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Just wondering how many people are eyeing up this new game.  I know, as a father and professional, I am really looking forward to picking some up.  I really like how the "busy work" is completed (desprue, deflash, assemble, basecoat, base colour) and all I have to do is a little highlighting to get a nice looking gaming piece.  The time savings alone will be worth the premium vs. 40k, if there is a premium, not sure yet.

Just wondering if any of the other aging gamers out there see this as a way to keep gaming without all the busywork of the 40k hobby.  I still do the occasional painting competition, but I have long realized the days of putting together an actual army from scratch are long gone.   This is the light at the end of the tunnel for me, and I like the idea of it.

Also, having Smith, Kopinski, and England do their art will keep me around...  Very cool stuff there.

engine

do you mean pre-painted miniatures? If so, yeah. For collectables they are very popular in Asia.

I can see where you are coming from. I like painting too, and I like playing. I DONT like painting the 56th beastman, and looking at the other 50 that still need work.

As I see it there are two possible surviving paths for the hobby:
Smaller model count games (Warmachine)
Prepainted models

Statments like yours are why I think this could be the next big thing for pure gaming fun.

As a store owner I often hear people say I wish I had time to paint "that" army or if I didnt have to paint another army I would play "that" game...We have gaming tables at our store and I would really like to see them booked with games being played.

My hope is games like AT-43 will get lots more people back into what they love most ,hanging out with friends and playing games. So far our core group of players and our more casuale players all have showed big interest in trying this game out cool thing about it is when you buy the starter you dont need to take it home first to paint and model you can open it right up and start having fun. Thats going to be a big deal around here.

I am really looking forward to this game. I get tired painting my Warmachine and never finished a 40K army.

The modles look cool and are painted nicely. With the rumour of 8  factions (3 by release), I think this is Rackhams answer to 40k.

I just hope there rules are up to par.

I'm going to get it, because of the time savings. Also the rules look OK.

Like a lot of us, I like painitng (well I like finishing and having my own army) but... married... child... workload... I don't have time to build and paint a lot of figures.

I don't know why it matters. There are gamers around here who have no problem with using their unpainted or even incomplete models in games. I at least assume that is the case since there is never any progress made on them.

There are two types as i see it:

If the players are "true" gamers what do they care about the fact that there is a game released that uses pre-painted minis? In other words, the people that are only interested in the game mechanics or the fluff of the game or whatever should really only care about the books available and how well the rules are written. If these people play WH40K it is because it is the game that apeals to them and they can use star wars action figures for all they care. The fact that GW actually produces their own minis shouldn't even matter.

The flip side is the "hobbyist" gamer. These guys should only care about the minis and it doesn't matter if they use GW, Rackham, or their own sculpted creations to actually play the game. They can use whatever they want in their games as long as it looks cool since the "look" is what matters to these guys.

I would consider myself more of a "hobbyist" gamer. I'll probably buy the game but I really don't care about their miniatures. I'll be using Guardsmen for Steel Troopers anyways, because I like my minis better than what they give us in the set. All I care about is the rules (which look OK from the demo released, but I'm a little worried about).

I guess i just don't see why the fact that they are releasing pre-painted minis is that big of a deal.

I dont think at-43 will be the next big thing, simply because the rules are a reguritation of the often viewed faulty confrontation.

That said, it wont stop me from at least buying the boxed set to see if it is worth a damn.

It may well be very very cool, but it takes a good product line and rules to do that.

In that respect, GW is only half way there, but they are still 50% further along than rackam.

I think this game targets a group of people who want to play games and dont want to paint another army maybe those gamers who like board games will give it a try. I dont think its going to attract you guys on this forum has much has it will attract a new crowd of gamers and a old crowd of gamers who dont have alot of time any more. The rules seem decent and playable.Im hoping it finds a nice place in the gaming community amoung those who could use this format of game in thier busy life.

I truly doubt that this is the next big thing, as stated by others, rackams rules aren't the best. Translation to english is....interesting. It could still turn out to be a solid game, and sell moderately, but I don't seeing it becoming a blockbuster.

Interest in my shops has been pretty tepid. Current 40k players aren't that interested, and current Confrontation players are leery of the non fantasy aspect.

