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Well that's actually a decent price for FW and neutron laser is a good weapon.


I'd either say they're being very generous with the Direwolf, or the Armigers and Asterius are way overpriced.

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I could see a potential higher cast failure rate on the Armigers, at least, being an issue that they'd factor into the price, given all the small fiddly bits that could break in casting.

The Dire Wolf generally looks sufficiently chunky to avoid that.

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Well this link claims it's scale 6, it'd be nice to find out other things about it without having to buy one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/13/forge-world-pre-orders-wolves-and-sheep-together-at-last/?fbclid=IwAR1TanpYnyXN8REuchb9cQR4W6dfV5Si_bEDICc9IRjNQ846tDqA6txEsu4

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SamusDrake wrote:
£35?

Can somebody please tell me what FW's logic is to pricing their models?



We can't really know without knowing all the numbers....the cost to produce each unit, the estimated demand, their desired margin, etc. Although pricing it based on size/how much resin is used may seem like the most intuitive approach to customers, that would be the worst way to do it.

I procured two of the neutron laser variety. Really not too worried whether they're auxiliary or not. I could field both alongside a Canis/Lupercal maniple combo and then even squadron them thanks to Audax being Au-some.


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 gorgon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
£35?

Can somebody please tell me what FW's logic is to pricing their models?



We can't really know without knowing all the numbers....the cost to produce each unit, the estimated demand, their desired margin, etc. Although pricing it based on size/how much resin is used may seem like the most intuitive approach to customers, that would be the worst way to do it.

I procured two of the neutron laser variety. Really not too worried whether they're auxiliary or not. I could field both alongside a Canis/Lupercal maniple combo and then even squadron them thanks to Audax being Au-some.



The more components, the more QA I guess, it's not even like they varied the pose between the two sets.



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Again, it’s not just about production costs…demand, margin, sales goals, etc are all factors. My gut says that price point means they want to push a good number of these kits…that it’s not a smaller run aimed at whales and completists. But what that number would be and whether that’s even an accurate take are things only GW would know.

Regardless…I got mine!

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 gorgon wrote:
Again, it’s not just about production costs…demand, margin, sales goals, etc are all factors. My gut says that price point means they want to push a good number of these kits…that it’s not a smaller run aimed at whales and completists. But what that number would be and whether that’s even an accurate take are things only GW would know.

Regardless…I got mine!



Just a shame modularity goes out the door, for those that might want both weapon options or to future proof their titan only to be forced to buy both kind basically. I understand gw wanting to sell more not less titans, but part of that too is letting players if it can squadron and of course how many. As many have pointed on the various discord/fb groups they put out a really detailed reveal when the previewed it. The update from today was pretty bare bones.

I would highlight this is in contrast to the grimdark conversion kit for the plastic gw warhounds which has both options and i believe can be magnetized or press fit to swap out either. It gets to inherit the possibility of a warhound too which is great because without trying to be too hard on the forge world's desgin, it ain't the prettiest but worse, it looks like the legs are very static, everyone is hoping that's not true and the just got lazy in posting/building. We'll see soon enough at least the price isn't as high as feared.

https://grimdarkterrain.com/product/titan-upgrade-kit-gallicaedes/

It's also been updated with 2 more head options and the second weapon option up top, looks nice too very sniper-ish. One of the new heads has a minigun in it, which looks sick.

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 gorgon wrote:

Regardless…I got mine!



At least you won't be paying a fortune for those Direwolves. You've been waiting a long time for a new scout titan and finally have something to complement your Warhounds.

   
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SamusDrake wrote:
 gorgon wrote:

Regardless…I got mine!



At least you won't be paying a fortune for those Direwolves. You've been waiting a long time for a new scout titan and finally have something to complement your Warhounds.



Oh yeah, it feels good.



   
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 gorgon wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 gorgon wrote:

Regardless…I got mine!



At least you won't be paying a fortune for those Direwolves. You've been waiting a long time for a new scout titan and finally have something to complement your Warhounds.



Oh yeah, it feels good.





How long do fw orders usually take to arrive? Everyone wants to cast their eyes on the terminal.
   
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Terminals and full kit on display:

https://spruesandbrews.com/2022/05/14/adeptus-titanicus-dire-wolf-heavy-scout-titan-unboxing

Interesting. It can be swapped in non-minimal maniples, clocks a bit over 250 points, has slightly better reactor and durability over a regular Hound while also getting a forward deployment rule. Pretty neat all things considered, given that it's also hard to have more than two of these on the table unless you're playing pure Warhound spam.

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Huh. The unpainted one from the review looks a lot more appealing than the promo pics.

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It's very clever pricing from FW for a change. Most people, including myself, don't have access to a 3D printer, so I buy complete printed kits from suppliers. Taking the Grimdark kit as an example, it's £15 for a complete printed kit. So two of those, plus the plastic Warhound kit comes to £70.

If I'm spending £70, then I'll buy the FW ones as they come with the terminals and cards.

