTFBBQ we're ruined, they hate us."
It should be: "interesting... I need to see the whole picture though."

Now if it turns out to be a huge price hike with nothing for compensation - sure, go on ahead and spam GW or FLG that they made dumb changes. That would actually be helpful. You think if they got a 100 of messages with VALID complaints (not OMG YOU HATE US but actual comparisons substantiated by facts), they'd ignore that?


I don't have shares in gw. They can clearly see whole community asking every single step of their design for more. Index came we anticipated codex . Codex came we asking for faq. Faq came we now want chpter approved. Now fires.what exactly you don't understand and what more should a community do to get the message going? Did you see any ad mech force anywhere? High tier anywhere? Did you see any list viable? Anywhere even with the broken Cawl star broken Robots you did what? Did you win ? Can you do it? Go ahead they suppose to have playtested all changed the whole edition and they have been up down points for months now. What you bubbling about? If they want to hear there is plenty of messages and some v v good ones.
Ad mech is broken and if I am to play 2/3 detachments all the time mrines or guard with a Cawl removal it's ad much off the picture. If we used so far a spearhead and that was difficult imagine with out the broken op 250 points Cawl. Why ??
It's now clear to me they release changes only on sales. That's it. Has nothing to do with armies how they play etc. Was obvious also on guard codex that is beyond and every single player said it will do interested and it did. How much more feedback you need. Best order to guard bat troops cheap hq cheap units in all slots. Customizable options and hq . Regiments to complete playstyle . And more then stratagems for extra flavor.

You got what onager was good now guard par. Good bs now guard better. What exactly is this army doing here? Hat is their flavor? Stratagems that we don't have points to use? Large units that w can't take more than one? Hq buffs relics that have no synergy to make a plan? What exactly you playing here? Are you a range dakka army I can make a better one with 4 different armies. Buy some razorback or spamming lascannons gg. With a lieutenant and n hq . Run charge fll back shoot -1 to hit deep stike infiltrate blambla bla transports bl bla flier bla bla psych bl bla . Every single option w pay with cp. And no way to get some while guard sums 12+ wtf. With 5+/5+ yeah sleep tight they gonna fix everything in fires of c. Yeah sure. Dream on. Take now Cawl nerfed ND maybe you LL get 5 point on kataphrons great worse than guard in. Heartbeat. Welcome to the dark ages . We make every single bit of technology and we can't use it as well now.

What a crap fluff playstyle general rmy this turned out to be. Nothing not even one list atm. You he one now you don't. Let's not be pessimistic I heard this crap all the way from index reelase. Nothing new on codex nothing now and guess what nothing new in fires. If you still believe sitting here talking about thing I'll improve cause this is a hobby and gw will fix it you only gonna get another Nerf soon enough and again you wonder. They are clueless and will only care selling atm and its stupidly obvious. Got it?


Aother astra militarum win. What a great balanced game this is? Where is Cawl once more? the overpowered hq? where? Balance excuses sales driven changes only. Crap company for a hobby period

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Very interested to see how much Celestine and Cawl will go up in points.
Hoping some other things will drop in price, so I can keep playing my new list:

Imperial Soup
Spoiler:

Soup Brigade:
Celestine
Greyfax
Company Commander: Warlord, Kurov's Aquila

5xRangers
5xRangers
5xRangers
5xRangers
5xScouts
5xScouts

Culexus
Culexus
Callidus

Cyberwolf
Cyberwolf
Cyberwolf

Mortar Squad
Mortar Squad
Mortar Squad

Mars Spearhead
Cawl
5xKastelan Dakkabots
Icarus Dunecrawler
Icarus Dunecrawler

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predzink wrote:
Very interested to see how much Celestine and Cawl will go up in points.
Hoping some other things will drop in price, so I can keep playing my new list:

Imperial Soup
Spoiler:

Soup Brigade:
Celestine
Greyfax
Company Commander: Warlord, Kurov's Aquila

5xRangers
5xRangers
5xRangers
5xRangers
5xScouts
5xScouts

Culexus
Culexus
Callidus

Cyberwolf
Cyberwolf
Cyberwolf

Mortar Squad
Mortar Squad
Mortar Squad

Mars Spearhead
Cawl
5xKastelan Dakkabots
Icarus Dunecrawler
Icarus Dunecrawler

You honestly should be using Guard troops instead. Without doctrines, orders are your best bet.
   
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Illinois

 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The best thing anyone can do, for me to never again take them seriously, is to say "GW HATES MY ARMY".

Why.
Why would a company that wants to sell toy soldiers hate their customers that give them money?
Why.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Your reaction should not be "OMGWTFBBQ we're ruined, they hate us."
It should be: "interesting... I need to see the whole picture though."

Now if it turns out to be a huge price hike with nothing for compensation - sure, go on ahead and spam GW or FLG that they made dumb changes. That would actually be helpful. You think if they got a 100 of messages with VALID complaints (not OMG YOU HATE US but actual comparisons substantiated by facts), they'd ignore that?


