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Stelek wrote:Being more in the know than apparently most of you are...

That sounds a little arrogant.

The whole Jervis Jr. thing is indeed pretty overblown.

Jervis Sr. made decisions based on a 1 man, 1 kid market survey.

This is what you should NOT ever do. I've told him as much.

No, Jervis used his kid as an example of how GW might have become too insular. It was a single example, put into a magazine designed for the casula reader. You've decided that means there is no other market research out there. That is isn't at all possible that Jervis' kid might have been a catalyst for extensive market research, or that two years of market analysis built a new business plan, that Jervis decided to articulate through an apocryphal story about his kid. In short, you're making stuff up to support your pre-determined opinion. (Jervis is bad m'kay).

Last time ANYONE at GW HQ UK listened to my dumb ass?

Yeah, let's say...not this century?

Please list the reasons you should be listened to GW.

If the reasons don't extend beyond 'I've played GW games for a long time', 'I talk to people who have played GW games for a long time' and 'I'm smart', then please stop. You're wasting your time and energy.

I'm no genius, I'm not a pro game designer, but I am one damn smart cookie and I know in my heart the way 40K is going (stupid world) isn't good for the hobby.

I see.

If you really think making the game easier to understand will KEEP those young kids, well, I can tell you from first hand experience that the 'kids' that I've watched grow up in my local shop weren't drawn in by the 'easy' rules--they were drawn in by gamers playing with neat toys. They've been driven away by these new rules.

The changes in the rules haven't been to make the game simpler and bring in the kids. That's an assumption people have made. The new rules were introduced to make a better game, one built around mobility and objective oriented play, around games won on the field, not in army selection. It hasn't worked entirely, but its a marked improvement over 3rd ed's stand and shoot and see who cheesed out their list best gameplay.

The new rules aren't 'easy', they might seem 'easy' but actually are stupid as any ever written by GW. Don't believe me? Here's some precious quotes from today's youth:

Wait, I need 10 guys to carry a lascannon not 5? why? because old rules were broken? how would I know that? what a f***ing stupid game!

Your point here is largely incoherent. You're basically listing vaguely related personal anecdotes to argue against a policy decision that doesn't exist. At this point it's basically the textbook definition of disappearing down the rabbit hole.

From reading this thread the conclusion seems to be that Jervis' kid is just another target for nasty stupid people that don't think before they press "Submit".

Sebster: Last time you talked to any member of the design team via any medium was when exactly?

<Insert Answer Here Unless Answer is Never>

Are we still talking about Jervis' Kid?

Nah, we've moved on to the history of Battletech, some FOW stuff and general bitching.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

1850pts is just popular in America.

The game has been quoted as being designed around 1500pts. Hence why the official UKGT is 1500pts.

This amongst other things, makes me believe your talking through your arse.

Ozymandias wrote:Nah, we've moved on to the history of Battletech, some FOW stuff and general bitching.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

History of Battletech seemed more interesting, sorry. Honestly I think the thread has served it's original purpose.

Shadow Scorpion wrote:1850pts is just popular in America.

The game has been quoted as being designed around 1500pts. Hence why the official UKGT is 1500pts.

This amongst other things, makes me believe your talking through your arse.

I know in the part of Canada I live 1700 points is the standard, and I had previously assumed it still was. How much does it vary around the world?

Shadow Scorpion wrote:1850pts is just popular in America.

The game has been quoted as being designed around 1500pts. Hence why the official UKGT is 1500pts.

This amongst other things, makes me believe your talking through your arse.

:stares:

So there's even less troops on the field, making it even less of a company. Bang up job there mate, really put that argument in its place.

Stelek wrote:Sebster: Last time you talked to any member of the design team via any medium was when exactly?

<Insert Answer Here Unless Answer is Never>

So you're just going to try and claim authority? Not even try to defend your claims?

So there's even less troops on the field, making it even less of a company. Bang up job there mate, really put that argument in its place.

It's great that I never mentioned or supported that argument in the first place, it's always best to check the thread before making an ass of yourself.

I think it's about time to lock this thread as it has gone waaaay OT.