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That is just...mental. Proper mental.

Well, going to order one when it is available.

The fortress doesn't really remind me of Congress, I think more of the wheeled cities in mortal engines or whatever that movie was called

You know we have an own Thread for non-GW Titanicus/Epic Stuff....?

 schoon wrote:
Very nice. Any sense of how big it is?

From the Battle Bling Facebook page:

The Warbreaker has over 20 guns.
Takes over 50 hours to print a single model.
Weighs almost 2kgs.
Uses almost 3 litres of resin.
Is around 35cm tall.
Just over 20cm wide (at widest point)

35cm tall? Well print time can be fastened by making it more true to scale. Unless that's supposed be bigger than imperator.

tneva82 wrote:
35cm tall? Well print time can be fastened by making it more true to scale. Unless that's supposed be bigger than imperator.

With how much of the height is made up of the fortress, it sounds fairly accurate in scale

Yknow, I generally don't care for the 3rd party stuff, but that mini is fantastic and if the price isn't mental (which it probably will be if its a 50hr print that uses 3L of resin) I *might* just order one for the pure novelty of it.

3L of resin and 50 hours (which sounds like 2 build plates worth of printing, assuming that they aren't printing any parts that are actually 30cm tall in one go). I'd be expecting prices in the £250-300 bracket minimum.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yknow, I generally don't care for the 3rd party stuff, but that mini is fantastic and if the price isn't mental (which it probably will be if its a 50hr print that uses 3L of resin) I *might* just order one for the pure novelty of it.

295£ I believe, Releases sept 7th.

360USD + shipping isn't TOTALLY offputting....i'll have to think about that one.

Just curious as to why they've only made an alternative model for a titan that doesn't even exist in the game rules yet.

Big enough to count as terrain, as it's engaged in a firefight with another off-board Imperator, or a stand in for the Warmaster? Interesting...

I will not be buying this. I think it's too squat, and also the stuff I've bought from the so far seems to be printed one one of those filament things or maybe just in low resolution, which was okay on the parts I bought but would not be good on a model of this size imo. Also, that price isn't too far off a legit FW Acastus / Porphyrion (and hugely more expensive than a perfect replica) so it's an easy pass for me. I'd like to see them make bits available separately though.

SamusDrake wrote:
Just curious as to why they've only made an alternative model for a titan that doesn't even exist in the game rules yet.

Big enough to count as terrain, as it's engaged in a firefight with another off-board Imperator, or a stand in for the Warmaster? Interesting...

Steering well clear of IP infringement, would be my guess.

And as for using one of these beasts in an actual game. That likely not the point for something this outlandish.

Steering clear of ip infringement just means not selling the terminals and just offering image/pdfs people can print for free. Not even connected to purchasing. Basically don't call it an imperator, call it a warbreaker or whatever as they've done and I don't think there's much political will to go after a well like retailer. Esp considering they're ex GW.




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SamusDrake wrote:
Just curious as to why they've only made an alternative model for a titan that doesn't even exist in the game rules yet.

Big enough to count as terrain, as it's engaged in a firefight with another off-board Imperator, or a stand in for the Warmaster? Interesting...

I offered to help with terminal/cards/rules but they seem to already have something planned.



My thoughts are, as big as it is (14 inches) it still needs to model off a warmaster terminal and in my opinion probably should be "more bark than bite" as in its rules in game should be closer to warmaster than people may perhaps like but there are a lot of reasons for this, starting at points. The warmasters already in my opinion only function well in games where both sides field one, and in that regard they're fairly well designed for something so "not needed", playing a game where only one side has one though can be a bit silly unless it's a fairly high point game, but you still run into real disparity in activations. So my thought would be to design it with mirror match in mind, otherwise its just a bit too absurd. I feel like the palace would still basically have to be one weapon card, with the arms like on the warmaster offering up the real firepower. Reason is, giving it like a million weapons will just break the activation game but also mean if you don't always order split fire it just gets stupid, you don't need to shoot like 8 weapons at one target.

Also, even tho its huge and mighty and big and the rules should reflect that, they can only do that so much, armour levels still have to sorta be taken into consideration or you risk rendering a lot of weapons totally useless against it. Like far as I'm concerned it could have the exact same armour as the warmasters and just have a longer track or more forgiving or less frequent armour degradation. The arm weapons again would probably just be slightly more powerful than the warmasters, but again consideration like range need to still be artificially lowered because you can't just give all its guns 48 inch range cuz its big/tall/walking castle, if there's no reason for it to ever move it won't, it will likely already command such a silly high view that getting cover or out of los from it may be difficult so if range isn't capped on some of its weapons it could just get silly. I think if anything it needs like "grounded" rules that are well considered and informed by knowledge of the game/stats/limits and then maybe a more silly version of the rules that's a bit more hair down or random like charts but harder to kill, perhaps designed more for what people oddly want, a game where like one titan stands there and does a bunch of shooting while a bunch of others that have pointless disparity in activations like, i dunno, maybe don't die to it and win somehow? Just sounds like anime normandy beach or iwo jima or something, but gonig back to a more grounded version of the rules. Perhaps that could also mean some of its weapons special rules have bonusses that only apply to larger scale titans like warmaster and up or something to encourage larger point level games but not necessarily higher activation level games ( a bazillion titans per side).

