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Skipping this, £125 is too much for me considering I mainly just like some of the models. Even if i liked all of them it's still too expensive i think.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can heroes in BSF die die? Isn't there always that chance to go fish for a crit success on a d20 in the resurrection room?

I’ve read enough Thanquol to query-suspect you may not be a man-thing!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ve read enough Thanquol to query-suspect you may not be a man-thing!

Preposterous rumour!

Sarouan wrote:

They are "hidden" in the Challenge Battles just before the new minor artifacts tables, and the battles themselves are initially meant to be a 2 players cooperative scenario with the enemies being handled by a behaviour mechanism like they did for AoS, but it's very easy to make them work solo. Simply cut in half the points allowed for enemies and here you go ! Maybe it won't be that easy alone, especially against the Mega-Gargant / Lord of Change Challenge Battles, but they're called challenges for a reason, right ?

I'm thinking about making a whole solo campaign based on this wild fighters mechanism and the Soroth Kor campaign with the champion rules for building your warband. The core is very solid IMHO and needs little adaptation...and I don't need to learn a(nother) new game system like Perilous Tales.


To me, Warhammer Quest : Cursed City is one entirely different thing. It's not about building your warband and see how far (well) it fares, it's a good old adventuring party trying to save the day (city) from Evil Undeads. I'm expecting mechanisms like in Black Fortress where characters can die for good and not being used again for the rest of the campaign...and not being replaced that easily as in Warcry.

It's not just a coop / solo game. If that's just what you're looking for, of course there are plenty other cheaper choices. But they won't be Cursed City experience, they will be entirely different.

Intreguing. I shall keep that in mind if I jump into Warcry.

We seem to be on the same page about Warhammer Quest, so I'll leave it there.


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Sarouan wrote:


I really hope death means something in Cursed City. Makes the campaign much more interesting !

Well, they do at least have a "What a horrible night to have a curse" thing going on. It would be pretty cool if a fallen adventurer rises as a zombie, or a Vampire? Maybe a werewolf! Can you image that big Ogre dude turning into a giant Lon Chaney Jr? OMG that would be awesome!

£125 is not too bad, I was honestly expecting Cursed City to cost more than Warcry: Catacombs. I think I can find £125 worth of hobby time from this.

It's like the point of Warcry: Catacombs was to raise our price tolerance

£125?

That puts it higher than those giant giants. They're over $300 in Oz.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's like the point of Warcry: Catacombs was to raise our price tolerance

It certainly seems that way.

Can't speak for others but I've certainly reached my limit with the prices increases. Someone has to say it - this is £30 more than Blackstone Fortress. Nuff said.

150€ is quite steep, so I'll probably just pick the cherries on eBay.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
£125?

That puts it higher than those giant giants. They're over $300 in Oz.

To be fair, Mega-gargants are £50 models that GW sells for £120

Haha, no. For the same price I can get Defiance KS box from my LGS, and it might come with fewer models, but it comes with more boardgame in it.
For what has always been babby's 1st dungeon crawler this is just enough to not make it appealing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
To be fair, Mega-gargants are £50 models that GW sells for £120

And what's fair about that?

Thank you to GW pricing for making my KS miniature boardgame addiction look downright reasonable.

For that price I can get a KS pledge with at least the same number of "100% match my preferences/style" killer sculpts, plus a whole bucket of cool but not killer miniatures PLUS a good game to use them in.

I'd buy it if I was 100% on a higher share of the miniatures. But most of the heroes are either snoozers or losers, the skeletons will be released separately, and there aren't enough big winners otherwise.

Plus the weird nighttime outside but daytime inside tiles bug me to no end.

Sarouan wrote:
I really hope death means something in Cursed City.

For the citizens? No.

For those in the states who haven't cross referenced pounds to dollar-o's, that's looking like the same price they charged for Warcry Catacombs: $210 USD.

Totally worth it for the terrain wearing zombies alone.

Price is pretty much what I was expecting. It is more expensive than Blackstone Fortress but here we have an extra 9 enemy miniatures plus 10 objective miniatures (there is one less hero miniature compared to Blackstone but the size of the Ogre makes up for that in my opinion).

The game also looks to be better developed than Blackstone with hero levelling and what appears to be a better range of missions. I also like these tiles a lot more than the Blackstone ones.

