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 RiTides wrote:
It drives me crazy. Warmachine is making all the wrong moves lately, and GW the right ones... it's like Bizarro world!

Ehh, I don't know. This one makes some amount of sense. With their move to constantly update/balance stuff, any cards being bought would quickly become outdated. We'd also be running into the problem of boxes having cards with the wrong stats, etc.

A GW move would be releasing 'Season Packs' of cards and then demanding you replace them with the newest versions every four-eight months.

As much as I prefer having physical copies of cards... I get the logic behind the change.

I really dislike integrating digital aps etc into physical table top games and cant quite put my finger on why... maybe someone else has some insight on psychology of that.

It IS needed though, to keep the balance good and meta game from getting stale. Nobody wants a bunch of models they spent money + time painting that never see play because they are under powered/useless.

I've been meaning to get myself a decent printer for a while now, ill look into printing cards out myself to keep it old school once I do.

anab0lic wrote:
I really dislike integrating digital aps etc into physical table top games and cant quite put my finger on why... maybe someone else has some insight on psychology of that.

I'm not sure of the psychology, but I suffer from the same condition.

Although, I have to say it's getting less of a problem, mainly because I also play Guild Ball, and their season 3 rulebook has been available as a free download for months, but won't be out as a physical book until the end of April. Using a PDF on my tablet has been surprisingly pleasant, largely because it's a tight rule set but doesnt always have the rule you want where you'd expect it, so a keyword search has been hugely beneficial to resolving queries during games quickly.

I guess it'll follow with WMH, if people suddenly find digital makes the game go smoother, then they'll start to find it less of a problem.

anab0lic wrote:
I really dislike integrating digital aps etc into physical table top games and cant quite put my finger on why... maybe someone else has some insight on psychology of that.

For me, I like the 'weight' of having something physical to hold. I don't quite get the same buzz I do when it's a digital product. It's the same reason I prefer buying hardcopies of games, going into stores to hand over money for an item, etc.

Personally, I generally consider my gaming time my "unplugged" time, with the exception of RPGs where I'll have a bunch of references open for GMing, I generally like to not need to think about email or whatever else is on my device.

I tried switching to digital with RPGs - as a software guy I thought it would be a neat improvement. However I quickly abandoned it and now much prefer "analog" versions. There's a feeling of certainty that cards and books provide, that tablets and phones lack. I don't have to think about unlocking, scrolling, wifi, etc.

 Arbitrator wrote:

anab0lic wrote:
I really dislike integrating digital aps etc into physical table top games and cant quite put my finger on why... maybe someone else has some insight on psychology of that.

For me, I like the 'weight' of having something physical to hold. I don't quite get the same buzz I do when it's a digital product. It's the same reason I prefer buying hardcopies of games, going into stores to hand over money for an item, etc.

They still have cards available in PDF form. Currently it's just the updated ones, but once the switch-over hapens all cards will be available for free online. Just need to print them out.

Personally I like physical stat cards because it's easier to identify what has and hasn't activated and hand over to my opponent so they can read it for themselves.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Personally, I generally consider my gaming time my "unplugged" time, with the exception of RPGs where I'll have a bunch of references open for GMing, I generally like to not need to think about email or whatever else is on my device.

Same here. I spend all day in front of a computer, I don't want to take a tablet with me to gaming.

BoLS has a bunch of pics of the Grymkin taken at Adepticon. Overall I'm impressed; I like them more now than when they first debuted. (Not sure if I can/should embed them here.)

 Arbitrator wrote:

As much as I prefer having physical copies of cards... I get the logic behind the change.

I also understand it, but I still feel this is a bad decision. It's putting up an obstacle to time poor, digitally averse people getting their armies on the table. Those of us who use cards are used to keeping track of the changes. Being forced into either an approach to play we don't like or an additional monetary cost doesn't go down well.

Will it not be funny if GW goes to cards for AoS and 40K?

Glad I am in good company here. Im in IT and do everything digital also but I cannot read digital books or PDF documentation.
I liked Warmachine for the cards, I had my units and what they did at a quick an easy glance. They took up little space as well. Played a game of AoS and had to print out all the warscrolls, it was really frustrating having all that paper.
I played a game with warroom and also didnt like it much as I seemed to hit buttons alot that took me out of matchup and I had to reload alot.

Then keep using cards? You have to use sleeves anyway, just fold the printed card around an old stat card and shove it in the sleeve.

That doesn't sound ideal... and I've found anything people have to print, particularly print every few months for new erratas, just doesn't happen. I don't really like the idea of needing to change things so frequently, personally...

See, my plan is just to buy the car pack......then if I ever need to, get the free PDF and glue them OVER the other cards, cause those cards have no real value.
I dislike having to use a tablet and Automatically losing a game if I can acess it. my tablet has low poer to begin with.

And here's a bad comparison shot of Glacier King to Mountain King to a pair of batteries.

I really should have lined up the Glacier King to the Mountain King rather than lined
up the bases. They are comparable in size, but the boat and dynamic pose fools the
eye a bit.

I love the boat.

I feel like the boat is too much - I'd leave it off if I made one - but otherwise love the Sea King.

The boat makes it for me. Reminds me of Baron von Munchhausen.

Edit - I mean Time Bandits.

I love the boat, but the model looks fine without it.

See, for me, the sea king is a big missed opprotunity design wise. They trolls didnt think that, if it had a giant ship, you mount a cannon on it?
Its honestly kinda boring. not to mention, too expensive IMO

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
See, for me, the sea king is a big missed opprotunity design wise. They trolls didnt think that, if it had a giant ship, you mount a cannon on it?
Its honestly kinda boring. not to mention, too expensive IMO

lol yeah, but they wanted to give him the equivalent in an acid swarm.

So there's that.

My problem is the points cost. 42 is a lot. At least it's the answer.

I see what you did there!! Model looks fun to paint, any leak on release date?

May 24th

http://www.warmahordesreleaseschedule.com/

 malfred wrote:
May 24th

http://www.warmahordesreleaseschedule.com/

Thank you for that link! That's great and convenient.

MM is having a massive sale on their WMH stuff. Seems like almost the whole inventory is on clearance; supposedly 850 SKUs on sale. Prices are maybe 2/3 of the RRP or even lower in some cases.

That's oddly curious they're doing this, in spite of Privateer's whole pricing mandate.

I like a lot of the models, but my interest in the game died when they decided to play ball like Asmodee/ GW sadly.

Maybe Mini Market is throwing their weight around now that GW lets them sell online, and threatening to dump all warmahordes products? If enough of the online sellers jump onboard, that is something PP really cant ignore.

Whoa, that's really interesting! And I think you're onto something Bossk. Also, maybe they're just clearing out inventory to make way for GW merchandise for online shopping carts / when 8th hits. Kind of crazy!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
That's oddly curious they're doing this, in spite of Privateer's whole pricing mandate.

I like a lot of the models, but my interest in the game died when they decided to play ball like Asmodee/ GW sadly.

That's a good point. It really looks like they are trying to dumpster their inventory this time and are blatantly advertising 80% off 'clearance' sale.