The biggest hurdle for the game is getting enough people in each store interested, so that people know that they can get games in. You really need a bare minimum of a half dozen regular players showing up to keep a game going. A dozen to two dozen is healthy.

I am definatly the target group you describe.

I want this game to suceed like a wildfire, but find it hard to imagine until I see more models and some improvements to the rules (which arent bad IMO but lack originality) so its not something i can say "Yeah, I take my 40k models and use confrontation rules to play". Which is something I could easily do.

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'next big thing'?

Do I think it will make inroads into the market share of CMG and standard tabletop minis? Sure.

Do I think it will bring people who used to play miniatures games back in?

Do I think it will encourage kids/adults who play CMGs to take up more of the 'hobby' side of the gaming world? Quite possibly.

Do I think it will be the most successful game out there? Almost certainly not, in part because there's now so much competition (which is always a good thing).

I think the real question is: will AT-43 be more like Starship Troopers (i.e. a flash in the pan) or more like D&D minis and the clix games, which are still played enthusiastically? Or will it be more like FOW, which has become a 'gateway' game to more historicals (or a 'transition' game from GW to other genres, if you prefer)?

I am a hobbyist at heart, I think everyone who steps up to the plate of 40k has a t least one hobbyist bone in their body. If not, why go through all the money and hassle when there are plenty of other games out there that have tighter rules and cheaper peices?

With myself, and a whole generation of hobby/gamers, times change. We can no longer muse over a new unit, much less a new army. I pull up the latest Forgeworld newsletter, marvel at the Steel Legion, and then realize it will never, ever happen.

The problem is, the gamer/hobbyist doesn't just go away. I still want to be creative, hobby, game, and all that, but with a family, work, grad school, forget it. I'll be lucky to get a single Golden Demon entry completed this year, and that would be all my free time.

The prepaint doesn't do it for me. I believe this game will be big because all the busy work of minis is done! The monotonous, not creative portion of the modeling process (all stated above), is already done. This boon is huge for me. I can buy a box, repaint the face/green stuff a facemask and repaint the body armor, and have a nice looking better than tabletop quality (at least around the "gray horde" here) army in a weekend. This is value for me, and could possible keep me gaming when I thought it was pretty much over.

I don't think pre-paints are needed to save GW, but I would suggest a rule set for skirmish matches using the higly detailed squads produced by Forgeworld. If I knew I could paint a Steel Legion squad, and a small Forgeworld-made tank, and play an actual game, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase $100 worth of FW models. But the thought of about $1000 worth of Steel Legion and three years worth of painting wipes the idea from my mind.

Just food for thought.

engine

I think it will be the next big thing for an aging generation of gamers. Whether or not the kiddies will get in to it, not sure. I am not convinced Rackham is even targeting kids specifically, given Confrontation is not meant for children.

It is very hard for anyone over the age of 18-22 to seriously consider getting in to 40k. Trying to get guys (who are established gamers) at work to invest in 40k is like trying to convince them to start smoking. But AT-43? That is something I can sell to a gamer who now has kids. I think it will be big. Rackham doesn't put out crap (at least minis-wise). I believe this will be a quality game, and will get my money.

engine

Look around at Modeling, Tactics, and Armybuilding, and I think you'll see what
captured many gamers' interests in 40k. The armies are their own. The cusotmizability
of 40k's lists, models, and backstory (to a certain extent) gave gamers a sense
of ownership and so the "busywork" part of the hobby is not really a factor for them.

Warmachine was the big thing for me because of the "paint if you like to" attitude and
approach of the game. You don't have to buy multiples of anything, and you can get
by with models half assembled even in the tournament environment. The problem is
that there might be less ownership of the brand, but the brand is very very good at
getting people attached to factions or warcasters with their background.

AT-43 is interesting to me, but really I spend more time painting than playing, so
prepainted isn't an issue for me.

RAckham stuff is always good, the mini I meen as I have not tried to play it yet, To busy to switch over to a new game system, instead I devolved and have taken up building model planes intstead and playing with my own rules with them, simple the one I am in wins. Just like when you were a child.

My games often involved tragic, emo death.

But it was always a moral victory, so I'm with ya' Beef.

I always lose the moral high ground roll when playing with myself...

I am guaranteed a win when I play by myself (behave yourselves)