The way I see is that this box contains 2 start collecting sets- vampire boss and body guard, necromancer, skeleton hero, 10 Skeletons and 6 rats swarms in one set. Zombie gardener, vampire trio, big monster, 10 zombies and 6 bat swarms in the other set. If we charge the old £50 price for the sc boxes, £3 each for the heroes and £1 left over for the rules, tiles, cards, dice and objective markers. That sounds ok for me.

A big advantage of this box is that the enemies are in standard AoS unit sizes. Bulk out the skeleton and zombie units, add a unit or two of blood Knights and you've pretty much got a soulblight army. Silver tower had a lot of cool minis but due to the random unit sizes only the heroes were useable in the main game.

It is slightly worrying that this will be the new normal price for gw boxes but unlike warcry catacombs, I feel like I'm getting reasonable value for money here.

How worrying is it really? GW has a pricing strategy they have been transparent about, and every time the price goes up people act like it’s a shock. New pricing goes up. That’s all she wrote. Too expensive? Exercise some restraint and take a pass. Sure it sucks. But so do many more important things. At least you have a choice here, even if that choice isn’t super appealing because it’s a pastime we enjoy.

The only thing that doesn't work for me (and is the same for many similar games) is the 3D nature of the models on 2D terrain. It just doesn't work for me at all. I'd need to pick up some scenery just to place between the boards to give it some depth.

Put this on the list of "maybe i'll buy some day". I'm still spending a tons of money for hobby stuff, but not much on GW stuff nowaday.

Looking at this as Start Collectiong Box for AoS and it is a deal, specially with 15% off

As a Standalone game, with no 3D terrain and the gameplay looking like an easy walkthru with hardly a chance to fail (so made for a much younger audiance) it is way too expensive for wht you get

Nice looking minis are a thing, but if you don't play them it is a waste of money which makes it a good box for all of those who want to use them in another game, but a bad one as a boxed game compared what else is out there

 kodos wrote:

Nice looking minis are a thing, but if you don't play them it is a waste of money which makes it a good box for all of those who want to use them in another game, but a bad one as a boxed game compared what else is out there

It's actually good for those who intend to use it for both of these purposes - especially when the other games are GW games.



Anyway, if people are not interested / have already a dungeon crawler solo game that they deem superior, good for them - just don't buy Cursed City. Who cares, if not only you ? Just means you were not part of their target market.

But yeah, it's expensive as a boardgame - and yet the comparison is exactly the same than all previous GW "boardgames" : it has GW miniatures inside. Honestly, what did you expect at this point ? It's good to have expectations, just keep them reasonnable.

Besides, when I see CMON's prices for their boardgames now (sorry, I meant Kickstarters)...well, everything is relative, as usual. And the "reasonnable cheap" boardgames usually don't have the same quality at all about their game pieces (in the bad way, mind you !).

If looking for a cheap boardgame is all that matters to you, it's obvious GW is NOT what you are looking for.

Sarouan wrote:
Honestly, what did you expect at this point ? It's good to have expectations, just keep them reasonnable.

That GW at least for such a theme get over the "pretending to make a game and adding stuff to throw directly into the bin to sell some models that don't fit into the current armies" and make it something worth playing more than once

and with some people already getting hyped that this will be the new Mortheim, I hoped that GW might go into that direction

Anyway, if you're not interested / have already a dungeon crawler solo game that you deem superior, good for you - just don't buy Cursed City. Who cares, if not only you ?

if you like the game and want to buy it, good for you but who cars

and for a good Boardgame, rules/gameplay is more important than nice minis (played Legenden of Anor a lot and no one cares about the paper minis but the challenging coop gameplay keeps you going)

and it is not about being cheap but what you get for your money and what the it is advertised

CC advertising as "game" for a premium price instead of "cheap models for AoS" is a little disapointing

To be fair Blackstone Fortress wasn’t a terrible game, though it was hardly remarkable. I play a lot of board games and BSF was pretty middle of the road as far as dungeon crawlers go. This looks to be a marked improvement over BSF (getting rid of of those stupid random maps that are repeated and a lot more involved rules). I still don’t think it will be a great game even with all the improvements.

But if it is a decent game with a bunch of great minis that I want I am still going to pick it up. To be interested in this your really have to be someone who is into the minis.

This isn’t targeted at board gamers. The price, combined with miniatures that require assembly is alone enough to scare away most of them. Not to mention there are plenty of Dungeon Crawlers out there that are much better games for less money.

