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https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/gutrippaz-2021

Just the 1 banner with the Gutrippaz but 2 banner tops, 2 boss heads and 15 other heads

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 DaveC wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/gutrippaz-2021

Just the 1 banner with the Gutrippaz but 2 banner tops and 2 boss heads



So these cost the same as the Snagga Boyz... but come with one more sprue, more parts, and are much less monopose?

Not that i'm complaining.


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I like how you can go for a Hornblower or a Drummer for the musician, that's cool. Also, 11 shields, 11 spears, 13 diffrent short weapons, enough to equip the whole squad either way and then some.

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Not a bad set with the Gutrippaz at all, just a shame at the lack of a second banner on the sprues. But stick a spare banner top on one of your Dominion spear lads and the job is a good one.

Interestingly the Boltboyz are shown in the big bundle photo, but excluded from the description. Points to some form of delay hitting their release.

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Yeah just noticed the Boltboyz in the bundle image something must have delayed them.

The Domicile Shells and Guardian Statue are direct only same price individually as the Nexus Syphon £30 €40 $50. The realmscape expansion is £55 so if you want 2 of the 3 buy that instead and you get 2 statues - individually it's £120 vs £55!

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 DaveC wrote:
Yeah just noticed the Boltboyz in the bundle image something must have delayed them.

The Domicile Shells and Guardian Statue are direct only same price individually as the Nexus Syphon £30 $40 $50. The realmscape expansion is £55 so if you want 2 of the 3 buy that instead and you get 2 statues - individually it's £120 vs £55!


H.B.M.C. was right yet again.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Yeah just noticed the Boltboyz in the bundle image something must have delayed them.

The Domicile Shells and Guardian Statue are direct only same price individually as the Nexus Syphon £30 $40 $50. The realmscape expansion is £55 so if you want 2 of the 3 buy that instead and you get 2 statues - individually it's £120 vs £55!


H.B.M.C. was right yet again.


that the package deal would be the best way to get them and that buying the pieces seperately would be stupidly over priced by comparison wasn't exactly a hard call

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 DaveC wrote:
Yeah just noticed the Boltboyz in the bundle image something must have delayed them.

The Domicile Shells and Guardian Statue are direct only same price individually as the Nexus Syphon £30 $40 $50. The realmscape expansion is £55 so if you want 2 of the 3 buy that instead and you get 2 statues - individually it's £120 vs £55!


H.B.M.C. was right yet again.


that the package deal would be the best way to get them and that buying the pieces seperately would be stupidly over priced by comparison wasn't exactly a hard call
Yeah it wasn't a prediction so much as a statement of what we all knew would happen. I mean absolutely HNBC was right, but I can predict the sun will rise tomorrow and be right about that too. We were all on the same page.

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But none'a y'all thought they'd be that fething expensive. I'd also like to address the comment that someone made about maybe wanting some of the terrain separately without needing to buy the rest.

Tell me: Does anyone think that there was a great demand for the smaller of the two ruined corners?


I mean, I was worried when I saw the 4 boxes thing, but AUD$84 for a single sprue of terrain? They are 'avin' a laff with this one, for sure.

AUD$336 to get one of each. This thing costs AUD$150 (missing the globe, but it has two statues) and you get a mat in there. It's less than half the price!!! This is AUD$14 more, and you get both ruined corners.

For AUD$230, so 68% the cost of buying one of each of those four terrain sets, you get all of this:


"But starter sets are meant to be..."

Irrelevant!

These prices are shockingly high. Ludicrously high. Insultingly high.


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Wow, yeah, that's ridiculous.

Not that 10 Gutrippaz for 40 euros is anything but ludicrous either, mind.

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The prices are doubly non sensical from GW's point of view when you have terrain fans (like H.B.M.C) who will buy that starter then sell off the miniatures, thus hitting sales of individual Stormcast and Kruleboyz boxes and blisters. It is almost like they actively do not want to sell the individual terrain pieces, which is obviously nonsense, but those prices push you towards that line of thought.

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The statue has an optional head with a skull instead of a face. That's nice. I didn't know that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But none'a y'all thought they'd be that fething expensive.


I beg to differ. AoS terrain has been stupidly expensive from the start and 40k stuff has been catching up in recent times. The latest release doesn't take some great gift of foresight to see coming.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd also like to address the comment that someone made about maybe wanting some of the terrain separately without needing to buy the rest.


I think you may be referring to me. Not that I disagree with most of what you said, but I stand by what I said about it being conceivable for someone who just wants one thing out of all those things in the starter set. Yes, that particular corner is very likely not ever going to be in high demand. The statue, on the other hand, is something that has far greater value on its own than a random ruin corner. All these things are priced the same but their value to the customer more likely than not varies wildly.

The simple fact is that you pay 40€ for the statue, to stay with that example, but 130€ for the starter set that includes it. If you don't want any of the other stuff and can't be bothered to sell off the rest or go to bits sellers for the the thing you want, you end up paying less than a third if you buy the single kit over the starter set. You're still overpaying, obviously, but your overall expense is far smaller and there's no additional hassle involved.

If you want two statues, you're paying 70€ for the expansion set instead of two times 40€ for the single kit. That's far closer and likely more enticing if you want to spend less and don't need more stuff. But if you are determined to get just that one thing, the single set still offers what you want for a considerably lower price.