I can tell you're new to this hobby *or not aware of its past. GW is infamous for the last 20 years of playing favorites and simply not supporting certain products they sell. Orks, Tyranids and the sad SOB are good examples of how whole product lines can be ignored or abandoned for decades at a time.

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8th Overhaul!
Over 18,000 SM
Over 7000 Tyranids
About 3000 Genestealer cult
About 6000 IG
About 2500 Chaos
About 5000 Skitarii/Admech *Current focus
About 3000 Deamons
2 Imperial Knigts... Soon to be a third

 
   
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 Tsol wrote:
 rvd1ofakind wrote:
The best thing anyone can do, for me to never again take them seriously, is to say "GW HATES MY ARMY".

Why.
Why would a company that wants to sell toy soldiers hate their customers that give them money?
Why.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

Your reaction should not be "OMGWTFBBQ we're ruined, they hate us."
It should be: "interesting... I need to see the whole picture though."

Now if it turns out to be a huge price hike with nothing for compensation - sure, go on ahead and spam GW or FLG that they made dumb changes. That would actually be helpful. You think if they got a 100 of messages with VALID complaints (not OMG YOU HATE US but actual comparisons substantiated by facts), they'd ignore that?


I can tell you're new to this hobby *or not aware of its past. GW is infamous for the last 20 years of playing favorites and simply not supporting certain products they sell. Orks, Tyranids and the sad SOB are good examples of how whole product lines can be ignored or abandoned for decades at a time.
not without good reason.well at least not without good business reason. We rag on the GW of the past for making bad business decisions but the fact is the more popular armies get more releases for a reason, they have more players. should GW create a new kit for army x with 2000 players or army Y with 20..... well maximum sales for army X is 2000+new players, max for Y is 20+new players. will releasing the kit add 1980 new players of army Y? that's the business decision GW has to make.

that said, as mechanicus or SOB it can be frustrating.

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I feel like this is out of hand. Everyone chill out until we see the full point changes. Could make a lot more of the army viable. Personally I'm really hoping for infiltrators to get a minor decrease.
   
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 Tsol wrote:

I can tell you're new to this hobby *or not aware of its past. GW is infamous for the last 20 years of playing favorites and simply not supporting certain products they sell. Orks, Tyranids and the sad SOB are good examples of how whole product lines can be ignored or abandoned for decades at a time.


The keyword is "HATE" not "focusing on other factions"

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linds14sr20det wrote:
I feel like this is out of hand. Everyone chill out until we see the full point changes. Could make a lot more of the army viable. Personally I'm really hoping for infiltrators to get a minor decrease.


Agreed, I mean we have a small snapshot of a bigger picture and if they have been looking at the lists for Ad Mech that are the go to then they know they need to do somethingf with with Kataphrons, infiltrators etc to A: shift those kits off the shelves and B: make them appear in more lists the easiest way and the cheapest cost wise on their end is just to adjust their points down. Or at least I really hope that is what they do.

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Hoping for infiltrators to go down hoping for destroyers to go down. And do what? You had one list trying to survive in competitive and you talking about inf. 120 points deep strike uzi. Clueless . All I hear is wait. Wait for what one year to merge armies ruined army flavor. Index ruined all unit abilities nerfed all all there is no ability left in our units. Faq waited again to destroy all hq . Dominus for 135 points enginseer for 52 . Astra militarum 42 points enginseer. Waiting for codex. Parody. Broken Robots rest trash synergy zero army can't even heal with that one he we have different dogmas. So tax pay 4 hq doing nothing and all units loose synergy. Can't use invu reroll on onager from different dogmas. Can't use broad spectrum 9 points upgrade and two troops dogmas can't share it.

They try to return the army flavor with stratagems and they did but forgot to design a system so we can get them. Not possible to make enough points when all other armies use cp for the extra mile a reroll and we gotta use cp to deploy. Make dominus give free cp or give relics or make cheaper hq. Or something? We have the stratagems no way to make even close to playable . On top of zero units transports fliers mobility nothing even the simple scout or dunestrider rule the army became a stationary dakka. Again waiting for chapter for fires for new faq bla bla . Every single payed channels spamming how much value ad mech has when the army can't make a second list. There is no single ad mech list viable vs codex armies. All community shouting about guard they reduce points make a superb codex we still waiting to see . Winning one tour after the other we changed all list 40%+ to guard all imperium armies broken with guard . Now Cawl point increase. What the f is this change gotta do with the army . Where did you saw Cawl Excell so much to be in need of point reduction. How is any point increase justified even 5 points what did Cawl did to need 5+ points . When he is not even half as tankish as it was hen he is. Sitting buffer in our lines and mob cleaner any serious char kill him . Any 200 point char kills him. Why popular? What we gonna take between useless he options . Why we took Cawl because we had 10 options ? We shouting for more he and gw says we LL increase the one you got. What kind of stupidity is that.