Part of the problem too is you sorta wanna design/future proof in terms of new weapons so that has to be taken into account to when designing the weapons cards and like sub reactors/systems cards if it uses or is based off the warmaster terminal. The cop out gw did by splitting the warmaster into two distinct titans still doesn't sit well so really hoping they have like plans for 4 ot 5 arm weapons. The top weapons are tougher because its a bit more abstract, maybe have different firing modes, one corridor one normal arc and they have different benefits/downsides. Maybe have a few weapons or ammo types but you can only fire so many times or some require rolling reactor dice a one turn cool down. I could also see that being where it introduces some fun, like shells similar to blind missiles that let you place the 5 inch blasts as los blockers, perhaps it could have the ability to do special orders that mimic certain startagems. There's also the many considerations of how custom legios and all the other legio rules might interact with it, and of course the corruptions/mutations.

It's a big task and I hope they're up to it, I tend to agree that as cool as the model is, without rules in game it's just a nice display piece.

I see and its interesting to know that Battlebling are former GW staff.

At the very least its a nice model to have in one's collection if they really want an Imperator to join their cabinet collection. Even an artist at Warhammer World kitbashed their own version, and it feels a bit strange to be missing an Imperator( the titan of titans ) in a game designed specifically for titans.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
35cm tall? Well print time can be fastened by making it more true to scale. Unless that's supposed be bigger than imperator.

With how much of the height is made up of the fortress, it sounds fairly accurate in scale

Imperator isn't even twice the height of warlord in GW's specifications. This model is more than twice the height...

Would need to be about 10cm shorter.

People keep overestimating size of imperator likely due to that fortress which is major part of imperator's extra height over warlord.

So it's class of titan even bigger than imperator which alone is useless as a gaming piece if you don't want to break the game. Hard pass for me. Too expensive as a shelf warmer. I don't buy Morathi for AOS as that already is too expensive for shelf warmer and this is more pricey.

But why is the Warbringer being discussed in the official Titanicus rumours thread and not in the third party stuff thread?

Well because...y'know...reasons, man!

But seriously, I think its because the official releases have dried up.

Fair enough, but I find it odd that this is tolerated but with other indies we get rants about them polluting the thread.

This thread is mostly active when there are new releases. So when AT hasn't got a new official release to gush over, 3rd party can easily be tolerated because there's really not much else to talk about.

 Malika2 wrote:
Fair enough, but I find it odd that this is tolerated but with other indies we get rants about them polluting the thread.

You're right and the principle stands.

Would have preferred smaller temple on top with some sort of courtyard for putting priests.

tneva82 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
35cm tall? Well print time can be fastened by making it more true to scale. Unless that's supposed be bigger than imperator.

With how much of the height is made up of the fortress, it sounds fairly accurate in scale

Imperator isn't even twice the height of warlord in GW's specifications. This model is more than twice the height...

Would need to be about 10cm shorter.

People keep overestimating size of imperator likely due to that fortress which is major part of imperator's extra height over warlord.

So it's class of titan even bigger than imperator which alone is useless as a gaming piece if you don't want to break the game. Hard pass for me. Too expensive as a shelf warmer. I don't buy Morathi for AOS as that already is too expensive for shelf warmer and this is more pricey.

Which specifications?

Titan scales have changed a lot over the years. Heck some of the original artwork had them towering over city skyscrapers.

In general I'd say they've come down in height over the years. However its also a reflection of the fact that early media and references titans were restricted to their own scaled game; they just weren't part of 40K. Once that started they kind of had to come down in size a bit to make them actually practical to cast for Forgeworld

Artists never pay attention to the numbers. There’s art of Imperialis Dictatio, a Warlord Titan, stepping over a mountain top as it bypasses a column of leman russ tanks in one step. A normal Warlord with twin turbo lasers in the carapace and all that.

AFAIK, the numbers the studio puts on technical docs have not changed much or at all.

I would love to be able to talk about official releases for AT but...

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Would have preferred smaller temple on top with some sort of courtyard for putting priests.

Ya for it's size there aren't many places to glue little dudes. Also looks a bit too much like us congress building.


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Toofast wrote:
I would love to be able to talk about official releases for AT but...

Ya exactly, feels like the third party's get crapped on for keeping the game alive and peopel interested more than gw.

If it's being shelved for Epic, I'm fine with that. I'll already have a whole army painted up when the game releases.

 Overread wrote:
3rd party can easily be tolerated because there's really not much else to talk about.

But not when there is a own Thread extra to prevent this.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/804309.page

 Crablezworth wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Would have preferred smaller temple on top with some sort of courtyard for putting priests.

Ya for it's size there aren't many places to glue little dudes. Also looks a bit too much like us congress building.


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Toofast wrote:
I would love to be able to talk about official releases for AT but...

Ya exactly, feels like the third party's get crapped on for keeping the game alive and peopel interested more than gw.

There's some good third-party terrain out there. That's an area where they've picked up the slack for GW. And things like alt Psi-Titan bits that make sense given how often that kit is out of stock.

However, I don't feel like third-party Imperator+ sized models and some of the made-up weapons (Reaver carapace plasma or whatever) and such do that, because they aren't generally playable except as some kind of counts as or homebrew. Which is fine for some people, but where are the well-executed corruption bits? Where are the Legio-specific and/or alternate armor plates? There are things the third parties could be doing to take my money and "keep the game alive" for GW but they don't.

And this thread really is supposed to be about GW releases, regardless of whether people feel they're releasing enough for the game.