I have to assume enough people like that exist for GW to go to the trouble of making these individual boxes. The only other purpose for them I can think of is that they're in what GW considers impulse purchase price range, possibly with the side benefit of some people buying them because they like the models but are not aware of the bundle sets that offer better value. I like to think most people follow your line of thought when comparing value. I do, too, and I said as much in my earlier post. But I don't think everyone does, even if they are fully informed of their options.

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Yeah, the mistake being made is the erroneous assumption that people buy for value instead of cost. Marketing knows they don’t and marketing exploits this to the hilt.

It doesn’t matter to the vast majority of people that they could have four of a thing for only three times the price; one of a thing is a third of the price of four and if they only planned to buy one, that’s all they want.

This is why the little jars of {common household consumable} in supermarkets sell faster than the big ones even despite the price-per-weight/volume being calculated for you and printed on the shelf tag.

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It's not just value but also hassle or practicality

The small jars might cost more per unit, but at the same time a single person or small family might actually use most of the contents; whilst a larger jar might go off before they finish it.

Or it can also be cash flow- they buy the cheaper smaller items because that fits their budget. Even if it means in the long term they are spending more money per unit of items, the short term is that they can afford what they need each week/month/whenever.


For models the models won't "go off" but if you have more than you need then you've got to put time into finding someone to buy them off you. Then you've got to sort out postage, shipping or find someone local etc... Basically for the price difference you've then got to put more "work" and time into getting rid of what you didn't need.

At times people just don't want that and the price difference isn't that huge. Sure if you're geared up to trade there's room to make profit, but like a lot of things unless you're setup and experienced at doing it regularly, then its often more hassle than its worth.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
This is why the little jars of {common household consumable} in supermarkets sell faster than the big ones even despite the price-per-weight/volume being calculated for you and printed on the shelf tag.

Or, you know, because the big jars are too big and go bad before you actually use it.

One or the other.
   
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40k models aren't groceries.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k models aren't groceries.


Yeah, but both are edible if you try hard enough.

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No they are not but the point still stands. If you want only one item of the bundle, it's more convenient to buy that one item separately than buy a large bundle and try selling the rest. I don't agree with GW pricing but I understand it.

New AoS terrain looks nice but I am going to avoid it for now and wait if there is going to be a bigger bundle that contains everything. I was impatient with Vertigus scenery and bought 40k Command Edition Battlefield Expansion. It was a good deal but the next bundle was even better and contained an exclusive piece that I still don't have.

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Very simple on "how to avoid that people only buy the terrain without starting a new Stormcast army for AoS or even play a different game with our terrain"

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If the terrain is made in China (like some of it is) then the prices may reflect the vastly increased shipping costs as well as GWs normal expensive is best attitude

 
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If the terrain is made in China (like some of it is) then the prices may reflect the vastly increased shipping costs as well as GWs normal expensive is best attitude


Wouldn't they reflect it also if the terrain is part of a bundle?
   
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And wouldn't they try to have fewer individual SKUs to cut down on shipping and inventory costs?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And wouldn't they try to have fewer individual SKUs to cut down on shipping and inventory costs?


You should stop throwing out free ideas to them. They have a poorly paid team to come up with alternatives .

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 Theophony wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And wouldn't they try to have fewer individual SKUs to cut down on shipping and inventory costs?


You should stop throwing out free ideas to them. They have a poorly paid team to come up with alternatives .


Yeah they might throw a Cease and Desist at him, like everytime someone that doesn't work for them outdoes them

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Looking through the Orruc Battletome I do love the names for the 5 Kruleboyz Warscroll Battallions:

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Jab Finga
Middul Finga
Trophy Finga
Light Finga

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Gathering the Informations.

Regarding SKUs+inventory management...

Notice that the 3 parts that are in the bundle are all Direct Only. That means they would be coming in a white mail-order box, with a bar code on the top...and since the mail-order boxes are all just sized to fit whatever comes in them? An SKU will exist but inventory management won't necessarily be extensive or expensive. Might just be that they have a tub of the sprues for each with the SKU on them and they pull them out and throw them into a MO box and slap the correct barcode on.
   
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I previously and will continue to defend the concept of offering the terrain pieces individually. They should be available that way rather than being exclusive to a bundle. Like I said at the time of the announcement GW is doing a good thing with this.

I also said at the time of the announcement, that good will be undone by the individual pricing. I don't really feel like I made a 'prediction' and got it right though, and I don't think a single person expressed an expectation for anything else. We all saw this coming.

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If it hasn't been brought up, just saw it said on FB that the Mirebrute Troggoth has head options for both the rider and the mount.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
If it hasn't been brought up, just saw it said on FB that the Mirebrute Troggoth has head options for both the rider and the mount.


Yep and the alt head looks better as it doesn't have the goofy teeth. Henry from Cult of Paint used the alt heads on his. I think the sloggoth has an alt head as well they look similar but slightly different

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Agreed that the Mirebrute looks better with both alt heads, they were what I used on mine. The main issue with the kit is even when removing the push fit pins there are some noticeable gaps on the model. You can see some on the wrists of the cult of paint fellows model, the ones along the legs of mine are especially egregious. Had to use a fair bit of Mr Putty to fill them, still love it though.

The Sloggoth also has alternative crew weapons, not sure if those are represented on the Warscroll though.

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Regarding Gutrippaz options; you might as well use the Dominion ones as reinforcements.

I'm really satisfied with these boyz. I just wonder why the leader is double wielding. In fact, no part of the rules say that you *need* skareshields.
   
 
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