US price is $199

Prices again

Cursed City £125 €155 $199
Novel £18 €22 $27

Stock limits
GW online max 1 per person
FLGS stock allocation limited to maximum of 8

This is not a limited release only the initial stock is limited in number.

Cool, just about covers local preorders with 1 spare to put on the shelves.

 bullyboy wrote:
The only thing that doesn't work for me (and is the same for many similar games) is the 3D nature of the models on 2D terrain. It just doesn't work for me at all. I'd need to pick up some scenery just to place between the boards to give it some depth.

I think I am going to paint spare Azyrite Ruins and Warcry scenery to use as wall sections or backdrops for photography. I didn't like when original Warcry scenery was shoehorned into Catacombs to bump up the price, at least I now have good use for them

 DaveC wrote:
US price is $199

Prices again

Cursed City £125 €155 $199
Novel £18 €22 $27

Stock limits
GW online max 1 per person
FLGS stock allocation limited to maximum of 8

This is not a limited release only the initial stock is limited in number.

Oof. Is the 8 box limitation also in place for online retailers?

kodos wrote:

Sarouan wrote:
Honestly, what did you expect at this point ? It's good to have expectations, just keep them reasonnable.

That GW at least for such a theme get over the "pretending to make a game and adding stuff to throw directly into the bin to sell some models that don't fit into the current armies" and make it something worth playing more than once

and with some people already getting hyped that this will be the new Mortheim, I hoped that GW might go into that direction

....

and for a good Boardgame, rules/gameplay is more important than nice minis (played Legenden of Anor a lot and no one cares about the paper minis but the challenging coop gameplay keeps you going)

No, I was talking about the price and the way GW designs their games / expansions nowadays. Even if they did release a new version of Mordheim, you know the days where they put everything in a single book are in the past. See what they did with the new version of Necromunda. See what they did with the new version of Blood Bowl. You have the facts already. It's good to dream, but like I said : better be reasonnable with your expectations.

You know how GW works now. They won't just come back at what they did before. It's useless to moan about it now, they won't change their ways just because of you.

And they're not "pretending to make a game" - they made a game that is Cursed City. That you think it's not worth your time is perfectly understandable - but a game is just that : a game. It doesn't have to be complex, realist or have perfect rules. And players who like it aren't stupid to enjoy a game for what it is. After all, people still play Monopoly nowadays, despite its...let's say simple rules, shall we ?

The other purpose of this box is to release new Soulblight Gravelord miniatures in advance of the singles boxes sold later (thanks to the previews, we knows zombies and skeletons are being redone effectively and that they look like the ones in Cursed City - also new bat swarms). Which is why I believe scalpers have an interest in this to sell the separate parts at a price that will still be interesting once the single boxes will be available.

and it is not about being cheap but what you get for your money and what the it is advertised

CC advertising as "game" for a premium price instead of "cheap models for AoS" is a little disapointing

It's advertising a game with new GW miniatures. That's what you get for your money. You know very well at what price GW miniatures are sold currently, don't you ? Of course you do.

Price is not related to a game's quality. See CMON's kickstarters where people are begging to throw money at their face just by reading the name "CMON", even if they have nothing really indicating the game is actually good. "But the miniatures are so good / it has so much value !". It's just the brand. Just like Mantic Games is a brand for cheap miniatures (well...it's slowly changing but it's still changing for them on that matter ).

Sabotage! wrote:
This isn’t targeted at board gamers. The price, combined with miniatures that require assembly is alone enough to scare away most of them. Not to mention there are plenty of Dungeon Crawlers out there that are much better games for less money.

GW boardgames are never targeted at board gamers in general. Only people who would be interested in the Hobby (TM) - building, painting, collecting and playing with GW miniatures. Their purpose is to broaden the variety of their games so that they can find and attract more of these people.

Poor people who want games ready with no work on the miniatures ? They're not the target. Never will be.

Purpose of GW is to make money, yes, but nowadays, you don't need as many people as you can in the world. You just need a strong core fanbase who have enough money and who will be happy to throw that money at you. People who have no money won't give what they don't have, and will never make your sale numbers grow up the way you want. Better to find and focus on the "whales" (aka people who are ready to spend a huge load of money on a regular basis) and use marketing / hype /psychological tricks like FOMO to make sure they keep spending on a regular basis. That's the sad truth of the game industry in general now.

Why the hell are you defending a corporation, they have lawyers and community team for that.