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They tend to put out updates on all their projects. Theoretically, we should have a better idea about their capacity to deliver before the pledge manager closes. Besides maybe Reaper, CMON has been the most consistent and reliable tabletop/miniature KS company.


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...Of course, they are all cold hearted jerks who created CMON from the ashes of a previous company that lost a lot of customers’ money, so you should take the worst interpretation of their actions as the most likely to be true when you consider the risk of going all-in.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

...Of course, they are all cold hearted jerks who created CMON from the ashes of a previous company that lost a lot of customers’ money, so you should take the worst interpretation of their actions as the most likely to be true when you consider the risk of going all-in.

Yeah, there is that. I alluded to it earlier in the thread but it deserves a mention every once in a while. CMON really did seem like they changed their ways since the implosion of newwave's gaming webstore and we, in all fairness, haven't seen anything yet to the contrary. It's just the risk of history repeating itself rather than any actual evidence that it's happening though but important to know nonetheless when someone is literally asking about the potential risks.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Oh so I can pledge $1 and increase it later? I'm assuming I'll have more information or something later, like do they give updates on the status of KS projects or something?

Yep! Pledge $1. I doubt CMON will say anything that doesn't portray them favorably. I would still say check on the links to BGG and other sites I posted earlier, and filter for statements made by accountants and auditors.

To be fair, or at least consistent, the audit concerns for CMON are only known because CMON is publicly traded. Most creators are private, so would be able to hide the problem from the public. (What was the reason CMON went public, anyway?)

Next KS will be CMON comics volume 1 but will also include new minis and rules for their various games




I think they need to hold off and deliver on some of the outstanding KS launching KS after KS isn’t helping with the perception that they need money and a comics KS with a few minis that were probably already designed is a fairly low investment higher return for them.

The Comics announcement has me guessing the Rising Sun one didn't sell well enough for the publisher and the line was dropped and CMoN decided to go to their old standby which is FOMO.

Speaking of FOMO my Timemachine pledge finally arrived and I have my long sought after Ragnarok pack for Bloodrage.

It's too bad they went with another little girl character for Death May Die. There is already one in the core box. Would have been fun to see a Boy Scout or something to balance out the genders of playable child characters.

The Zombicide Invader guy looks good and chunky, which will make him look much better than all the other Invader sculpts.

Well the Starcadia Quest one sold well enough for them to put out a graphic novel/single volume compilation

they were fun, but 3 issues of a comic don't lend themselves to any sort of complex story, and i'm guessing these will have even less space to play with

interesting that they're doing these all by themselves without an comics partner..... is it because they want all of the pie, or because the partners just don't see any margin in it?

Probably both. Doubt there's a very high margin on comics and CMoN isn't using them to market something as opposed to trying to tap into existing players so it makes more sense to sell themselves as why have the partner and comic shops take a cut? The comic label probably didn't really sell enough to justify making more or offered CMoN a deal for the second round that was less favorable due to sales that could have been good but not as good as they were hoping.

Cynical me says they do it because they do not have enouph content (or want to invest) for even a minor expansion and they cannot at their level make a KS for just "a few minis" without creating panic, while they can mask it as a comic KS with a few minis as a "bonus" to the backers, in this case they do not care for a comic division or distribution.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Cynical me says they do it because they do not have enouph content (or want to invest) for even a minor expansion and they cannot at their level make a KS for just "a few minis" without creating panic, while they can mask it as a comic KS with a few minis as a "bonus" to the backers, in this case they do not care for a comic division or distribution.

I think you're partly right PsychticStorm.

We know they have some financial issues and need other ways to bring in money that don't have a long turn around and would count as debt and the comics would be a good way to do that by slapping in some game content that's went unused during the original KSer. Oddly though having plastic minis attached to this would do just that so I wonder if they're going to be resin to do a quick turnaround.

I got word that my time machine order has shipped, so they should be moving that one out of the liabilities column before too long.
That does make me more likely to put more than a dollar into Ankh.

CMON Expo to be virtual this year

We love CMON Expo, and were very sorry to have to cancel it this year. We love the chance to interact with our friends and fans, discuss current and future projects, play together...

So we decided to create a con experience like we have never done before. We introduce you to CMON Virtual Expo!
Our Virtual Expo will be held at the CMON Expo Facebook page, so make sure to follow it if you don't want to miss anything!

Panels, contests, painting, prizes, announcements, and lots of surprises! Check this space or over at the CMON Expo page for more exciting updates as the final schedule is revealed this week!