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 Sherrypie wrote:
Terminals and full kit on display:

https://spruesandbrews.com/2022/05/14/adeptus-titanicus-dire-wolf-heavy-scout-titan-unboxing

Interesting. It can be swapped in non-minimal maniples, clocks a bit over 250 points, has slightly better reactor and durability over a regular Hound while also getting a forward deployment rule. Pretty neat all things considered, given that it's also hard to have more than two of these on the table unless you're playing pure Warhound spam.


I've done my best to stitch together the terminal from that review, it's a good review and well worth watching indeed, this might help more on the discussion side of things. I've also done a second one with a side by side of the warhound terminal to make it easy to compare.




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It looks much better in those photos than the official ones for some reason.
   
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That’s some nice rules and looks even nicer in the flesh. Glad I got two on pre order
   
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The rules are at least decent.

Thank you, Crablezworth, for recreating the terminal.

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Looking at the instructions, looks like this can be posed. All those ball joints
   
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 zedmeister wrote:
Looking at the instructions, looks like this can be posed. All those ball joints


Yeah it turns out fw was just lazy with the pics


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Thanks for that!


We all wanna get playing with it, I'm stoked.


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 zedmeister wrote:
That’s some nice rules and looks even nicer in the flesh. Glad I got two on pre order


Rules are quite nice, helping renew some goodwill.


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SamusDrake wrote:
The rules are at least decent.

Thank you, Crablezworth, for recreating the terminal.


Fortunate those dudes posted their review, thought we'd all have to wait a week.




So interesting things to note, better command than a warhound, more servitor clades as well. It has 1 more reactor pip, putting it in league with the reaver's reactor but with one important difference, where the reaver has 2 yellow, the dire wolf has 1 and 2 orange, so you gotta be real careful towards the end of the track. Also worth mentioning, unlike the warbringer nemesis, the dire wolf's carapace weapons are both 90 arc instead of corridor. It's body has a bit more armour, the leg armour starts at 1 point higher than the hound. The stalker rules is very interesting and one of my favorite aspects of its rules. Also worth noting, it's able to be both an aux titan and or put into a maniple. Not only that, it specifically says if it replaces a warhound or reaver, it counts as such for the purpose of the maniples special rules, so for example it can do what a reaver does in a venator maniple.

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Folks, sorry if this is a little bit OT, but has anyone heard any rumors of a 28mm version of the Dire Wolf?

Or even a conversion kit for the normal 28mm Mars pattern Warhound?

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It would be great if FW made a 28mm dire wolf. It would also be nice if they started making more of the carapace weapons for the warlord and reaver in 28mm scale too. And maybe update the warhound VMB and Plasma blasting so they aren't "handed"
   
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Dire Wolf rules are great for Audax. Stalker means I don’t even have to use the Canis maniple or Outflank to find interesting firing angles. And allowing it to replace a Reaver means we suddenly have more maniple options. Points cost is reasonable, and the improved reactor is fine. That with the extra clade and heat management options should make Draining manageable.

Edit: I also made jokes about the model looking better in Audax colors, but I wasn’t completely joking about that and I’m not surprised the unpainted version looks better.

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Woof some rotten mold quality (slips, poor seams) already seen in that unpainted model in the sprues and brews review.

I guess I'm forever THAT guy, and forever not a resin guy. Too bad I'm definitely a collectionist perfectionist guy. And a glutton for pain guy.
   
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Woof some rotten mold quality (slips, poor seams) already seen in that unpainted model in the sprues and brews review.

I guess I'm forever THAT guy, and forever not a resin guy. Too bad I'm definitely a collectionist perfectionist guy. And a glutton for pain guy.


You could also join us "convert everything to your liking" guys and make your own from plastic Hounds

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At least you didn't pay 55USD for bent armiger autocannons, and a pdf tell you to fix it yourself. QA does not include for the smallest kit possible.
   
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AT terrain seems to be going OOP. Any rumors about whether this stuff will ever come back or be replaced?

   
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 Manchu wrote:
AT terrain seems to be going OOP. Any rumors about whether this stuff will ever come back or be replaced?


No, GW is generally really weird with their terrain kits.

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 Manchu wrote:
AT terrain seems to be going OOP. Any rumors about whether this stuff will ever come back or be replaced?


I don't think it's gone forever, the kit is too integral to the other ones. It's also brilliant, in its tiered varying height option modular builds buz it actually is like perfect terrain for the game in terms of los if built to appropriate heights. It'd be a shame to lose that even if it isn't cheap.


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 Manchu wrote:
AT terrain seems to be going OOP. Any rumors about whether this stuff will ever come back or be replaced?


No, GW is generally really weird with their terrain kits.


It's probably repackaging, it could be some boxes are less efficient than others, like in theory could potentially hold another sprue or something. Freight isn't just weight but dimensions so with costs going up across the board they may make a hybrid kit or simply re-box it in a way that makes more sense.


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At least you didn't pay 55USD for bent armiger autocannons, and a pdf tell you to fix it yourself. QA does not include for the smallest kit possible.


Only upside to the small kits like armigers is even tho their msrp is the same as the dire wolf, I feel like you'd be more likely to get a whole new blister/set of armigers sent to address bent/broken or missing stuff than a whole new dire wolf, but that's possible too. Their QA really is bad on the armigers from what's been posted, especially all the same 2 right or 2 left sides legs.

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