Who really cares if they make a stupid infiltrator unit 20 points less so what? You gonna remove Cawl and take an infiltrator unit. You rock . What you gonna remove Cawl and use Robot and kataphrons bs4+ vs cross wide armies with -1 to hit . You for real? Even spamming armies like guard has better shooting and no los. Why would you play ad mech for the looks? When you won't be able to compete nowhere? We had strong robots cause in order to use them you play with great weakness. Cant move don't have screener enough to offence and defence etc. Now what? We can't even shoot?

I know what is the problem guard . We take so much guard cause it's cheap and we need to get nerfed.

Plz I don't want to hear more about wait fires or new faq or see the changes or they will! Bother fixing anything they had numerous chances ND they only care of other armies. Period. And forget competitive I'm with you I play my army I have my story but... It's no more fun. Can't fit units can't take option. Don't have options don't have models. Never take anything new ever. Nothing gets fixed codex with typos . Yes the code we waited for some yers to unite our armys they released it copy paste!!!!!

It's no fun not to be able to field units when you go so few. Why ply rustalkers ? Kataphrons why make a list. No working way to make fun armies. Where is the fun when I take a troops and get smshed from the lower gun in game. Pay 100+ same paper unit and no chance to make something else. If you take any combination to survive again you split your army. Pay tax to unit doing nothing. You can't make a vnguard deatchment an outrider battalion nothing effectively to synergy. Nothing and gems wasted not have enough to make a plan or even if you make enough you can't have big unit to us either effectively.

It has no fluff no fun no synergy dos not feel you doing anything than field Broken robots default and that's it. You have zero contribution zero fun in this army no more . And if you can't see it you have not played ad mech enough to see it. 1-2-100 when you don't contribute to the list or can't change nothing of really value. When you forced to play robots one way. When they clearly state we won't change nothing other than points in an army not able to work properly then we don't need to talk. And Cawl increase with no rules changed forget competitive ad mech. Even 5 points. When they decide to make this a viable working army with few but Ood options not only expensive pew pew we'll talk ad mech. Now it broken period. Don't see it ? Don't want to see it? Good for you but enough with 5 points reductions won't do nothing to play other units. You won't even make a detachment to play it. So please spare us.

Simple example you wanna play infiltrators. They cost 100 reduced 20 . You put them where? Vanguard with tax enginseer datasmith? What in another formation? Where and while all others use stratagems you won't have. Either way whatever you decide you end up paying tax for units that either way underperform. And not only you can't use your lit to be balanced vs enemies you can't even use command points to try to come to balance with others. Whatever you do you just gotta pay more. And that is trully boring after 20 + games . Same o same o. Same after same after same things. You got eventually no participations with this army.

Make other units appear in lists !! Why is that our problem? We didn't use them cause they can do anything? Is there points the problem? I could use infiltrators cause it's the only unit with ability deep strike I don't have to pay extra why w don't use them? No options Pay 120 and pew pew?? Other options? No nothing? Can't have other elite units to make a vanguard? Do you got hq to make a deep trike plan? No so I'm gotta filed a unit solo with no other option. Reduce them in points great and what happened? You can now have an hq with tnem? An aura? What sorry tempestus cheaper with aura with plasma and rerolls . Oh sorry not rerolls orders so you can do whatever you need to . That's why is called strategy. Hy I gotta play 105 same with a pistol ?? And that is for all ad mech. No dunestrider no transports no fliers no rules on units. You won't have any options at all. Make it 50 and at last make it a swarm. That what all other armies do. If you are elite you got options if you re pleb you get numbers. A unit solo deep striking with t3 lost all! Fnp all options the blind grenades the zealot or relics to at least say we take a risk . Nothing it is zeroooooo. Got it? Better I take f horses with Krieg than this. And some say it's good they look in our army they nerfed melee attacks on inflitrators day one don't you worry they just wanna keep you there.


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Death guard I m reading cause I got Mortarion for a paint job. New army bla bla . With their codex their hq . You can take troops in mass or few. You can make. List only with troops. Take an ha to buff range melee leadership bl bla bla options. Not everything I working fine nor all units cost efficient. But you can play have fun make a list different want today to go rush melee you can wanna make a dakka line you can. Won't win them all you LL try some units some combos bla bla bla . What is so difficult to understand. None asked to be perfect or top just be able to play his army units in a proper way. Some got better tanks other better troops what I the freaking problem? Ork marines dark eldar guard all armies I get involved play the f game. Why ad mech need to be gimped?

With one aura reroll on shooting not like Marin's only on shooting and we are op. We can't charge we can't defend overwatch we can't melee we can't move can't fall back can't run charge .wtf is a ONLY shooting phase reroll 1 op. Then your game is crap!!!

200+ plasma destroyers you spend points to have them die first second .if the survive (your enemy is noob) spend 2 cp if you got also robots to make a them bs 3+ with dominus reroll 1s only shooting phase. If you happen to roll 3d6 6 shots you are worse Than plasma caliver cost 14 points. Still you must take other options from Cawl. Wanna check 200 points tempestus with orders?? Wait more for 5 points reductions you suddenly gonna make ad mech work. Sleep tight !!!

Pay for an army of buy 50e /Dragoons just to play one list. Not including anything else. Sure dream on gw and you wait more.

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