Dang, a year too late as they've now sold off all the KS bits and pieces they had left over via the Time Machine that people outside the US would normally not be able to get.

but still interesting to see what they've got coming up (and whether we hear anything about that audit being resolved)

House Greyjoy next for ASOIAF

I've been trying without any success to preorder some of those unsullied swordmasters. I tried the FLGS, I've tried various online retailers and I can't even put in a pre-order anywhere...

In other news, I'm happy to see Baratheon get some releases that will hopefully make them more competitive. Rose Knights look awesome.

It is too bad the Bloody Mummers Zhorse riders don't have engraved stripes to make painting them easier, but at least they are pretty characterful

I’d be happier if they made their current product line actually available.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’d be happier if they made their current product line actually available.

Yeah, they are really struggling to keep up with demand.
They are also apparently really struggling with basic logistics as well!

I didn't watch the open day, but supposedly there is some changes coming to distribution (I think Asmodee is dropping Alliance and going to self distribution??? Shinall is supposed to have said something about it during the virtual panels.)

I have had interest in this game for so long, but Im shocked at CMON's apparent incompetence, to the point that I kinda just forget about them for months at a time. How can you run a miniatures game and not have pictures for half your units on your website??? Why does it take a year and a half for models you show off to come out? How can you have such a shortage of these relatively cheap miniatures? I enjoy the game from the few times Ive played it but damn, get it together. Stuff like this really cements GW as being THE miniatures company regardless of any bullgak they do from time to time.

CMON’s assets and flaws aside, GW is unique in the industry in that they control their entire development and production cycle. Nearly everyone else has to outsource significant portions of that cycle, making them very vulnerable to disruption at various stages for various reasons. Many of these companies, whose products we enjoy, are really just developers, who control no portion of the production after they develop a new game. It’s amazing the industry churns on as well as it does.

Pretty much this. CMoN has to have everything manufactured in China which means estimating demand, reserving factory time (that has to be done many months in advance), shipping things across the world and if they underestimate start over again. That non-plastics or GW really don't have to deal with. I wouldn't be surprised to hear it take 4 or more months to get something reprinted and shipped then off to the distributors.

Privateer Press had the opposite problem CMoN had when they did some HIPS kits that ended up not moving and they sat on them for years due to lack of demand. To companies having stock you can't sell is worse then no stock to sell.

I'd be very sceptical that Asdmodee moving to self distribution rather than using Alliance will make any difference,

after all they don't use Alliance in the EU/UK and the ASoIF is pretty much unavailable over here other than maybe half a dozen boxes that turn up 3 or 4 months late after every release cycle (even major stores that have been promised stock almost always end up shorted or with nothing)

Did I miss a resolution to that late audit thing or is that still an ongoing issue?

 AduroT wrote:
Did I miss a resolution to that late audit thing or is that still an ongoing issue?

Nope still ongoing, but buying something that is in stock at a retailer is much different risk profile than funding a Kickstarter that is two years from delivering. Also less risky to preorder something that is ostensibly only a month or two from release and likely already on a boat somewhere.

CMON

CMON Comics - Volume 1 hits Kickstarter on May 26th, 3 pm EST!

As always, you can sign up here to be notified the minute the campaign launches! https://cmon.co/comics

When is the Kickstarter after that? June something?

How odd, were the Unsullied Swordsmen and Zorse Riders previewed? They have been available in the UK for at least a month. To the point that I have already painted up the Unsullied.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
How odd, were the Unsullied Swordsmen and Zorse Riders previewed? They have been available in the UK for at least a month. To the point that I have already painted up the Unsullied.

Ahh missed that! Might have to get some then to join my Dothraki on the waiting to give to my painter pile (mountain)

 Gallahad wrote:
I've been trying without any success to preorder some of those unsullied swordmasters. I tried the FLGS, I've tried various online retailers and I can't even put in a pre-order anywhere...

In other news, I'm happy to see Baratheon get some releases that will hopefully make them more competitive. Rose Knights look awesome.

It is too bad the Bloody Mummers Zhorse riders don't have engraved stripes to make painting them easier, but at least they are pretty characterful

I saw them available here https://www.board-game.co.uk/product/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-expansion-targaryen-unsullied-swordsmen-expansion/

5 in stock.

cheers for that Smokestack, good to have another option to try for the ASoIF stuff in the UK

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


CMON

CMON Comics - Volume 1 hits Kickstarter on May 26th, 3 pm EST!

As always, you can sign up here to be notified the minute the campaign launches! https://cmon.co/comics

I've read the Cthulhu death may die preview and it looks like the comics can be interesting